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Market economy at works I guess. May be there is grain of truth in circulated wisdom about stingy Pattaya expats. As long as bars are full this is good news. If we love Asian boys why Asians shouldn't ? When I red your Jupiter statement I recalled that during my last time there only handful farangs were in audience for a show so you must be right

Now I'm scared Christian, I 'm planning to start my sightseeing with Tawan and Dreamboys when I'll be in Bangkok in November , never been to Tawan and Dreamboys is one not visited for longest time. As sworn butterfly I rotate bars in order. Hope I will not show any attitude when there. As for Jupiter I still think is best bar for show & eye candy and mamasans are not pushy at all but understand what you say as I was not happy with my last ' business ' meeting with boy from that bar. But may be it was lack of chemistry. Will visit them when their turn comes, not any time soon as this was my last bar visited on the last trip so landed at end of line anyways .

We all say ' never again ' but sooner or later we are back in THE SOI watching shows and passing traffic as there's no place like that anywhere

Good for you. Staying in company of permanently unhappy people sooner or later becomes contagious disease and one becomes the same. I'd call him once a year him at Christmas for old time sake to show you are not bitter.

Did anybody used massage services of that apparently very popular Thonburi venue near Wongwian Yai BTS station? looking for feedback, thank you

Quite often I found that trying to convert boys from top to versatility is money well spent. Not much success but trying can be fun, works better on long time offs though. This is my IMEHO / even humbler opinion /

I'm the same , it's why probably I never went there. Naturally well build guys are another story. But out of curiosity and to complete all bars I committed myself to go next time. One never knows until tries. Have nice memories from long gone Tomahawk bar which used to be across the soi from Tawan.

We sex tourists helped to buy many a buffalo in the Kingdom of Thailand

I am glad you liked it, thank you. Butterflying comes from my idea of vacation-different places, different people every day. I found it invigorating and refreshing. When somewhere longer I even change hotels every 2-3 days .As I travel light it comes easy. Years ago offed same boy 3 times within 5 days each time was in different hotel. He looked as developing motion sickness.

I agree, mamasans at Classic Boys and Jupiter are class and not pushy at all. Different types of boys in each bar so it looks that we have a choice free from pestering

Since mamasans have visible problem in adding numbers and are averse to using calculator I always pay for drinks as they are coming. Otherwise chances are that 250 plus 250 will come to 600 or so. I make sure always have a small bills coins so tip can be given directly to cute waiter. Whatever you place in the wallet goes to commons to be distributed among all and I'm not sure it works as intended

As for bars I always start with one I did not visit for longest time. Next time will start with Tawan as never been there, then it will be Dreamboys from my rotation. First venue I always visit is Arena massage in tribute to closed since HIS massage in the same building.

For earlier post please refer to “Notes from Bangkok trip-BBB Inn and Classic Boys Day 3 As I mentioned earlier waking up in the morning to silly skinned body with d**k attached is my idea of fun in LOS so my day was already made before it even started. Doing touristy stuff for most of the day I decided to break for lunch at long not visited Soi Ngam Duphli of Malaysia Hotel fame, now just 1 station hop by MRT from Silom. Lunch in Vincent 7 rooms restaurant, tasty and good value . On my way toward Malaysia noticed massage parlor called Lomchoey Massage with very hunky attendant resting in the hammock at front waving friendly . Not today but took note to avail myself to his services in future. No moneyboys around Malaysia this time but probably it was too early and /or too hot. Butterfly in me died today and I decided to return to Arena in the evening hoping James from day 1 will be available for long term offer I declined previously . Is pretty long walk from BBB but interesting as it passes through infamous soi 6. Tawan was already open but decided to leave visit for next time. For some reason I was never inside of that bar . Next on my way was Nature Boys, Bangkok smallest gay bar. Undernourished street urchin at the door screaming ‘ take me, take me ‘ was hardly inviting but decided to peek inside –few boys, only one relatively well built, no clients inside, nothing seemed to change since 2002 when I was there last time. Somehow bar survived all those years. Golden Cock across the soi seemed quiet as well so did not bother to go inside. At Arena arrived much earlier than 2 days ago, few boys were sitting outside including my James but he did not follow me when I went inside . Several boys were presenting themselves across the lobby including one who was smiling and raising his hand , just to make sure I don’t overlook him while talking to mamasan so he got my contract. Usually in Arena before massage I have drink with the boy including some hand holding session but he was so anxious to start that I obliged. His name is DIT , boy with swimmers built from Khon Kaen with disarming smile. He is top with perfect hairless body bar tiny happy trail and regular bush you know where. This time I took 1 ½ hour oil massage for 950 and as soon as he started I knew he earned his 500 bonus from me. One of those cases when chemistry is kicking in right from the start. When I asked him about taking him off tonight he agreed but indicated that off fee would be 1800 which I considered crazy. It turned out that this is a price for out call , boy tip included as is the custom with massage parlors to include boy’s tip in quoted rate for outcalls. Just to take him off –it was already past 9 p.m. I was quoted price of 1 hr. massage -600. As mentioned I always ask boys if they want to eat something. He wanted so we settled in Chinese restaurant downstairs. Boy, was he hungry. I was his first client that day. Back in hotel upon mutual re-inspection we agreed that we are both sexy. While I did not buy his lies it was pleasant to hear anyways. Very quiet night with one guy sleeping and another one cherishing every second with him wrapped around. Some action in the morning before we parted our ways. You may not see him there as he won army lottery and was supposed to start his 2 years army stint sometime in June or July. Day 4 With snake farm across the road two visits there. At 11 venom milking session in the building in the back, at 2.30 snake handling show in the amphitheater at front. If you are attending at 11 save your 200 baht ticket so you will not pay for second show. Extremely hot day so what to do while waiting for a second show? If you are in BBB answers are sitting in the lobby -take massage discounted 20 % for residents. Off I did. My boy from 2 days ago was not there and I’m butterfly anyways so my pick was nicest smile. Not much massage though as boy was more interested in afters and to my surprise seemed to like my company too. Again, second time in the last 24 hrs. ? Unfortunately one obstacle on my side-his shaved pubes which I hate. So no massage and no afters, some pleasant body contact , he earned his tip and off I went to see other snakes again. No name will be provided as I do not blame him and lots of people may be happy with boy’s WHOLE body smooth. Evening stroll through Soi Twilight and friendly wave from muscular guy at front of Bangkok Massage enticed me to go inside. They have different system there, you are not picking up massage guy, he is assigned to you from rotation. I was assigned Namu or Namoo if I remember correctly. Tall top guy with nice body and big tattoo of bird covering all of his back. This doesn’t bother me at all. I like interior of Bangkok Massage, nicely decorated in traditional Thai style. There’s no shower in the room but he made sure that door to the room were locked when we went to shower together. They have very simple tipping system there-minimum tip = cost of massage. I opted for 1 hour massage at 700 and again very shortly after he started I knew he has 500 extra tip as well . Not only massage was great but he tried hard to find what possibly can please his client . After massage I was offered hot ginger tea over which I investigated long time option for tonight . Gladly accepted with off fee at the same cost like 1 hr. massage . Since It was still early and I wanted to see show at Jupiter tonight we agreed that I will pick him up at later hour and just to make sure there’s no misunderstanding I paid off fee up front. Jupiter has reputation for best show and most handsome boys of all bars. Boys have reputation of having attitude and being lazy and demanding. This I wanted to verify today and tomorrow since I had already boy lining up for tonight. Drink is 270 arrived promptly and tip to round price accepted with smile. Mamasans are not pushy , in fact they did not bother me at all. All 20 or so boys on display were offable muscular hunks with great bodies. Show was erotic and entertaining, no nudity at all , occasional glimpse of erect or semi-erect tool or shade of bushes. Beside me was sitting mature Thai gentleman ready to off one of the boys, my soul mate as without any hesitation and in full view he wanted to see boy’s pubes to make sure they are unshaven, they weren’t as he nod approvingly. After show boys started to rotate on the stage and each of them nice piece of male beauty, not to many smiles though. I spied one I may be interested for tomorrow but in fact I was interested in all, one can just toss a coin and still to land a gem unless you are into twinks, than is nothing for you there. At 11.30 Namu was waiting for me , I offered supper but he was not hungry and we went home. Another night in heaven and morning in paradise. In the morning he seemed to be in rush declining breakfast together option. Bottom line of this is that even if you are getting guy from rotation he may still provide you with time of your life. Day 5 –last Another mid-day massage with BBB boy. Massage and body contact only with Aek. He is much younger than on his picture on the website. Word of warning- boys are gossiping, he already knew how much I tipped his friend yesterday. Certainly butterflying has advantages. Late afternoon when walking on Silom received flyer from Fan Club Massage advertising among others’ gay massage ‘ and went there. Fan Club in in sub-soi of Convent, steps from Silom. Inside about 15-20 boys lining up, presenting themselves upon client’s entry, some dressed , some shirtless. Picked muscular shirtless guy named MAN. He has his picture on their website, again in real he is younger than look on that photo. Ordered 90 minutes massage for 900. Nice rooms they have , shower attached and even Listerine provided there-good idea. Man is from Chiang Rai and he is true professional top with body to kill for. Probably best and most thorough massage I ever had in Bangkok and I had many as I’m big fan of massages and massage places. Good kisser and works hard to please.Pretty good English as well. He did not rush things at all and even if we were done before time bought elapsed , last several minutes we spent cuddling and feeling each other .I hoped I’ll land in paradise again but he was not available for long time tonight so back to scientific experiment planned yesterday-checking accuracy of the fame of Jupiter boys on one sample… Again parade on 20 or so boys , all handsome, all offable and faces kind of showing they know their worth. House packed for the show like yesterday, drink 270, mamasans not pushy at all. Show different than yesterday even more erotic and entertaining, no nudity but appendages more visible through white undies. I confirm that for show and quality of boys Jupiter stands out big time at least for those looking for manly and muscular company. If you are into twinks or fems just see the show and move on somewhere else- soi Twilight is just across the Suriwong. After show usual eye-candy parade . Guy I spied yesterday was there, no way to make eye contact so did not waste time, called mamasan over and asked to bring boy number …. In no uncertain terms I was informed ‘ he is not a gay and man can not f**k him”. Which I did not found an obstacle for few reasons main of them is that almost always it’s more fun just to try to change boys ways even if attempt it’s completely unsuccessful. And it works both ways too. Boy appeared after quite a wait, I assume he was trying to glance me over from somewhere as we did not make eye contact before, traditional question ‘are you going with me?” was asked and off we went, when outside next question “do you want to eat something?’ was asked as it is my habit. BBB Inn is always asking and keeping for boys ID which is good system, makes you feeling more secure and gives you chance of avoiding under aged company . Very second we entered room boy turned TV on right away without even bothering to ask if he can. I know it happens all the time but somehow not to me, must have “I hate TV “ written in Thai across my face in ink visible to boys only . Nice shower together, discovered that his body looked better from the distance in the bar than up close but downgrade was only from perfect to excellent. Good conversation continued in the bed. As for the rest I fast realized that I just hired a nice looking sand bag wrapped in silky skin. Not even single motion to pretend he enjoys the encounter / company. Knowing he is not a gay / most of boys are not anyways / did not expect much but even friendly pat somewhere from time to time would do - but nothing happened. After may be 40 minutes he announced that he needs to go because is tired tonight . Certainly I did not make him tired but I was grateful he took charge in cutting my losses. As is my way I still tipped him in full, always do. True to the fame he wanted more money for taxi, again first for me in many, many encounters. I don’t dispense taxi money unless warranted /middle of the night departure as agreed before /so he did not get it , nice try anyways. So it derailed me a little. We both share a blame. In this business he should be more accommodating even if he finds company obnoxious/unattractive/whatever. My fault was to get carried away offing him without even of establishing eye contact. But original idea was to verify opinions about Jupiter and its boys. While one statistic sample does not warrant establishing hypothesis I can say that Jupiter shows are best of all bars and it’s boys most impressive so common wisdom seems to be confirmed. As for another belief that it’s boys are prima donnas with attitude, expecting plenty for not much input, I’d venture that it may be something in it. Wonder how it’ll be with Tawan , only bar I never visited but certainly will next time Leaving BBB lnn early in the morning for the airport despite extremely heavy rain guy from reception still offered to stop taxi for me but I told him to stay inside not seeing any benefit of two of us being soaked. It took 30 seconds for taxi to appear anyways and this time I was happy to be skinned alive-he quoted price of 600 which I gladly accepted. Meter would show 380 but at the time we both understood what it means ‘to save for rainy day ‘. Hope to be back in November to butterfly a little again.

When on the road I carry passport in old fashioned money belt next to my body in my undies. Un-laminated copy always inside of main luggage. When settled in the hotel I keep passport in the luggage which is always locked with solid padlock. Have some Id with me like driving license when hitting streets . Only time I carry passport is when hitting bars or massages just in case it'll be raided, you need also to show passport when exchanging money in many places

After several trips to LOS, planned and executed under influence of readings from this forum I feel indebted to the members and readers so decided to chip in with few notes of fairly recent /end of May/, short but rewarding / 5 days, 9 boys / trip to Bangkok. I hope those notes will help somebody the same way like your notes helped me over the years. My preferences are: Hotels-I’m looking for location and comfort , no need for luxury as I prefer to spend money on boys or next trip instead. Clean room with working A/C is good enough for me. Would not sleep in room without private bathroom though. In Bangkok Silom area preferred over Sukhumvit. Clubs, saunas, host and beer bars, washroom cruising , internet dating – not my scene. Go-go bars vs. massage parlors –I like go-go atmosphere , shows and flesh display but over the years I had much better luck with massage boys than go-go. Boys – smile, face and body shape is what draws my attention. I go for more athletic, mid- 20’s manly types with naturally smooth body .Preferably kissers. Manhood size and tattoos irrelevant. Bubble butt – big bonus. Studs, rings, piercings and shaved pubes, ladyboys, fem types – no way. Twinks – rarely and only if at least my height, don’t ask me why as I don’t know, just don’t have traction with short skinny guys. Bodybuilders – don’t know, never been to Tawan so far. Long time over short time-anytime , nothing beats waking up in the morning next to warm, silky skinned body with d**k attached !!! Tips- short time 1500 / I make sure short time is at least 2 hrs./ , long time 2500, rarely less, sometimes more. I have bonus system unknown to boys- if he gets hard before I start helping him or he starts helping himself he gets 500 extra to recognize hard fact that he either gets hot by my presence / unlikely / or by situation he found himself in thanks to me offing him. I always ask them how much they want but usually get ‘up to you ‘ answer anyways. If he wants more than I was prepared to offer I consider on case to case basis. Other : after leaving bar/ massage for an off I always ask them if they are hungry and make sure they are well fed, contrary to common belief more often than not offer is declined. I offer breakfast in the morning but only if they are willing to eat with me, they have breakfast , I have company if desired. I never give extra money for taxi unless they are leaving in the middle of the night because earlier agreement. Never had anything stolen by the boy nor noticed any unwarranted activity around my belongings / other than attached to my body /. If performance is less than desired I still tip them normal rate , chalking loss over to experience. Street trade – rarely used unless in possession of very presentable smile and body, than short time hotel and body contact only plus kisses. Day 1, Arrived very late and camped in Nasa Vegas Hotel, offer of 15 $ per night came when flight was booked so I took it for 2 nights. Hotel is far from entertainment area but for late arrival has advantages , not only rate, still available on last minute basis-checked today . Located across the street from Ramkamhaeng station on City Link Airport line. Nothing fancy , room clean , spacious and working A/C and refrigerator. Room can be noisy due to tracks behind the window but at this rate I’d not complain. Breakfast can be ordered in the room at 240, nothing special but filling enough. One stop from Makkasan station where you can change to MRT / underground/ to Silom area. One word of warning – you are required key deposit of 1500 on arrival, returned to you on check-out. If arriving late make sure you exchange some money at the airport. Early In the morning hop on City link to Phaya Thai than switch to BTS / elevated rail / to Sathorn station to take river taxi / 12 baht / to Grand Palace. Arrived at 8.30 , precisely at opening time. First time in 5 or 6 visits no crowds yet, inside of Emerald Budda temple only 3-4 people, finally after all those years was a able to see it from close. Admission 500 including Vinamek palace and Throne Hall so hop into taxi / 70-80 bt / and early afternoon there . When leaving Grand Palace crowds arrived so no regret of early rising. No more touristy stuff for you but I was so happy I found way of avoiding crowds there I decided to share. In the evening trip to Arena massage. I always start my sexcapades in Bangkok from that location. HIS massage, now defunct , in the same building was my first ever erotic place I visited in Bangkok and even if I’m sworn butterfly with both boys and venues I go there first. It was 9 p.m. I was greeted at the door by sweet , slightly chubby boy wanting to be called James. Only 3 other guys inside, all muscular so my type . I was reprimanded by mamasan for coming that late as he could offer only 1 hour massage and not so big selection of boys. In Arena you have boys sitting across the lobby from you while you make your selection. I picked up said James and off we went upstairs. As per their website minimum tip is 500 including shower , massage and hand job, everything else extra. James made nice effort to earn this extra , massage not bad either. Shower is in the room there. Offered to go with me to the hotel but I declined as jet lag was catching with me already. Back to Nasa Vegas Day 2 Transfer to BBB Inn after breakfast. Place has very mixed reviews but I have only praise. Rate is 1320 / night. Location is excellent with Soi Twilight and its venues directly behind, no need even to cross the street . Room spacious and clean and so was washroom. Desk runs the length of room, refrigerator stocked with drinks, expensive with beer at 110 but you can buy your own at 7/11 to save. Two condoms and lubricant provided. Safe in the room not working but plenty available on reception. Patpong, MRT and BTS stations easy walk from there. Snake farm just across the street . No breakfast provided but with Suriwong and Silom just steps away with eateries open 8 days a week, 25 hours per day this is no problem at all. They do not provide blanket but room is equipped with big massage towel which can double as quilt. TV with straight and gay p**n provided and DVD attached. Used also as short time hotel but in my 4 days/nights did not notice any noises from those activities, just room doors open and closed. Free drinking water provided ( 2 bottles/day ). 50 baht I left for housekeeper in the morning under the pillow weren’t even collected but moved to the desk . Gave to him later. They offer massage now with boys available 7/24. They are present in the lobby but none approached me uninvited to offer any services. Two free computers available in the lobby. There’s no elevator but this is place for gay MEN for f**k sake , who needs an elevator in 3 floor building ? So honestly I did not found any fault during my stay there nor any basis for complains I was reading on various sites. Will stay there again in my incoming trip in November, booked already. As for massages they are 600 for 1 hr. and 1000 for 2 hours with minimum tip of 1000. If you are guest you have 20% discount so it is 480 for 1 hr. and 800 for 2hrs. More about that later in whoring part. Evening butterfly in me decided to spent in the Classic Boys , one with the watertank. Never been there before, arrived 15 minutes before show. About dozen spectators of various ages and backgrounds including straight farang couple kissing deeply in the front row and Thai couple with 2-3 year old child ! Mamasan not pushy at all , drink arrived for 280, asked if I want to seat with the boy, when declined informed me that I can off boy of my choice for 400 and tip him ‘ may be 2000 baht ‘ he said. After that he left me alone. About 12 boys on stage , mostly twinks so not my choice as per introduction, two taller , more massive guys, one with spiky hair drew my attention but no eye contact made before show started. Three twinks would consider offable , of course one most attractive was offed as soon as I started considering motions, another one short but with pretty face and body, third one well endowed inside of whiteys. Show started with quasi Indian dance by skinny but smiling twinks, than lip synch song by well built lady with nice smile / not lady boy /, than 2 boys swimming naked in the tank, no interaction between them but both well built and well endowed so nice and easy to the eyes. In the last act both of them plus another one came to the stage well erected , two lay on the floor and third serviced their endowments for a while. No happy ending and no f**k show so I found it nice , erotic but not sleazy. After show boys arrived back on stage including my spiky hair, asked mamasan to bring boy over, boy agreed to go with me so off we went. No pre-requirements discussed as I’m flexible and like to see what happens. Did not catch his name or number but he is gay by his own admission. Nice performance and body but declined long time offer for tonight citing other arrangements even if he admitted it was his 2nd off this month only. So I was left happy but lonely for the night. No way. Went for a stroll around the soi and Patpong but nothing fancy came my way but since it was well past closing time of Patpong bars I witnessed an interesting spectacle of winding down stalls of the night market. Military precision with plenty of shirtless guys working on disassembly. Very interesting sight with most of lights gone and soi Twilight completely dark. Even if it was well past 2 a. m ., back in hotel still 3 massage boys were on duty- another advantage of staying at BBB Inn. Ton had cutest smile-you can see his picture in hotel’s website so he landed an order for 1 hr. massage in my room. Cute , well endowed with perky bum as a bonus - things went well so 1 hour later I asked him to stay till morning , he agreed but directed me to clear things with reception which I did promised to pay for another massage in the morning. Next 3 days will be posted in a separate topic as likely you are already bored to death with length of this one.