vinapu

I think is fear of travel to places with different culture and language. Most people are comfortable only in places they know and if they venture abroad it's for organized trips - not an option for somebody planning on whoring. And to go to developing country - they may have impression they will be sleeping on floor , eating fried insects and taking shower only once a week for lack of running water. So porn and hand seems more secure and comfortable for them

I'm glad I can second your opinion about Dreamboys, great show, great line up of boys and friendly servers/mamasans. Said this already that unfortunately I see reason why their prices are higher than other bars in soi. So you are a saying you rather treat yourself with extra drink than a boy day before Christmas Eve? I'm shocked,must have a drink ! . LOL

Congratulations, he looks like a gem. Mistake likely was made by those who offed other boys and overlooked this one. This is what I call joy of discovery, I do not ask any questions about performance and preferences, just go with my guts and see what happens. Not always works but experience counts too. If you say you never get less and enjoyed more reason for that is one : CHEMISTRY and this is much scarcer that good sexual compatibility. Merry Christmas firecat! PS. I see boy is one of those who already had motorbike accident /scar on his back /

As you said , 57 soup varieties and there's something for everybody. I used to give bar wide miss and in few trips in row did not visit them even once. Recently somehow I noticed I like visit them not as much for shows , more for an atmosphere , just sitting with boy I brought with me or one picked up from the line and watching bar goings makes for good fun. May be age shows? As a source of boys massage places are where my companions are coming from by far and success rate is much higher than for bar boys . In November I noticed few very handsome freelancers offering their services on Patpong side of Suriwong, did not explore this "soup" but likely will try next time.

It looks that we will have another great thread about your Thailand's exploits. Waiting for your Classic bar impression because I was not that impressed in Nov as well and wonder if it was bad luck, bad eyesight or I'm just too focused on bigger boys.

As much as mood may be festive I'd stay away from all big political gatherings in any country of the world, Thailand included. Crowd is crowd and it's mood may swing out of control. So you are trying to tell me that white hair looks ugly ? Where's my baseball bat? Who has body of death? Nop or his maestro? Most important , you are off to good start so enjoy your Christmas time in BKK !

He must be on and off, I visited both bars in November and did not see him in any, not that I specifically looked for him but would notice if he was present as he is muscled man and all boys were twinks and next door type. Keep visiting bars and posting your findings like you promised please

As long as I'm concerned 100% agree. Making direct contact helps to fish out those who may appeal to us but we don't appeal to them - lack of smile or eye contact is good indicator encounter will not work if only one side is interested and another is doing it just for money. Exception will be real professionals , usually I see them in massage places and they are straights. They do not show much interest while in line but when chosen they know how to search for right button to make client happy. But bottom line is the same - you have a chance to see boy face to face / and a bit more / before making decision.

I already mentioned it somewhere on this forum but I suspect that Thai beauty shows better in the flesh than on the photos. I'm not on GR and likes but happen to know few boys from massages websites and all of them look better in person. Wonder it others have the same impression ? I'm one of those who think that nothing helps to decide if boy is the right one better than being in bar ,had him sitting with me and placing hand on his knee or thigh. Yes it cost price of drink but who said that sin must be cheap?

You are right, at not time I'd say that crossing other side of border is any better. Once I was charged duty on half full bottle of vodka on basis that I did not spent 48 hours outside of country which is required for duty free import of alcohol. I'm pretty sure that Europeans reading this thread are puzzled what we are talking about as most of them are crossing, say Germany to Poland the same way like New Yorkers crossing 42th street from Grand Central

On my way from work I was thinking about PM to you as I was worried about few days silence since you arrived but now we know - 2 months , this will be long Christmas in Thailand! Enjoy every second there and spoil all the boys as much as you can afford. Your Vassa comment reminded me what I missed / where's my a rope ? / Merry Christmas to you and your boys ! I don't expect Christmas Day but is New Year day public holiday in Thailand?

Best way to skip all the hassle of questions and search is to pick up another country to visit unless one is an American , than there's no choice , everybody needs to come home at times. Sorry if I sound bitter but read my post # 83 to find why

My father used to say 'prostitution is work like any other but at least is not dusty'. As for effort you are not entirely right , I recall quite a few who tried pretty hard plus we need to consider that not all clients are as nice as we , posters here, are and boys need to put up with some nasties too

third picture -Petrodvorets near St Petersburg, Russia?

Merry Christmas to you too, thank you for the heart warming video and welcome to the forum

I look at it almost daily, don't read much , only topics of interest to me but that blog is wealth of information and plenty of eye candy too, he is not always right but this can be said about all of us, Another blog I check daily is ChristianPFC 's, he put lots of staff of interest for ordinary tourist , not just gay

We are the same, frequently you see posts when posters know they paid over the odds but are happy with performance and do not have any regrets about money spent, more, rightly they fight nails and teeth if somebody dares to question their spending patterns- see this very thread. I think both sides are looking for fun, those few who are concerned about deal side only than are sitting sad over glass of water in Pattaya bars or bitching about greedy boys and spendthrift farangs on various forums.

At times when you have them it's still misleading. Look doesn't translate to performance or everything works fine until at end boy demands out of sky compensation and we have a scene. Or dressed boy becomes different personality than one in speedos on stage if you recall my misadventure with one of Dreamboys boys. But that's the thrill of discovery .

It looks it's on and off with mamasans in Classic, in May I was impressed for they were friendly and not pushy at all. In November both of them were so pushy for tips that I resorted to my rarely used trick and tipped one of them 1 baht, to his credit he got a message ans smiled. I had a drink for myself and boy sitting with me so not that I was abusing system . Never lose hope, I had cases when boy demanded taxi money which I never give and even when declined he still expressed desire to see me again. It's what we said above, trying for more rarely hurts them

I understand what you are saying but I was crossing by car and I carry passport of US friendly country , not Sudanese or North Korean

That's correct attitude - move your business to place you like more. But there may be people who don't like sleaze in soi 6 bars, may not be brave enough to cruise Saranrom in dark without ability to speak Thai / no to mention ability to run fast is somebody attacks them with knife like happened to certain Christian / and find Pattaya cheap but boring . I think we tend to underestimate attractiveness of soi Twilight to casual visitors, if you pass through it every few days you may not look at the place like somebody who flied half way through the globe and finds himself in place like no other in the whole world. Their willingness to pay may be different than old hands who know half of the soi by name and dick shape. Whether prices are realistic or not this is issue to be sorted by bars and they really know what is going on in their cash register. I suspect you mat be correct that number of offs is low as on my last trip I visited all bars in soi with Dreamboys multiple times plus Jupiter and Screwboys , spent at least 2 hours inside of each one plus I was dining daily at either Maxi's or Dick's and must say I did not see much traffic of farangs marching out with boys . Granted I always left soi no later than 11 p.m. so possibly there's more of it late in the night. Only time will show if ours or bar owners assessment of business is correct. As for what tip money is going to we had nice thread about it in the summer. But I walked with three of my long time offs to their bus stop on Silom or San Yan MRT so not all of them taxi hoppers. At end of day is not our business what they do with money they extracted from us although it would be nice if we were sure it went to productive use. But I guarantee many of our grandmothers are rolling in the grave when they see where our hard earned money goes to when we are in Thailand, whoring , boozing and shopping for things we don't need. On personal note I need to admit that I'm convert to soi Twilight, eschewing it for years not as much because prices , more that I did not like pressure from barkers when passing by and always had better traction with massage than go-go boys . Recently I noticed I like whole atmosphere, from dead silence in the morning through hustle and bustle later on with lots of eye candy which can be observed for free or as ad-on to the dinner. On issue of prices there I tend to let it go as it is but for me is easy - only 4 overnight offs from bars as opposite to 10 massage boys. What I found and already expressed in other post is that I see logic in higher off fee at Dreamboys as I found both their line- up and show better than in other bars. I think somebody should tell me ' shut up vinapu'

Trailrider be nice to firecat. I already thanked you for starting such interesting thread. No need to be belligerent. When we start any topic and formulate any opinion we need to be prepared that it will be challenged, right or wrong , specially such sensitive topic like money and how people are using it. English is only my third language but if you go to OP you'll see you used word 'should' twice in the last paragraph hence some readers could have read it as request not just suggestion IMVHO / v stands for very /

Speaking about stupid questions by US border service. In beginning of July I was entering USA to attend my friend funeral, barrage of questions included : ' you are renting or living in your own home' and ' whom you are living with at home". Compare it to landing in any European country where usually question is 'how are you" In Soviet times I was in USSR four times, none of entry subjected my to even remotely similar investigation. I wonder if Americans realize how much their cherished freedoms are curbed in recent years and how brainwashed they become if they think this is right?

I gladly pay BKK prices to BKK boys and consider premium over PTY prices as a fee for living , even for week or two in such exciting city, I was bored in Rome, New York and London but never ever in Bangkok

Thai uses double decker A-380 on BKK -Narita leg, now we know why