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I did not want to make to lengthy post and wanted to include girls so opted for all -inclusive knee version, political correctness running amok, my fault

forum very active this morning / evening, Hi everybody !

You are right but one can replace Thailand in your post with Mexico, Egypt or India and rest is as accurate. Many countries simply don't have road infrastructure to handle number of vehicles on the roads and corruption allows everybody and his sister to obtain a license without proper training. But it looks from other posts that as soon as one leaves BKK driving becomes pleasant and easy. Farang drivers are source of few accidents because they mistake girl's or boy's knee for gear lever.

Are you trying to inflame us here? What is your statistic sample so you venture with such an opinion ? Do what Christian did and tell us your stories so we may be warned. " Large percentage ' is pretty serious statement . As for me - 8 trips 1 week trips since 2001, almost always long time off for the night so possibilities of theft increasing with longer time and me inevitably falling asleep for hour or so -and never not only anything stolen but not even any hint they may be interested in looking in my staff. Firecact is talking about hundreds meetings with 1 snafu, rarely on forums one can see reports of thefts. Not saying it doesn't happen but for my personal use I feel safe with the boys . As for lies - as firecat noticed above it may be part of trade for both sides, they tell us we are handsome, we tell them they must be blind, but those are harmless lies. If boy promises to do something and doesn't deliver it may be deliberate lie to land a contract but also lack of chemistry or size / hygiene etc issues. But this is just misleading advertising - not a lie, all companies are doing this 8 days a week , 25 hours a day, turn your TV and watch the ads with all those dirty spots disappearing with wave of hand.

No, I just went there seconds ago , all looks good at least for visitor / I'm not member there /

They work hard to win , one must admit

I think in any setting - commercial/ non commercial, straight / gay etc. Thais prefer just to do it instead of talking about it , you rarely see any display of affection in public even among young people, at least this are my observations. Even fact that those dens of sin - Patpong, Nana and Cowboy , prominent yet somehow hidden from main street perspective is telling. As for Rogie's comment above about "making friends and allowing possibility ..." even with commercial sworn king/top boys on few occasions when long time offed I noticed that while early during convention there's no way even of toughing their lower behinds without some growling, if everything goes right and you seem to built some rapport with guy in the morning resistance is disappearing / to toughing , not actual act - for this more time and likely more money is necessary /

As ChristianPFC's adventure few weeks ago with drivers from Hualampong described on this forum attests to

I always like to leave driving to locals almost everywhere I have been. One can't drink and drive, right?

No surprise as even on this forum we seem to have kind of different opinions about the issue

60 DAYS ! Lucky you, it looks that soon you will be domesticated in Thailand ? Another week and off I go, hope to find something interesting to contribute although like Anonone I use to take very low tech approach to vacations, no laptops, phones just immense heater to make my own tea in the room at morning time. But there are reports that internet cafes are becoming trendy place to meet boys special, one more incentive to go there. And definitely will try to check the lead you left us here with pictures of 2 boys from A-Bomb, it would be waste of your 200 bht If nobody followed there

looks that they had a good time

I second that !

Long live Sanam Luang for putting ChristianPFC back on his foot. And again you managed to stir posting community which is good thing, too bad that case could not be defended but at least was discussed and as one can see summarily dismissed. Now cheer up with last night memories and start smelling roses again

firecat, you will be flying out soon I gather so safe arrival home, You had good vacation and we had even better thread .

You are chasing to many birds and it may show by your attitude detected by the boys or even news may spread. You may think you are anonymous while in fact community of availables / word just invented by me / on various internet sites may know you well, It may be also communication problems as boys may think they understand you and you may think you understand them but somehow you speak different music of the same language. Third reason may by their poor knowledge of BKK , culturally they will not admit but it may take time to find place in such a big city. Good people of Lichtenberg may have similar problem when going to Spandau so why you expect Thonburi guy know how to find a place in Lak Si. And do not assume that everybody knows where even most popular places as MBK or Nana are. As other mentioned it may also be indication of poor interest in you and Thais are not known for blunt ' no 'statements, so it may be their way of giving a hint. You are serious contender for title of Master Popular Poster on various Gay Thailand sites but with tittle of the post above, you may diminish your chances as it sounds offensive and un-called for. Those are normal boys with lax attitude to time and poor orientation in the big city but they are making for it in smile, smooth skin and neatness not to mention other attributes and no need to repay them with 'retards' tittles. We like our boys for what they are so it may be an idea to consider to narrow your expectancies and settle down a bit instead of trying to jump from flower to flower with full stomach making flight unstable and bumpy. Treat yourself , not frustrate Generally speaking if setting meeting with anybody anywhere I let them to pick up place instead of suggesting what I would prefer thus increasing chance they will know the place. Then is this statement I found in your post :"then you lead a shitty miserable life like mine where nothing matches". Do you seriously summarize your life like that? Strange statement for one born in affluent society, well educated with experience of living in at least four different countries, with job paying enough so you can generate a surplus by your own admission in one of your highly readable posts , and as a bonus able to go through as many fucks as heart and this other thing desires. Honestly I think you father should fly there, unbuckle his belt right at Swampy and spank you there so you start counting your blessings instead of stressing yourself with boy going to the wrong bookstore. I don't have boy late for meeting stories as I spent my vacations very low tech and with no phones, laptops, i-somethings, e-mails etc no hair rising stories, time saved this way I rather spent on the street admiring boy's behinds and entertaining myself with guessing what they are hiding behind the zippers at front. Instead of chasing boys I just go where they are-everywhere

Nothing wrong with his looks, good for you and good for him. Nice to finish good vacations with even better encounter.

As one of those people for whom Sept 11 is not as much anniversary of bombing of World Trade Center as anniversary of bloody Pinochet's coup in Chile in 1973 I'm signing your statement above with both hands ! Yes, sometimes forceful removal of people in power my be good thing but it should not be dressed as defense of democracy neither as exercise of saving nation from itself. I don't have much an idea if Thaksin was good or bad leader but can help not to notice that his power was sneakily stolen from him and no pleasurable case can be made that country or it's people were made visibly better by this theft.

Lesson learned- when visiting somebody in order to check his stamp collection is not a bad idea to drop by 7/11 and pick up roll of paper towels. always can be explained that you need it for one's own place to avoid face loss. Plastic mattresses in Thai climate may be handy to clean but definitely not pleasant as bed surface. Again not a bad idea to accept invitation to see somebody in his place just to learn few new things.

May be something is in the works but not finalized yet and they did not know what to say. I will be staying there in 3 weeks hope by that time we may know

Farmers from remote corners of country by majority vote may force issue to be implemented , right or wrong. This is price for democracy. As long as I remember Thaksin was not voted out of office but removed by a coup . So we either believe in democracy , all bells and whistles included or we believe in democracy if suits us but if does not than all of the sudden we are falling in love with other "saviors". This was my point

With recent report somewhere that quite a few Asian ladies are looking for possible offs in Soi Twilight bars shortly we may have similar discussion " is Hot Male gay bar ? "

I like rumor about it being converted to multi-storey ladyboys bar better. Next one will be likely that LCR will be converted to a monastery aiming to salve both sides of whoring masses there

I did not mean to inflame you by stating your post is opinionated , nothing wrong with that. I simply meant that you have strong opinion on the subject. I don't live in Thailand to answer your question and probably never will , if only for reason of heat as I have very low tolerance of / I mean air temperature, not one of discussion /. Whatever one thinks about Thaksin I can not see why it can't be agreed with his statement about future generations forced to be living in country battered by squabbling politicians. This holds true not only in Thailand but also in USA , Bangladesh and plenty other 50/50 countries. Fact that we do not agree with somebody don't automatically means that we should rubbish everything person says. By 'admirers of their sons' I meant distinguished readers and contributors of this board who , unless living there permanently like you, should stay away from taking sides in Thai politics we understand very little and likely care about not much more - again this is for Thais to sort it out, including long term resident who are by those politics affected. And for every opinion expressed by the Nation or Bangkok Post is always another one expressed by some farmers in remote corner of Issan who votes too

You are right, best music is silence. My apologies if I offended anybody by the statement above