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As it happened to me at least 4 times over the years it's quite possible others had this dilemma to solve as well. You picked up boy and when both of you arrive in your room and getting ready you noticed that owing to dim lights at bar, too rosy glasses , one glass of beer to much or just fact that boy was half dressed on stage you overlooked something or did not have a chance to see it. Boy is not dud, is able, willing and getting hard , clean and smelling nicely but you know that encounter is spoiled already. Oddly shaped or deformed by botched silicone injection dick, ugly scar or warts hidden under briefs, hidden tattoo you hate, too much body hair or clean shaved pubes or whatever your turn-off is. Whatever it is, you hate it , your lust is melting, dick is shrinking and now what you do? -send boy away with or without explanation ? with full tip you'd pay or reduced one? or - pretend you don't see it , grab Cialis to go ahead gnashing tees in meantime and may be reduce his tip on departure, again with or without explanation or -keep boy but reduce / change your planned activities to whatever you can stand / or rather you can't stand/ converting your night of passion to some light body contact in completely darkened room or - it never happened so you are telling me I'm too hasty picking up companions or simply had bad luck / 2 times ugly silicone deformed dicks, 2 times shaved pubes / neglecting "check the wares" part before off. Red recently some old post about the same kind of problem and contributor proudly announced that sent boy away with token tip what I considered cruel treatment so looking for other opinions. I usually go long time .In all my cases being soft hearted I converted planned hot nights to quiet sleep-overs. Should I consider myself pervert for sleeping whole night next to naked guy without toughing his equipment even once ?

After reading about knives and machete in Christian's post I abandoned any desire to inspect Saronom Park at night , I'd rather pay extortionate off fees and drinks at Soi Twilight. Still tempted to see area during day, one never knows what may happen. Used street trade from Rama IV and Suriwong few times in the past but only for body contact and mutual wank only and took them to short time rooms at Suriwongse, somehow didn't feel like inviting them to my hotel room. My preference are massage boys , then go-go. MB only if I need some adrenaline boost.

owing to illness I was stuck at home for a few days and entertained myself by reading old posts on various forums. .It 's amazing that not much changed,7-8 years ago contributors were complaining about the same things we are nowadays- boring shows , expensive drinks and offs, puschy mamasans and loud music in Soi Twilight bars, handsome but lazy in bed boys from Jupiter, empty bars in Soi 6 wondering how they survive and longing for all good days few years ago. But interesting reads anyway

Not just you, rest assured. Or slightly lowered briefs with just a tiny bit of bushes visible - beats all of those big ****k shows in my book anytime

There are lots of people in the West who are driving cars, living in homes and hiring prostitutes they can't afford so I wouldn't blame Thai logic entirely,

and somehow pays for his mobile

and this is what makes bar hopping such a pleasant experience, even if we don't score just hunting makes it worth. And is nothing wrong in being picky, after all we are looking for somebody we spent very intimate moments or hours with so we should give a chance to ourselves and to the boy to make right move.

I only hope they still be there in November, this is very good news indeed, 'cute boyish muscular and extremely friendly' ,I can't ask for more.

fountainhall you are right, perspective of expats and repeat, multiple time visitors is different for those who are coming for first od second time. First group finds go-go bars boring, formula outdated and annoying mamasans not worth dealing with. And this will not change as novelty value for old timers is long gone. They are either not that interested in anymore or knowing their way around the problems with bars. IMHO if go-go are to survive onslaught of internet hook-ups and increasing competition from massage places they need to deliver whatever newcomers are coming for- stable of attractive young men on the stage , Newcomers did not discover yet that shows are boring -this comes with multiple visits. While internet is formidable threat to bar's business they will survive as there are plenty of people who prefer direct interaction with other warm bodies on the offer right away and are looking for time off not only from work ,suits, home etc on their vacations but also from their computer screens. And there always will be attractive boys fresh from the bus who do not have means and knowledge to organize their offer on internet sites

What do you mean no cute boy in the bus ? what about you?

There are some rumors that some less beefy but still well built boys appeared recently at Tawan , hope somebody will volunteer to inspect bar and place report. Recent post on CFS forum says that drinks at Dreamboys are 380 and off fee 600. This means outlay of 1000 before one even toughs boy's d***k . But you may be right-owner knows his clients and is cashing in. But this is very unwelcome move and hope it will not work. I'd rather spend money on the boy than bar. Low number of boys is not necessary a bad thing as long as one can find somebody attractive. When I peeked inside last time out of 4 boys at Nature , one was definitely offable at least by me. So there's hope. Too much choice is creating confusion as of whom to pick

Market economy at works I guess. May be there is grain of truth in circulated wisdom about stingy Pattaya expats. As long as bars are full this is good news. If we love Asian boys why Asians shouldn't ? When I red your Jupiter statement I recalled that during my last time there only handful farangs were in audience for a show so you must be right

Now I'm scared Christian, I 'm planning to start my sightseeing with Tawan and Dreamboys when I'll be in Bangkok in November , never been to Tawan and Dreamboys is one not visited for longest time. As sworn butterfly I rotate bars in order. Hope I will not show any attitude when there. As for Jupiter I still think is best bar for show & eye candy and mamasans are not pushy at all but understand what you say as I was not happy with my last ' business ' meeting with boy from that bar. But may be it was lack of chemistry. Will visit them when their turn comes, not any time soon as this was my last bar visited on the last trip so landed at end of line anyways .

We all say ' never again ' but sooner or later we are back in THE SOI watching shows and passing traffic as there's no place like that anywhere

Good for you. Staying in company of permanently unhappy people sooner or later becomes contagious disease and one becomes the same. I'd call him once a year him at Christmas for old time sake to show you are not bitter.

Did anybody used massage services of that apparently very popular Thonburi venue near Wongwian Yai BTS station? looking for feedback, thank you

Quite often I found that trying to convert boys from top to versatility is money well spent. Not much success but trying can be fun, works better on long time offs though. This is my IMEHO / even humbler opinion /

I'm the same , it's why probably I never went there. Naturally well build guys are another story. But out of curiosity and to complete all bars I committed myself to go next time. One never knows until tries. Have nice memories from long gone Tomahawk bar which used to be across the soi from Tawan.

We sex tourists helped to buy many a buffalo in the Kingdom of Thailand

I am glad you liked it, thank you. Butterflying comes from my idea of vacation-different places, different people every day. I found it invigorating and refreshing. When somewhere longer I even change hotels every 2-3 days .As I travel light it comes easy. Years ago offed same boy 3 times within 5 days each time was in different hotel. He looked as developing motion sickness.

I agree, mamasans at Classic Boys and Jupiter are class and not pushy at all. Different types of boys in each bar so it looks that we have a choice free from pestering

Since mamasans have visible problem in adding numbers and are averse to using calculator I always pay for drinks as they are coming. Otherwise chances are that 250 plus 250 will come to 600 or so. I make sure always have a small bills coins so tip can be given directly to cute waiter. Whatever you place in the wallet goes to commons to be distributed among all and I'm not sure it works as intended

As for bars I always start with one I did not visit for longest time. Next time will start with Tawan as never been there, then it will be Dreamboys from my rotation. First venue I always visit is Arena massage in tribute to closed since HIS massage in the same building.

For earlier post please refer to “Notes from Bangkok trip-BBB Inn and Classic Boys Day 3 As I mentioned earlier waking up in the morning to silly skinned body with d**k attached is my idea of fun in LOS so my day was already made before it even started. Doing touristy stuff for most of the day I decided to break for lunch at long not visited Soi Ngam Duphli of Malaysia Hotel fame, now just 1 station hop by MRT from Silom. Lunch in Vincent 7 rooms restaurant, tasty and good value . On my way toward Malaysia noticed massage parlor called Lomchoey Massage with very hunky attendant resting in the hammock at front waving friendly . Not today but took note to avail myself to his services in future. No moneyboys around Malaysia this time but probably it was too early and /or too hot. Butterfly in me died today and I decided to return to Arena in the evening hoping James from day 1 will be available for long term offer I declined previously . Is pretty long walk from BBB but interesting as it passes through infamous soi 6. Tawan was already open but decided to leave visit for next time. For some reason I was never inside of that bar . Next on my way was Nature Boys, Bangkok smallest gay bar. Undernourished street urchin at the door screaming ‘ take me, take me ‘ was hardly inviting but decided to peek inside –few boys, only one relatively well built, no clients inside, nothing seemed to change since 2002 when I was there last time. Somehow bar survived all those years. Golden Cock across the soi seemed quiet as well so did not bother to go inside. At Arena arrived much earlier than 2 days ago, few boys were sitting outside including my James but he did not follow me when I went inside . Several boys were presenting themselves across the lobby including one who was smiling and raising his hand , just to make sure I don’t overlook him while talking to mamasan so he got my contract. Usually in Arena before massage I have drink with the boy including some hand holding session but he was so anxious to start that I obliged. His name is DIT , boy with swimmers built from Khon Kaen with disarming smile. He is top with perfect hairless body bar tiny happy trail and regular bush you know where. This time I took 1 ½ hour oil massage for 950 and as soon as he started I knew he earned his 500 bonus from me. One of those cases when chemistry is kicking in right from the start. When I asked him about taking him off tonight he agreed but indicated that off fee would be 1800 which I considered crazy. It turned out that this is a price for out call , boy tip included as is the custom with massage parlors to include boy’s tip in quoted rate for outcalls. Just to take him off –it was already past 9 p.m. I was quoted price of 1 hr. massage -600. As mentioned I always ask boys if they want to eat something. He wanted so we settled in Chinese restaurant downstairs. Boy, was he hungry. I was his first client that day. Back in hotel upon mutual re-inspection we agreed that we are both sexy. While I did not buy his lies it was pleasant to hear anyways. Very quiet night with one guy sleeping and another one cherishing every second with him wrapped around. Some action in the morning before we parted our ways. You may not see him there as he won army lottery and was supposed to start his 2 years army stint sometime in June or July. Day 4 With snake farm across the road two visits there. At 11 venom milking session in the building in the back, at 2.30 snake handling show in the amphitheater at front. If you are attending at 11 save your 200 baht ticket so you will not pay for second show. Extremely hot day so what to do while waiting for a second show? If you are in BBB answers are sitting in the lobby -take massage discounted 20 % for residents. Off I did. My boy from 2 days ago was not there and I’m butterfly anyways so my pick was nicest smile. Not much massage though as boy was more interested in afters and to my surprise seemed to like my company too. Again, second time in the last 24 hrs. ? Unfortunately one obstacle on my side-his shaved pubes which I hate. So no massage and no afters, some pleasant body contact , he earned his tip and off I went to see other snakes again. No name will be provided as I do not blame him and lots of people may be happy with boy’s WHOLE body smooth. Evening stroll through Soi Twilight and friendly wave from muscular guy at front of Bangkok Massage enticed me to go inside. They have different system there, you are not picking up massage guy, he is assigned to you from rotation. I was assigned Namu or Namoo if I remember correctly. Tall top guy with nice body and big tattoo of bird covering all of his back. This doesn’t bother me at all. I like interior of Bangkok Massage, nicely decorated in traditional Thai style. There’s no shower in the room but he made sure that door to the room were locked when we went to shower together. They have very simple tipping system there-minimum tip = cost of massage. I opted for 1 hour massage at 700 and again very shortly after he started I knew he has 500 extra tip as well . Not only massage was great but he tried hard to find what possibly can please his client . After massage I was offered hot ginger tea over which I investigated long time option for tonight . Gladly accepted with off fee at the same cost like 1 hr. massage . Since It was still early and I wanted to see show at Jupiter tonight we agreed that I will pick him up at later hour and just to make sure there’s no misunderstanding I paid off fee up front. Jupiter has reputation for best show and most handsome boys of all bars. Boys have reputation of having attitude and being lazy and demanding. This I wanted to verify today and tomorrow since I had already boy lining up for tonight. Drink is 270 arrived promptly and tip to round price accepted with smile. Mamasans are not pushy , in fact they did not bother me at all. All 20 or so boys on display were offable muscular hunks with great bodies. Show was erotic and entertaining, no nudity at all , occasional glimpse of erect or semi-erect tool or shade of bushes. Beside me was sitting mature Thai gentleman ready to off one of the boys, my soul mate as without any hesitation and in full view he wanted to see boy’s pubes to make sure they are unshaven, they weren’t as he nod approvingly. After show boys started to rotate on the stage and each of them nice piece of male beauty, not to many smiles though. I spied one I may be interested for tomorrow but in fact I was interested in all, one can just toss a coin and still to land a gem unless you are into twinks, than is nothing for you there. At 11.30 Namu was waiting for me , I offered supper but he was not hungry and we went home. Another night in heaven and morning in paradise. In the morning he seemed to be in rush declining breakfast together option. Bottom line of this is that even if you are getting guy from rotation he may still provide you with time of your life. Day 5 –last Another mid-day massage with BBB boy. Massage and body contact only with Aek. He is much younger than on his picture on the website. Word of warning- boys are gossiping, he already knew how much I tipped his friend yesterday. Certainly butterflying has advantages. Late afternoon when walking on Silom received flyer from Fan Club Massage advertising among others’ gay massage ‘ and went there. Fan Club in in sub-soi of Convent, steps from Silom. Inside about 15-20 boys lining up, presenting themselves upon client’s entry, some dressed , some shirtless. Picked muscular shirtless guy named MAN. He has his picture on their website, again in real he is younger than look on that photo. Ordered 90 minutes massage for 900. Nice rooms they have , shower attached and even Listerine provided there-good idea. Man is from Chiang Rai and he is true professional top with body to kill for. Probably best and most thorough massage I ever had in Bangkok and I had many as I’m big fan of massages and massage places. Good kisser and works hard to please.Pretty good English as well. He did not rush things at all and even if we were done before time bought elapsed , last several minutes we spent cuddling and feeling each other .I hoped I’ll land in paradise again but he was not available for long time tonight so back to scientific experiment planned yesterday-checking accuracy of the fame of Jupiter boys on one sample… Again parade on 20 or so boys , all handsome, all offable and faces kind of showing they know their worth. House packed for the show like yesterday, drink 270, mamasans not pushy at all. Show different than yesterday even more erotic and entertaining, no nudity but appendages more visible through white undies. I confirm that for show and quality of boys Jupiter stands out big time at least for those looking for manly and muscular company. If you are into twinks or fems just see the show and move on somewhere else- soi Twilight is just across the Suriwong. After show usual eye-candy parade . Guy I spied yesterday was there, no way to make eye contact so did not waste time, called mamasan over and asked to bring boy number …. In no uncertain terms I was informed ‘ he is not a gay and man can not f**k him”. Which I did not found an obstacle for few reasons main of them is that almost always it’s more fun just to try to change boys ways even if attempt it’s completely unsuccessful. And it works both ways too. Boy appeared after quite a wait, I assume he was trying to glance me over from somewhere as we did not make eye contact before, traditional question ‘are you going with me?” was asked and off we went, when outside next question “do you want to eat something?’ was asked as it is my habit. BBB Inn is always asking and keeping for boys ID which is good system, makes you feeling more secure and gives you chance of avoiding under aged company . Very second we entered room boy turned TV on right away without even bothering to ask if he can. I know it happens all the time but somehow not to me, must have “I hate TV “ written in Thai across my face in ink visible to boys only . Nice shower together, discovered that his body looked better from the distance in the bar than up close but downgrade was only from perfect to excellent. Good conversation continued in the bed. As for the rest I fast realized that I just hired a nice looking sand bag wrapped in silky skin. Not even single motion to pretend he enjoys the encounter / company. Knowing he is not a gay / most of boys are not anyways / did not expect much but even friendly pat somewhere from time to time would do - but nothing happened. After may be 40 minutes he announced that he needs to go because is tired tonight . Certainly I did not make him tired but I was grateful he took charge in cutting my losses. As is my way I still tipped him in full, always do. True to the fame he wanted more money for taxi, again first for me in many, many encounters. I don’t dispense taxi money unless warranted /middle of the night departure as agreed before /so he did not get it , nice try anyways. So it derailed me a little. We both share a blame. In this business he should be more accommodating even if he finds company obnoxious/unattractive/whatever. My fault was to get carried away offing him without even of establishing eye contact. But original idea was to verify opinions about Jupiter and its boys. While one statistic sample does not warrant establishing hypothesis I can say that Jupiter shows are best of all bars and it’s boys most impressive so common wisdom seems to be confirmed. As for another belief that it’s boys are prima donnas with attitude, expecting plenty for not much input, I’d venture that it may be something in it. Wonder how it’ll be with Tawan , only bar I never visited but certainly will next time Leaving BBB lnn early in the morning for the airport despite extremely heavy rain guy from reception still offered to stop taxi for me but I told him to stay inside not seeing any benefit of two of us being soaked. It took 30 seconds for taxi to appear anyways and this time I was happy to be skinned alive-he quoted price of 600 which I gladly accepted. Meter would show 380 but at the time we both understood what it means ‘to save for rainy day ‘. Hope to be back in November to butterfly a little again.

When on the road I carry passport in old fashioned money belt next to my body in my undies. Un-laminated copy always inside of main luggage. When settled in the hotel I keep passport in the luggage which is always locked with solid padlock. Have some Id with me like driving license when hitting streets . Only time I carry passport is when hitting bars or massages just in case it'll be raided, you need also to show passport when exchanging money in many places