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I had no problem with massage boy telling me the price of oil massage and price for happy ending. Some farang will play the game of not knowing it's extra for the happy ending and cheat the boy. Sorry if some here don't know about the low life's that cheat, lie and steal from the boys and brag about it in the bars. Pattaya draws in low life's and bar flies from everywhere. Plenty of good men too but the boys run into a couple of scumbags and then learn fast.

I agree. Sweeping generalizations rarely true for all situations. I also believe many Thais think of their farangs as their property and don't want poachers. We can be gold mines.

Good to hear T ball. Many forget the golden rule. He who has the gold rules. Some of us try so hard to be loved, we surrender our power to the boy. The boy doesn't see it as love, just weakness and foolishness. Generalizing here, without scientific proof. T Ball knows his stuff .

SorryT ball. A controlling Thai guy is a nightmare. So many older farang give up their power to the boys and allow the boy to lead them around as if they had a ring thru their nose. Jealous bfs don't give a shit about your happiness, their only concern is the money and if you spend elsewhere they can not get it. It's not love, it's control. So many foolish old men give away their power and become pathetic weak pussies. I have no idea if this applies to T Ball and it is not personal. It's fairly common to see wimpy old farangs who live in terror of controlling Thais. Henpecked and castrated foolish men.

All this viral talk has reminded me to get a shingles vaccine shot. Not cheap in USA but widely available. Anyone know if the shingles vaccine available in Thailand and if so, the price.

It's contagious . If the boy means anything to you, bring him to have the warts frozen off or burnt off. The warts are also inside the body. I believe the virus is related to herpes and goes thru eruption cycles and dormant cycles. Do a google search for the answers.

It's more a matter of narcissistic personality disorders. In simple terms, men who think it's all about them. I enjoy this forum because of the many trip reports and also the gayromeo reviews. I certainly have zero interest in men who are self obsessed and think others need to know every kink of their lives. We are only a short step away from posting fecal matter and turning the forum into a toilet. I've had enough and will check out the ignore feature and wash my hands.

Sometimes, the boys think long time means the moment the sun rises, they are finished and ready to leave. I have been too groggy to argue and wonder if the lad slept at all or stayed up waiting for sunrise. On the other extreme, are boys who sleep over and want to sleep far into the afternoon. For an extreme farang example , take one American who insists he come 3 times in the boys ass (with condom) for full payment . He's probably about 50 and doesn't care if the boy has a cock. He's disliked by the boys, fem and ladyboys and resorts to the ladies on Walking Street when he can't find a boy to agree to his 3 ejaculations in their ass requirement. This farang is usually bitter about the boys and feels a deal is a deal.

Is Nid the one who preens in the mirror and comes alive when a woman enters ToyBoy? Very cocky and full of himself? I have found that the boys who strip down as they enter the room to be the ones who try to get you to come as quickly as possible so they can go back to the bar for the next shot for an off. One boy with a great ass would insist I shower with him and he would to chuck wow me in the shower and try get out in a very short time. It didn't work. The same boys will be showering seconds after your release and dressed in no time. Fine, if it works for you but I have more in mind thann a 10-15 minute encounter. These boys never want to stop to eat and just want to get back to your room and out as soon as possible.

Sorry to inform vin, but blonde white women in groups now frequent visitors to Boyzboyzboyz shows as well as the XBoy bars shows. Sometimes, younger and slimmer groups , sometimes older and plumper groups. Haven't seen them in Sunee, although one blonde young woman earned notoriety for public display in Eros boys one night. If you really want to escape from the Russian women, only a male sauna still safe. The women even go into the male massage places in Boyztown area. Infrequently now but as long as business is poor, anyone with baht will be welcomed.

XBoysland has fallen on hard times. Much fewer boys and several inept as Gogo boys. Show was poor and featured one inept chunky guy that moved like an old farang. Salaries lowest in the area and less than a US dollar (1) paid for the boy to do big cock show. With high drink prices and ashtrays for the asking, I agree with firecat and will wait to hear a positive before venturing back. XBoys, just across the Soi much better. Drink prices same but much better looking guys. Can get very smoky and loud.

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Maybe you should pm him.

I called a lad at a Jomtien Complex massage place to see if he was working and would be free. He said he could come to my room, as long as I paid the 300b. Fee. He checked with his boss. It was much better in my room and he was sensational the first time in the massage place. You never know what's possible when the boy likes you and you pay well for good service.

Some old men never look at themselves critically. They believe in fairy tales and when the dream crashes back into reality, they get cynical, call the Thai boys whores and make themselves feel superior and better . The facts of life are ignored by the average farang. Nobody would touch ancient morbidly obese hairy bodies or kiss an ugly wrinkled face without compensation. Imaging its love is just desperation and deep denial. Believing teenage boys prefer 70 y.o. men is delusional thinking and when the party's over, instead of being grateful for the idyllic episode, the reaction is bitterness and anger. When you believe in Santa Claus, there always comes a day when reality destroys the fairy tale and it's time to grow up and be a man. Put the lights on and your tri-focals, strip naked and look hard into the full length mirror. That should whip one back from love sickness into stark reality in a few seconds.

This sub- forum needs updating at least annually.

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In Pattaya, most assume the boys only want money from gay farangs. What many don't realize is that most of Boys want money from their Thai friends as well, when they know the friend has money. The Thai girlfriends want the boys money and so does mama back in the village. It's a cultural thing for the lower class and when someone has money, everyone eats and drinks. Clothing, motorbikes, mobile phones are all shared with the expectation that the generosity will be returned when fortune shines on their friends. When one goes out with Thai boys, the one who has the money pays, be he Thai or farang. Because someone isn't ancient or obese, the important factor is if he has money. It's a matter of survival in a world with no free lunch unless someone pays. It goes without question that even young handsome guys still have to pay working boys for their services. It all works for me and I love this place

It's good you finally posted at least part of the story. It does no good to advise a newbie farang NOT to go crazy over a boy. Everyone has to learn for themselves and make all the mistakes. Everyone is certain that their boy is different, that the love/lust they feel is real and mutual, that the boy is waiting for them to return and doesn't have sex with anyone else. Some farangs have been taken for millions, it's an old story and very commonplace. Few farangs escape the game unscathed . Forget him or else he will sucker you back in with apologies and sweet talk and you will get fucked over again. Of course no one listens and the game goes on and on. By the way, there are plenty of farangs who lie to the boys, even borrow and steal from them, of course cheat on them with their friends and leave the boy stranded in a ditch. It is far from only a Thai thing.

Some young guys enjoy a fling with an old man and toss them aside when they get bored. Worst case is a broken heart. At least your wallet seems safe and broken hearts hearts mend and we dive back in again. No one knows and sometimes unlikely relationships do work if one can stay on the roller coaster long enough.

Nice photo abang.

Try to remember when you were 20 y.o. and men over 40 tried to get your attention and what you thought of them. In case, they were also obese and plain ugly, you might have even been offended by the come-on. Now, if he were driving a Rolls Royce and had a pool and offered you a vacation on a tropical isle, you might have considered his proposal. Like Michael posted earlier, money is the great equalizer and makes it all possible or you can wait for the 1 or 2% of young guys that prefer daddies, but seriously they don't want grand daddies, especially the bald obese ones. Enough reality and time to get back to the hordes of hot guys I can have for just a mere pittance. I love this place.

Females have always been part of the Dongtan scene in high season. Many older gay men bring their sisters, fag hags friends, ex-wives, even adult children. Many women feel more comfortable around gay men, especially topless or in string bikinis. Lesbians also more comfortable among gay men then straights. It's no more a gay beach than the boy bars are gay bars. We call them gay but reality is anyone and everyone with baht is more than welcome. The boy bars are not ours and not gay bars. Granted the customer base is older gay men but none turn women away. Only saunas are male only .

Another factor is as older gay men, we are deprived of simple physical contact. Even a full body massage is a sublime delight after years or decades of not being touched by a desirable young man. Lust gets confused with love and while we lust after those humpy guys, it's simply business for them and often the need to pay rent and buy what they need to survive and of course to go out with their friends and enjoy their lot in life. I recall getting boners,in my teen years, riding a bus and it's normal for younger men to get hard-ons many times a day. Many times older men interpret the boners as lust and desire from the boy towards them when almost anything can trigger the boner. Sweet talk, flirting, just tools of the trade but we want to hear the sweet words so badly , we allow the fantasy to replace reality. I do believe the boys sometimes truly like us and enjoy being with us. Sometimes they love us when we are good to them and help them out of trouble but they never lust after us or desire us or fantasize about us . It's really the same worldwide . Even in ones thirties, younger guys are looking for same age or younger guys unless you have A great car, celebrity status, are generous or have kept your body in great shape.

I know a 70+ year old farang who fell in love with Thai teenager and was sure it was kismet. It was over the internet. The budding new relationship fell apart when the boy snubbed his financial terms and his rules. He's depressed and his hopes were dashed. He was sure it was real love. Variations of this story are commonplace. The adage that goes there's no fool like an old fool, rings true Plenty of younger farangs also believe its love. What they miss is the love is often one way. Still, it's all great fun and very pleasurable , if you don't lose your shirt and your mind. Losing ones grip on reality, a sure recipe for disaster.