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There is always remote danger that increased presence of Asians in PTY will eventually lead to increase of prices there as it did in BKK

1/5 of world population goes to bed hungry and Dr. Eugenia Cheng is providing the rest with the scientific formula for perfect pizza. God, where's your thunder ? Interesting read though, thank you Rogie.

Visited said Remington few years ago , beer 4.50 or 4.75 so price with tip will be 6 $=180 baht, you are right , much cheaper than Soi, Private lap dance was 20$ per song, song lasting 3-5 minutes. Got toughly-feely with very handsome dancer for about 20-25 minutes, 5 songs. Cost 100 $ = 3000 baht. Then realized that this is more then generous long-time tip in BKK. Since then strictly follow z909 advice above- make adjustments to expenditure patterns at home and save money for holiday. Generally our view on bar pricing depends on whether we are: long term residents- obviously not willing or able to afford those prices on daily basis, people on longer , once a- lifetime vacations who will be more prolific spenders but still watching budget, specially toward end of vacation and all those Singaporeans on long weekend hops to LOS or people visiting Thailand for short period of time / 5 or 7 days in my case/ on the way to, from or between other countries in region whose tolerance for prices is much higher as usually we are on the way to airport before money run out and do not want to waste an opportunity over overpriced 10-13 $ drink. So no reason to consider anybody cheap Charlie or fools parting soon with money as our motivations and spending patters are different. I, for one probably overspend on drinks, boy tips and definitely massages, others spend much more on restaurants, fancy hotels, taxis , discos, saunas etc. After all those are our vacations and we can treat ourselves however we see fit. Is bad to wake up in the morning feeling like idiot over spending way too much in the bar last night and also no good to open eyes to empty space in the bed beside over difference in tip's size.

nothing wrong with protecting brand but against real threat. Case we are discussing is case somebody trying to kill mosquito with baseball bat

As long as we have that choice we are good. I leave complaining about prices to others as IMHO Thailand is still one of best value for money countries in the world for travel for both vanilla and body to body tourists. I think Bangkok relies more on occasional sex tourist who is not adverse to pay those prices once every few years or may be once in the lifetime while Pattaya relies more on long term and returning visitors who are more inclined to look around for a better deal. I still recall my first visit to the soi Twilight almost 12 years ago and remember I'd pay any price quoted for any drink as soon as I entered my first bar , owners are cashing in on the novelty value and are getting away with murder for this very reason. And it's not that difficult to avoid those prices with beer bars , massages and GR . Bangkok Massage across the soi from Dreamboy charges 700 for oil massage and min tip is 700 for a total 1400, weigh it against 380 for drink and 600 off fee from the Dreamboys and now we are presented with real choice before even boy tip is considered..

Guy selling coffee on the street for 20 baht is not even competition to Starbucks " classy ' venues as he serves different market sector. While drugs companies may be right that thy are subsidizing health system of poor countries they are just repaying favor as cheap labor in poor countries is subsidizing prolific consumption in the reach part of the world. At end both sides can be winners as long as some balance is maintained . Gee, I sound like Brezhnev but so be it.

That 's why you were quiet recently on the forum, I thought you left LOS for some less rainy destination. This is not good and hope you feeling better now. If boy was fun, flirtatious and cute it's rather less surprising that all of you connoisseurs voted for him. Looks you guys had a nice convention two nights in row . .

so it looks each one of us needs to make own judgment if is getting good value for money and act accordingly. Certainly as firecat noticed bar hopping at 300 bht /drink is an option only for very prolific spenders.

another great report, out of 6 Bangkok Massage boys 5 are glued to their smartphones and only one keeping watch on soi's goings ! thank you for checking Zeus, no wonder reports about it are scarce if bars need Westerners to survive likely they would reduce prices instead of starving, sadly not a case whatever prices are , still thank God for that soi ! hope boy # 24 will not change his number for another month

Brings fond memories from landing in Taipei just before Christmas 2002 and welcoming sign right in front of gate's exit : "Posession and trafficking in narcotics is penalized by death in the Republic of China" curious if still a case / sign not legal qualification /

reprimand humbly accepted, I'm not a businessman so can't say much about acceptable business practices and may be wrong. I don't like an idea of big guy bullying small one using standard legal channels and hope that during my lifetime at least water and air will not be legally trademarked. Defending legal rights, yes. Strangling somebody without anesthetics while doing so , no As for legality while not advocating anarchy I can notice that during my lifetime in the Starbuck's homeland it was perfectly legal to force black person to use back of the bus only and still in many countries what we are doing with our boyfriends or boys special is legally hanging or even better stoning offence. So legal channels may be manipulated to somebody's advantage.

You meant " that can afford this kind of care", right ? Need for health care is not that income dependent.

stay away from doctors and hospitals as it is very unhealthy thing to get sick ! Health costs in LOS may be reasonable for Westerners, specially with good insurance but what about for Thais. Do they have any form of public health insurance ? Thaksin introduced 30 baht doctor visits but what after that? Just asking as I do not have an idea. Anyways is good to know that we can count on 1st class care if need, God forbid, arises

While you are correct on those accounts, amount of compensation they are requesting seems out of whack and it may be potentially damaging their reputation. If I was their competitor I'd make sure to find money in order to finance discretely some 'information ' campaign exploiting this situation

Regular boyscapades to LOL are probably helping you to stay with perfect levels. Somebody mentioned that Zeus may be in old Ocean Boys place ?

I never been to Starbucks and even before this story broke I was always proud of it . Yes, guy's logo resembles theirs a bit but who believes small guy would be any competition for them , I'd rather say he provides an additional and free advertisement for brand. I guess they want to teach Thais a lesson with such a unreasonable demand for compensation. My best wishes of healthy heartburn and indigestion for all Starbucks customers.

I'd check cholesterol level after all those cheeseburgers and desserts unless you had couple drinks of something more substantial than wine. Four gentlemen 3 minutes from HERO and nobody venture to inspect? LOL They were reports about new bar ZEUS in soi Twilight, would you like to confirm if it's true if you go there

Certainly you are giving a lift to Thai economy ! Have you ever used services of another male beauty salon Up 2 on Rama IV between Silom and Suriwong? I need some mutilation on myself and looking for feedback on both

Who is this human form visible against the window? You or resident hotel ghost? You right about extremely good deal with limo from Pattaya for 40 $, probably most of us pay more just to get to airport where we live. What do you mean you are tired? Just bring boy special , do not molest him but ask him to wrap himself around you in bed, go to sleep as his pillow and in the morning you will be years younger. This is my method of fighting jet lag and it works with bit of self discipline / I let boy to molest me if he wishes though, some actually do , considering age difference it's not bad self esteem booster for me/ . Enjoy your time in this most invigorating city in the world.

Great report Devint, sorry to hear about your ocean misadventure but this is what happens when youngsters are not listening to their elders. Everybody says stay away from Pattaya beach and you had unpleasant task to confim that. Thank you for positive review of La Café Royale- will be there in 4 weeks. It looks that Boyztown can keep one occupied for a while

MrBill, are those pictures from he said Sanctuary ? looks impressive, how to get there ? I know it can be googled but for sake of future readers. I second an idea of taking boy to somewhere not sex / food /shopping related like Alcazar show u you mentioned. Once took boy for a Grand Palace tour and genuinely I was moved by his reaction. If we don't treat them as just a toy, chances are they respond in kind. Not all chance encounters need to be toy/ATM meetings only.

Did not want to be dismissed by the cops ?

Probably not that much, these days people did not live that long, 50 was old already. Scandinavians liked to give fancy names to their kings, my favourite is Harald Bluetooth, Gorm succesor

What old hands consider boring for newcomers to LOS will still be gate to heaven warranting sweat and space discomfort inside their undies

you are both smart, you did not fall in his trap of 400 and he was obviously trying to cash on his good looks - free market so why not. I can imagine somebody new to Pattaya and little drunk carried over and paying that much. As for prohibition for photos inside of bars I think it's good idea, last thing many people need is their face on somebody else's photo taken inside of bar and posted on the facebook. Has nothing to do with debauchery, more with keeping private affairs private as it's nobody's business how and where one spends vacations/weekends e.t.c. And for 27th time thank you for keeping us entertained with your adventures