Travellerdave

Spoon and omega - Agree with both of you . I’ve had boys with big cocks, but the pain overwhelms the pleasure even at the start of insertion. Love to suck them though.

I’m mostly bottom these days and need to avoid guys with very large cocks. Before offing or choosing a masseur, I try and check, but occasionally my judgement is faulty, requiring a change to my expectations.

Yes the Bamboo Bar is still there . I think it is in rather an inappropriate location for a gay bar. I called in a year ago and was “getting to know” one of the staff when an str older couple came in but exited rather quickly.

‘Taking Breakfast’. - is room service available at the Ambiance or does it consist of your own supplies ? I agree 100% about the penthouse rooms.

Yes Elek really got things done unlike myself. I hate to think of the stress and conflict when I made a mess of finishing with several boyfriends over the years. You have to think and think again before getting into a relationship.

I think Eiek is in big trouble. I wonder what provoked him to kil his boyfriend? I’ve had thoughts about disposing of Asian boyfriends but never taken things that far.

Sunee is a quick motorbike taxi trip to and from the Complex. Over the years I’ve returned 3 up with an offed boy from Winner to my Complex hotel. Memories of blasting through the night air with a boy clinging on behind me !. I’ve always checked out Winner during my trips particularly when I’ve wanted a twink for the night. It’s a “traditional” Gogo where you can call boys down to sit with you, maybe use the cushions to check out their cocks or tongue kiss them, after giving them a tip.

During the first couple of days of my trips checking out the Complex I sometimes find difficulty in making the decision as to which bar to sit down at. Early in the evening the boys are concentrating on attracting custom rather than latching onto a potential off. A couple of strolls up and down is needed to assess the attractiveness of the boys, the music being played and if there is a customer there who I know. Later, say 11+ they become somewhat more interested in drink invitations and maybe potential offs. You see more customers having closer contact with the boys possibly cuddling and kissing. I’ve stayed at the Zing a few times, usually in one of the larger rooms, and have never been troubled by bar noise. The pool is of reasonable size allowing a bit of exercise swimming and is very pleasant to sit by during the daytime, possibly with a “boyfriend du jour”.

There are a lot of UK pensioners resident in Spain (Chasing the sun ) and France (relatively cheap country property) and to a lesser extent in Italy, Cyprus, & Greece. They benefit from a brexit deal with the EC. However many there are suffering from the EC rule allowing only 90 days stay in any period of 6 months, resulting in the necessity to return to the UK periodically, where maybe they had not retained a property. Gay pensioners in Thailand have other benefits in addition to cheap property and sunny weather !.

About the state pension increase for UK citizens living overseas. Pensioners will receive increases if they are resident in the EC and a few other countries, but definitely not in Thailand, and surprisingly not in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. All very unfair as pointed out by PeterRS. Another point is that pensioners who have no other income or resources apart from the state pension receive “pension credit” as a supplement. This does stop completely on becoming resident anywhere abroad. Any UK citizen contemplating moving abroad who has a fairly substantial income or assets should talk to an accountant with specialized knowledge as there are taxation implications as well as pension ones. In addition there are jealous people only too ready to spill the beans to HMRC (HM Customs and Excise - like the IRS In the US) about those who seem to be bending the rules.

I remember that during my early visits to Pattaya ( year 2000 to 2005), I was rather inhibited whilst circulating with boyfriends (both Asian and farang) away from the gay ghettos. Avoiding close contact and certainly no kissing or cuddling, so as to avoid censure or stares. Boyztown was on the tourist trail for voyeur str’s. It’s a lot more relaxed now causing far fewer gay visitors to identify as such.

Up to 13 years ago Sunee was definitely my first call, with up to 10 boy gogos plus host bars. But now it’s a bit limited and during my last trip i gravitated towards BT. I like to see the boys dancing in briefs and occasionally in thongs. You just don’t find that in the Complex although there are plenty of boys to sit with you and to off for later. The approach to Sunee from second road down Soi VC through the muslin area is a bit intimidating.

I suspect not Keith, but if they did it would be a step in the right direction ie a Gogo opening in the Complex. Perhaps with the bar being busy the owner will be able to generate some tea money for the bib, following which a relaxation of rules could occur. i will be visiting in two weeks to see for myself.

Thanks Olddaddy. I’ve never met the owner of Winner - if I do I would thank him for the pleasure his boys have given me over the years.

I’m due in Pats in about 4 weeks. I’m undecided where to stay BT AREA or in the Complex. I’ve always enjoyed gogos and prefer them to the Complex bars. Am I right in saying that BT gogos open at the moment are Classic, X-boys, Abomb and Toy Boys ?. What are the boys wearing whilst on stage ?. Winner in Sunee has been a favourite of mine Any member been there recently ?.

Over the years I have found boys to be lazy when it comes to walking . Typically after offing in Sunee their reaction to the suggestion to walk to my hotel in BT would be that it’s too far and that we should go by motor bike. The same would apply to the distance from the Complex to the gay beach. Their preference is nearly always to take motor bikes or taxis rather than baht buses. Going back to the subject of this thread and thinking of my next trip in early September, any opinions as to the best gogo for twinks in Pattaya, or has the momentum shifted more towards the Complex or online (Grindr / Romeo) since I was last there 6 months ago ?.

What’s your biggest budget item ?- perhaps I can be shocked also ! I guess it might be chicken and cashew nuts.

Overall I suspect for the majority of us, the cost of accommodation is a lesser expenditure item. For my trips to Thailand the cost of boys is my biggest budget, ahead of hotels, airfares, drink, food and transportation. I like to stay in lower cost hotels (in Pattaya, BT area or the Complex) but selecting the better room options.

You are very right there Vinapu about the maze of corridors and floors at the Ambiance. A few times I’ve got lost when returning there after a few drinks after climbing the stairs and finding myself unable to locate my room. The only solution was to return to the ground floor and start again taking note of landmarks like the large vase and any room signposts. On another occasion whilst in the room, the phone rang so say that I had a visitor. I told the clerk to send him up, but 10 minutes later the boy from Grindr had not appeared so I had to go searching and found him sat on the stairs, also lost. I think years ago the present hotel would gave been two or even three separate units.

I’ve stayed at the Ambience a few times over 20 years but stopped in about 2017 due to excessive noise from a late night karaoke bar at approx 3 am. However I tried the hotel again in June last year and after about midnight it was relatively quiet. But that was at the end of covid and things had not really got going, so maybe it’s back to “I did it my way” echoing down BT again. Perhaps a member knows ?

Didn’t you go upstairs to the dark maze floor and see the cubicles in which most of the fucking takes place ? Or at least it did when I made my last visit just before Covid. The steam room then was a no-sex zone - more for socialising. Asian guys over 60 ? Really ?

As to summer vacation destinations for gays from U.K. and other Northern European countries I would say that Spanish Mediterranean resorts are the most popular followed by those in Greece or maybe Portugal. I myself used to go to Maspalomas on the island of Gran Canaria where being much younger 20 years ago and rather fit I very much enjoyed the beach (there is a gay section) and the thriving nightlife. The travel involved only relatively short flights of around 4.5 hours with mainland resorts only about 3 hours and once there, gays experience zero significant problems. SE Asia principally Thailand attracts a small and declining older (+50 years) minority for all the reasons covered in this forum, attracted by Asian guys and the exotic ambience . I only know of one other who has visited South America (Brazil & Cuba),

Yes I remember those glory days Dongtan in years 2001/2 . Any ladies or str couples making the mistake of sitting there would quickly realise that they were in the wrong section of the beach unless they were there for a little voyeuring watching us gays with our Thai boyfriends. But you are right about just going there to relax and enjoy sea breezes and have a small meal and perhaps reading a book purchased from one of the second hand bookshops. Agree about Koh Larn for a day trip, although it gets rather crowded in high season. Nual or “monkey beach” at the south end of the island is my usual choice despite being some distance from the ferry. Some boys enjoy the trip away from the chaos of Pattaya.

Londoners account has just resonated with me as it has similarities to my own experience. My first visit to Thailand was in year 2001 in company with another gay friend. We had been discussing going on holiday to Spain in a gay pub when a stranger joined our conversation by recommending we go instead to Thailand, specifically to Pattaya, where he said we could enjoy lots of sex with attractive young guys. He spent some time giving us essential travel information such as flights, transport, where to stay, etc etc, at the conclusion of which we decided to take his advice and go a few weeks later. For us it was an incredible three weeks, not just for the sex (there was plenty of that, specifically with twinks from the BT and Sunee gogos) but as for Londoner the sights, sounds and smells of the exotic atmosphere, and also for the low cost with £1 purchasing 70 baht. I can’t remember whether we actually went to the beach on that trip - the bars and boys were probably too much of a magnet, but I certainly took advantage during subsequent visits when beach pickups were an additional source of boys for my bed, rather than the less than ideal sea and sand at Dongtan. Short visits to Bkk did later in my life feature including several to Babylon, but as a twink lover Pattaya has always been the place for me, despite visits over the years to a few of the well known other beach resorts.

Totallyoz That’s a really helpful reply to my question - it shows we can learn a lot from this forum. Love that twink !.