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Brings fond memories from landing in Taipei just before Christmas 2002 and welcoming sign right in front of gate's exit : "Posession and trafficking in narcotics is penalized by death in the Republic of China" curious if still a case / sign not legal qualification /

reprimand humbly accepted, I'm not a businessman so can't say much about acceptable business practices and may be wrong. I don't like an idea of big guy bullying small one using standard legal channels and hope that during my lifetime at least water and air will not be legally trademarked. Defending legal rights, yes. Strangling somebody without anesthetics while doing so , no As for legality while not advocating anarchy I can notice that during my lifetime in the Starbuck's homeland it was perfectly legal to force black person to use back of the bus only and still in many countries what we are doing with our boyfriends or boys special is legally hanging or even better stoning offence. So legal channels may be manipulated to somebody's advantage.

You meant " that can afford this kind of care", right ? Need for health care is not that income dependent.

stay away from doctors and hospitals as it is very unhealthy thing to get sick ! Health costs in LOS may be reasonable for Westerners, specially with good insurance but what about for Thais. Do they have any form of public health insurance ? Thaksin introduced 30 baht doctor visits but what after that? Just asking as I do not have an idea. Anyways is good to know that we can count on 1st class care if need, God forbid, arises

While you are correct on those accounts, amount of compensation they are requesting seems out of whack and it may be potentially damaging their reputation. If I was their competitor I'd make sure to find money in order to finance discretely some 'information ' campaign exploiting this situation

Regular boyscapades to LOL are probably helping you to stay with perfect levels. Somebody mentioned that Zeus may be in old Ocean Boys place ?

I never been to Starbucks and even before this story broke I was always proud of it . Yes, guy's logo resembles theirs a bit but who believes small guy would be any competition for them , I'd rather say he provides an additional and free advertisement for brand. I guess they want to teach Thais a lesson with such a unreasonable demand for compensation. My best wishes of healthy heartburn and indigestion for all Starbucks customers.

I'd check cholesterol level after all those cheeseburgers and desserts unless you had couple drinks of something more substantial than wine. Four gentlemen 3 minutes from HERO and nobody venture to inspect? LOL They were reports about new bar ZEUS in soi Twilight, would you like to confirm if it's true if you go there

Certainly you are giving a lift to Thai economy ! Have you ever used services of another male beauty salon Up 2 on Rama IV between Silom and Suriwong? I need some mutilation on myself and looking for feedback on both

Who is this human form visible against the window? You or resident hotel ghost? You right about extremely good deal with limo from Pattaya for 40 $, probably most of us pay more just to get to airport where we live. What do you mean you are tired? Just bring boy special , do not molest him but ask him to wrap himself around you in bed, go to sleep as his pillow and in the morning you will be years younger. This is my method of fighting jet lag and it works with bit of self discipline / I let boy to molest me if he wishes though, some actually do , considering age difference it's not bad self esteem booster for me/ . Enjoy your time in this most invigorating city in the world.

Great report Devint, sorry to hear about your ocean misadventure but this is what happens when youngsters are not listening to their elders. Everybody says stay away from Pattaya beach and you had unpleasant task to confim that. Thank you for positive review of La Café Royale- will be there in 4 weeks. It looks that Boyztown can keep one occupied for a while

MrBill, are those pictures from he said Sanctuary ? looks impressive, how to get there ? I know it can be googled but for sake of future readers. I second an idea of taking boy to somewhere not sex / food /shopping related like Alcazar show u you mentioned. Once took boy for a Grand Palace tour and genuinely I was moved by his reaction. If we don't treat them as just a toy, chances are they respond in kind. Not all chance encounters need to be toy/ATM meetings only.

Did not want to be dismissed by the cops ?

Probably not that much, these days people did not live that long, 50 was old already. Scandinavians liked to give fancy names to their kings, my favourite is Harald Bluetooth, Gorm succesor

What old hands consider boring for newcomers to LOS will still be gate to heaven warranting sweat and space discomfort inside their undies

you are both smart, you did not fall in his trap of 400 and he was obviously trying to cash on his good looks - free market so why not. I can imagine somebody new to Pattaya and little drunk carried over and paying that much. As for prohibition for photos inside of bars I think it's good idea, last thing many people need is their face on somebody else's photo taken inside of bar and posted on the facebook. Has nothing to do with debauchery, more with keeping private affairs private as it's nobody's business how and where one spends vacations/weekends e.t.c. And for 27th time thank you for keeping us entertained with your adventures

Neither am I but now you got me curious

Mystery solved, thank you Garrison. I was just curious, actually it would be fun to off some Russian and at one point surprise him as I speak quite a bit of language. I know there are Russian girls working in bars, any sightings of boys? I know there's one / Alex / working in Magnolia massage . How you compare Copa show to one in Jupiter in BKK, I think best of all there.

Don't be too nosy, lol. This thread developed nice as mine of information for prospective Pattaya first timers and well illustrated at that. Next time some newbie asks for advice before trip I think we can just direct him to study it.

Great photos and great community service ! You have a good heart ! Will go to ABomb in Nov and extract back 200 bht boys made you paying !. Curious -did they requested that or you just thought it's fair? Is first boy Thai ? it looks like Russian to me but it may be just photo. Second one I'd off in a fash ,bar would be deprived chance to sell me a drink. I like spark in his eyes but both are stunners in my eyes and well worth the sin / and a generous tip /. Nice line up at BBB , they look more man than boy so you're right I'd be happy in BT likely. On more serious note I personally do not see anything wrong if strangers are demanding fee for posing for us, when travelling I hate sight tourists pushing their cameras in everybody's face. What you guys think? As for bar assessments nothing wrong with conflicting opinions, likely both jomtien and firecat are right about that bar as we all look through our own lenses-good example above, I'd off boy in a second , firecat was happy to take a picture and move on. So everybody can register their opinion and prospective visitors will make their own based on what they heard, or rather read.

vacation after all should be vacation from everything, penny pinching included. Often in my travels I met and felt sorry for people who spent fortune to travel somewhere and after arrival they seem to deprive themselves even cheapest pleasantries in order not to overpay or haggle with locals over equivalent of 30 cents just for sake of haggling. Personally I do not see need for fancy hotels but understand that some travelers may get fun living few days in luxury and splurging on it. The same goes for taxis and fancy restaurants. On another hand I spend silly amounts on luxury massage treatments I don't even have need for other than for sake of sheer indulgence , why not ? I enjoyed Gold's posts immensely and my favorite part was his encounter with Tawan boy-brilliant idea instead of getting massage from boy why not to reverse roles. Gee , getting hot in here ! Lol

yes, thank you, I stand corrected

In comparison to girl bars, gay ones are minuscule minority so straight have much , much bigger variety of venues and escorts available. Hence biggest price range. Even for us one can imagine ugly street urchin from Nature Boy agreeing to go long-time for much less than 1000 if desperate while stunner from Tawan or Jupiter can easily try to extract 4000 or more for the same time

Smart guy you ! And likely boys would feel better if they sense one waded in there by mistake instead seeing him grimacing with disappointment .

Gold , don't worry about this. Every board will have inflamers who will be trying derail thread , gay forums are not exception. Don't get discouraged by this, it's price we need to pay for anonymity of participation. You do not need to justify your spending habits to anybody as it's nobody's business. Some people are driving fancy cars, wearing expensive jewelry, why others can't spent their money on expensive hotels, clothes , drinks e.t.c. as for point 3: it's possible that people with lots of time in their hands and good imagination and writing skills would invent and post stories just to entertain themselves and possibly others, may be to improve their self-esteem as well to show everybody how worldly they are . Again, gay boards are not immune to this. Like Italians say " si non e vero, e ben trovato" - "even if not true at least is well invented". This summer I was confined home for several weeks and being stuck , among other things entertained myself by combing through 3 most popular Thai gay forums and definitely some stories were in this category. Sample I remember: in 2006 poster is commenting as eye witness on some recent goings in Tawan bar, in 2011 the same poster is asking some questions claiming is coming back for vacation after 20 years absence in Thailand . But really where's harm IMHO? Not that I condone fiction, just trying to state that it can't be avoided so why bother to worry. Thank you for great reports and keep posting without worry what trolls will say. You should be commended as many people are looking for information and won't even bother to thank , not to mention to repay posters with even shortest trip report we so love to read.