NIrishGuy

The no wallet thing is probably sound advice in general but alas for me not always practical as my massage tends to be a spur of the moment thing when I'm out and about and so inevitably I usually have some form of wallet on me already. The spreading cash between pockets thing - to be honest I'm not sure just how much use that would be, ok maybe if you only have a few thousand baht on you then perhaps, but as I was one of the guys who got dipped last year in one of those very massage places when I walked in to find the wee bugger rifling through my wallet ( and so pockets to get that) I'm not sure that not having a wallet would have helped much unfortunately and if anything might actually have made it easier for him to try and clean me out even faster than he was already doing as the thing that slowed him down was having to go through my wallet and try to work out what he could pinch without the theft being immediately noticed. He had actually totally ignored a reasonably large bunch of 1000 and 500 baht notes that I'd had in my pockets ( which he'd placed carefully on the bed to be no doubt returned carefully to my pockets intact when he was done as he obviously assumed ( wrongly) that I would be aware of just how much was there in the first place and that I was probably going to use that amount to pay him later, but so he was intent on going for the BIG money towards the back of my wallet but all whilst still carefully covering his tracks by even leaving the existing correct denomination of notes sitting to the front of my wallet untouched in case i had a quick look he unfortunately for him screwed up as for all his smartness his entire plan was blown away by being to bloody ( or deaf ?) stupid to think that I just might have intentionally returned from the shower early and was literally standing watching him the whole time while he was engrossed doing all of this ! lol If it's any help to the OP Blue Boy massage provide you with secure lockers in which you can leave your valuables and you retain the key ( although being Thailand I STILL wouldn't say that system is fool proof but it's better than nothing and I've never experienced any problems there)

Damn !! So THAT"S where I've been going wrong then ! :-(( lol

From reading it I'm guessing that was from the previous moral clean up campaign, which like all things in LOS seem to come and go like the seasons in order to benefit just whichever person happens to be in power that month when they believe it suits them / their moral crusade ( which just like the incumbent rulers all usually end up being equally all short-lived - thankfully), so based on my last visit I would say that yes Babylon is certainly worth a visit, just to say you've been of nothing else.

And be sure to watch your wallet like a hawk in at least one if not more of those venues :-(

Can anyone expand on this as Babylon was never quite that dark a place anyway so with the exception of the very small dark area there I can't imagine the lighting would or could have changed that much or at least enough to diminish the enjoyment of a visit and what of the "more rules" - what rules exactly perhaps ?

......... and the difference from many other places we all frequent would be ?? :-)

We should add that that's the name of the Go go bar and not an instruction as to how you should attend, although being Thailand that is of course up to you, but definitely not recommended. lol

While Nong is a nice guy etc if you're booking make 110% sure you tell him something like if you give me a room with a hard bed I'm checking out immediately as like you I had put my request in writing to him and both he and I know we've had that same conversation several times now and much to my annoyance he TOTALLY ignored me in the hope that I'd have just have forgotten about it by the time I got there it - which I didn't, but after my giving off a little bit to him and him then going and getting a softer mattress for me the next morning it turned I got my own back as by the time we got it sorted and up to my room I was "busy" again so I told him not to bother ( much to his annoyance at that stage) so our mutual annoyance all sort of balanced out, so do be VERY clear with him that you're not just "hoping" for a soft bed but BOOKING as a MUST and not as a hopeful request perhaps.

good luck with that last part .........

"Interesting that Mosaic was willing to give you a soft bed....do you pay extra for the daily cleaning" Yes although I was fairly pissed off with Nong the last time as I'd pre booked my usual room in writing well in advance and when i turned up he'd moved to to another ( lesser) room, but the cop out was that it was still a "suite" but the furniture was older and it ws facing the main street as opposed to round the back where I usually stay and everyone COULD see my comings and goings and the massage guys ( who I entertained a few times in my room) were able to tell me my every move and with who and for how long ( and how I'd been cutting it fine with one arriving as one was leaving etc :-) Re the cleaning yes I believe they do charge you per clean albeit it was only something like 200 baht or something ( don't quote me on that figure) but I've also a funny feeling that my cleaning was ex gratia and unofficial seeing as I'd tipped the head cleaner lady well, but I could be wrong about that as I rarely check my bill, although just on that point I DID check my overall bill on checking out last time and they'd charged my for an extra night, I'm guessing this was a genuine mistake as he just looked at the calendar and charged me whatever the rate was ( 1300 ?) times "x" amount of nights and got that figure wrong, but I've also a sneaking suspicion it maybe wasn't just as innocent as it appeared either perhaps so checking your bill is of course always a good idea after a longish stay perhaps.

" I thought quite a bit about Mosaic again, but I just can't risk having the concrete bed again." I know what you mean and on my last trip I told them on day one to change it to a softer bed ( which they were quite happy to do by the way so be aware you can ask) but actually after the first night I found it was ok and I stuck with it without any discomfort the rest of my trip, maybe I'm just getting used to it !? "I also like a full service place much better, with the room cleaned everyday, fresh towels and such. I have to wonder how you handle the logistics at Mosaic. How many towels do they supply you with? Or do they just hire on some additional laundry help during your stays? " You do know that they'll clean your room, change your bed, fresh towels every day no problem if you ask, it's actually the opposite for me as the head woman of house keeping now "takes care" of me as a) she knows me and I give her a couple of 100 baht and something for the girls under here each trip. But my problem now is that they are TOO efficient and knock my door EVERY morning at around 10am to come in a change everything and we've now worked out that i put the chain on the door to stop them entering when I'm entertaining. ( which is usually every night anyway) then they turn the lock to let me know they've been and tried then when I eventually open my door about 3 or 4 pm to go for breakfast lol they're now always about ready to swoop so it all works out fine and likewise I just tell then to leave extra towels etc as they are fully aware of my pastimes and are always happy to oblige. "I am sure to run into you around Christmas time." He he I'll alert the whisky warehouse to make sure they're fully stocked lol. "Anyway, I was hoping not to be the lead party on this place, but at least it will be low season." ?? Just be careful with that low season assertion as over the Brest dates Christmas I know mosaik for example can be fully booked many months in advance sometimes and actually I'll be sending off my booking shortly once I get my flights sorted. And Colmx - not sure if your BF means it's NOT that private there and if so maybe I can maybe see how a Thai might think that as I know the security / reception staff don't miss much that goes on, especially around the front area, but they have NEVER said a negative word or caused and issue with me or anyone SE I see going in EVER, so I still think in terms of being left alone to get on with things it's hard to beat personally.

he he and there I was waiting on YOU to try it so I could see were the beds any softer and how they reacted to joiners etc, the rooms are of course a little smaller than across the road but it's also cheaper, newer and (maybe) has softer beds, although I'm not sure after my staying in Mosaik all these years that I could hand on heart walk past them every day and into there and I do like and appreciate the privacy aspect of Mosaik and as I stay in the suites always going back to a "room" in a hotel might put me off somewhat, but hey once we hear YOUR review I guess we'll see ! :-) And speaking of holidays I much to my own surprise found myself sitting checking out airline fares this afternoon - and there are some really good bargains going just now it seems too so i guess once I find one with suitable flight times thats Christmas sorted, ha I don't know why I always sound surprised when I say that considered the number of years I've been doing EXACTLY the same ! :-) So, see you in you know where no doubt Anon. lol

Whats it called, the Bitch Bar perhaps ??

Tried that - and actually I struck lucky there too both on the tables and I also managed to fuck Jesus ( I kid you not !! Lol )

And firecat after what reading what you've said about timings unfortunately that'll have to be that boy off my list now for at least two weeks as I always insist that the boy hasn't been with any other sex partner for at LEAST two weeks before I will take them, so I'm always very clear in asking that question and thankfully I seem to Choose my partners well as so far that rule hasn't caused one single problem yet as not ONE of the boys I've ask had been with either another farang or Thai guy even in that time - I guess I'm just really lucky eh :-)

Ha well 7-11 mustn't be paying enough as I confirm I just got a message from him on gayromeo this morning ( which shortly of sending a polite "hi" reply to I haven't moved on yet, although I could be tarring the guy as "working" when in fact the truth is that he loved my profile and wants to be my actual boyfriend for free and forever lol ( yes I am joking about that last part just in case anyone's unsure :-) Edit - oh firecat I've just noticed your timing of the guy being with you after finishing at 7-11 - so if that was after 11 he's been a busy boy as I got my message from him at 2.15am and 3am respectively ....ohhh nearly to close to call, you could have brought him over for a cup of tea and a 3 some and perhaps we would have gotten a discount due to his lack of travel requirement ! Lol. Ha now as some on the boards are committed to saving their last baht perhaps there's the answer prearranged discounted group orgies - save 30 baht a fuck if the boy doesn't have to travel ! Again just for clarity that IS a joke ! As I'm sure we all agree we'd all pay the extra baht just to avoid having to endure such a nightmare sight ! Lol

I believe the most common word they would all probably agree on would be "E Dok" lol And Anon you got me caught out even more than usual when after telling me the other day about a boy asking after me a thai friend said to me "oh I see your friend Anon al Tan Nam" so me thinking i was being smart jumped in and said " oh yes he tell me you ask him about me, how sweet of you" only for him to glare at me and scowl at me and grunt "hummph, i not even talk with him, i just see, you obviously thinking of some other boy who ask about you i think !" - OPPS ! :-)

I'm almost sure I didn't use the words non stop in there anywhere and I did of course have a wee power nap between sessions - and in this particular case I wasn't the one with the sore ass ( seeing as you were asking :-)

@ vinapu - you ARE joking aren't you, hell it took me four days to manage to get my arise in gear enough to take ONE photo, for me to list and rate all the bars I visit would mean I'd actually have to give some thought to the matter and that to me sounds like "work" - which should of course be avoided at all costs !! My type of bar hoping is much more of the have a wee walk and have a beer in each and any bar I drop into, have a few guys join me if I feel like it and take one or two on out with me if the mood so takes me - anything more than that would require "effort" and I'd be scared I'd turn into one of those odd people that the Thais talk about who walk in and out of bars, with note books and a pencil in hand, scribbling furiously as to what style colour and material length the boys under garments are and other "important" details like that for entry into the go Go boy bar database at a later date, so sorry no, as that would just be "strange" in my thinking so I think I'll just stick with my disorganised popping in and out of places and leave our other seasoned members to do the note taking and reporting :-) Although if it's any help I CAN tell you that I was in Wild West boys last night at around 12 midnight and there were two customers and around 15 boys, they totally screwed me over for 300 baht for a "vodka and red bull" and the only vodka my glass saw was in passing the vodka bottle on the way to my table perhaps, plus it was also a small glass for the red bill they used too and full of ice so I got only about a quarter bottle of red bull anyway ! Plus there was no show on at this point and for once even I said ( into myself) - well fuck that, you'll not get that out of me twice - and they didn't and I left shortly after. So I took off one of the boys I knew of old and after our going out drinking and playing pool in a lady boy bar until 4.30am or so we went home and had GREAT sex until 2pm today (1500 baht Christian in case you're wondering) and I am now at the beach recovering and recharging my batteries for whatever / whoever destiny throws my way tonight again ( that is if I don't stop off at sansuk Sauna on the way back to my room first perhaps :-). Oh and I DO love low season here WAY more than high, peace and quiet on the beach and everyone so much more chilled - lovely ! Ps @ Khortose - I'm afraid poundies ? must be a Southern Irish thing perhaps as they don't ring a bell with me. Pps - re bells - note to self - do NOT be ringing the bell in a last boy bar at 3.30am thunking "ack sure there's only three girls behind the bar" as aside from the "look customer has bought a bar round" I've realised that it's also an unsubtle sign for every lady boy, cleaner, cook, bottle washer and any Thai just generally passing to "appear" and "oh yes they staff here long time" - long time I think referring to the 7 years ago perhaps when they last worked there ! 1400 baht later - and as if that hasn't bad enough I rang the bloody thing TWICE LOL - but hey it was ok as I got a "free" shot of some I drinkable cheap crap as I had a "good heart" so all was well in the end lol.

So, never let it be said that N.Irish guy wasn't prepared to risk life and limb for this boards readership - so Operation Shamrock is now complete AND took place at night time when Boystown was in full swing ( all / any medals or perhaps board pensions for life can be forwarded to me without further delay C/O most / just about all go go boys in Pattaya, as it's looking like they'll all see me at SOME stage on this trip ! So, for the sake of clarity I can confirm that there is ( no longer) any sign relating to "the gays" or anything of the like - now that's not to say there never was as I'm fairly sure I did see the old sign myself - but for now there isn't any and proof should it be needed that I competed this highly dangerous mission ( as I could have been lured into any number of go go bars at any time !) I have pasted a pic of the "sign wall" ( hopefully) in this post. So, if thats the owners view it appears he's now choosing to keep that view to himself - or perhaps their reputation negated the need for the continuation of the sign in the first place - who knows? Ok, so I'm off to scrap the Cam Creme off my face and ditch the webing and twigs that are sticking out of my hair and will now give myself over to a night full of gay abandon in several of BTs best / worst go go bars I think to reward myself for action over and above the call of duty in the face of the (possible) enemy :-) Oh and Christian, you'll be disappointed to hear there were no sausage rolls available on which I could report on but you'll see on the attached pic that I was sure to capture the full menu complete with PRICES all listed beside EACH item so hopefully that will suffice and keep you moist for the next few weeks ahead. Lol.

He he I'm (almost but not quite) ashamed to say that it appears that you guys know my M.O better than I do as I have to confess that as suggested by a few members I WAS indeed waylaid by the lure of Boystown - on two different nights in fact lol. But I WILL make a POINT of going on my Recee, but may have to reschedule the time of my undercover agent reporting for somewhere more in the middle of the afternoon when boystown isn't in full swing - which based on the week I've had so far will be a problem in it's self as I don't believe myself and any boy wonder who's been kind enough to share my bed have been out of it before 5pm any day this week hardly ! And before I get castigated as being a lazy sod ( which I don't deny anyway of course) I would merely add in my defence your Honour that I haven't been getting home until 6 or 7am any morning and them only usually to carry on "manoeuvres" thereafter with perhaps a few hours of broken kip ( as the air con is CRAP in my room and is driving me nuts) after that, only to wake up around 2 or 3pm and perhaps pick up from one left off earlier - and when I them add in the one ( or two) seperate short time encounters I may have have had the evening before heading out on the night before I believe my sleep ( if you could call it that) is more than overdue and earned ( and NEEDED) by that stage. So yes, Operation Shamrock is still in full swing and assuming no cute guy says anything remotely vocal to me such as "hey sexy man where you go"or "I lie you" or "show it start now" I should just about be able to manage my task I feel - and especially for Christian I MAY even report of the size, shape, price and meat content of the Shamrocks sausage rolls too if I have time and don't get distracted again !!! :-)

Yeah and for clarity I've eaten in the shamrock cafe / bar loads of times with no issues at all whatsoever as it's usually just the Thai lady staff on there anyway at night - albeit I'm usually alone and to be fair I generally pass as "straight" anyway. The funny thing was that one incident there was absolutely nothing to do with the bar or the management but just one asshole who just happened to be sitting next to me shooting his mouth off and what was even more funny / annoying was that it was after my travelling the 6000 kms or whatever from home that that ONE asshole who's mouthing off came from just up the road from me at home so I could just as easily stayed home and heard the same crap there and saved the air fare lol. Thankfully low brain people like that don't phase me one bit and I'm more than happy to stand my ground with them and find when you do they inevitably either spit their dummy out of the pram a bit and stomp off in a huff once they realise you're not going to be bullied or their mate ( who was probably joining in) ends up coming back had an hour later out of their mates earshot and apologising profusely for "their mate" ( funnily forgetting that they were joining in) and then launch into either the "I've got a lot of gay friends actually" conversation - or more interestingly " actually I've often wondered about the whole gay thing myself and whether "I" maybe wasn't a little gay when I was younger perhaps" - cue the pulling up or his bar stool and maybe moving on to another bar together later he he ;-) Re "the sign" I did always take it as more of "hey guys / gays this is just an ordinary wee Irish cafe, not a gay bar, not a sit and fondle your latest one hour hook up from boystown so PLEASE take your "boyfriends" elsewhere. Which I can sort of understand and even accept - but if it said "no gays" well "fuck em" ( except I am declaring an interest here and may well sell my gay soul for a quick bowl of stew or toasted sandwhich when the hunger is upon me in boystown or wherever as hunger wins over making a political statement everytime with me usually - what can I say I'm food Shallow ! Lol I think I'll nip back in there later this evening actually and see is said sign still up on display ! I'll post the answer later .

That'll be the Shamerock bar / cafe you'll be thinking of I believe, ha I'm always torn as on one hand with an owner like that of course one wouldn't want to give him a single baht BUT they do loads of "ordinary" every day Irish grub and "sometimes" when I'm all Thai fooded out I have to admit I do nip in for a quick bowl of stew or something just to ride me over. But I promise I keep my fingers crossed under the table the while time I'm there AND make a point of sashchying up to the counter just as gayly as I can to pay my bill as my token protest lol Actually seriously the one and only time I ever had an issue in that place was some drink dickhead who when he asked and I told him I was gay started to be a homophobic prick which of course got the standard go fuck yourself you tosser response from me - only for me to discover he actually lived about 3 miles from my home in N Ireland !! To say I was both wasn't surprised at all and was also disgusted at the small minded price all in the same breath just about covers it !! :-(

ah I understand now - what a crappy experience for you - and there I thought the Finnish were a very liberal torrent group of people, I guess you'll always get the exception no matter where you go :-( Oh well, thanks for posting that then as it's always good to know where NOT to spend your money when in Pattaya !

"LAST YEAR he found out I have a male partner." ​And you're only posting about this now ?? How very strange - what's wrong did you have another run in with him over something else maybe in the meantime or did you just perhaps recall this incident and so decided to post about it now by chance.