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Ha I too have stopped in my tracks before and had to take a good second look when I came up upon that very same "Neals Scooter" situation as it is parked in almost exactly the same position as where he always left his heavy duty machine. Thankfully I did see someone else driving off on it later on so no, definitely not his nor him returning to haunt and harass the lady owner of "his" beach concession ( or so he seemed to think merely as he'd sponsored the wifi there for a while). That is until the lady owner there well and truly handed him his ass in a sling one day over him being just a bit too bossy for her liking and quickly put him in his place and put him right on that score once and for all from what I remember - leading to him then throwing a tantrum, moving sections and calling her for everything for weeks thereafter I seem to recall - much to the delight of a few of her other regulars who later posted same I recall :-) Nice pics too - although ( through no fault of yours or your pics) they more sort of reminded me of just what I'm "not" missing there just now perhaps, which is kind of sad as of late to me same same ( which used to bring a smile to my face is now "actually" just more a case of absolutely same same now perhaps and not in a good way :-( But thanks for taking the time to post for us all anyway - including your very own selfie no less ! Wow, aren't we getting the brave boy who obviously doesn't give a shit who sees or knows you there or not, good for you !

And still ARE and a lot of the time are still valid too !

Oh and one POSITIVE that I think is worth mentioning out of being open with people and something that had never occurred to me until it happened.......several years after having the above type of open conversation with a few friends and after my singing the praises of some hot random guy I'd met / fucked and after I'd showing my friends his pics on Facebook, at least two of them came back to me and said "oh thank god, we all just assumed that anyone who went to Thailand was up to no good there and was just going there to fuck young boys - and they meant YOUNG boys so thank god you're not one of THOSE guys eh !" So, ( aside from my shock and disgust they would even THINK that about me) they were actually relieved to be shown that "no, the sex tourists they had read about weren't all deranged evil paedophiles going to Thailand just to prey on "young" boys and that 99% of us are just normal everyday citizens who just happen to like a good fuck - lots - and with of course guys ABOVE any legal age limits !! Whilst It was shocking and a bit annoying even to have to HAVE that type of conversation with ( not so close to be fair) friends, but we all know homophobia runs deep in even the seemingly nicest person and straight people's general "fears" and misunderstandings about gay people in general can if let run riot know no bounds it seems, so my quick discussion instantly dispelled all this myths for them ( well probably 75% of them anyway as I wouldn't be surprised it they STILL thought that anyway there after ! ) But, my point was that my friends were HAPPY that I shared my life with them and I now post various pics of guys I've met in Thailand and other Countries as I travel on Facebook etc and my friends quite happily reply and comment and post and chat away to the guys happy in knowing that there's nothing untoward going on. So it seems that sometimes being open and honest DOES have an UP side and one that we rarely might even think we need to consider or think about but for our straight friends perhaps less so!

Sorry and what I meant to add to the above but the edit time beat me was that people, when standing around in the work canteen etc come out with the ( totally fake) "OHHHH so, you go to thailand a lot then eh, ohhhh I wonder what takes you THERE then so much eh ? Is it the temples or is it something ELSE perhaps eh EHH ??, oh do tell us all then ?" is all just pure power play and a way to TRY and make you feel small and embarrassed and beneath them and your peers all based on their OWN insecurities in life! A simple answer of yeah "I love Thailand for the temples and the food there and the weather is always lovely too and boy are the guys there hot, wall to wall sex for as long as I can handle it and as much as I want and all REALLY cheap too , yeah it's GREAT there" - just INSTANTLY blows them and their wee game right out of the water and instantly takes away the power that they perceived they held over you right up to that point. Then you can be sure that either a) they'll never fuck with you again or b) others will either all huddle together in (fake) disgust talking about you OR c) no one will give a real fuck anyway and life goes on and most people will probably having a grudging respect for you that you didn't fall for the shame tactics and that you didn't try to lie or hide who and what you are to anyone and all just be thankful that the office bully picked on you and not them ( and that you stood up to them and their bullying tactics). Maybe try it sometime, you might be pleasantly surprised by the outcome - or I guess you could end up fired, lose your job, your house and all your friends lol - I have no idea, that part is up to you - but my guess is it'll be the first outcome ( well, hopefully anyway ! :-)

Abidismali - by your own admission you say you find it hard to believe the few people ( including me I'll presume) who have said they have no issue telling everyone, anyone or no one as we see fit how we choose to live our lives, perhaps you should simply accept that others ARE different from you and are not it seems bound up in the same "taboo's" that you believe exist. I am aware that culturally things are different in different places but for me namazu's post sums things up perfectly. One tell's who one wants to have a discussion with, ignores the rest, gives levels of information, not based on shame but just people requirement to know me ( whether professionally or otherwise) - if ANYONE point blank asked "DO you fuck guys when you go to Thailand and do you sometimes pay them" well they'd either be told to fuck off and mind their own business ( if I didn't like them and they were just being a prick) but from a "shame" point of view "No, never would I lie about that, I've no need to, I'm not doing anything wrong' ( as far as MY values are concerned, others might have different values but ai could care less about that and that as I said about is THEIR problem not mine. The going for a shit methaphore and whether you tell people about that etc whilst graphic is a perfect example of this topic in practice certainly in my life and so my question to you would to look at why you're perhaps SO far back in feeling the need to either explain yourself to others or to make up wee stories to "put them off the track" that you should maybe look more about how you're viewing your own life and stop giving a shit so much what others think of you - as really short of gossiping most people are WAY to busy worrying what everyone else is thinking of THEM to REALLY give a shit about you or your life, don't waste your energy on such trivial matters maybe ? Just a thought.

I agree with you that it's sad that people feel that it's a taboo, but I think a lot of that is something that they've allowed to build up in their own minds or lives perhaps and re your 'I don't know any sex tourist who is open etc" - well, you do now.....me ( and I'm sure plenty of others ? "I find it hard to believe you tell your collegues and father, mother, brother, sister that you go to Thailand as a sex tourist. I think even you lie about that when they ask you. Your father and mother know you are a sex tourist? Your boss knows? Really?" You think wrong I can assure you, I have no reason to lie to anyone about anything in my life, well more than did you eat one cake or two with that cup of coffee yesterday perhaps :-) - I don't want to come across as it sounding like I intend it to be something like bravado or something but I simply "don't" ( have) to lie about such things to anyone - mother, work co-workers, friends etc etc, it's just not an issue. If I mention Im going to Thailand they'll just KNOW why I'm going, to enjoy a good holiday and have a good few fucks while I'm there, it's not a big deal or anything out of the ordinary ( well aside from I can manage to GET the fucks in the first place perhaps but that's a whole different story perhaps :-) - and yes, before you ask they know I fuck money boys sometimes if the mood takes me. ​it's only becomes an issue and something to hide if "I" feel that I'm doing something that I shouldn't and I don't, it's my life, if someone else doesn't like it.....well I don't know what to say about that other than I guess that that would be their problem not mine ? It reminds me of the old Irish joke of the 80 year old catholic man who goes into confession and tells the priest "father, I've been having sex with this young beautiful hot 25 year old girl who lives in the next village" and the Priest replies " well, it's not illegal Seamus so why are you telling me this?" - and the man replies - "Why am I telling YOU this Father hell I'm 80- year old, I'm telling bloody EVERYONE !" :-)

Not angry - saddened was the word I used - if angry that would be at society making people feel like they have to hide part of their lives - and yes that's hide not keep private, two different things and if you weren't doing something you thought at some level you thought you shouldn't you wouldn't give a shit whether it was private or not I'm guessing. However preserving your privacy is your choice and your right and I already said that I fully understand that some people who are not out etc may wish to do that, so fair enough, up to them. And as for dumb and unnecessary - are ANY of our opinions on here "necessary" and dumb, no, "I" dont think so, that's why I posted it, you of course may not agree and that is perfectly fine, but you haven't swayed my opinion, nor I I doubt yours - and THAT'S perfectly fine by me too. If you want to go about being private in life that's up to you, me personally, as I said I generally can't be bothered much to anyone that matters to me as "the truth will usually out in the end anyway I find" - but of course as you're only being private and not lying to people in any way that thankfully wouldn't be an issue of you anyway so no worries there then thankfully.

This thread is quite saddening that even now some gay people don't feel able or willing to be at ease with others ( and themselves) enough perhaps to be open and honest with the world in general about their every day lives if asked by people they care enough to give an answer to. I do understand that some people aren't "out" and I guess that's a reason to be cautious etc but if that's not the case then what's wrong with just saying the truth i.e I go for a nice holiday as I love it there and if pushed then adding "and as I meet loads of cute guys" and if pushed further then " and yes for lots of hot sex with those same cute guys too", Or if feeling a little less open than that and don't want to enter into the conversation then what's wrong with "I go for a holiday and to have lots of fun" - and if they reply with some dig or knowing smile with "ahhh but what SORTS of fun" a simple answer of "well what sort of fun do YOU think I mean " and a quizzical telling off look on your face meaning "so if you seemingly already think you know then why the fuck are you asking me anyway ?" Personally I refuse to let ANYONE shame me into having to tell lies about who I am, I'll either happily tell the absolute truth if I feel I want to and feel it's a conversation I want / can be bothered having - or if it's not then I've obviously deemed to it to be none of their fucking business and so they don't deserve any sort a sensible answer other than " I go cause I like it there" anyway. Fuck the guilty and secrecy, life's to short and in my experience no one REALLY gives a fuck anyway and if asked in a group and you try to hide it you get them all nudging each other with a knowing "ahhhh I knew it" smile at your expense, whereas if you reply "I go as I just love the lady boys there" you'll normally get a moments silence, followed by a hesitation and then a collective "oh well, good for you mate, whatever makes you happy" - closely followed by at least one of the group coming up to you privately later to ask a) were you serious back there and when you say you were then starting to tell YOU about HIS secret holidays when he was fucked senseless by a lady boy and loved it and then asking you not to tell anyone ! And finally there's usually ONE person in that group who will strut off with a "well I don't care I think it's disgusting" going on - and THEY are the one's who you can bet are living the biggest lie of all and are out in gay saunas and cruising in public parks and toilets and doing stuff that half of us wouldn't be caught doing ever. So, fuck other people and their judgements and (fake) shocked attitudes, lifes to short to give a shit what others think and they're all just as scared as we are that we give a shit about THEIR dark and dirty secrets - which of course we absolutely don't anyway !

And an instant throw back for all of us who enjoyed sitting in the Copa watching the show, only trouble is over the years I've sat there for so long that I now can't hear the original song without expecting it to contain that song clip they used with the camera shutter clicking, cut and looped and playing over and over and OVER again ! Awww I miss it already :-(

Ahhhh what sweet memories, as that was the very first line that got me into playing around with guys in the first place :-) Unfortunately now as I'm getting on it's more like they're saying "it's ok, we've seen yours you can put it away again now", but I'm not going down without a fight - or at least 1000 baht for my troubles if I'm made to go down on them in the first place ! :-)

Aside from what we all THINK we know about the law the one thing that we can all agree on I'm sure is that we all could do without the hassle and shame of a wrongly made accusation ) or conviction based on the whole "twink" thing - and for those that say the onus is on the police etc to prove the guys are under 18 etc have a read at the following article which involves a guy who lives not 20 miles from my house and who's life was ripped apart by this very topic - it makes sobering reading and is a place that none of us I'm sure would ever want to find ourselves - especially after doing nothing wrong or illegal ! Have a read..... ( and apologies in advance for the length, I was going to post a hyper link but it wouldnt work - and as the article is 100% about the topic we're speaking of I felt it was worth copy and pasting for those that are interested ....... "I've been spat at, suspended from work and forced to come out...my life is in tatters; CHILD PORN CLAIMS HELLSocial worker Mike tells of ordeal after false allegations by policeSocial worker Mike tells of ordeal after false allegations by police." EXCLUSIVE BY JILLY BEATTIE AN innocent man wrongly accused by police of making and storing child porn on his computer has told how his life has been left devastated since his arrest two years ago. Social worker Mike Whitla was found not guilty at the Crown Court 10 days ago of 15 charges brought against him by the PSNI. After a forensic investigator delved into his computer files and discovered he could not have committed the alleged offences, the prosecution failed to offer any evidence against him. The judge ordered the jury to return a not guilty verdict on each charge. But the fall-out from the investigation created a living nightmare for Mike, from Bangor, Co Down, that has not ended with the court verdict. He has revealed how he was: Suspended from his work with vulnerable children Forced to come out as a gay man Abandoned by almost all of his friends, and Spat on in a shop. Mike has also revealed how he slumped into serious depression, twice tried to take his own life, and wrote suicide notes to the only five people he still trusted in the world. The 34-year-old said he now wants other people to know how he fell foul of the law despite doing nothing wrong. Mike added: "I was able to prove I had done nothing but my life is still in tatters and somehow I'll have to rebuild it. "At least now I know who my real friends are and I can go forward from here. But it broke me and I'll never be the same again." Mike had been a social worker for 10 years, mainly at the Lakewood Residential Care Centre for at-risk young people in Bangor, when his life was catapulted into turmoil. DEDICATED He said: "I was very privileged to have a safe and loving childhood and family. "My entire working life had been dedicated to protecting and helping young people who weren't as fortunate as me. "So when I was accused of having indecent images of children I nearly collapsed. "Not only is that not part of my personality, the very essence of my career is about protecting people, not hurting them or putting them at risk." Mike was at home with his mother Aubreen when 12 officers arrived at the door with a search warrant in October 2013. They searched every piece of furniture in the home, every room, the attic, sheds and a garage and took computers and phones. Mike added: "I was sure they had the wrong house so I kept asking them what they were looking for. "When they eventually told me I helped them gather everything up. "I'd no problem with the search really because I'd nothing to hide. They said they'd had a complaint and if I'd done nothing wrong, I'd nothing to worry about." But Mike, who had not come out to his mother at the time, had not realised his occasional searches on an over-18 gay website had triggered advert pop-ups that automatically stored deep in his computer. And seven months after the PSNI raid he got the worst news of his life when the police mistook them for child porn. Mike was arrested by two officers at his home, questioned and charged at Bangor PSNI station with making and storing 71 images of children, ranging in seriousness from grade one to five. He said: "To be honest I thought the officers were coming to give me my computer back and apologise for the confusion. They looked so grim. "Then they said they were arresting me on child porn charges. I knew there had to be mistake and I got a solicitor to meet me at the station. "But when she came back into the interview suite after being shown the images, her face was pale. "In that second I knew something was seriously wrong but I couldn't work out what it was. "I could see my life tumbling into chaos and I didn't know what to do. I kept asking to see the images because there had to be some explanation for them and after a while the officers agreed to show me the grade five image. "I braced myself. I knew from my work with troubled and vulnerable young people that typical grade five images involved abusers with babies. "I felt sick. There was no way, just no way. But still, these men were police officers and they had said they had a picture." The officer flipped a page to show Mike a picture of a semi-naked young man. Hugely relieved, he told police the image was of a "twink". Mike said: "I'd never seen it before but it was a twink - that's gay slang for a feminine man over 18. "The officers hadn't a clue what I was talking about. "I said he was about 24 and they laughed. They said the picture was of a boy of 13 and that I was going to court where the jury will agree he was a child." The word twink is used in gay lingo to refer to a man aged between 18 and the early-20s who has certain characteristics such as an effeminate manner, a slim build and no body or facial hair, which all contribute to a youthful look. And all 71 of the images found on the computer were of twinks. Mike added: "I was released on police bail. "In desperation I had to come out to my mum and family. "Then I had to find someone who could examine the images the police had found and show they were not of my making - and more importantly that they were not of children. I'd no idea where to start and really fell into a complete mental breakdown where I started to doubt myself and my sanity. "I got so sick I planned my suicide. "Fortunately I failed twice and in the end I turned to the Rainbow Project and broke down in their office and told them what I was going through. "They were amazing and said they would support me all the way. While my solicitor got a forensic computer expert to analyse the police evidence, the Rainbow Project set up a presentation for my solicitor and barrister to explain the sort of language used in the gay scene including twink. "I think if one of the officers who arrested me had been a gay man I'd never have been put through this nightmare. "But they live in a different social world to me." After 20 months of hell, two suicide attempts, the loss of his job, friends and his social life, Mike was given some hope. The computer expert discovered the 71 images found in the police search were in fact ads featuring men aged 18 and over. And he also found Mike had neither looked for the images, uploaded, seen or knowingly stored them. On April 28 at Belfast Crown Court, Judge Grant directed the jury to return not guilty verdicts on each of the 15 charges of child porn. Mike said: "The judge said I was free to go without a stain on my character and I walked away afraid that I was dreaming." RUINED But he added he has been left "in limbo" with his life ruined by the false claims. He said: "My reputation is ruined.The justice system must learn from this so no one is put in this position again. "If it had not been for my mum Aubreen, my brother Richard and his wife Suzie, and my friends Marcus and Georgie, I'd probably be dead by now."

Simple answer yes they can if they really feel the urge to look. If some customs officer happens to click on "pictures" and the folder contains nothing much I'm guessing he'll wave you on, HOWEVER be assured if something sparked the Governments interest not only could they delve further than you'd every imagine into your iPad but also into your entire life and your entire browsing history and downloads over years etc etc, but assuming you've nothing to SHOULDNT be there I wouldn't worry too much. Why not upload everything to "the cloud" and save ALL your pics ( and email and everything else from your normal everyday life" to there, that then will speed up your iPad and also mean that you've nothing "saved" on it and you can clear your pics gallery before heading off, knowing that everything is still there and saved for you on your return - and also MUCH better for you if you ever loose your iPad or it fails as you won't then loose all your data - I assume you're also "backing up" your stuff too occasionally as you go or have your iPad set to do that automatically to the cloud perhaps ?? If not you REALLY should. Hope that helps.

So, listed in no particular order and perhaps a little more tongue in cheek than was intended by the OP, but they ARE songs that remind me of gay Thailand ( and some a sure sign that I'm probably drinking in the wrong bars most of the time !) Probably THE most annoying song I hear in thailand - or maybe I just hate it that much I notice it more..... Closely followed by a song so often murdered by SO many farang in way too many karaoke bars at 3am ( Including myself of course when mao :-) Ha when I first arrived in Thailand I thought I'd found my ideal Thai partner who just seemed to "get me" as he could even tell me what songs suited me to sing and what I'd like and I was SO impressed at his international knowledge of such music - until I quickly realised that it seems that ALL farang, when drunk all sing the same shit songs and Thai's have been forced to listen to them for the last 40 years and know I and hate them) better than we do !! Another Thai classic that I normally hear and always brings a smile to my face at least once a week during my June and July trips...... Moving on to an ACTUAL Thai song, I like this one ( just generally) and always get the signer in the cabaret bar next door to DJ Station to sing it for me at least once each trip, where he makes a point of thanking me for picking a nice Thai song for him for a change ! Oh and we cant of course forget that Pattaya classic that we all love / hate so much ! And finally ( and one meant in a genuine and most respectful way) a "song ?' / music that I really like to hear when at the cinema which once I hear it instantly tells me that I can relax for my holiday as I'm in Thailand ( and reminds me to quickly stand up in case I get too relaxed enjoying it and stay seated by mistake !)

I'm just still wondering why we're not to call what is obviously a group of trip reports a trip report ? Welcome though they are none the less of course....

Welcome to the board Homtom, your posts are being well received, do free free to post and chat away just as often you feel the urge. One tip that might be useful for you - if you find it tiresome or it takes a long time to type out posts ( for whatever reason even that you just want to go do something else in between typing) a quick and simple method is sometimes to type your post onto a word document, then you can save it as you go and spell check it and things as you go - also it avoids that annoying "timing out" issue where you can loose everything you've just sat and typed ( we've all been there !). Then once you're happy with your post and it's all complete just copy and paste across into the posting box here and you're good to go - saves a lot of stress that way :-) Looking forward to your next posts just whenever you feel in the mood.

T'is Thailand and is Eros we're talking about, so what stopped you !? :-)

Short of that being by choice I would have to ask WHY NOT, I mean hell Christian you moved to Thailand for the hot guys I'm sure rather than great job prospects so when in rome and all that......you've lived there a long time now Christian, time marches on and you're not getting any younger so what are you waiting for, get stuck in there and enjoy the smorsasbord of hot sexual opportunities for all that Bkk etc has to offer surely - no ??

Well a gentleman never tells of course, so, seeing as how that totally rules me out then .....so, where to begin..... So, after a very drunken night out in a late night karaoke club with a regular Thai "friend" we ended up joining in the company of 4 other thai's and all ended up having one hell of a night out with them all, both in the club and thereafter. So without going into ALL the details so there was me, suddenly thrust into an unexpected 6 sum ( although are random 6sums EVER expected i wonder!?) with myself, 3 gay guys, a ladyboy and a ( hot) straight guy all ( well the gay guys anyway) laying naked and lubed across my (very large) bed in Mosiak, I mean it IS Pattaya so what's a guy to do, it would be rude not to ! So during a leisurely three hour fuck fest and after my happily fucking my way across and through the line up of gay guys who were all taking turns at fucking the shit out of each other too in between times, as I fucked across the line and over to the last gay guy I found myself right up close and personal and parallel with the lady boy on her back and the straight guy who was ( very impressively if I may say) fucking her too. Actually my own thrusts ended up falling into a (somewhat purposefully) almost perfect rhythm with the straight guys as we both fucked our respective partners and he and I actually ended up gently rubbing each others shoulder and back in gentle encouragement as we both shagged away together in unison - which was all strangely as hot as hell for some reason. So, that was all fine and I did suggest to the straight guy that he might like to try to swap sides for an evening but he was having none of it. So, off he went to the bathroom as I finished up, however a little later and a bit out of boredom and a bit out of sheer "ah why the hell not I'm in Pattaya" I progressed on across the line up and slid on over to the lady boy, which which she was certainly up for, although I did notice that she was perhaps just a little more hesitant than she had been when getting nailed by the straight guy but I just that put down to him just being an overall better shag than I was of course but she still seemed to enjoy herself none the less. So, I carried on for a bit and after a while the straight guy returned from the bathroom and I did notice him closely watching us as I shagged her and I assumed he was getting off on that in some way so I carried on for a while longer. So, when we were done the ladyboy got up and went off to the bathroom and when cleaned up both she and the straight guy got up and left ( with a genuinely small tip of thanks from me for the nights overall entertainment) - only for one of the gay guys to THEN tell me that ACTUALLY the straight guy was the ladyboys full on and genuine long term boyfriend and that they'd only been out together for a night out and certainly hadn't intended to join us or get caught up in our company and he certainly had never intended his girlfriend to get nailed as he nipped out to the toilet by some bloody farang !! OOPS !! Ha but thankfully as this did all happen in Pattaya I'm sure that a) the straight guy got over the annoyance of watching his GF getting fucked after about 10 minutes flat and or enjoyed watching and b) they probably DID know what was going down all along anyway, either way I'm still here to tell the tale so no face was lost and no harm was done and a good night was had by all - well, most certainly by me :-)

Did I miss something ? "Multiple members" - wow, must have been one hell of a punch up ( over nothing I assume as usual :-) - aren't we getting a little over protective perhaps, surely we're all adults here and not beyond sticking up for ourselves without teacher having to step in to defend us - no ??

And hard all night too it seems but ......( ok go on, cue the 'oh that would be NO problem to me brigade", you know you're all busting to ! :-)

I find a swift slap of their bollox with a loud "FUCKING MOVE OVER WOULD YOU" often moves them fast enough, tis my bed so "I" get the 75% thank you very much - plus inevitably I'm usually about 4 sizes larger than any Thai guy so it seems only fair to me - and at the risk of sounding like Latin......if they don't like it there's always the floor, they're free to use it ! Steal my money - maybe and silly me for leaving it out - but steal my bed and ruin MY nights sleep - never ! :-) I am half joking above as of course just as you've said they are experts at the steal the bed routine ( I guess they spend so long in other guys beds they build up the back for it !) - I've actually seem myself being pushed to the 15% of what's left of the bed, only for my then to have to get out of one side and go around the other and get back in again - and MOST frustratingly only for the buggers to slide back over to that new side and start all over again ! HMMMM, now that I think about it perhaps they're trying to tell me something lol

OMG no, not in my parents house as my mother was VERY strict about such things and she made it very clear that there was to be no jerking off in front of cameras or otherwise until I'd finished dinner AND had cleared my plate, yes, she was very strict about that - and indeed insisted on those rules until I was at least 21, whereupon she did lighten up a LITTLE bit ( bit only mainly about the clearing the plate part not the timings - a strict religious and moral upbringing I had thats for sure.

What time was this at roughly ? I only ask as sometimes I see people saying "I walked through sunee at 5pm and it was dead" and I think to myself "well what did you expect as the bars aren't open yet by then?" but I'm guessing as you already stated "last night" that you mean much later, which if true is sad in itself :-(

Just lets not talk about that apprentice Judas who went along with the Romans campaign to instigate a fair staff minimum wage policy, where he reported his boss Jesus just in order to collect the Romans 30 pieces of silver - and MAN those Romans must have really taken workers rights seriously in those days as I heard that they really crucified that guy Jesus over that ! :-)