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so you are saying that having a coffee and having a sex are the same or similar things? forget about age, if we re-phrase this question : so "old men 'having a coffee with his sister / mother is OK but sex is not ? how we answer? do we really need to seek guidance on such a question, in Thailand or elsewhere. I'm not sure I understood quoted statement correctly

That's right and some have guts to ask if Thais are smart people, right?

Christian, missing but not forgotten. Thank you for bringing it up. In May I spied very handsome masseur at Lomchoey and In November tried to go there but cute Kao from Magic Hands , few steps before Lomchoey stole the show, could not resist and never regretted. For those not familiar with BKK soi Ngham Duplee is where famous Malaysia Hotel is.

If you arrive early during day you can have a massage, I'd pick up Bangkok Masage or Bonny also in soi Twilight - boys are waiting for clients outside so you can see the offer before deciding . Easier than wade in to Hero, Senso or FanClub where you may feel intimidated inside will all those beauties smiling at you and counting that they will be chosen ones After that stay in soi where you have 8 go-go bars, 4 beer bars ,3 massage places and 2 restaurants to choose. Pick up one of go-go bars , go to see the show, arrive 1/2 hour earlier so you can pick up boy from the line , invite him to sit with you during show , buy him a drink , be prepared to tip him 100-200 baht for his time. If you get horny off him to check your stamp collection in your hotel or short time room / Suriwong holtel or BBB Inn /. After that you will be seasoned pro and ready to make your own choices. This is advice I got before my first trip years ago , just venues were partially different . It served me well

what do you mean 'finally ' , do you think coup will resolve anything other than possibly increasing demands for coffins for a few days and calming few hot heads for while ?

nice to see you back in regular , not depressed form ! As long as I'm concern small dick is OK as long as is attached to nice face and body

as long as economically lower classes are provided with opportunity of improvement and half-decent life gaps in income are tolerated and capitalistic system understood it very well as long as was threatened by challenge from communism. When communism collapsed under it's own weight greed seems to be prevailing, looks us economically upper classes forgot what is in their best interest -social peace to make even more money. Younger generation in the West looks as first to expect to have lower standard of life than their parents working part-time contracts at age when their parents were mostly settled with permanent positions and careers. Add to this challenge from new technologies and it's possible we will see more Thailand type upheavals closer to home in near future , God forbid

greedy and scheming supposed- to- be- lovers are not endemic to Thailand, they are everywhere. Thai boys just happen to be easier available as country has reputation as gay Mecca and draws us from all over. Mixture of lust and guilt makes us more susceptible to open wallets so some are taking advantage of situation and creating skillfully holes shayatfirst and others falling in and doing it willingly and with pleasure before is too late. Two happy endings here - shayatfirst finally came to his senses or so it looks like and traveller123 story confirms that decency can be found everywhere and Thai boys are as decent as as any others, thanks God they have less body hair and softer skin though !

Finally !, and make sure you really did, forget about everything and just move on

Great advice, I would add Om Yim, BBB INN, Take-a-Nap, all three budget friendly and Malaysia- bit further away but great value for money

Strictly adhere to Alexx advice above, chalk off your loss as there's no way of recovering anything, sounds harsh but this is what it is. Cut off all contacts, do not count his sms , phone calls, e-mails etc, just erase everything without even looking into it, hang off the phone, change number if you need to. Sooner you forget about him and your loss better for you, your soul and your pocket. Avoid any contact as you may be tricked again- in this relationship you know who was smart and who was not, sorry for being blunt but you asked questions so answers are flowing. As consolation think that you helped poor Thai family to lift them out of poverty so you earned merits and hope your karma will improve. Sounds cynical and sarcastic but I actually believe in what i said. As for places to go since you don't want o go to Pattaya or CM, Phuket is too expensive and in neighboring countries gay life is not developed as in LOS, stay in BKK, rent an apartment for a month for 15000 and you will never be bored, guaranteed.

congratulations firecat, he is adorable, I'd fall for this smile even if he is not exactly my body type, reminds me those cute boy types populating massage places along Silom Bkkmfj, can't wait for your Pattaya report, I was not that impressed in November but now from distance of time I have second thoughts and suspect I was too harsh on the place, firmly decided to return next time and likely for longer than just 2 days I spent there last time

don't worry and just go, have you eyes open for developments though

judging by your picture above rest assured you don't although make sure you wear something anyways , no nudity allowed

I like your statement very much, thank you. It should be added that moral age of consent can't be lower than legal age. Somebody on this board once wisely said that is not engaging with boy he would have second thoughts about being seen on busy street with in broad daylight, another wise man claimed that is not going with boy he feels he needs to check his birthday on ID. And this is not only for fear of breaking law but should come out of common decency as SpermAholic suggested.

few years ago when booking in BBB Inn youngish farang in front of me was negotiating extending his stay for that day since his flight was leaving late at night or early in the morning next day. Later on he sat beside me at one of those upstairs bars / Hotmale or X-size, not Dreamboys /, we even exchanged few words ,during show he invited boy to sit with him and was getting pretty intimate with him at times, after show he did not tip boy promising to off him next evening instead fully knowing he will be leaving in few hours. But there's happy ending to that story, going downstairs he misstep, felled down, did not hurt himself but broke his glasses , obviously boy's Guardian Angel was pissed off with that mischievous farang. To this day I feel uneasy about this as I think I should somehow intervene either by shaming him in front of boy or at least slip boy 100 baht

for stay I'd recommend Silom area over Sukhumvit, both connected well to BTS, more gay venues in Silom with Soi Twilight being crown jewel with 8 go-go bars on 100 m stretch. Sukhumvit area is better for shopping and dining. Four places you mentioned are three shopping malls and one market - Bangkok malls are fabulous and Chatuchak is huge but are you sure you want spend your days shopping ? Don't worry about finding BTS - this is overhead rail impossible to miss, actually pretty ugly sight but immensely useful.

This is our side of story but I guess younger boys would have plenty stories about older men who got bored and dumped them for newer modes too.

Hero is a must for all massage lovers who are into well built guys, not too many twinks if any though. This type of guys are usually willing and talented tops. You should not be disappointed , when selecting boy go with your eyes and guts rather than our recommendations as everybody's preferences are slightly different, some also are more demanding and others less so. Have limited trust in what mamasans are saying as well as they may be steering you to boy of their choice not yours. Good attitude you have will help you to enjoy boyscapade - if something doesn't work, just keep trying and always look at full half of glass, if boy is dud at least enjoy his body, bulge or face or whatever prompted you to choose him at first place. And as xiluzer on his last day at Senso keep in mind at times it may be us as reason things did not work , not our boys

I know but I was typing that post while looking in the mirror LOL

Funny thing, my straight friend who returned from Thailand last Sunday and by sheer coincidence was following your route had exactly the same comment on Koh Samui. Great report, my curiosity about the place satisfied thanks to you , Michael may be right great place just for a weekend with a boy special although my suspicion will be that they preferred weekend at Terminal 21 with generous allowance instead Samui air fare

I think certain degree of disappointments is included in joy of boy hunting in LOS. What we imagine based on other's impressions not necessarily bears fruit in reality. I started feel sorry for you guys above when I realized I was victim of my own eyes hunting three days in row for Dreamboy boy, landing two great guys in meantime and when finally my dream come true, dreams were shattered faster than one can say ' fuck you'. See my "off to Thailand post " if interested in other's misfortunes. Bottom line is : be prepared that things will not work as our imagination wishes and don't allow shattered illusions to spoil your Thai vacations, there are many of handsome boys smiling at us and no need to dwell on those who did not. After all they have their own feelings and fact that we are salivating over them doesn't mean they need to feel the same. My receipt for disaster in to have trusted consolators / Namu from Bangkok massage and Dit from Arena /, good looking but not stunners and I feel secure I can always book one of them for warm encounter without any fireworks turning into burns in my hour of being pissed off.

buckbee, I don't think theres' buckbee I don't think this is what contributors thought, rather you case was used by posters a base for wider reflections about relationship between two guys with substantial difference in age. We wish you well and may be some are even a little jealous but certainly are keeping that feeling for themselves

Lucky you, best compliment I got from my HERO boy on this trip is that "you have lots of hair like monkey", sure I rewarded his honesty with extra tip even if I'm not THAT hairy. Great report from last day, in line with all previous day's reports, you deserved our compliments. I'm glad your friend had good time with Man at FanClub , your are true friend that you left him with his dreams, no harm done. Man is great guy and deserves all publicity he has , always full money worth from him. Your adventure at Senso proves advantage of butterflying to avoid awkward situations like having to face boy we had another day without intention of offing him today, it's why usually I try to visit each place only once on every trip and if I go more than once I usually clear air before by telling boy I butterfly and next time it won't be him or even better , having massage with one and taking out another one, approach I took in Arena on last trip. Why you torment yourself with desire to finish your trip with big bang ?.It would be nice for sure but if trip was good last night won't spoil it, at least not for me. On my last three trips my last night encounters were not that good / good boy and performance but wanted more money after receiving over the odds tip already,gave him extra for taxi , next handsome boy and no performance , still wanting more money, did not get anything other than his tip, last time good boy and performance but awkward situation in the morning as clearly he was expecting much more than I offered him and 3000 for long time is not a stingy tip, right? / but I did not allow to judge trip by last night only. For your fixation with P at Senso cost you stress , wasted money and likely stressed Mr. V who was wondering what's wrong with this non-responsive farang. Did not you have situation before than missing boy of you dreams resulted with unexpected discovery of another gem? Now because of you I need to hunt three Senso boys as added P to my list along with M and Win but as you said end is new beginning , never hurts to dream about next steps. Congratulations on having such a great vacations I know the feeling and exactly from the same place as wanted to see M or Win when last time here but none was present so settled for Chai and had lots of fun, left Senso disappointed yet happy at the same time.

and air is a little hazy