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Boy is cute but you should be better dressed and not a such cheap Charlie so you can afford decent underwear instead of using leaf . We are no longer living on the trees anymore , you know?

I found that personal lubricants are 120 in PTY versus 99 in BKK so you are right with 'most ' instead of all

When trying to threw out long time off from Dreamboys for non existing performance with 1000 baht offer he called mamasan and she wanted me to pay him 'short time rate of 1500" so it looks it is what is expected by boys in BKK nowadays / still he left with 1000 only/. Another long time off from that bar wanted 3000 in the morning, got it but only because I thought he deserved it and liked a boy anyways and was prepared to pay that amount, others I pay 2500 plus 500 bonus only in case when they are undressing and are sporting hard on already before I tough them. Boy from Adonis Massage where I was requested by the manager to pay tip of 1500 up front seemed nicely surprised when I top this with another 1000 in the morning, well it was exactly noon. He got actually 1500 as bonus was applicable. No money were discussed through whole process. Boy from Bonny Massage offed for long time at agreed rate 2500 could stay with me 3 hours only and suggested 1500 for his trouble. Boy from Arena wanted 5000 minimum in the morning but went away with 3000 / 2500+500 bonus/ not happy but without resistance other than suddenly deciding not to have breakfast with me. Where such high unheard of rate he picked up from is not known to me. I suspect another boy from the same venue told him he got 5000 from me without explaining it was for 2 long time offs.

I have not a happy experience with both long time offs in PTY last week, it seemed all they wanted to do was just to sleep without any disturbance from me. I think it must be clearly negotiated beforehand what is expected in terms of in the bed behavior and when boy will be allowed to go to get long time rate. Lesson learned by me kind of hard and expensive way, still great and warm bodies though.

As for changing ,money in the BKK airport-rate is the same in every single counter BUT WITH ONE EXCEPTION: last counter before you enter trains area, it will be on your right. It seems this area doesn't belong to airport since uniform rate is not adhered to there , rather they have Silom/ Sukhumvit street rate, This was case in may and the same on Nov 11th when I arrived. So wait until you are almost to board the train. Caution-they may not be opened 24 hrs so it may not work when you arrive post midnight. I was there 9.45p.m. and they were opened, airport rate was 30.00, they had 31.22. Not much difference if you are exchanging 100 USD but quite a bit if we are talking 1000.

I like current color scheme if you ask me, bright bold colors are good for advertising but hard on eyes to read and write IMHO, I like bigger smileys proposal, hate zombie's rainbow square / sorry , nothing personal zombie / proposal, but it's just me

Jet lag fought traditional way-forced myself to carry on throughout the day, went to bed about normal time, slept night through and is seems I'm over with it. It's 50 / 50 for me, first his hands on me , then other way around after massage done. At Banana there's no room to sit outside as it is on the corner of busy soi 11 and a narrow sub soi whatever it is. Both times I was there in the late afternoon, on Thursday only few boys , Monday 10 days later trice as much, did not count as spotted one I came for right away. So can't advise about good time , each of my 2 times may be statistic aberration either way. Lobby inside is pretty big so boys are not in your face in case you don't like anybody but I agree it's awkward to come and leave empty handed. I guess they saw it all already so wouldn't worry but I like it there. I saw actually quite a few places where you don't have boys sitting outside- all three places in City Court / Candle , Sawadtee and Sanctuary by A / Adonis, Aqua, Uniman , Guy Spa, all of them you need to enter to see boys available. Eh, those were fabulous 15 days !

They took you for a ride like all of us from time to time, With Boyz Boyz Boyz you were generous but if you were happy nothing wrong with you. Scandic / now Boy Club / boy was too greedy , 800 was massage fee and 1000 was supposed to be given to boy by the shop, anything on top of this would be warranteed only if negotioated but everything over 2000 would be good long time rate for PTY , may be too high even. As consolation don't worry I overpaid too. I gave 1500 to boy from Abomb for very good but 1 hr only performance/ time agreed beforehand /, he took it but did not seem overly excited with amount so may be even PTY is moving to this range Dreamboys short time rate is 1500, I was told this by mamasan during my unhappy interaction with the # 31. I kicked boy with 1000, he wanted 1500 as short rate , called mamasan who told me the same but I did not yield a baht. See my post. A for 2500 / 3000 it depends you were with him short or long time / overnight / 2500 would be norm for long time it seems. My boy also wanted 3000 and he got it but it was long long time and he worked hard for his money , believe me . I look at things of overpaying not as much as what norm is but if I get value for money. I'd rather pay more and enjoy time than pay less and enjoy a savings.

And this is the last update, early Monday afternoon I decided to check former B&N, now called Uniman massage in Korea city , soi 12 on Sukhumvit close to Asok BTS. Raise your head when inside the building , you will see banner on the 4 th floor , take elevator up there and is easy to find . At 2 p.m quite a few boys available all good looking, HERO type boys. Picked up one with broadest shoulders and smile, happen to be the same boy, Art. Great massage , I asked for a strong one before such a long flight. Lots of chemistry built up but unfortunately too late to invite him for overnight session he said would be willing to consider gladly. Surely next time, I missed this , my fault. Left in very good mood and with some time available decided to kiss good bye to Tau at Banana in the soi 11. I liked his massage last week and of course asked for repeat. I like the boy , his boss and the place. This time quite a big selection of boys , last time there were only 6 , now more than dozen. Some may wonder if I'm not overmassaged or even making this up , but no , I just like the stuff both for body benefit / I barely slept those 2 weeks and still feeling good day after day / and for a thrill of this moment when boy's hands start wandering here and there. Another great massage and missed long lime off opportunity , reason to return. Between 7-8 dining at Maxi's with my perennial consolator Namu from Bangkok boys across the soi, hoping one our our posters will show up but he did not , my fault likely as I left him message about my plans way too late. Then again last last massage by him , short one so some time was left for a mutual feeling of each other. I just like the boy and I landed him in May just a by rotation assignment. Chemistry thing, with 2 long time offs , massage at my room in the first night, at Bangkok Masage today and almost daily wai/ handshaking in the soi he had plenty of opportunities to ask me for this or that but never did. 20 minutes were enough for me to pack, BTS from Sala Daeng to Phaya Thai, 10 p.m. express to Swamp and at 0.15left LOS for the 9 th time after longest stay there ever. Will create separate post about my impressions of places but need to fight jet lag first. If even only one of you found my posts interesting or informative that my time typing them was well used.

Actually when connecting in Seoul last night had a good look at Samsung 8" at the Incheon airport, looks sleek. As for nosy hotel staff and guests I don't mind looking back and saying none of your business when asked / actually did quite a few times/ but still don't like scrutiny. As for guest looks at the tables in hotels and restaurants it's just fine, on this trip on quite a few occasion I had those approving winks, including 2 from ladies so no problem.

Christian , reasons for hotel hopping are two : first butterfly by heart I guess, like to try new places, as travel lightly moving is no problem for me. Second, in smaller hotels particularly , I don't want be object of unnecessary staff attention a to my and my company comings and goings, for example few days ago staff at BBB was interested why I left boy in the room and went away / to pick up bag I left at Balcony and was back in less than 10 minutes/ To all, this is my last post from BKK , next update from home as my plane leaves at midnight and still want to spent sme time at soi Twilight, see boy special for the last time and pack, this is easy part. If Korean Air crashes somewhere tonight wish me good rest in the next world

Back to updates. Saturday evening went to Soi Twilght and decided to try anoher massage place based there XSize massage. Felt adventurous so grabbed first in line, diminutive Cambodian. Delivered surprisingly strong massage and offered extras equally fast but I declined, opting for some hugging and caressing instead. Getting more intimate with somebody who looks and feels like my best friend grandson was beyond my abilities. At 9.p.m. James was waiting for me downstairs from Arena, gave him 700 for off fee so he can pay them tomorrow and we went for a dinner and then to Dreamboys for as how again. For me is like entering den of lion after misadventures described above but decided to make a peace, tipped both #31 and #83 100 baht each to show that I do not harbor hard feelings After show back to Pavilion Hotel for night of fun. It ended surprisingly uneasy on departure in the morning. Decided to offer generous 3000 tip and clearly boy was disappointed to a point of being lost or he is good actor. He told 5000 minimum but I firmly told him I pay what is on the tab and he relented but declined to go for a breakfast with me. What surprises me is where his expectancy would be coming from, did his coworker DIT lied to him about size of my tips for some reason? I understand he may be trying to get more but facial expression did not lie, certainly he was disappointed like hell and was expecting more or did not expect any resistance from me and this was what disappointed him that I did not allow to be taken for a ride. Still great guy and great company but definitely next time I off boy for short or long time fee will be firmly negotiated and announced before we will go. Since this s last day decided to go a little touristy - took BTS to Saphan Taksin and at 9.45 boarded boat to Grand Palace. Did not go there but took long stroll back home visiting ChristianPFC famous hunting ground at Saranrom Park. Obviously no sing of boys that early. Long stloll along Charoen Krung and exactly at 11.45 was back on the Saphan Taksin's platform. Obviously all those massages are working as it's quite a distance to cover in 90 minutes or so. Nice to surprise myself.

I'm taking off at midnight today and after return home will try to summarize my findings about hotels, bars, massages etc. You are right about having private access to internet but my fear always is I will be spending too much time interneting and e-mailing neglecting vacation side of vacations. Will consider Samsund 7" as advised. If you are using Om Yim stay there, nothing wrong and safe in the room was working / was not at Tarntawan/ Boy from Playboy massage showed me an internet cafe on 2nd floor next to their shop. All based at Silom will find location convenient. Typing this right now and staring at the boy beside surfing GayRomeo .

Time is easy as I devoted this trip to the pleasures of flesh skipping sightseeing, shopping and other turisty stuff. But finfding internet cafee is not easy , some hotels / Tarntawan, BBB INN / have free internet , Malaysia has paid one / 40 bht /hr/ but Om Yim and Pavillion Place in Patpong has none. At noon moved from BBB INN to Pavillion Place , right in Patpong , exactly above Screwboys. Price the same range like Malaysia or Om Yim but I'm not that impressed . lets say adequate, Just one night / tonight / but I need room for whole day tomorrow as my flight leaves at midnight so did not want to pay 1320 at BBB Inn just for half day use plus I like changing places. As for joys of Patpong you can't do better location wise. As promised checked another one of Silom places , this time Playboys, went for twink with smile sitting outside. Did not eat today by his admission and it was 3 p. m. but when suggested extras and I partially agreed and a tip was set he worked on me vigorously sporting an impressive appendage delivering quite a load, I'm telling . For a boy of such a small stature quite a surprise and his girfriend must be happy. This is pretty big , multi storey place on Sala Daeng side of Silom close to the Rama end. Quite a few cuties always on the street on duty, looks could keep one occupied for a while. All appoinment conducted with utmost discretion with whispers and of course no showering together at all. I start falling in love with those supposedly staright massage places as it looks possibility of surprises is abundant. May be will try another one tomorrow as good bye kiss. Still hope to land one today and have an arrangement made with James from Arena for the last night in BKK.

So now we are in Saturday update, not much time as I left bed and a boy at noon. Early afternoon to Arena, to secure my night stand with Dit one of my trusted consolators. Set but for actual massage I took James ,muscular boy I saw last May. He improved greatly with mody mass, shed any fat remaining but cheerful as before. Great to talk to as well. Massage great but poor choice of cream of my side -milk cream , smells like ice cream. Set an appointment for Sunday with James for long time off and promised to pick up Dit at 9 p.m. in the evening. Sounds awkward but is not, boys are talking about their customers and obviously James was updated on me. And thet know butterfly mode. Next step little later was to support massage boys from my very own BBB Inn, picked up Noi, skinny twink but somehow attrcative to me. Good massage, versatile boy, entertaned himself more with watching porn on my TV than my carcass but we parted our ways happy. Masages at BBB Inn are a bit awkward if you stay there, you get 20 % but in exchange ensurance that all hotel will know of what you like in bed, where you short , cheap Charlie or sucker for big tips and so on. Evening stroll through Silom and Patpong , moments og horror as I just busted my budget and wanted to teke some money from Visa, tried 3 cards and it did not work / worked next morning so all good/ Took Dit off and second time in row Arena did not charge me off fee, likely because I had massage earlier today and Dit was scheduled till 9 only, but still nice gesture and savings of 700 for me. Traditional routine, dinner and show before room. We went to Balcony in soi 4, soi very crowded on Saturday night but I did not like it at all, not my crowd , not my scene, Soi Twilight prefere 10 times over Soi 4. Sorry if offended anybody but rerst assured chances I will take a sit at your favourite table are minimal. For show to Jupiter, usulal their standard., not much of nudity but few glimpses of erect cocks, bar very crowded with young Asian ccrowd and lots of adventirous ladies in attendance. Then back to hotel with interruption of mne going back to Balcony where I left my bag, nothing there but they found it anf kept for me, tipped 100 baht for trouble. As with trusted and time tested friends no shocking news from encounter with Dit , all according to previously scripted specification, great guy and my great company. Breakfast at Foodland Patpong, good deal they have , American breakfast for 59 baht befire 9 a.m. And plenty of Thai food for Dit to choose too , will ber leaving BBB Inn in 12 minutes to need to finish but we are already on Sunday, my second last day before returniung to slavery.

You are in shackles now , you just don't know it and good for you. As long as you know you are not boss anymore lots of happy times ahead for both of you, my best for you

My input will be, go with boys want to ensure they enjoy time with you nad themselves. I'd go for 4 hands massage again but threesome may be in next life only but again , each one looks for different spices for his meal.

One thought here , recommendations are great but we still need to go by our own guts. Some of my boys would impress very few and the same goes other way around, what is music for some it's just noise for others / jazz for me for example/

Heavier burden the better as I like manly boys. I enjoyed all of my encounters bar one as previously described. Some flops but still good boys , sometimes it's just lack of chemisty and proper professional behaviour of their part otr may be me, ugly farang, who knows. As for 4 hands I acted on urge to try new approach, in my particular case was worth it, boys co-operated greaty on me and sent me to high heaven, even now two days later I smile typing that. Will do it again but rather prefere one on one encounters. Did not mind to pay two tips and increased shop fee. My advice is starndard one -just try and see. But definitely do what I did and ask on eboy to select another one or mamasan dop this for you. It may be disaster if you go for looks and boys will not be compatible with each other going just for money. I know it looks my time was very structured but in reality was not, If I see attractive boy I just try to secure my place in line, it why all those appoiontments. I don't haver any complaints about Pattya massages, as good as in BKK, just offs were flops but all Magnolia, Derby , Copa and Boys Club in Boyztown have good selection of boys and was glad to patronize all four. Economy wise boys and bars did great with me, restaurants so, so, I'm not big eater. Shopping wise complete lack of contribution with 3 durable goods purchsed to take home, shorts, belt and suitcase as zipper broke in one I brought with me.

Definitely BKK over Pattya for me and it has nothing to do with boys, I just like big city life, period. In PTY if you remove night time activities not much left for me do do but definitely I will be trying to go back, missed few recommended bars unfortunately. If you are Russian you have me on your side, at least in those 2 days I did not found any base for some coplaints about Russians in Pattaya, I think is all BS. I found them well behaved and good spenders, just can smile a bit more, otherwise are bliending in with all those sombre farangs. As for websites keep in mind often pictures of atendees are not up to date, sometimes it's good thing . Arena boys all look better in the flesh than on their website for example. Lots of Thais are actually looking younger than their pictures show. I'm for muscle boys but costantly found myself in the company of twinks so preferences are one thing and what life brings , another.

what I have is a limit of 400$ on daily transaction without confirmation so even if skinned alive it won't be as painful

I'm glad you liked it, slowly my trip here is coming to an end which I see in my pocket but glad helped to lift Thai economy a bit, my contribution to the world peace. Today is the first day I do not have any plans so we will see what afternoon brings. Feel under obligation to take at least one massage here at BBB Inn but boy I had my eye on earlier disappeared for now .

After breakfast packed and moved to BBB Inn, passing drived demanded 200 baht , forget it and when offered "meter OK" still declined his distinguished services, opting for short walk to Lumpini station, 18 baht MRT to San Yan and short walk to hotel, my favourite place to stay. By sheer coincidence last 4 times there I was assigend room 302 and so it was this time, my lucky number always. At 3 run to Fan Club for a session with Chang , muscular, married gay I booked an appointment yesterday with. He thought I'm another liar farang as is seems our appointment was at 2 and I did not show up, Another great performer with great body I susppect was instructed by Man as of what I like and what not . I told Man day before I like the gay and will be seeing him next day. Chang was pushing right buttons from the start not wasting enery on things I don't like. Don't enev know hen 90 minutes passed but it was great. Evening decided to investigate an advice above about trying 4 hands , my first ever at Guy Spa, Sukhumvit soi 19. Quite impressive line up, picked up boy with widest smile, named Beer and told him to pick up another boy he likes and it was Bank. Good mixture with Beer tall and slender and Beer shorter and firm muscled including that that muscle from the start. First part they divided me vertically with each on own side, after 1/2 hour horizontal divide with Bank busy with upper part and Beer with legs. After turnover again vertical fun started and my laught at the end was probably heard on the street and definitley downstirs. Thaynk you for a great advice it seems compensated for all disappointments with few right strokes. No boys did not interact with each other in case you are curious. Happy and free from wordly worries walk all the way to Erevan shrine wher I picked motorsai to take me to Silom for 50 baht. If you recall I had to pick up Bom from Adoins I have arrangements last Sunday for long time. This time I was tool early as he was expecting me at 10.00 but no problem. I was asked 2500 fee of an long time off, 1000 was foe a shop and 1500 for a boy. And his part was doscreetely but in my full view handed to him by the manager. Idea I like as it prevents for client screwing boys an payment. Diner together at Dick's then of for a show at Fresh Beach Boys. Thus I completed all bars with shows this year, Jupiter and Clasasic I saw in May and rest on this trip. Around 11 we landed in my room and parted our way at noon on Saturday, just 2 hrs 40 minutes ago ! My longest long time ever and worth every minute of it. He even appologized that he must go at noon but wanted to be back to work at 2. I don't think he enoyed my company that much / we men have way of assessing that, right ? / but made sure I enyoyed his. And thi swas his suggestion in the morning he will stay til noon. Sure tipped him 1500 again and this time he was happy. I pay 2500 for long time , 500 bonus was fair for an extension I guess Great day and great finish to it, immagine having breakfast at 12.30? May be you do but for me it was first in a long time / I'm early riser/ . So now we are up to date.

Back to Thursday, decided to check one of places in the City Court , just across the Rama from Soi Ngam Duplee. Thare seem to be some confusion about Candle Spas, how many of them etc. So here it goes : as you enter soi on your right will be row of small shopa on your right, second one is Candla Spa, regular massage place. Then you will se few highrises, first one has parking attached, do not be afraid just go there and right awaya you will see row on massage places, at the beginning is Sawatdee Spa for men, then further on is Candle T and Candle Paradise, divided by another venue. They seem to be related or may be even the same place as signs design is almost identical but names are different as indicated. As the ground floor of the far side of the second highrise is Sanctuary by A Spa. Whole area is very Thai , is worth to go there just to exp[ierience what difference 20 meters does to the urban landscape, from cosmopolitan Rama to very, very local place where you are feeling complete stranger. Back to the subject, I went to Sawatdee Spa and was assigned masseur , name withdrawn. Massage was very good as the places over there apparently not a hanky panky places but devoted to a serious massage . And so it seemed until end, left to shower alone, masseur was completely dressed through the whole massage to I did not even try to do any unappropriate toughes, only when we were done with coplete body massage with only one thing left , they suddenly boy started to coplete porcess quite vigorously not minding me trying to explore , still throgh the fabric of his jeans his immpressive and growing possession hidden there . And with no uncertain terms with sign language he indicated that mose serious option is available. Unfortunately I was not mentally prepared for this extension so offer was declioned without even askin who would be doing what. But still ensured that boy was tipped appropriately. And this was early afternoon. Then , obviously not massaged enough, later during the day went to Soi Twilight to the Bonny Massage to an treatment with Tau, straight boy but not shy in the man's department I made eye contact day before when dining at Dick's. Another good massage and as a bonus overnight session booked, was supposed to pick him up at 10 p.m and being gentleman I told him that if he will have client I will wait , what a prophet I 'm ! This was early evening and not being a shopper but rather boy hopper suddenly felt urgent need to see if Man at Fun Club , muscular hunk who I consider one of best boys I ever met. He was not in the line up but when asked for him he appeared , thanks to high heaven. When waiting for him to be ready spied another muscular hunk I made an appointment with for Friday. Line up at Fun Club is very impressive and I could spent few weeks just using their resources. Mostly gay twinks though but on meatier side. Man remembered me becuse of my moustache or so siad he. Anyways this is very muscly hunk, 100% staright by his own admission but no problem getting hard and a truly professional who knows how to massage and how to find what pleases his client. Great conversant too as his self-taught English is pretty good. Fabulous 1.1/2 hr. to compensate for many dissapointments of recent week By the way in the past he was working as A at Senso and gathered few raving feedback on various sites too and still appears on their website. Evening back to Soi Twilight , as prophesied , Tau was with client so alone went to see show at X-Size, show typical but I likd selection of boys much more than at X-Boys across the soi. Invited one to seat with me, distributed few tips to big cock and fuck show participant and to best looking boy on the sated as usual. Show usual standard so I don't bother to describe as with show watched daily obviously my impression is not someones who comes to watch it for the forst time. But all of them are worth the drink and a boy's drink price if you are keeping company throughout. Tau was busy fucking , er, massaging his clainet to went for a short stroll to Wat Hualampong , pat the cows and returned to piock him up and then propblems apperads. Not available for long time , till 3 only , it was 11. 30. No problem as I liked that he immediately reduced his expected tip to short time level, I like business oriented boys keeping their ethic standards. Not impressed with his performance as he was more interesed in my whisky and watching TV than in me but what the heck, warm body is a warm body. At least he did not skip on a time and left at 3 a.m. on the dot. Decided to go downstaris to check famous coffe shop at Malaysia and a parking lot. Noting present . in fact through my 2 days there I did not see any moneyboy soiliciting business in the hotel and vincinity so not sure it was my lack or their presence was cleaned by the management. Went to internet caffe and spent next 2 hours trying to update those of you who are reading my posts. At 5 another watch for consolators , still none so went back to the room alone. Not as painfull after few mishaps on this trip. And so Friday started, best day of my trip but I did not know it yet.

No idea what you think but I was talking about this tank of water with small fish in it , you put your legs and they feast on your dead skin, great feeling and lots of tickling