NIrishGuy

Yep, cause it's not like Thai boys have ever been known to tell us what they think we want to hear :-) Which is why when we've our backs turned we find they've several thai fuck buddies / REAL BF's ,,,,, and good luck to them for playing us in such a way if we're daft enough to believe them sometimes ......

"Same as if I said, "black people are rapist criminals and the scourge of society", now that would be racist." Or, if you changed Black for Mexican there's a possibility that you might then even get elected as the next President of the United States of America it seems !

^ and also if you honestly believed the guy had a million of disposable income that he could afford to lose to blackmail I think i would definitely think twice about trying to blackmail him at all as if he'd THAT sort of money and was in Thailand i'm sure you wouldn't be walking about to long to either spend his money or send pics anywhere ! * ps it goes without saying the whole blackmailing thing is a disgusting idea anyway, but I'm sure we're all taking that in the wide exaggeration that it was intended - if not - read the above and think twice about it before sending any dodgy text messages to random arabs perhaps lol

I'm assuming you watch sites like that with your own camera turned off ( or taped over even better !) as SO many of those sites ( or the people logging in to them ) are now using sites like that to rip off people video feeds who show on them, only for those same people to then find their clips of themselves "performing" all over porn sites on the net on numerous sex websites in no time. I was about to say personally I think I'd be safe enough as I'm guessing NO ONE would want to watch a video like THAT as sexy it is not I'm guessing ! However looking at some of the weird shit that's on the internet and what some people obviously ARE into I guess there's no accounting for taste and accordingly no guarantees about that of that either ! Ahhhh I see the poster above just beat me too it with a tale outling EXACTLY what I was referring to. Jerk off on cam AYOR it seems these days !

Ha, I too went on that same trip and got the same story re would I like to buy stuff for the school etc and of course like a newbie sucker I said yes - so away we went to the school ( next door to the shop from what I can recall) and duly handed over the stuff i'd bought to the teacher right in front of all the politely lined up young pupils - only for her to instantly turn and hand them back to some guy, who then proceeded to take them right back out the back door again and back into the shop, all ready to be re-sold to the next sucker who came along lol. At the time I thought "well fuck that, I've just been well scammed" however the more I thought about it I came to the conclusion that it was just a very efficient way of ( hopefully the school) making some much needed funds as I'm guessing there's only so many actual books and pencils that they need, DID they DO also need money just to pay their teacher etc so the revolving school items trick was just a good way for them to generate cash! So, being the positive thinking person I am I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt and have always since assumed that my money did in deed go to a good cause - OR someone went to a LOT of trouble setting up a fake school and roping in a few kids to sit and look like pupils to really coin it in from us idiot tourists ( probably the more likely story :-) but either way for all the little amount I'm sure I spent was it was was very worth it just to learn that little bit more of life experience.

I"m sure that fella Jesus will be livid that after 2000 years people are still attributing some of his best lines to his underlings - especially when this was him giving the big finale to his "Sermon on the Mount" gig, Matthew alas was merely reporting on JC's alleged comments - but as most of it probably never "actually" happened anyway The good news is that I doubt Jesus will sue.

Is that "fifth"!by any chance ? :-)

One would assume that but on asking for that very thing once ( more to see what they would say and see how it all worked ) I was hurriedly shoved away from the guys stand and told in no uncertain manner that it was illegal to see Thai driving licences in Thailand and that NO, they didn't do that and that I should "go away now". However when I explained I meant a British Driving Licence then the full thai smile returned and I was ushered back to the stand with a "no problem" and handed a book with ( absolutely perfect) licence and ID copies from it seemed just about every other Country in the world ! I was quoted 1000 baht and told to give my details and it would be ready ( I think he said) within 24 hours. For the record I did decline his kind offer as my enquiry was more just for nosiness sake rather than any underhand purpose. However I am of course aware that I was a farang asking the question and i'm sure you're quite right that there's a healthy supply like in fake Thai ID's also as it would be silly to assume otherwise in this day and age.

"Or if Mosaik would gets beds that don't mimic concrete......." Well now I know I've said this before as I was told it before both by customers AND management of the hotel that they had invested in farang style beds i.e. much softer than usual. I had requested one of these myself ( with great dramatics as I know the staff well there )but when I got to my room still the old bed, I moaned and was assured it would be changed the next day, however as I found myself "busy" in the room a lot both in the mornings getting up late with company and then again each time they (genuinely) tried to deliver the new bed I think both they and I just gave up on the idea after a few days ! I DID see them physically delivering new beds in the door of the hotel from a truck on my last visit so I don't doubt they have updated their stock, so I do think it's a matter now of TELLING ( not asking) them to be sure they swap the bed in your room over to a softer bed rather than just accepting what you're given - be interesting to see if anyone else can concur that they ARE actually using that new stock now and it is indeed a bit softer as there's only one thing I want hard when I'm in Pattaya and it's not usually my bed !! :-)

"the walk of shame". Alas the above description can only come into play in YOU allow it to and if YOU consider either being gay or having sex with other gay guys of a legal age with you to be something shameful. I don't and so I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone else thinks about me or my sex life. What they think is quite frankly none of MY business, just like who I'm fucking is none of theirs. "​Shame" is rife in older gay guys ( I include myself in that bracket by the way) as due to perhaps our more repressed upbringings, previous legal issues just with being gay and the worlds overall view of gay people 20 or 30 years ago, but it's something that we should actively work at overcoming as that "shame" IS only something that exists in our own minds if we allow it too. Personally I've worked hard at changing my OWN mindset re all of that over the years and thankfully now have ( quite rightly) absolutely zero "shame" about being who and what I am and if straight people don't like that then that's just tough for them I guess, but I don't care. So, book you're room and smile and say Sawatdee Khrap with confidence as you walk past your receptionist and Im fairly sure they'll say it back - and if not, then tough - who cares whatever small minded shit it going on in their heads - not my business.

Hmm actually in the past I regularly managed to merely exist in the UK plus whilst living in Thailand and all in the same month !

Or we COULD just get all existential on ourselves and ask the same question as "do you LIVE in Thailand" ( or merely exist - but I'l take it at face value and answer accordingly just i think this time - although I think my question might actually get a deeper and perhaps more illuminating set of responses maybe !? :-)

One might quite reasonably assume that however the truth is very different it seems. In my business I take "person not present" credit card payments and even much to my own surprise I can assure you that short of stopping the card being used in the future the credit card company have almost ZERO interest in physically chasing or catching the person who may be using the card illegally. I have had several cases where I spotted a fraud attempt just about go our system in my business, where goods were being requested to be delivered to a specific address etc where I was able to call and speak directly and behind the scenes to the card fraud department suggesting a simple "sting" to catch the thief upon delivery, but they had ZERO interest in assisting with that or even me reporting it to the police ( as I wanted to do) doing and told me quite bluntly that unless the attempted theft was over £15000 stg ( on each attempt !) they literally don't even bother looking into it as card theft is that common now and is overwhelming them every day that they just haven't the time or resources to look in it for less than that amount and are just happy to be able to stop card as and when a stolen one is discovered. I've also had cases where we spotted a stolen card being attempted to be used to buy goods from us, called the fraud department, flagged it up, they checked and confirmed "yes that's a stolen card for sure (based on it's usage in the last 24 hours) BUT the owner ( from the USA) hand't actually realised it had been stolen yet and so hadn't reported it and so the card company they were quite happy to go ahead and issuing us with an "authorisation number" which would have allowed my staff to proceed with that purchase ! ( again this has happened several times now).! So, on hearing this was happening and as the M.D ( (CEO) I rang them and asked what the hell they were doing issuing authorisation numbers to my staff for purchases that they KNEW were fraudulent, they explained they could as the card wasn't reported stolen "yet", BUT !!! as I later found out ( thankfully not to my cost ) the key thing here is that in their terms and conditions of service to merchants even if they give you an authorisation number for a purchase and that purchase later turns out to be stolen card but you've already delivered the goods etc, the card company STILL are allowed ( and DO ) take the funds for that transaction right back out of the businesses bank account for anything up to six months after that transaction took place ! Meaning that the credits card company still get paid in full no matter what and it's the business who are actually left out of pocket by the fraud as by then they've may well have already delivered goods to a bogus dead drop address that the thieves use commonly AND also have had to pay back the credit card company in full as well ! So, whilst they don't advertise that small but hugely important fact I'm guessing that THIS plays a large part in why they don't give a shit about chasing card fraudsters just so much perhaps ! Also in closing I can tell you that on expressing my amazement and disgust about this fact to their fraud department one guy there told me that if humanity had any idea of the REAL level of credit card fraud that goes unreported by the card companies EVERY DAY around the globe that none of us would ever want to use a credit card again - hence again why they're happy to bury that info perhaps.

"It's a bit like booking through Agoda which practices the same crap, 100 $ room costs you 117 at checkout." I think I read that Agoda have now changed that policy for the very reason being discussed that it was pissing so many people off seeing one advertised price and ending up having to pay another. I think they now advertise "the price you see is the price you pay" as I know their competitors were hammering them for a while over all of that. I "think" I'm right about that anyway, unless I'm dreaming the last time I went to book something :-) And to the Op and to keep on thread - you're absolutely right to walk out, however I think we assume that every guy is chasing a tip, I'm guessing with the likes of this waiter he would rather you just hadn't of came into the place so he could continue his important call and as you walked out not tipping he was thinking "yeah great, keep walking, I really couldn't give a shit, right now friend on the phone what was that you were saying again" ......... Actually this whole stupid expectations of a tip for every small stupid thing you do throughout a day is one of the many small and very minor reasons I'm getting that I can't be bothered dragging my ass all the way to Thailand again. Buy a coffee, tip, buy an ice cream, tip, buy a beer, some guy happens to speak to you when you don't even want him too ( hello what your name) and won't take the hint, tip, every waking minute hands out for tips for me just getting through the day - and it's not the money, just the hassle of it - my god it appears I've woken up a right grumpy bastard this morning lol

Which of course if taken like that in a stop start once in a while pattern will result in it haven't absolutely no effect whatsoever, I'm not sure who I feel sorrier for the boy taking it to suit his customer, or the customer for being told "I'm taking prep" - mind you both are or at least should be 100% responsible for their own actions and decisions and ultimately their sexual health I guess it perhaps balances out that they're both equally crazy and or deluded or both.

Especially in Pattaya !!

Shy and Pattaya - now there's two words that should really never have to be put together in the same sentence.......There's nothing we could think or do that hasn't been done a million times before, so don't waste your time and holiday with shy, get up and get on with whatever makes you happy, it's not like anyone there REALLY cares :-) ( * assuming you're not doing anything particularly offensive of course that is as then you might find that they start to care "a bit" :-)

I think you'll find that that's a world wide practice and one which is designed to safeguard the well being of the hotel staff member to ensure they're not attacked by their horny hotel guests who all ASSUME that the staff are permanently horny for white guys ( even though they are probably knackered and see white guys every day). Or assume that the staff are lowly paid / eager enough that they'll "obviously" be up for it if propositioned ( and offered money by some it seems) - although as I have stayed in hotels where I've shagged the staff before ( without offering money I should add) I guess THAT second part of the managements plan doesn't work quite so well - thank goodness :-)

Ok and as there's nothing more I can or need to add over and above what I've already said I'll leave it at ok and up to you and the best of luck with that I guess.

I think again you're missing the difference between trying to "pick up" and propositioning a stranger / hotel worker by instantly offering them money for sex. I really can't understand how some people can't see the difference in those two things, are our experiences in Thailand and elsewhere REALLY making us lose out basic sense of treating others with a modicum of respect or do we just think that everyone everywhere is just there to be bought for our own pleasure. ( Latin if you're reading this don't bother replying under any alias we already know what your response is going to be.)

Maybe. Or alternatively as I do only visit occassionally I may have a more detatched view perhaps - or not, who knows. But I do know that if the many of the conversations I've had with many bar boys I've known are anything to go by their views of us farang don't leave us projecting such a great an image perhaps, but of course that is of course only one VERY small segment of society and perhaps Thai society overall thinks farang are wonderful, but personally I doubt that, but like I say, who knows. Mind you the one thing I think most farang DO agree on is that we farang might NEVER know what most Thai's think anyway so perhaps it's of little use even wondering.

And if anything the above is maybe a great post to start our next thread about "Are we delusional as to what we THINK Thai people think of us / most farang or are their happy smiles and regular Wai's all throughly meant and that they think that in general most of us farang are actually the lovely chaps that we all surely know ourselves to be :-) My view just for the record is that we're tolerated rather than accepted or appreciated and if we all went home tomorrow they wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it ( after they worked out how to replace their National / personal short term drop of income perhaps).

For clarity, you're quite right GB and I totally agree that there's absolutely nothing wrong with using the old "card trick", in fact it could almost be considered quite quaint in this day and age, it was just an amount of money being noted on the back of the card that I think would leave us open to the accusation of bad judgement as it could ( and would) have projected a clear message as to what one was assuming about the person you were handing the card to in the first place. Actually from my limited experience in such matters cough cough I would suggest that one might in fact have a much BETTER chance of success at pulling said cute guy with OUT adding any money figure to the card and simply handing it over and letting the chips fall where they may. If the guy is monetarily minded he would no doubt broch that issue early on with you. However, if he's NOT and is out for some fun / a date / a BF then you could just have found yourself a very willing and available guy ( for free) who actually thinks we're a nice guy too for handing him a business card and saying you're interested in knowing him more. And glad to see the "close the thread" was a joke as of course there is absolutely no need too as we're all thick skinned enough to handle such nice innocent discussions as this one I trust :-)

No self righteousness there at all, as A447 has quite rightly pointed out I'm happily to conform and confirm the slut label if that's what people chose to think, I've no problem with that whasoever. You also went on to suggest " I bet you don't tell people at home what you get up to in Thailand" etc and you couldn't be more wrong there either, I have no secrets in my life from anyone and anyone who knows me or cares to ask gets told EXACTLY and sometimes in too much graphic detail Im told "what i get up to" when in Thailand. My point, as A447 quite rightly picked up on, is the vast difference between us all shagging the ass off as many sex workers as we feel like when in Thailand (not a thing wrong with that in my book) versus our going up to some total stranger in perhaps their place of employment where they can't answer back as they might like to) and handing them a card which basically insinuates " hey, you're Thai so lets face it you're possibly / probably a prostitute / money boy on the side so hey I'm offering 1000 baht to fuck you". leading to my orginal comment as to "and we wonder why Thai's think some / most farang are slimeballs. And as for what has my post added to the board ( aside from it being my opinion which of course I'm fully entitled to) it has also added to and created further discussion re what this very thread was about i.e "propositing a member of hotel staff" so I cant think anywhere MORE appropriate to post it perhaps. As A447 has already stated in my view there's a world of difference between normal every day flirting and chancing your luck with an every day person out in the real world ( i.e non sex scene) hotel staff or not, to see where that gets you, compared to walking up to them and handing them a card basically saying " hey, you're Thai so on the law of averages you're probably a hooker so here's my number and I'll pay you 1000 for a fuck, so call me if I'm right" I'm not sure what else I can say to explain the difference between those two things for those that share a different viewpoint. And lastly I am NOT "judging" the person as I fully accept we're all roughly cut from the same cloth when it comes to fucking around, but I am flagging up the differnce between negotiating with sex workers and how we deal with the rest of the world's everyday population enmasse without at least "appearing" to be the creeps that a lot of Thai's already think / know we are.