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my father used to say on the subject : 'work like any other but at least there's no dust"

welcome to the forum find a man, fall in love, make sure he does as well after that it will be smooth sailing to iron what's needs to be ironed

it's why I sleep so little when on vacation, this way it seems I'm extending them

Day 5 Tao left, I returned to Raya for a breakfast, packed my meagre belongings and went to BBB Inn around the corner. For umpteen time in row I was again assigned room 302 so it felt as homecoming. But there are changes at BBB and not sure they are for good. No more massage boys available so place seemed very , very quiet. In fact in my 2 days there I did not see nor hear any other guest. I hope they are doing well on their short time business to make up as it’s pure waste to have hotel in such location not being filled in. May be fact they advertise themselves as ‘BBB gay Inn” on Agoda scares some people away? On positive side, no more sleeping under the massage towel , this time proper sheet and blanket provided. And air conditioner as always working perfect. Did not waste time unpacking, marched to San Yan MRT, 1 station hop to Hualampong, 20 baht ridiculously cheap ticket for express train to Ayuthaya and at 8.40 / 20 minutes delay / we rolled over from station. It took us 1 hr to leave Bangkok but only 20 minutes from DonMuang to Ayutthaya and at 10 I was there first time since 2002. Several tuk-tuks waiting at the station, guy wanted 800 baht for a tour, I agreed right away probably overpaid 200-400 but did not feel like haggling so I paid and off we went. We visited several temples scattered all over the place , weather was nice so to some of them I actually walked instead of being driven to in order to save earth from pollution and get some exercise. I can explore ruins to no end so it was pure pleasure for me, not that strenuous as complexes are not as big as Angkor Wat and pretty close to each other. Around 3 p.m. I was done and back at the station but it turned out that next train is in 100 minutes so driver took me to minibus station at the center where I was placed in the bus departing in 2 minutes. It cost 50 baht to BKK, 1 hour later we were already at Victory Monument , BTS to Silom and by time train was departing from Ayuthaya I was back at BBB Inn. Went for late lunch to Madrid Tavern at Patpong 1, restaurant revealed to me by Christian PFC some time ago and only place in the whole world where I eat pizza because I like it , not just to avoid starvation. Not particularly cheap at 245 but worth every satang as far as I can see. That’s the same place Christian just praised in his blog recently. Evening stroll along Sukhumvit, definitely I like Silom area better, popped my head at Banana to learn that definitely they will be moving on Saturday and for evening joys I returned to Silom and went to Classic boys where show just started. Nothing spectacular but enjoyable, quite a few people in the audience including one drunk Indian looking guy being entertained by one of their boys. Guy left alone but left 500 if not twice 500 baht tip to a boy for his troubles. Two ladies in the audience and this time their presence was annoying due to a constant and pretty loud chatter. I was not far from asking “would you bitches shut up please” but somehow held on avoiding an international scandal. I’m not against girls in boy bars as long as they behave the same way other patrons do, in fact I kind of like them as it adds a bit of spice to an experience but those two and their yaking was pretty annoying. Classic is not a place I normally go to feast on boys, usually young twinks there , not at all my area of expertise but surprisingly I found myself dispensing not one , but two 100 baht departing tips . One to pretty rough looking guy I remember from previous visit when I tipped him as well and he thank me with ‘welcome to Thailand’ , another one went to more massive veteran there who used to be top when they had fuck show. Briefly I was thinking about offing him owing to amount of muscle on his bones but Guardian Angel somehow intervened and ordered me to return to Tawan not visited yesterday. Thank you Angel, I was hoping to see Tiger to find out why he did not show up day before but first thing I saw upon entry was # 15 Boy sitting with customer. He recognized me immediately and told me he just arrived from Laos today. And we need a bit of background here. He is one of their smallest (in Tawan sense ) boys. For me he is my first ever off from Tawan , one from last night of my Dec 2014 trip. He was greedy demanding 2500 for a short time and committed grave sin leaving early under false pretext of parking motorbike in wrong spot, still I liked him and when in May I tried to off him as much as he tried to be offed by me but somehow puzzles did not fit. One night I was with the boy already so even if he recognized me and suggested threesome I declined, next time he was not in the bar, night after I came looking for him and likely they let him know but nobody told me so after hour or two I grabbed #14 instead to no harm to me only to discover that Boy just showed in the bar- literally minute too late. I asked mamasan about Tiger – he went to Laos yesterday. Why he did not tell me he is going remains mystery but he is forgiven. I have reason outlined below to believe that Boy thought I tried to teach him a lesson, not a case but it worked for me. Shortly after I had my drink he came over and said with charm of seasoned diplomat “ I want sleep wit you today”, good start. But you are already with client, no problem I tell him I must go with you, you want me to change to a shirt? Thing were moving fast but not so fast Boy – I off only long time , till breakfast, not like last time. I know , I know – hey I think he thought I was holding grudge. At the same time I felt vindicated because in May another boy from there, Tip #51 did to me exactly opposite thing – deal was sealed but he told me he needs to go with another guy. I felt a bit sorry for a guy dumped by Boy tonight but I don’t know if any deal was sealed or Boy simply planted beside him. Anyways I was not bitter in May, hope guy was not bitter tonight, boy’s freedom of going with customer of his choice is not a bad thing to have. We did not waste time for drinks, he was hungry and wanted to be treated to a steak, fine , we went to place on the corner , I invested in his dinner and even a drink and was happy to. For reason unknown he seemed as happy as me marching together to BBB Inn and in the room happiness presented itself nicely right away. Last year’s infractions redeemed well before dawn to a degree that in the morning when he offered his bed warming services for another night I just gave him 500 baht for off fee asking him to go to the bar and pay and be here again at 10 pm. hoping for that to happen. It’s a bit strange perhaps but what I like about him is actually personality. Sure he is not short in handsomeness and endowment but he is one of those we sometimes feel simply happy to be with. And I’m not alone in this forum with such an assessment of boy Boy#15. One of our readers compares him to cat always going his own ways. So day 5 finished and all my nights so far are still 5 stars.

you are probably right about me being easy to please - I don't pay 1000$ for a ticket to be grumpy, that's my attitude. I do recall positive posts about Jupiter boys including by the poster who responded to this thread

here's now famous shirt

I'm on losing end of all this since I like to fly at the end of aircraft so obviously I'm one of the last in line . But there's benefit of this , luggage is usually waiting already and lines for taxi are short with all people gone already

by the time it happens I will be eaten by the worms so not overly concerned and I wish Thailand the best for a future. I don't know Dutch prices but famous red light district in Amsterdam exists for nothing so ma be prices are higher but trade is doing well I guess. ( I don't even mention twinks and short time - not my area of expertise thank God )

shockingly perhaps for some looking at America through Hollywood pictures you are soooo right. Lots of people are left behind in the USA and they are very visible

there's plenty of poor people in rich countries and so it will be if Thailand will become rich - don't think too much, it causes headache only

what kind of boyfriend you are if you are spying on your own boyfriend and admitting it in the open? If your boyfriend works in the bar of massage you expect him to work the same way you'd expect if he were working as railway conductor or burger flipper at McDonald, right?

they do change, last December best line up in soi was Dreamboys, in May it changed to XSize, this time as we will learn soon I liked Hot Male the best. Let us know how you liked it, keep in mind my accolades about those two bars are what I liked, my disapointment with Dreamboys line may be actually a boon for ChristianPFC , z909 and the likes who are not into beefier and older men. Even boys are changing and ones looked for excuse to leave early in the past now are in no rush to leave as I discovered to my joy in day 5 , soon to be reported.

Day 4 Lazy Sunday. In the morning I dressed myself in newly acquired , now ubiquitous , “Bike for Dad” polo shirt and went for morning stroll through Lumpini Park , spotted lizard, at the gym one of Tawan boys , regular there was already exercising. Then tourist program continued to Wat Hualampong , short walk from soi Twilight. Admission to the sanctuary 20 baht, that’s the temple with live cows, right at the centre of the big city. Then one stop by MRT / subway, metro / to Hualampong station, Bangkok’s main to check schedules for planned tomorrow’s trip to Ayuthaya. They have actually separate ticket office for foreigners with English speaking staff. It may help some who find Thai script hard to navigate. Looked at the trains being train fan since time immemorial, I just like train stations atmosphere almost as much as soi Twilight go –go bars. Speaking about soi Twilight , from station returned there for a lunch of ‘riz Casimir ‘ / chicken with marasquino cherries / at Dick’s. They open early and this is my favourite dish there I’m pigging on at least once on every trip. At 5 p.m. I was expecting Tiger from last night but he did not show up. I was a bit of disappointed but not totally surprised knowing Thai boys / actually he is Lao/ reliability when comes to keeping appointments. As agreed yesterday at 6 I left and marched to Senso again. Those who suspect that now I’m on Senso/Tawan monodiet are not entirely wrong. This being Sunday not many boys on offer this afternoon and all new faces. Actually there was one familiar – Tik I had in May but at time of my entry he was booked by young farang inside already so all I could do is to scream “ you are in good hands” earning smiles for both farang and Tik. Picked up one of those newbies for 1 hr. unrushed session I so enjoy. This time actually I was in rush because at 8 I was expecting Tao from Banana to visit me at the hotel. On departure from Senso I noticed that M, resident star there known from appearances in few GThai series movies is present so I asked him when he is working next time / Tuesday/ and promised to see him then – his massage was one of best I ever had and we kind of hit it as well then. Walked to Raya and surprisingly for some perhaps at 8 on the dot Tao was in the lobby. Some intimacies and somehow I got an idea of arranging for threesome but instead of listening to his suggestion to go to Jupiter to find suitable company I suggested XSize, out of politeness he agreed and off we went in time for a show. Show was kind of standard but we both enjoyed it , invited one of boys Tao suggested to sit with us , of course tipped few big cock show participants customary 100 baht tip but somehow boys did not hit in on and Tao suggested we go to Jupiter after all, only now explaining that he knows boy who ‘will do everything ‘ there and his skills were tested by his farang boyfriend who visited few weeks earlier and they were taking a third boy from different bar every night. Now I realized how clumsily I went about the whole idea, should listen to Tao at first place but as it turned boy did not work today. Sunday seems to be day when quite a few boys are taking time off and on another hand quite a few new ones are trying their market power. As usual at Jupiter, lots of eye candy but Tao was somehow fixated on that absent boy and whole threesome idea was trashed. Not that I was disappointed – I’m not fan of being on any side of sandwich but from time to time is nice to put some spice on the plate. Tao alone is good enough for that though, one of those I truly like to be with. As an experiment I gave him his tip right up front in the room just to see if he will be trying to take an advantage and leave earlier but hell, no. Quite opposite he was not in rush to leave at all. Actually I was as I wanted to go to Ayuthaya after breakfast. So I finished day 4 in the morning marching with him to BBB Inn around the corner since he left his bike there and I was scheduled to move there today anyways. They told me I can do it anytime.

For me an occasional dud is almost included in price. In massages I don't discuss any requirements with neither boy not captain so it's inevitable that sometimes I got boy not matching what I like and vice versa. When taking boy out I only discuss time and tip expectancy, nothing else , so my way of handling things again inevitably leads to some incompatibility from time to time. This is done for purpose - I like to see where thing will go instead of planning them. That's why I often repeat -listen to what others are saying but only way of knowing for sure it's just trying for ourselves, my dud my be your charm and dud today may be pick of the month sometime later as we will learn very soon in day 5.

and if you happy stay where you are, don't try to scratch yourself if you don't feel any itching

not to dispute your findings - I don't have good memories from Jupiter offs as well, but it needs to be noted that only reliable way to find if boy have an attitude or not is to try to off him. In course of this trip I met two boys I had report about an attitude from reliable sources / i.e. people I met in person not just know from exchanging post on the forum and ones sharing my preferences /. In both cases - Tiger described above ,another one one will be reported in day 9 I did not see any attitude, quite opposite both were highlights of this trip. Sometimes either party has bad day hence an attitude problem, sometimes it's just lack of chemistry which makes encounter wasted to nobody's fault. So bottom line is , listen to an advice but go with your guts if you see boy you fancy even if you were warned. If something did not go right, you have only yourself to blame for not listening , if it turns well then count your blessings but don't dismiss original warning as it cold be made in good faith.

certainly things are picking up, I arrived on 2nd and as reported somewhere else lines were longest I saw in 12 trips even if it was 2 a.m.

Day 3 In the morning I was anxious to find out from Xiluzer how it went yesterday at Screwboys, all three of us met in the breakfast room and I asked him right away. It turned out I was right, girls only wanted to talk so he outwaited them and took boy with him. This is where good news finished since while his face and body was impressive , attitude and service was not so and when he revealed than now he works at Prince but before he was in Jupiter I kind started recall why he seemed familiar somewhat. Anyways, Xiluzer said he was trying to rush things and extract an additional compensation, shortly , one of those artificial stars shining until approached. Breakfast at Raya is serious affair with decent variety of Farang and Asian offerings with few soups and hot dishes offered on top of usual breakfast fare. My boy was dining with us with no brews raised. Xiluzer and me decided to go together to Chatuchak in about 1.5 hr. , when returned to the room instead of sending Od home I somehow got a bit heated and we went for an additional session to enjoyment of him – he got additional 1000 and mine. I like that attitude ‘ if you happy I happy” he verbalized. When time came , gave him 100 baht for taxi / my idea, unnecessary spoiling him I guess / , he went his way and we took MRT to the market. As expected after few hours of wandering we lost each other but we agreed beforehand that if it happens we won’t be wasting time looking for each other , agreeing for evening trip to Prince in any case. I’m not big fan of Chatuchak and of retail therapy but bought shirt, wallet , shoes and massage oil and since if was not that hot I actually enjoyed that market probably first time ever. Returned home alone and since it was pretty early I decided to go to Hero. On my way there checked if Banana is still in the soi, it was. At Hero quite surprisingly for a Saturday afternoon in high season only 2 or 3 other clients. Usual assortment of boys flexing and smiling behind the glass , did not notice familiar faces but no shortage of hunks to choose from so I picked up one of the smiling ones for 1 hr. course. Well , in 20 minutes massage was over , boy was speeding up for a second part and I’m not Speedy Gonzales nor like ones so it was not particularly memorable experience for me, just ordinary for minimum tip of 1000 but no more. Had supper in their restaurant , good and cheap fare with full view of boys behind the glass, this alone worth of trek there. Just bit disappointed and undermassaged but well fed returned to Raya and shortly after Xiluzer and me were sitting in the taxi heading to Prince exchanging news from the day. Prince was busier than Hero and Xiluzer who visited both places in the summer confirmed that it was a case then as well. Time will show if this is just coincidence or we are seeing some trend here. Not that I saw much of difference , the same – lots of boys behind the glass but none at whom my heart jumped right away. Xiluzer’s last night stand from Screwboys was there as well and looking at him partially undressed I suddenly solved a puzzle why he looked a bit familiar. This is the boy I took from Jupiter on my last day of my May 2013 trip who was great looking but of sandbag quality , one who had nerve of telling me he needs to leave earlier because he is tired and still ask for taxi money which he did not get. While he was standing out by the looks and smiling warmly neither of us for reason described above was interested. I choose Guy, who looks like half black and probably is, in the room I asked him if he had African ancestors , he just smiled. He is familiar face because before he was one of Senso stars and received plenty of excellent reviews on various forums but our encounter was just ordinary experience , while massage part itself was good somehow chemistry was missing which is nobody’s fault , it just happens from time to time. Second massage today, both in famous places and nothing to write to grandmother about. What’s even more important it was not last unmemorable thing today but day ended nevertheless with big bang so one never losing hope is right ! I was waiting for Xiluzer about 10 minutes and in that time no less than 7 clients showed up, all Asians, all much younger than me which bodes well for the trade in Thailand I guess. Xiluzer appeared very happy with his choice, we had our drinks watching proceedings and were both surprised and a bit vindicated that our Screwboys/Jupiter boy, even if probably best looking behind the glass was still there even with all that traffic. We had nice stroll to the Foodland Patpong where we caught light meals and decided to explore show at Dreamboys. As one could expect on Saturday night , house was packed but somehow we were offered first row seats. Visiting bars with somebody has not only advantage of having company and option of discussing boys virtues but also keeps mamasans away as they can be told that we are boyfriends to make easier for them to lose all hope. I was kind of always justifying their higher prices by quality of the show and what’s more important boys at the stage. Even on this forum is recorded that on one visit I found all boys with exception of 1 worth offing. Yo, one of my best ever was from there. Well , not today. I liked the show, blend of old and new numbers, one of most funny for an audience was when ladyboys took young Japanese looking boy from the first row and almost undressed him. I’m not sure he was so amused but was playing along well and had a body / and underwear / to show, that’s sure. As for boys presented many of our members would be thrilled with all those twinks but there was not even one I could slip my customary 100 baht departure tip for best looking boy. So no way I will pay 600 off fee there said I , Xiluzer agreed even more and left the bar before show even finished. So third night in row trek to Tawan to look for consolation. And I found one immediately, one of the boys on stage was Tiger, one of their Lao boys I so like. I had him sitting with me in May and had my sights on him even if reported by one of our reader that he was one of those who like fast dead and go. Good I did not got discouraged – that was not my experience at all Great body and as a bonus hairstyle I like / spiky hair /, showed accommodating attitude / I asked how much he wants as I always do and he said up to you/ , only disappointment was he did not want / could do long time but I decided to yield , he promised at least 2 hrs of time together. Soon we were seen on Suriwong marching to the hotel. Great man , great body , great massage , great attitude. Great you name it. Did I mention good kisser? He could do long time tomorrow but I have somebody already lined up but suggested he can come for another short time at 5 pm , he agreed but I warned him I will be waiting ½ hr only and if he doesn’t show up I’ll be gone. So after mutilating me I was left to sleep alone tonight but no harm done, I slept like a baby. Did not even think that’s it not over until it’s over. Two ordinary massages, not an eye candy in sight at Dreamboys and still day 3 finished on 5 + stars accord, thank you Tiger, thank you Tawan.

you are right, please check your e-mail by the way

I usually treated myself with Tarntawan for few nights but I think Raya gives them run for a money being new and more spacious. Tell this guy that if fem boys were only thing available in Thailand some of our readers would never step in there. Sometimes first timers are getting carried over and after few days they pretend to be an experts projecting their findings on everybody but with subsequent trips they become more humble.This is typical affliction and not limited to gay travelers and those forums. I will post some photos but not of boys , I don't take their pictures as a matter of fact despite temptation. Not that I mind if others do and post.

he could be Tawan boy trying to get some catch from street. Some of them linger around the bar after closing. One of our readers caught Mekhin , most popular of them all this way.

the same here, never found better rate that at TT around the corner from Boyztown and they have bit better rates than best ones in BKK so for those heading to both places exchange your money in PTY

surprisingly perhaps when there earlier this month I noticed that exchange counter at Sala Daeng BTS is closely matching best rates offered in the area by Natty Gems at mouth of soi Twilight and jewellery shop in soi Thaniya on the left coming from Silom. If it makes sense to chase best rates it's for everybody to decide but as z909 noticed we are walking past so many traders so why not to check at least 3-4 on our way to get the best rate even if it saves only cost of Singha or Chang at 7/11 on 100$ exchange

spent on the plane already, I left hotel 11 p.m. but rest assured doing laundry or knitting scarf was NOT last thing I did before departure,

I had, but how sincere answers were no way of telling, some boys say 'both', some even : ' I don't know'. Sometimes on subsequent encounter answer changes, I presume they know me better and give more honest answer. After all it's hard to to imagine boy saying "I don't like boys" on the first meeting. The same goes with top/bottom question , they get to know us better more open they become. Since we both like the same types and even literally the same boys chances that they are 'gay for pay ' variety are great but I like them - they know they need to try better and they do. Some of the greatest kissers are boys who answer 'only girls , only top', no idea how it works but i know one thing -it works for me