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My regular boy in Pattaya told me he started when he was 17.

Don't bother paying the ridiculous price to go to the observation deck at the top of the Sands Hotel. Instead, go up to the bar. You have to buy a drink but you can order an orange juice for $10 instead of paying something like $27 to go to the deck. Same view. When I did that, no-one approached me to buy a drink so it didn't cost me anything.

What??? P used to be a bottom?? Incredible! I agree that the boys are very much at ease in each other's presence. And I love the way they take care of each other. It makes for a great atmosphere in the bar.

Perhaps they are more interested in getting "into" their wallets. When you were their age, were you 'into " guys who were much older than yourself? I'm not saying it doesn't happen - we've all heard of "daddies"- but I think it would probably be a fairly rare occurrence. I just wish there were more of them! Super A is hit and miss. Usually miss. Sometimes I actually see attractive guys there but invariably they have silicone or mooks. And both those mamasans are real money-grabbing pains in the arse.

In all the years that I've been going to GC I've never seen boys in underwear; they have always been fully dressed. And I've never seen a guy there who I'd describe as gay.

As boy69 said, it's all about the chemistry between you. That's not something you can establish quickly; I think you would need to know the boy and so you would have to spend a few days together and see if it works. There would be nothing worse that going away together on holiday, only to find that one, or both, of you is not able to tolerate the other's habits. I've heard a number of disaster stories over the years. As for the sex part, you would need to discuss that carefully so there can be no misunderstandings as to what you expect from him. You and your friend's expectations would have to be the same. You have to work out the money situation. Apart from paying the bar off fee for every day he's away, you have to find out if the boy also expects payment. I'm assuming he would, although at a discount, as you are taking him long term. You are paying for his time, not just the sex, so don't fall into the trap of thinking he's getting an all expenses paid holiday so therefore, he doesn't need to be paid. The power relationship should also be considered. You have it all, as you have the money. I would let him take ownership by allowing him to choose where to eat, for example. Or get him to help plan your daily activities. I sometimes slip the money to the boy in a restaurant and let him "pay" the bill. Personally, I would take lots of money and spend it on him. And if all went well I would give him a bonus at the end. But that's just me.

Well, I think there is. You can dislike a painting but that doesn't mean you feel the same way about the artist. But of course, we have the right to take things as an insult if we feel that way. No problem with that.

Unfortunately, those standards are not very high.

Z909 was a actually commenting on the tattoo, not the guy.

Fair enough. To each his own. I actually find it very sexy to watch a guy undress in front of me and his mates. And when his mates start dropping their pants to join in, it's even better. They're is something very stimulating about seeing a bunch of 100% straight guys sitting around naked together and watching the gay action. It somehow doesn't seem 'right". But I love it!

You don't pay the guys to take their clothes off-you pay them for what follows once they have dropped their pants. I'm a regular customer but as I'm not a drinker, I'm not sure if the cost of beer. But 130 baht rings a bell. And the waiter always goes through the bill, counting the number of drinks. A chuck-wow is 400 ~ 500 baht. For each one you also pay 400 to the bar. What with drinks, bar fees and fun, it can soon add up, especially if, like me, you turn up every day. But what a way to spend an afternoon! I then off my regular and we spend the rest of the afternoon in bed. I have also started buying dinner for all the guys. They really appreciate it. I've never had any of them fucking in the bar. In any case, I think they are all tops. They are not skinny twinks; rather, they are just regular masculine guys. Very laid back, so to speak, and easy going. You can suck them and some will reciprocate.

Open every day from around 1:00 pm. Just make sure you let the guys know you'll be visiting and they'll make sure they turn up.

For 300 baht plus drink you can wank /suck him.

reader may have offered an explanation ; i.e. GC has a new mamasan. That would explain everything. The mamasan I was referring to worked for many years at Nature Boys as one of the 'boys" before moving to GC.

I'm stunned to read about your experience at Golden Cock. That kind of behaviour is exactly what I have experienced many times in the past - but at Super A next door, never, ever at GC. Are you sure you haven't gotten the two bars mixed up? I've written enthusiastically about GC, especially over the past year, when new guys turned up and who are very open to fun in the bar. I'm talking about the kind of fun associated with Goodboys in Pattaya or Nature Boys down the street. Full on sex happens every day in my room with my regular from the bar - a guy I've known for years. GC is now my go - to bar in Bangkok. The mamasan is the slightly fem guy with the wide smile. Is that the guy who bought himself a drink and demanded 100 baht?? I can't believe it! Totally out of character, as far as I'm concerned. When it comes time to pay, they always go through the bill item by item. I also know how many drinks I've had and how many boys I've "entertained" and I've never been ripped off. On the contrary, it's 400 baht to the bar for each chuck-wow, but sometimes they just charge me once, no matter how many boys are involved. Please, please tell me you have confused the two bars!

Christian wrote: "When I pay, I don't compromise." You are dealing with people, not objects. People have feelings, emotions, moods......the whole gamut. They are not robots. In order to get on, there must be some give and take on both sides. But as you are paying, then of course it is your right not to compromise. Noone can criticise you for that. I just don't think you'll ever find what you are looking for if you are not willing to be flexible in your demands.

Christian wrote : "I have tried many times over the years, but the odds are against me." Your demands/expectations are very specific. You won't find anyone unless you are willing to compromise. "Keep it at sex with fringe activities (the occasional dinner or movie before or after sex), and send them home." So I guess you are suggesting here that you don't want to compromise.

I agree. My regulars are all gogo boys.

"Any guys you can meet and be with for 2 or 3 days. And not feel like is just about sex??" Sure. I've written a number of times about my regular guys who I spend my holidays in Thailand with. For me, the "relationship" is based on sex. - that's why I travel there - (and for him it's based on money; no surprise there), but if that were all there was between us, then I'd be playing the field every night. The most important thing is communication. My Thai is hopeless so obviously these guys have enough English to enable us to talk to each other. I couldn't think of anything else that spending hours and hours with someone every day so you couldn't talk to. Once you get chatting you soon realise if he is Mr Right. And through chatting you can quickly discover what you have in common. Due to the age difference, often there's not a lot, but if you're lucky, there's enough to keep the relationship going. My regulars are all quite well educated and have a good general knowledge. That helps to keep the conversations interesting. Oh, and they all LOVE to talk. I find that with these guys there are no requests for money - no sick grandmothers, no dead buffaloes (I've actually never heard that one), no sister involved in a car accident, etc, etc. So these guys are definitely out there. The problem is finding them. Good luck!

Well, if anyone would know, it would probably be an old wife. Lol

A very unpleasant and scary thought! I've been in the company of a guy many times who was thrown into gaol a couple of years ago for stabbing a guy in an argument over a girl. I was shocked when I found out because he seemed such a lovely guy. He eventually returned to work at the bar, so I'm guessing the victim survived.

I agree. But there's nothing wrong with admiring it and comparing it with others you have experienced.

I used to tip beggars in Thailand until I started reading about the criminals who apparently control them. Now I'm more careful. But I do still tip beggars - especially disabled ones - in other parts of Asia. It's part of the guilt I feel for having led such a fortunate life through sheer luck of where I was born and the good health I have enjoyed. Some of my friends consider me an easy touch but I secretly think they are ungrateful for their lot in life. Money is meant to be shared around. As visitors to the poorer countries, an amount which is nothing to us can, in some circumstances, be life-changing for some of the locals. As for restaurants, I noticed a while ago that the amount of my tip is wholly dependant on how handsome /cute the waiter is. The girls get a tip, too, but not as much. Taxi drivers to and from the airport get 100 baht if they are pleasant and drive safely. I also tip the people who make up my hotel room and anyone else who I believe may be able to help me in some way. (E.g. the guys who attend the lift at the Tarntawan hotel.) I find it works like a charm. They earn more money and I get great service. What's not to like about that? Coming from a country where tipping is unheard of, it took me a while to get used to it. But I think I've got it about right now. When in doubt, over-tip. You can't go wrong. You know when it's right when both of you are smiling and happy.

"what will you all do next year when Twilight is knocked down for that new hotel? " Indeed. But it gives rise to another question : What will the hundreds of guys working in Soi Twilight do?

In Japan we were always told to avoid asparagus. But no matter what the diet, I can't think of any food or drink that would make semen palatable. Hopefully, we'll find out here if such foods actually exist.