vinapu

not every male is looking for sex , some actually have it

Aging = moment in which one starts proclaiming " I feel young" / nobody heard 30 y.o. or even better 18 y.o. saying that / Sexpat = person who moved to another country allured by sexual attractiveness and availability of it's residents / in cases mof our readers Thai men /

Nothing silly with your question. Walk slowly along Silom's night market and boys with porn will find you, they don't have stalls just few covers of movies in their hands.

As for Shape spa experience below is my report from Dec 2014 visit copied from my "Off to Thailand again " trip report : "Here are directions how to get there: decamp at Wongwian Yai BTS, take covered walkway to the busy Taksin intersection / 5 mins / there looking south you will notice busy street with two pedestrian overpasses, take either side and walk to the SECOND overpass, just north of it is LG Building. Standing at front of building you will notice parking driveway on the right side , just go and you will see it. DO NOT take driveway at Shell station, that's too far. Few boys outside, very handsome manager at the desk in the lobby and I mean it. Mamasan called over and shows with price list and book with pictures of boys, not wasting time is asking if I'm top or bottom, than we go through pictures , boy selected. Since it's Sunday decided to splurge on 1500, 2 hr scrub / massage / ozone Jacuzzi treatment. They ensured I understand minimum tip of 1000 requirement and were happy I understand. Passable English spoken by all 3 I was dealing with Boy escorting me upstairs to spacious room with separate bathroom, is asking me to take a shower while he picks up supplies and after a while shows stark naked. Certainly they know business and a customer service there and I liked what I saw although boy on younger side , 20 y/o. Everything went according to the scriptures and I had good time and boy a good tip /1500 /. Of course invited him to share Jacuzzi with me , not that he was trying not to. After such a treatment it was easy walk back to BTS. Definitely I'd recommend the place for something out of regular Silom ghetto albeit not really that far – from Sala Daeng 5 BTS stops and 15 minutes walk . I liked their straight questions/answers approach, no BS ' up to you ' "

I'm sorry alkoe but can't help you , I was impressed with everybody in line but focused on three boys only, one I offed 4 nights and took with me to BKK, one hunk with deep voice who I was told is not even going with clients but is always in big cock show and one twink who smiled and me and I smiled at him and finished up with sitting with him for a while until my boy showed up. I generally don't pay attention to numbers, remember some mostly by coincidence only.

Unfortunately is the word. 300 million strong country can't find other suitable candidates for highest position than son and brother of one president and wife of another. An than we will hear sanctimonious admonitions about other dynastic countries from US politicians and media. both Koreas, Cuba, Argentina, Philippines, Syria, Congo,Kenya, Equatorial Guinea and now USA, what a marvelous congregation !

this short spectacle is at 9.p.m. on the dot although on one night when I was there in May for some reason it did not happen, I was waiting in vain in meantime entertained by cruising Oskar's waiter

I'm not surprised, already stated before that I consider their show the best of all I saw in BKK and PTY and I'm not saying that because my 'boyfriend' from last trip is from there. Also boys line up was second best after Tawan for bars I visited in May but fact is I did not visit that many this time

Keep in mind I took boy to Nantra so he did not have any incentive to confabulate about Sunflower but of course he could just pretend he knows while he did not have a clue.

I found most intense selection process at SENSO since lobby is small and boys are literally 2 meters from your face , all hunks , massage always very good there, I was never disappointed

they were teasing you by suggesting you chicken out. Relax and as biguyby suggested , just go, once inside you will not chicken out, you may be overwhelmed at first but curiosity and excitement will take over, guaranteed. If you are after water, Waternest and Shape spa in Thonburi are your best bets. For sauna reviews read Christian blog, address under his post, you will learn plenty about Thailand as well. Forky is right - pick up boy who seem to be interested in you / smiles /.

I'm shocked

I can relate to OP being nervous since I still remember my heart pumping when climbing stairs back in 2001 to my first massage place visited-HIS in the same plaza where ARENA is now. Even now, after 11 trips when entering those places I feel some tingling under the collar. My advice to nervous newbies to BKK male massages will be: - go by BTS to Sala Daeng station and walk length of the right side Silom from beginning at intersection to soi 6, many massage places with boys outside - turn right and walk through soi 6 , still few more massage places as you are walking with even more boys to Suriwong - after 3 minutes you will hit another busy street -Suriwong, turn right, don't cross the street yet - walk along and you will see even more places with boys outside -when you pass Patpong and Patpong 2 on your right start paying attention to the opposite side of Suriwiong , soon you will see sign HOT MALE, BOYS BANGKOK etc , this is famous soi Twilight - cross the street making sure you are not hit by car, remember Thailand drives on the left -enter soi , few meters into soi you will see on your left MAXI restaurant and on your right and across restaurant Bangkok Massage with quite a few boys sitting outside, count your blessings because they will not pay any attention to you, being consumed by watching porn or whatever on their smartphones - have a seat, order drink but not a meal and get adjusted to the sight of massage boys thinking intensively which one you like the best, - even if you don't pick up anybody this gives you necessary nerves calming exercise - if you walk too fast you may stop at another restaurant - Dick's on your right , right after seeing another set of boys sitting at front of Bonny's massage, you may repeat exercise but vantage point is not as good since you will have your drink sitting beside boys , not across the soi from them. Now you should be brave enough to try either one of places you just saw or ones you plan to visit. Both places are not intimidating because technically you are in restaurant not at their place. Having to choose your first boy from the offer can be intimidating as well so if you still scared / nervous my advice would be to try Waternest, Jey Spa or S52 since there you are picking up boys from either smartphone or picture book. Second choice could be Hero, Prince or VClub because boys there are behind the glass wall so not in your face so you will feel a little more secured. You will not see nudity anywhere until you will be in the massage room with the boy who may be naked from the start or may start shedding his clothes gradually. In both places in soi Twilight and at Hero and Prince boys will shower with you so you will have nudity right away which may be good or not good thing depending how nervous still you are. My advice to my friend who will be nervous newbie will be to skip all the above and head straight to Banana Club and ask Kevin, very pleasant and informative owner for Tao. He is well mannered soft spoken gay man with superb massage skills, trained at Wat Po , it shows and feels I haste to add. Can't imagine anybody not being at ease in his presence. Banana Club boys are showering with you as well at both ends of session. Gee, getting hot in here.

1. We had breakfasts somewhere else, usually at Foodland Patpong , so really I did not notice that cafe and can't comment. 2. sign is there but boy from Super A I offed to Nantra Silom told me that there are no problems with visitors at Sunflower and being from bar located 20 meters from hotel I guess he is in good position to know. Room I rented was for use of my quasi boyfriend I brought from Pattaya , I was at Nantra around the corner, I had room fro 4 nights but he slept there only two (alone I hope). 3. I went there couple times to grab him at various times including in the dead of first night and had no problem entering, reception was manned / actually girled that night / 4. no idea as we vacated room after breakfast but they seem to be nice there so I guess with smile you can negotiate later checkout. They even remember to return my 500 key deposit I forgot about and had she not returned it to me I wouldn't recall it likely although chances are my boy would. Hope it helped vinapu

If you are in BKK just go to Tawan and throw your net. If not, just wait impatiently like all of us do when we have trip approaching. Keep in mind recommendations are precious but we need to check by ourselves, sometimes recommended boys are not to our liking, sometimes other way around, boy who we are warned about is becoming our little treasure . I call it joy of discovery. I even had a case described in Nov 2014 trip report when on one night boy was wild tiger and on next became sleepy kitten - I liked both incarnations equally.

I don't know your system but usually I ask boy how much he wants before off so no haggling in the morning , sometimes bit haggling in the bar if boy is clearly too greedy, I don't blame them for trying. Sometimes boy is asking in the bar how much I give them. I like to settle money and time maters / I off long time almost exclusively / up front so no surprises later. Some people just paying what they consider going rate and throw a bit more or not if boy asks for taxi money /for me this is kiss of death as long as that boy is concerned although at times I give them 100 for taxi but not because they ask but because I liked experience/ Surprisingly perhaps I was drawn to # 14 by his hairstyle but liked his personality and huggable body /with 3 offs it goes without saying / , he is one of smaller boys in Tawan

Thanks for warning, your opinion reflects most comments on another forum

3000, this is max I'm paying for long time spoiling market for others I guess

now we are waiting for yours

do you mean you occasionally see boys in business who are approaching sixties ? There are some here and there who may be in forties but I never saw anybody THAT experienced

Tawan, no mamasans to speak of, boys are friendly and very open minded. But if you are into twinks this is no place for you.

Me neither but boys drag me over there

YES, that's it,

thank you ! If it's any consolation I can tell you that I bought ticket for last trip at end of January but literally till evening of day of departure at end of May I was not sure I will be able to use it due to some family circumstances so I was living 4 month in suspension, an alternative was kind of pleasant too but nothing beats vacation in LOS.

didn't I post 3 or 4 pictures from Tropical gardens?