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completely agree although expected minimum not necessarily is linear. The same boy may expect more from me , prematurely grey haired farang than from say ChristianPFC, much younger guy. More from American or Japanese than from fellow Thai or Chinese. On repeat if you tipped him 1000 previously this is what he will be expecting but may look for 1500 from me because his bar friend told him this is what he got from me last time. I never believed stories of client throwing fistful of notes at boys until I saw it with my very eyes and notes weren't green / 20 / but red / 100 /. Some people just express their feel good factor by throwing money around and still others by trying to squeeze ever single baht not for being cheap but often because they just want to get best deal for a sake of it. you just made my day, the same here. My first off back in 2001 got 2000 baht for short time because I thought that is a standard tip but did not know difference between short and long time. I agree that sometimes boys don't need a money or are acting like they don't. Agree to long time and then leaving under lousy excuse after hour knowing that they get 1/3 of LT tip, I don't even get upset with this anymore.

in market economy no wonder if one of best looking boys in Pattaya, whatever it means, requests triple of going rate and gets it. Fortunately for all , there are plenty of still very good looking boys who may be less demanding.

you better stop and spit it out ! although I must say I'd pay even 500 if there, just out curiosity

Very interesting to see other side. It looks that bar fines in soi 6 are lower than Boyztown's off fees. I would mind to know what tips they expect but don't feel pressed if you don't want to answer. waiting for next installment impationtly

not only you

I guess remote location did not work well for them. It's shame because it was by far best appointed massage place in PTY with reasonable place although I had some mild problems with boy's attitudes on no less than three occasions but still patronized Magnolia every time while in Pattaya.

On leaving bar, with boy or not, I always tip 100 best looking boy on stage, sometimes it will be two or three of them. Waiter gets 20 per serving ie. if he brings two drinks for me and a companion it's still 20 , if I order second drink later it's again 20. Big cock participants if I try the wares 100, fuck show couple 100, boy sitting with me if invited at least 100 , more if we get intimate / generally I don't tough boys THERE in the open but at times it's them who initiate move then need to be rewarded for bravery IMO /

with string of positive reports from the PRINCE we received recently this is most likely thing of the past. Sometimes customer unhappy for valid reason tries to extrapolate his one time bad experience for the whole establishment. It's why I advise everybody contemplating any place just to and see for himself. For me prime example would be SENSO from where we had very mixed reports yet for me every visit was memorable in the best of sense. Sure , prices are high but at least they have something to show for them IMNSHO. Another example would be ARENA in the old location downstairs , yest it was run down but boys smiles and general attitude compensated it for me.

incomplete newbies are even more welcomed !! LOL

all tips are arbitrary, it's their very nature. Soi Twilight boys expect probably more than 1200, soi 6 will be happy with even 1000. If I would be happy with company certainly I tip 2000 for 3 hrs but this is pure theory as I almost never off short time but unfortunately sometimes boys are converting long time to short one using some excuse and learning what undertipping means in the process. Mercifully rarely though. I don't blame boys for trying to extract more and those stories about 5000 may be even true but I don't think they really expect us to be that generous but never hurts to give it a try they may think. But you are right, sometimes those requests may be intimidating if somebody doesn't know how to stand his ground , once I had a case when boy did not want to leave room if not given what he wanted as tip - story described in my Back to Thailand thread from Nov 2013.

you don't feel overwhelmed nor pressed , just write whatever you willing to share and keep private whatever you don't. Don't be afraid to express views which are going against conventional wisdom if you feel like, the same brall3 did today about Hero. Usually everybody praises place but it turns it's not always 5 star. You don't need to like what majority does. It's actually brilliant idea to enter forum with trip report.

for shy types best massage place to ponder choices is Bangkok Massage in soi Twilight. One can park himself at Maxi's across the soi , nurse a drink and see boys without either being bothered or feeling ignored. Senso on another hand is for less shy since lobby is small and boys are very close to customer. But what a sight ! It's just me but I never saw boy there I'd not be willing to use services of.

+1 welcome to the forum what a great time we have this October with so many trip reports from both old and new members

what about going and spying for us?

for me water is just too wet

I like to treat myself to the VIP room if available for one of my first massages after arrival in LOS. Not that I see much value in the room itself , after all I'm for the boy not flat screen TV but it's nice to splurge from time to time. Another bonus is that VIP room are usually offered for longer treatments so by definition boys are less inclined to rush things up which I hate. So yes, 2 hr treatment in the VIP room at HERO is a treat from us to ourselves

I'm past my prime but never felt THAT neglected at Hero or anywhere else for that matter that I would feel like leaving. But if you did, nothing wrong in looking somewhere else , much better than forcing us on boys or boys on us if they are not interested. I in fact rather like to be left alone although I usually make decision very fast , either I like what's presented or not. I'm glad PRINCE is mentioned more often those days, for while we did not hear about then place at all. Prakanong is right - attention and smiles are where money, tips and drinks are. May be current crop of farangs is less inclined to spread wealth around and Asian guys are getting their share of attention?

you are talking to the right person. On Sunday just before Christams last year I asked my night's companion to give me a lift to the church on Sukhumvit which he did. This May we spent afternoon exploring Sanctuary of Truth and is was pretty busy too with visitors. On serious note I think lots of Bangkok residents as well as foreigners are coming to Pattaya for the beach and sea, after all one doesn't see many Russians ladies of size strolling along Walking street at night but you can see plenty of them during day everywhere. Certainly whoever is coming anywhere for the beach doesn't not have any competition for space from me

thank you for clarification. Certainly BBB was resurrected, show is excellent , boys friendly and very approachable, mamasans not too pushy and honest. / I was paying off fee with 100 baht notes and they gave me back one note informing that if I had a drink in the bar off fee is 100 baht less which I did not know/

You got me interested in River Kwai trip, thank you. Sorry to hear about your Prince tribulation with clumsy boy but at least his massage was good. It's fairly easy to tell boy to stop whatever he is doing unless he was so horny or overzealous he did not pay attention. This may happen everywhere so don't hold it against Prince. Only room on ground level at HERO I was in are VIP rooms . I think they have two of them. Do they have standard room on ground level? I always was climbing some stairs unless taking boy to VIP room. But thanks God, I don't have stairs problem yet and usually climb them even if elevator is available to the boy's horror

what was wrong with them? asking out of curiosity because I'm relative newbie when comes to PTY

for my private use I consider it the best boybar in Thailand and #1 reason for me to visit PTY

I don't want to make any enemies here but if I was beach person which I'M NOT I'd prefer beach without all that furniture and based on recent party discussion about Caribbean vacation in various places I'm not only person who feels like it. Beach is after all beach, not a living room. So my guess will be not everybody is so unhappy with removal chairs from the beach and chances are tourism will not be that affected. But again I'm both neutral and disinterested in the beach subject.

don't forget to tell us how it went

how did you go? by yourself of you took a tour? if yes , how much and from what office. Thinking about going there next time in BKK I like Adonis too, have soft spot for it as my longest off was from there