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Perhaps at 25, when he liked the 17 y.o's, he didn't think this was so abnormal to like someone 8 years younger. Hopefully when he reaches 60, and he still lusts for 20 y.o's. (one-third his age), he won't freak out but will accept it as normal.

If a place would exist to make complaints, this one would be very valid one: We preserve the use of our senses throughout most of our lives. We preserve a clear mind throughout most of our lives. But the period of peak sexual attraction is amazingly short. Between 16 and 20, maybe 25, in a life that can last over 80 years. Maybe the biggest victims of this reality are women. Women in their 30s face a tremendous competition from teenagers and young adults and if they want to have children they must race against time before they are too old for that. And women may be the most scandalized about men desiring the young chicks. This is easy to understand. One cannot blame them. But they distort the reality of sexual attraction in men. It is not so bad for us gay men, we may become "uncles" at 40. And from there on it takes much effort, not so much to become attractive, but to keep from becoming absolutely unattractive. But fortunately, young boys can find a good market for their attractiveness in many places.

Good for you! There are far superior pecs than those posted. They are called women's boobs. If you find a 100 kg woman who is nursing three babies you could become a fourth one.

If you like to consult any kind of therapist, and you mention to him that you have "ephebophilia", you will see that his eyes light up immediately. What a gold mine can be a patient with ephebophilia! This can deserve a treatment of five years at least. And what an opportunity to do research and dig into the subject. It's hard to imagine a subject that can turn on a therapist more than sex with teenagers. If you personally don't understand why you are attracted to teenagers, you can bet that a therapist does not know this either. Like therapists don't know why we are gay, yet they have devised "reeducation" therapies. You may have a problem only if you think that your attraction is something sick. Otherwise, if you can handle it in smart and discrete ways, you can live with it perfectly well. I have an attraction to chocolate ice cream that could be a source of concern. Why I crave it so much instead of craving vegetables? Should I consult a doctor to see if there is a name for my pathology? No. Instead when I pig out on it I look for ways to make up for that.

Congratulations! You are a good role model. I know I wrote earlier that "I'm not a fool to do such thing" but my situation is different than yours. If I were not attached in a kind of relationship and I were twenty years younger I would maybe look into an arrangement like that too. Looks are important, but character should have priority. Someone of good nature, generous, accommodating, thankful. Mature enough to be beyond all the nonsense of "fidelity", a person who can feel satisfaction if I have a good time with someone else, and who I can feel satisfaction when he has a good time with someone else. Additional qualities could be to feel attraction for men older than him, to have a disposition to care for a person he loves, free of a demanding family that sticks its nose in his life, etc. I may be overly ambitions with my list, wanting to get the advantages of being single and married at the same time, having my cake and eat it too,... but the market of potential candidates could be quite large, the risks could be large, so why not expect adequate gains? It may take quite a bit of work to select among the candidates, but this could be quite pleasurable Maybe for my next life...

Israel is a Middle Eastern country that is geographically located on the western edge of the Asian continent. The term "Asian" does not usually refer to Israelis. But regardless, you cannot get legally married same-sex in Israel. Neither can you get legally married same-sex in Vietnam. We gays cannot legally get married anywhere in Asia at this time. But hopefully this won't last long. Thanks to the US Supreme Court, I can now go to Asia and pick out a gorgeous young Asian boy, be it a Thai, a Chinese, a Japanese, a Korean... yumm! yummm!... bring him with me to the US, and marry him here, and in due time he will become a US citizen. But I am not a fool to do such thing. Sex is not everything. I already have a friend who stole my heart. Yet there must be people doing this today, or thinking about doing it tomorrow.

It appears to be so, but in a limited way. Many Muslims are forced to follow their religion. Organized religions influence secular laws to make everyone, believer or not, be subjected to their dictates. This is the case in my country, where LGBTs have been and are still fighting for our rights. Even in Thailand you cannot marry your gay lover, as you cannot anywhere in Asia at this time. Buddhism is a very good philosophy, and as an agnostic I give it the highest marks. Still the organized religion of Buddhism has been affected by sanctimoniousness and endless rules. I find it positive to stay alert and raise objections to abuses by religions, even being as insignificant as I am, and even if some religious people get all upset over it. We Americans believe in freedom of speech, even if we are hated for that...

From what you wrote about yourself you may be a perfectly normal person. To be attracted to Asian males is not uncommon for us gays. My theory is that in the continuum between gay and straight we are at some point where we feel attraction to some feminine traits in males, like the slim hairless smooth bodies you describe. I personally don't care for big muscles, facial hair, tough attitude or any other "masculine" traits in a man I am attracted to. "Ephebophilia" sounds like an effort to give name to things, maybe to define problems that don't exist. Although there are gays who are attracted to older men (something I don't understand but don't need to understand), I believe that it is more common that we like teenagers. Both gay and straight we are sexually attracted to teenagers maybe because nature has selected this time in life as the prime time for reproduction, who knows! I don't see in this anything to worry about. Now approaching middle age, I have the experience that the preferred age also increases with the years, so that when you are twice your age now you may have the strongest attraction to men in their 20s. About not being happier or more content after 10 years of living out your fantasies, who says that you should be? If lack of desired sex can cause unhappiness, the happiness from sex is short lived. It's like the happiness from one cigarette, or the one from one drink. Some say sex can be an addiction. If so, it is one of the best because it is self-limiting. Maybe you need other sources of happiness...

I am getting ready to put this issue to rest, even if it is worth discussion, because this is not the place for it. But before this, I let you see that you have been short on understanding from the start. And here my example of the Catholic church helps, it is perfectly on topic. The church makes good money with weddings. This would not be bad, the priests need to eat, if it were not for the compulsion behind it. If you are a Catholic, you are not married unless you marry by the church, following all their impositions. And you won't be able to marry the person you love, because same-sex marriage is a "sin" in their doctrine. So the organized religion has taken a power that was never given by its founder, Jesus Christ. They are the party responsible for making people believe that they need to obey them in order to be married. And here you see my parallel to the "pre-ordination party". All I wrote earlier is my opinion that organized Buddhism should not need to make a business out of the initiation of monks. And you surely read the post where a poor family spent 8,000 dollars saved over 15 years to throw your "pre-ordination party" with an expectation of reaching nirvana. IMAGINE what that family could have done for their son with 8,000 dollars!! They could give him a trade, a business, a way to make a good living all his life. Who is the party responsible for making these modest people believe that the blown up $8,000 will benefit the boy, and will bring someone closer to nirvana? This is surely not what the Buddha taught!

Song: “Who is Silvia? what is she” Related Poem Content Details BY WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE (from Two Gentlemen of Verona) Who is Silvia? what is she, That all our swains commend her? Holy, fair, and wise is she; The heaven such grace did lend her, That she might admirèd be. Is she kind as she is fair? For beauty lives with kindness. Love doth to her eyes repair, To help him of his blindness; And, being helped, inhabits there. Then to Silvia let us sing, That Silvia is excelling; She excels each mortal thing Upon the dull earth dwelling; To her let us garlands bring -.- Thank you Bob. You describe also male "Silvias" we have the fortune to find...

I would like my critic "Bob" to read Jasper's post and evaluate it from his high horse of Buddhism. Where will you find in the teachings of Gutama Buddha any exhortation that a poor family saves money for 15 years so that they can pay a ceremony of 8,000 USD so that their son becomes briefly a monk, with expectations that he will be in nirvana after life? I suspect that Gutama Buddha would turn around in his grave reading this. He would just do this, since he seem to have been more peaceful than Jesus Christ, who got angry and chased the merchants out of the Jewish temple with a whip.

I stand by my comment. I don't criticize Buddhism nor the Thai traditions. A religion is more than its practitioners. If as you say the monasteries don't make money out of initiating monks, I'm glad to hear this. I was raised a Catholic, and I dislike the way this church profits from the business of marrying people, for example. I know more about Buddhism that you seem to be willing to recognize. And so I am perfectly justified in my criticism about thousands of dollars changing hands for a person to find spiritual growth in a monastery or temple. And I question how much growth you can achieve in one week, even one month. This is the extent of my criticism, and you have blown it out of proportion. You are not the OP, and I wonder what makes you a judge of what I should post here.

Are you saying that if I let my grandmother compete as a bodybuilder and right after the competition I fill her with water, the veins on her skin will disappear and she will be much nicer to caress? Thanks for the tip, it may be worth trying it out. But she would be around 120 years old now, and... I have missed the opportunity.

I second your commemoration of the passing away of Shakespeare. What an amazing person! His prose will surely last as long as our civilization. And his legacy is not only his perfect dramas and other works, but all the subsequent art that was based on them. He inspired fantastic music with his "Midsummernights Dream", his "Romeo and Juliet", "Silvia" of Gentlemen of Verona, etc.

The Western traditions are not so different. We have Mormons here who send their young out to proselytize for a year, something not so different from going to a monastery. And there is mysticism and spirituality here too. People go to retreats, if they can afford them. But you are right about my cynicism, which has to do with the 3000 dollars (or the 9,000 dollars of the total 300,000 bahts) One should question the seriousness of monasteries who accept people becoming "monks" for such a short time. If each one has to bring a certain amount of money, here we have a BUSINESS. Mysticism should not be tied to any currency. I don't think that Buddhism needs to make a business out of initiating monks.

Right, there is no way we can win at this. While Thais can get away with our shoes, which will be bigger than their feet, it is much harder for us to walk away with their shoes, which will be too small for us.

I am sorry to have been so impolite to the guy you like. I would like to understand how it feels to touch his body. I also like some flesh under the skin, to feel some muscles under the incredibly smooth and hairless skin of an Asian boy... yummm... I also like to be the strong one who can move that smooth Asian body around. To do this with your guy, I would have to be Mr. Universe to control Mr. Thailand, and I'm not willing to put in the effort to get so strong.

100,000 baht is about US$ 3,000. How can a Thai guy ask another person, a friend, family, whoever, to contribute this amount of money so that he can live the life of a monk? Is there a fundamental reason of medical or spiritual health for a person to be a monk? Aren't there less expensive ways to become a monk? What is the return on investment of these 3000 dollars in benefits to society? (not to mention benefit to he who contributes it)? Why doesn't this Thai guy get a job and make an honest living? There is a difference between investing for the BF to become a monk and investing in his education. The latter I understand, the former I don't. What a pity to see how distorted the mind of these Thai boyfriends can become when they think that they can exploit their farangs like that! That poor boy needs his mind be corrected by receiving a proper NO answer to his request. Maybe this is better than kicking his ass out the door, it gives him a chance to reconsider and mature.

You are a very interesting, contributing nobody.

For my own, he is hardly an example of a human being. Reminds me a rotisserie chicken, he has about the right color for that. I have to chuckle thinking what Alizizou would do with all that flesh. It is full of veins and tendons, maybe the consistency of a very old animal. Maybe it feels like caressing one's grandmother? Makes me think... do I need to see this disfigured man when I come to this site? I love the pictures in the thread "Some Model Photoshots" But then I'm just another member, and I respect the choices of others. To each his own

Before you rest your "case", please don't blame any folks here. Instead blame your attitude of a bully who does not scare anyone. If you want a piece of free advice, your avatar does not do anything good for you. Instead of the image of a nice boy, or something likewise attractive, you have some kind of ugly monkey or who-knows-what creature. The funny thing is that this image... fits you! This is not something positive. Who is afraid by a rubber monster?

LOL! You confirm so well my first impression of you. This happened a while ago, in a discussion about criticizing pictures of hunks. Then you blasted that you don't care about this, don't care about that. Now your post has another "I don't care". You must be... careless! And you are so quick to feel "insulted and put down"... not only you, but your board... How can I put down your board if I have never looked at it? This was my curiosity: is there something worth looking at there? If there is, and the interesting part has more weight than the negatives of your sour character, then I would give it a look. But I'm not sure.

Is not a matter of care but curiosity. If a guy starts a thread just to announce a problem with his forum one would assume that he thinks his forum has something important to offer. So is there something? Do you know?

Before I pay any attention to the problems with Gaybutton's forum, I would like to know why should I be interested in seeing Gaybutton's forum.

Thanks for the warning. It always crosses my mind having my shoes stolen when I visit a temple. And here I came to the easy solution: take them in with me.