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I traveled alone - but I was one of many passengers on the speedboat. I stopped bringing my Thai friends to Koh Larn because all they do is hide in the shade underneath the trees, sleep, and complain it is too hot. They don't join me to play and swim in the clean sea water because they do not want to get brown or tanned. So, I go alone and save my money and I truly enjoy myself.

I went to Koh Larn island yesterday, Sunday 15 September 2024. I took speedboat from the Bali Hai pier - 150 baht each way and 20 to 25 minute ride. I prefer the western side of the island (beaches are better) so I use the AM (green) speedboat service to Tawan beach and then I rent a motorbike for 300 or 400 baht and I drive across the hill over to my FAVORITE beach = Tien beach. See my 2022 trip report to Koh Larn for more granular details.

I have this app on my mobile phone and it is VERY useful. I lost my motorbike driving license on nearby Koh Larn 6 months prior and I was able to use the digital facsimile on the app whenever I was stopped for a control.

@macaroni21 I agree with what you wrote 200%. There are already 2 websites, with social media attached to them, and unfortunately, in my opinion, they receive a small amount of views, due to poor marketing - I am not aware of any GLOBAL outreach to the greater community - like you mentioned (France, Korea, etc.). The 2 websites that I am aware of are: https://www.gaysupertown.com/home https://jomtiencomplex.com/ In my humble opinion, they should: 1.) Unite the marketing and advertising with Boyztown, Jomtien Supertown Complex, and Sunee Plaza, 2.) Market to those gays who are thinking about places to retire - and make Pattaya - Jomtien a known global retirement destination (HUB), like the Canary Islands, Key West, Mykonos, Palm Springs, Ibiza - Sitges are, 3.) Same as the above number 2, but with an emphasis on Pattaya - Jomtien as a gay vacation tourist destination --> especially in light of 2 recent Thailand government initiatives: - legalization of gay marriage, - government's desire to host the 2030 World Gay Pride event. There are so many positive things that could be done - because the current 2 local websites are only local in nature and are inward focused, instead of being outward focused with a global emphasis.

I will spare the members the boredom about what is my 4-4-4 plan. @jason1975 here is a link where I wrote about it.

recon.com might reveal some that are into it....? Thanks Rob. I was not aware of this app or site. I will try it, but it may be more hardcore than what I am looking for.

haha @vinapu - after living here now for 2 full years - the number of people that know what 'edging' is - nill / null. I wish that I could do as you say, "Just look around and take your pick". It is not possible as edging is not an activity in the Thai vernacular. Ironically, in my Twitter (X) research to implement my 4-4-4 plan for next year 2025 - I see that in The Philippines there is a HUGE awareness for edging - but in Thailand and Vietnam there is almost no awareness.

Each bar, restaurant, massage shop, hotel in the Jomtien Complex pays their rent/lease to the Jomtien Complex office. These funds are used to enhance and maintain the appearance of the Supertown Complex - of which these new marquee signs are part of. Just yesterday, a bar owner told me that the small massage shop in front of his bar was paying 40.000 baht monthly as their rent to the Jomtien Complex office. So, if you look at the below official Supertown Jomtien Complex map - you can see that there are in excess of 50 business entities inside of the Complex. Let us say that the average rental fee is 20.000 baht * 50 entities = 1.000.000 baht per month - as a conservative income for the Jomtien Complex leasing office. It is most likely higher - so they can definitely afford to pay for 2 new large marquees to adorn the complex. Tonight I was joking with many of the various business owners where the new marquee displays a sexy muscle man. I asked them where are these muscle guys in the complex? They all laughed and said to me only young twinks here. One astute business owner said to me look at the color of the hair of the sexy muscle guy - it is not natural - what Thai guy has blond hair?

Breaking news - as of 3:45pm on 14 Sep 2024 Looks like a brand spanking new marquee is going up for the Supertown Jomtien Walking Street (Jomtien Complex). I will be in the complex later tonight to see if they managed to get it hoisted and plugged in and illuminated. Note the nice sexy muscle guy on the top right portion of the marquee. If only it was true that you could find muscle hunks in the Supertown complex - instead it is twink heaven. So, it seems that big investments are being made for the forthcoming next HIGH season = Yahoo!!!

Thanks @macaroni21 for posting your thorough and very informative response. I agree with your findings that most of us end up practicing SIDE activities more often than we expect. However, for me, the invention of the new SIDE category, back in 2013, was a liberating blessing for me. I never fully identified with TOP - as it implied that I needed to penetrate BOTTOMs - and I never truly enjoyed anal sex with penetration. The new SIDE category, relieved me of that stress of having to identify as a TOP (with what that would falsely imply to the bottoms of the world - that I would desire to TOP them) which allowed me to gain a new "out of the TOP closet" freedom. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/20/rise-of-the-sides-how-grindr-finally-recognized-gay-men-who-arent-tops-or-bottoms The term side was coined in 2013 by the sex therapist and author Dr Joe Kort, but only in the last year has it gained glimmers of acknowledgment in the wider gay world. Eighteen months ago, Dr Kort made a private Facebook group page called Side Guys to give the men a forum for acceptance and, perhaps, to start a movement. “I wanted to create a community,” he said. “I wanted to help people get rid of the loneliness and the shame.” Back in 2014 after Dr Joe Kort invented the new sexual activity category = SIDE - I started petitioning PlanetRomeo to add this as a new category - when identifying your sexual activity preference in your Romeo profile. It was an uphill battle, as I found an insensitivity amongst the gatekeepers who did not want to further fragment the 3 traditional categories of: TOP, BOTTOM, VERSITILE. As I was an activist in my mid-to-late 20s (late 1980s) when I lived in NYC, I remember protesting in the streets of New York for Gay Rights, AIDS funding, Access to proper AIDS medicines, etc. - Then in 2014, I felt like I had to start all over again within the gay community for the right to identify as a SIDE and to have the ability via the database search function to be able to find other like minded SIDEs within the various apps. Nowadays, Hornet, Grindr, Romeo now have the new SIDE category in their apps. Unfortunately, HeeSay (formerly BLUED) has still not yet added it. @macaroni21 from my understanding of the new SIDE definition, it would include those whose primary interest is blowjobs. In fact, there is now a new app for people in this category, known as TheBlowers - Twitter (X) - @TheBlowers Web - https://www.theblowers.com Where within the app you can identify as: a TOP (Blowie) - wanting to get a blowjob, a BOTTOM (Blower) - wanting to give a blowjob, BOTH - into both above stated blowjob activities An appeal to all of you - if you know of any other SIDE apps - that specialize in EDGING I would be greatly indebted - as it is very difficult to find other edgers to play with.

I am also a side. You have an excellent success rate at picking guys who fuck each other during your 4 hands massage. I want to try it but I don't know how to broach the topic with the massage guys. Wow Jason. I thank you for outing yourself as a SIDE. It is nice to know that we are not alone and that we do not need to force ourselves into the former labels of; TOP or BOTTOM. Regarding my success, it was based on luck. Why? Because I would request 's' or 'ss' activities where the guys agreed to that type of program (they would often tell me that it is easier money for them than 'h' activities) --> but during the session, the 2 guys would sometimes get into the hottness of each other, and would ask to move into 'h' activities. I never requested 'h' activities - they would evolve on their own based on the desires of the 2 guys. Sometimes they would ask me to be a participating member, as to be a bottom, but I would decline (too much pain for me) and on rare occassions I would be a top for a little bit - but I can never reach on orgasm that way, so, I always revert back to my SIDE edging preferences. But, it is all fun and nice to sometimes be fluid and just go with the flow....

hahaha - when I lived and worked in NYC - public transport was the number one way to get around easily and to get to the office for work. When I moved to Denver, Colorado - then your statement is true - as I found that many of the locals found using public transport as a lower class kind of thing and that for their social class status it was more important to use their car and/or SUV. Also, the Denver public transport pales to what is on offer in NYC.

Hi @speedoo1 I agree with what you wrote EXCEPT for in one situation - where I felt compelled to reach out to the local guys in ADVANCE of my arrival due to logistical and safety reasons. I was venturing to an unknown part of southern Thailand - the area that touches Malaysia and includes the 3 southern Thailand provinces where there is an ongoing insurgency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency So, I wanted to know that when I landed on the ground that there would be someone waiting for me at the airport to take me around for my 17 day tour - with whom I could feel safe with, have a level of trust (as I found the 2 guys that I employed many months in advance via Twitter and Hornet - forget about Grindr for these types of trusted encounters - as guys on Grindr are only interested in instantaneous transactional immediate meetings), and were native locals to this area of Thailand. I had a loose itinerary where there was only 1 MUST requirement - which was for me to be photographed on the iconic mermaid statue of Songkhla - kissing her at midnight during the New Year's Eve countdown - as the motivation for this deep southern Thailand trip was to say goodbye to the person that I lost my heart to - as he ALWAYS talked about this mermaid to me during our time together. My 2 "tour guides" that I found in advance - were well paid and helped me on my recovery of healing my heart and to see a VERY interesting part of Thailand (Muslim and Buddhist) area and to better understand the ongoing struggle of the insurgency. Truly educational and fascinating. By the way, one "tour guide" was intentionally Muslim and the other was Buddhist - so that I could obtain the 2 distinct perspectives of life in Southern Thailand.

I still have not yet had the privilege to go up to the top of Mahanakhon - so, I may chase you the next time I join you in BKK to take me up there - I will insist to buy your ticket - as maybe you are already starting to get bored by taking all of us forum members up there ? 🤔 That was very touching - thanks for sharing it with all of us. Perhaps a section of his new home will be dedicated to KFC? perhaps the foundation of the house (building blocks) ? maybe one day you will find yourself visiting his home? Two of my Dongtan beach volleyball friends were VERY proud to show off the homes that they had built back in their home towns (Sukhothai and Phitsanulock) - where the one in the suburbs of Sukhothai was palatial and the one in Phisanulock was modest and is where I slept. As you Vinapu, it made me feel good that our guys did not squander their money and in fact did prepare for their respective futures - as well as to take care of their families. Pattaya is SO full of what I like to call, "Thai economic refugees", where they are only in Pattaya temporarily - usually in their young years - to extract as much money as is possible from us - so that these monetary funds can be sent back to their home villages for their families and for that dreadful day when they realize that they are no longer marketable to the tourists of Pattaya - as in expired milk. @vinapu my sense of it is that BKK is also a part of this economic refugee phenomena. Would you agree?

What Vinapu wrote about the cost is VERY true. The only way to mitigate this to get more "bang for the buck" is to make sure that both of the guys that you want to make the 4 hands with are: into each other, agree on the program menu (s = soft like reciprocal handjobs, ss = everything outside of the anal sphincter, h = hard - includes anal sex - but need to identify who would do who - i.e., who would agree to be a bottom). If you can get the above details worked out before the performance begins then the additional cost can be worth it. If any of the above details go out of whack - then the value for money will deteriorate. see my list above Furthermore, I found the BIGGEST issue about 4 hands, 6 hands, or 8 hands - is whether the guys will kiss. I found that the guys are more willing to do the above mentioned 's' and 'ss' activities MORE than kissing. It seems that kissing is one step too much - perhaps too intimate ?? For the 'h' category - I noticed that kissing tends to be more included - I guess this may be relevant to the intimacy required for a "good fuck"?? I am not sure - as I am not a big consumer of 'h' activities - as I tend to prefer 's' and 'ss' activities, as they are more aligned with SIDE activities like sensual edging - which I am a big consumer of. Lastly, as a SIDE, where we are a minority within the greater sexual community - I note that many times when I order up a 4 hands massage - that sometimes the 2 guys are really into each other and they ask me if they can fuck - and I almost always say yes - as it is a turn on for me to watch 2 guys get intimate with each other within my vicinity - however, after they finish their fucking activities I request that we still conclude with them edging me to a hot climax - as I like my orgasm to always be last - as the sounds, sights, and orgasms of the others is a real turn on for me. @macaroni21 --> would you mind to jump in regarding these questions? I willingly refer to you, because I notice that you have an innate way of seeing things from a better and deeper statistical point of view than I do.

I like your approach and preciseness. What is your methodology for guys who cannot resist 35 strokes and ejaculate prematurely (EP) ? Or are you an "edging master" and would know how to avoid an EP situation, so that the over sensitive guy can receive a fair price for his haircut? 🤪 😝

They were in jeans and t-shirts Guys who were typical of an automobile mechanics shop.

I love this comment. My security team here in the View Talay where I live must think the same thing - especially when I sheepishly asked for their help to scare a stalker away. you have me in full stitches of laughter!!! I love reading your reports... should have taken both - as your trip was coming to an end and you had the 6,500 baht surplus..... anyway - the lure and lust of #31 will keep you cumming back to Thailand - which will make many people happy :>))

Or handjob. When I used to go there, 3 or 4 guys would quickly approach you to wank their stiff manly cocks. The problem was that I only had 2 free hands. After the first 2 shot their loads another 3 to 4 guys would approach you. After an hour in that place your arms were ready to fall off. It was definitely a unique --> one of a kind place and so much better than your typical boring Supertown bar -- where the mantra is: Farang sit and farang drink

On a scale of 1 to 10 - he is a 7 For me, his face, manly voice, sense of humor, and ability to speak very well in English are attractive. However, he dresses with somewhat frumpy clothes - so I cannot understand if there is a sexy body underneath his clothing.

@vinapu can you help me out with the answer to @ichigo question ? It was my first time upstairs at Jupiter so I do not know if the upstairs seating is always available.

@reader thanks for sharing this article. I went to my favorite barber here in Jomtien and I shared with him the in-Thai-language version of this article: https://thethaiger.com/th/news/1232916/ and we had a great laugh together. He told me that he would like to be the one to confirm the penis sizes in the back of the shop in order to present the "fair" price for the haircut....

This is an understatement - and I have a witness - the other forum member who was with us - as we both watched Vinapu get greeted in an amazing diplomatic politician kind of way - it was impressive to watch - as if to be with a rock star with his fans.... and I witnessed that amazingly fast transaction while you were in the loo..... It reminded me when my Thai friends brought me to pay merit at the Temple where there were many fish - the minute that you threw the Temple purchased fish food into the lake water there was a feeding frenzy - and that is what happened when you were in the loo....as I guess that Banana bar customer was eying your #31 ever so intensely.... I found this Jupiter seating arrangement interesting - as I had always sat down on the main level - and as you mentioned the guys rarely smile when doing their walk - you get that cold non-human feeling. Meanwhile, upstairs, we were able to see the guys banter, laugh, smile, joke with each other on the upper level - it was kind of surreal: upstairs = normal and fun, and also in certain corners there were clients enjoying their to-be offed guys - I remember the one behind me - who was hesitating to go downstairs for his catwalk - as he was embraced in the arms of his client that the main manager had to come over to remind him "that the show must go on..." downstairs = formal and serious For the next Jupiter visit I think that I would prefer the upstairs seating - as I enjoyed the more human feeling of that level Vinapu - you and I - were having simultaneous disasters at the same time within the walls of the Raya - only separated away from each other by 2 floors. My offed Hotmale guy falling asleep immediately in my bed with NO action and a limp dick due to him sleeping - no matter what I did and your guy leaving you after only 1 hour. @vinapu - had I known what was happening in your room - I would have said to you - ok Vinapu - you sleep in my bed with my sexy Burmese dead corpse and I sleep in your empty bed. I would have had a good night sleep (as I prefer to sleep alone) - as I only slept about 2 hours and you would have gotten that sexy warm body to cuddle with.....

It would be my pleasure to meet you and offer you a beer 🤩 Yes please. I used his name "Neung" in several Google and Twitter searches - but I was not able to locate him. Many thanks for your help 😘

Wow --> this is BREAKING news 🎉 🎊