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according to info on another forum XBoysLand in Patayaland soi 1 is out of business, may be somebody in Pattaya right now can confirm?

I agree , nothing stupid in question and obviously hit some nerve with all those ' stupid ' and 'idiot ' included in answers . From my personal 2013 statistic sample I can say at least 1 boy in 11 will not care if you are wearing condom or not or would try to penetrate you without wearing one. Yes at this day and year it boggles the mind but as OP said lots of people have head in the sand. As Dorothy in "Golden Girls" said , our bedrooms are crowded and when we sleep with somebody we sleep with all people he slept with before

Why do you think question is stupid? a. because you think is too nosy ? or b. because you doubt respondents will give honest answers ? / I have some doubts too / or c. because you think everybody is playing safe so answer is obvious and no need for question? / I wish this was true / Just asking To answer original question - never in my life and I remember times before AIDS appeared.

When in Thailand I would not entertain an option of getting intimate with anybody who is NOT an ASEAN or East Asian national and at times I'm amazed when somebody reports hooking with some Greenlander or Surinamese in soi 4. ( I picked up small countries as to not offend anybody ) When traveling I strongly believe in supporting local industry , boys included.

I don't mind if boys are selective, in fact I feel better if boy have a say to which customer he will go with. This way if he goes with me I know it is on his will, not being forced by mamasan or owner. Likely not much fun with boy dragged by me by force against his better judgement even if only thing he will see in me is tip coming at end of session. Did not have such ' forced ' case but on few occasions boy hired for long time invented some story to cut it to short time , I'd prefer if he was up front rather than lying just to get an order and ' than we will see '. The same goes with tip - it's much better if disagreement is clarified before an off instead of having a scene in the room after the deed with whole floor listening what is going on behind our door. But I wholeheartedly agree with you and abang - know your limits and stick to them. If doesn't work there are other boys. Even after soi Twilight closes ScrewBoys is still open another hour, BBB In has somebody available round clock , not to mention GR etc. Personally my monetary limit is 3000, would not pay more and never did. And this is for long time.Long time for me is when boy is leaving room in the morning with me, he is invited for breakfast and is up to him if he takes an invitation or not. Non-monetary limit is when he asks for more money / usually for taxi / , never gets it from me and never will be offed again even if is handsome like David and honey sweet. This is why I parted my ways with certain boy from Aqua quite a few years ago, only boy I ever abandoned my butterfly mode for. To be fair to boys I need to say it hapend to me only three times over 9 trips so I usually defend boys if somebody accuses them for being greedy but as we said , limit is limit . I don't blame them for trying to be more extractive, after all most of their clients are one time affair so they are trying their luck but also they have to live with consequences Alexx is correct about you not losing a face, you may feel pissed off by Scorpion boys but it is not the same

jump on motocy taxi and in 10-15 minutes you will be in Jomtien

Not a bad idea, thank you koko, I hope to visit next trip

1. Visit Magnolia for massage , by far classiest massage place in PTY 2.Don't think too much about free time since your are coming with partner and he will have something top say too 3. In September your plans will be derailed by the heavy rain from time to time. 4. There's great option for day time side trip - Bangkok is only 2 hrs away

Subject of excessive tips and accusations of spoiling market for others never dries . In my opinion big tippers are spoiling sex market no more than Starbucks clients paying 5$ for a coffee are spoiling coffee market for Coffee Time clients paying 1.50 $. So I wouldn't worry if somebody is throwing mud at you for paying too much , it's friendly way of telling you that sofa-bed you purchased for 1000 could be had for 500 if you tried harder and it's your decision which one will give you better sleep.

I'm glad I asked the question and feel much wiser now. Coming from the culture when one is expected to show gratitude even if not really happy with what's received I was puzzled on few occasion by lack of enthusiasm from beneficiary boys side, suspected it may be cultural thing and it seems I was right as per pongs and Alexx inputs. Got my further confirmation watching Gthai movie part 2 "Massage Boys" this morning and there's scene when boy receives 6000 baht tip from rich Thai customer and also shows very restrained reaction , smiling only after client left. / No I never tipped that much , 3000 is being my absolute maximum for long time but on few occasion doubled requested or bargained tip and did it for a good reason IMHO/ I like Michel 's system and will start using it from now on if need arises - here's your tip and here's your gift from me because you are an angel. Do not count on royalties from me though, Michael. This is better than what I was doing so far as my system could create unreasonable expectations, now I start understanding why one of my November boys out of blue demanded 5000 for long time. I tipped his co-worker over the odds few times and possibly he thought ' here's a sucker ', unfortunately for him to no avail.

than would be loss but life goes on and so do we

this would explain what I observed

At times we are reporting on the boys requesting more money than offered but certainly reverse situations happen when we tip boy more that he could expect, either because we were happy , we offer parting bonus or we did not know what rate is. What is boy's reaction in such a case from your experiences. It happened to me quite a few times and other than higher wai on occasion I did not notice any big reaction. I wonder if that is cultural norm not to show a gratitude , shrewdness on boy's side / if I don't show I 'm happy next time he gives me even more? / or something else. I'm curious if that's just my luck or some cultural norm. And no , we are not talking about 100 baht extra tip but something substantial like 1000. To be fair my first ever Thai boy back in 2001 tipped long rate for short time / I did not know difference then, / actually jumped into air , wai me higher than would King and screamed of joy but it was first and last such reaction I saw.

....or bus back to Pattaya / Bangkok But it looks Gaybutton is right and you are in for some rural fun

Likely you are correct as that was what boy I threw out Om Yim for not performing in Nov / story in my Off to Thailand thread / requested and when he called mamasan at Dreamboys she confirmed the same but I did not oblige in sync with boy.

not necessarily as his pleasure will not pay for his rent and smartphone bill. If boy performs outstandingly just out of greed or need it still is memorable and pleasurable performance, his fantasy is just doubled-up tip.

While Christian is perfectly capable of defending himself I need to rise to his defense. While he is not shy about advertising his frugal lifestyle which is his business and nothing wrong with that I can't recall any comment from him criticizing somebody else's spending habits. Is big difference if he says " I'd never spent that much on whatever" to statement " everybody paying more than .... for whatever is insane" , never heard from him. So may be you have different Christian in mind? But your point is valid as they were some pontificating about overtiping boys and thus spoiling market for others. So I guess we can safely assume that report you promised will materialize.

My advice was sincere. Over years of travelling I learned that skipping on purchases or sightseeing because of price, down the road created only regrets on missing opportunity so now if I like something I 'd just pay as long as there's degree of reason in price requested . The same goes with haggling with locals in order to get local price only to realize later that all spectacle was about some trivial amount for us but serious for the said locals. Sometimes I haggle just for fun but end up paying what was requested or close to anyways. Is better to have fond memories to return to, even if overpriced than having to deal with the scenes and a bitterness after. At end of day is up to us to decide if a deal presents good value for money or not. I always ask new boys up front how much they want and if answer is up to you if they request more than tip offered, tough luck for them as so far I never yield to their requests for more, taxi money etc. In my eyes this is sentence , I recall 3 who dared and no way I will see them again. With boys previously engaged or ones taken from places I offed somebody just recently I assume they know what I paid last time and I don't bother asking, if they want more / happened once, 5000 for long time /, again refused. But there are precious few in BKK I have soft spot for and if they asked for more I'd pay. So far they did not luckily for both sides as I'd have second thoughts for sure, just like firecat.

firecat , is he 34 years old ?

I missed his blog as well. Just curious, may be somebody from this forum has access to his blog. Is he still active or just felled silent completely ? I wish him well whenever he is

great looking boy and evidently knows his worth, hence request for more money. My advice - pay up and enjoy, if you don't , you will really sick thinking about missing opportunity. His smile on the second picture disarming / and disrobing /

You are very right but often in our societies even money is beaten by much stronger prejudices. Is not only Western disease though , look at Middle Eastern , or Indian subcontinent societies as well. My theory is that Thais are less uptight about those things because their relaxed attitude to sex, not being sexually repressed makes them relaxed in all life matters.

I can't advise you as never been there but nee to express hope that we can expect some report from the place in few weeks, right?

It would be nice if you sentenced yourself to the community service and report on Golden Cock please

justice at least !