Travellerdave

Reading this thread I reflect on how the price of rent boys in Pattaya has changed over the years. I first discovered Pats in 2002 and was amazed how cheap the services I bought were ie hotels, boys and drinks. Hotel prices do not seem to have increased much in the 15 years probably due to the huge increase in availablability but the expectations of boys certainly have - I would say be more than 100%. During my first few trips I mostly offed from Sunee gogos of which there were maybe about ten, but my favourite was Kaos. The off fee was 300 and I was paying 1000 LT and very often the boy would stay with you for a good part of the following day. I even remember taking a boy from the Soi and paying 500 LT. I was very horny in those days and long time meant multiple episodes of kissing, sucking and topping often condom-less, with boys eager to please. Living dangerously ! - I'm sensible now. The pound bought 70 baht so a nights pleasure cost less than 20 pounds. Now I'm looking at 60 plus. Sex is still relatively cheap in Pattaya but an average day including accommodation will run to well over 100. One item which has gone down in price is the airfare to get there. I've just paid for my next flight at 540 pounds - rather less than in 2002. Also baht bus fares are still 10 baht although Thais paid 5. Going back to boys. The Thai economy has expanded greatly and there are much more alternative opportunities for employment for boys than the rice fields and building sites.

My experience with money boys in Pattaya goes back to year 2002 and over the years I had a wide variety of experiences but the majority have been good. I remember one attractive boy from the Kaos gogo in Sunee who I offed after making sure he knew what I wanted via a waiter translating ie long time till about 10 am and I was going to be top. In my room he was obviously very nervous and undressed in the shower following which he got into bed draped tightly in a towel. He would not respond to my advances so after a while I indicated that he should go but before leaving he held his hand demanding 1000 baht (he knew English for that). I gave him a couple of hundred and more or less pushed him out of the room. The following evening I went back to Kaos to complain and was told that it had been his first night in the gogo and that he was scared of being fucked but needed the money. They let me off a boy without the fee. My point is that you can never guarantee the service when paying for sex. I'm in Pats at the end of next month and anticipate paying 2000 for LT, but of course there are other costs with boys, drinks, the off fee, meals, small presents for those you keep for more than one night, such as phone top-ups, clothes and jewelry. I try and make sure they know what the deal is - long time is to at least 10 am unless I terminate early. 2000 baht but maybe a bit extra if I really enjoy myself.

Twinks or Hunks ? That is the question !. Since discovering Pattaya some 17 years ago my bed companions have been mostly Twinks. I preference I like them smooth with not too many tatoo's. i maybe 30+ trips I have had many many and been daddy to several. I must say I feel easier if they were gay, but when you ask the question the answer will either be ambudivilent or whatever they think you would prefer. However I am conscious that attractive hunks are in short supply in Pattaya and perhaps if I found one to off on the lines of the guys whose pictures Vinapu posts I would change my orientation.

Thanks Biguyby for your informative report. I've just booked my next trip to Pattaya but not unfortunately not until late August. It sounds like Sunee is not making its hoped for revival with Winner Boys lacking custom. Last time I visited it was busy with attractive boys and low drink prices. I hope you will be able to visit Boys Town to give a report, perhaps about Cupidol which I remember as "Twink Central". Sounds good about Sansuck. I've had fun there, but there have been times when younger Thai boys were in short supply.

I've been in Pattaya in September and as the statistics show it is a very wet month, but this has not stopped my enjoyment of my visits. Many days have a heavy thunder storm often during the late afternoon, so you have to make good use of the sunny periods. Then there can be spells when it rains so hard that the drains cannot cope and some areas, such as Soi Buakhow, are flooded to such a degree that movement around is difficult.

Going back to my earlier post in which I talked about the difficulties before digital cameras. I think it was maybe 12 years ago when I acquired my first one and I found that having the capacity to take large numbers of shots to be a big advantage which I readily exploited. I took pictures of everything but my favourite subject was money boys that I had offed. Some of course refused, but one boy was particularly co-operative and I took a number of pics of him naked, wearing jocks and g-strings and generally looking horny. I tried to get shots of us both in bed but somehow these were never any good. I tipped him well but a condition of the photo shoots was for him to have prints of the ones he liked such as on the beach or on the boat to Koh Larn. We went to a print shop on Soi Buakhow with the card and I thought that I would be able to select these shots, not the naughty ones However the guy in the shop displayed the whole lot on a screen in front of other customers to the intense embarrassment of the boy who virtually ran out. I did get the prints he wanted but the episode upset both him and me for the rest of the day and I still regret it. An example of FACE - so important to the Thais.

I used to take photos of my offs when I first discovered Pattaya 15 years ago. This was before the advent of digital cameras. Boys did not seem to mind but only a minority would pose naked. I remember one twinky boyfriend I used to take to the Dongtan Beach. I took a whole series of him wearing very brief speedos cavorting in the sea. I was mortified when I found the camera had failed to wind the film onward and I had no pictures. I was about to leave for home so no chance of another set. I was rather nervous taking my first film in for processing but the shop guy did not bat an eyelid when handing me the envelope of prints.

That's right Vinapu. Sometimes I visit a gogo say between 8.30 and 10.00. I see a boy I like and buy drinks for him with a view to having him in my bed LT. However when staying in BT it's no good going to the room before about 12.30 and it's boring for me and the boy to accompany one another until then. In those circumstances I pay the off fee and tell the boy and mamasan I will be back later. The boy can earn tips and the bar can attract more custom.

Reflecting on the above statistic I have to reflect on how lucky I was not to find myself HIV+ having fucked perhaps 20 to 30 money boys during my first couple of visits to Pattaya in 2002 and 2003 bareback. I wonder why I was so reckless but I know that in my life I have shown lack of judgement at critical times and being in the sexual charged Thai gay environment is conducive to making bad decisions not just sexual ones. Nowadays my head rules my cock thankfully. I go for an HIV check during my trips and an always nervous waiting for the result and am really relieved when it's negative. I am wary if I have a small wound in the mouth area and desist from sucking cock until it clears up.

During my first few trips to Pattaya in 2002 and 2003 I hardly used condoms despite being very active sexually (100% top) when offing from BT and Sunee bars. I Subsequently realised I had been skating on very thin ice but I got away with it both from an HIV prospective and from other sexual deseases. I only recall one boy insisting on a condom. Since then I have always used condoms for anal sex but not for oral, despite many boys being willing to dispense with them. I'm now mostly bottom and I believe there is a greater risk from unprotected sex than it is the case for tops. My experience with saunas in Thailand is confined to Babylon and Sansuck where I have not indulged in unprotected anal sex or witnessed it.

I also visited Chang Mai a couple of years ago. I got there paying very little for the air ticket. I was not impressed with the gay nightlife having spent 90% of my visits over the last 17 years in Pattaya. I only managed a short time with a boy from GR. However I did do a trek into the hills which was good fun although at the time the area was enveloped in a smokey atmosphere from forest fires. I cut my visit short and returned to Pats for its bars and boys.

Bamboo bar has boys available for massage and they get going early for this.

I stayed in the Jomtien Complex during most of my 2.5 week February trip and can agree with most of the good advice in this thread. In particular you should have no difficulty in finding boys fitting your specification there. The gay bars are in a compact area and during a stroll around you should spot one which would suit you. Boys are more keen for a long time "off" later in the evening. It is also pleasant to converse with other gay tourists from different parts of the world. Boystown is approximately 2 miles from the complex but is easy to travel between the two using pickup-truck type taxis and motor bike ones. There you will find gogo bars where the boys dance on stage. Until recently they wore very little but I understand there has been a clamp down so the amount of skin on show now is limited. Cupidol is the one most quoted as being the best gogo for twinks but it's constantly changing situation. Most boys will accompany you back from BT to your hotel in the Complex. Jomtien has a gay beach a short walk from the Complex. In the past there used to be a good number of boys there looking for business, but this scene has somewhat faded away, but occasionally in the late afternoon you see a cutie wearing tight revealing speedos, looking for a friend. Between Jomtien and Boystown is a gay sauna called Samsuck. Could be worth a visit !. As you have found, boys are available 24/7 on GR. I found some Pattaya based boys had difficulty getting to the Complex and did not know the location of the hotels and with their limited English it can prove difficult to direct them, but hotel staff can usually assist. Enjoy your trip ! I did !

No recent experience I'm afraid with well endowed boys so I cannot answer your question Vinapu. I was a popper users during my first few visits to Pattaya during 2002-2004 and have memories of several big cock Isaan Boys when sniffing helped.

If you are just in Thailand for a few weeks holiday there would not be the need to buy there, as it's very easy to take a supply. If you were worried about a customs check the liquid could be transferred into an anonymous container like after shave. Poppers can increase the pleasure and reduce the pain when being topped, especially when the boy has a very large cock or is rough.

A few years ago you could buy them on Dongtan Gay Beach. The guy used to walk around with the bottle resting in the palm of his hand, flashing it at any likely purchaser. Not seen him for a long time - perhaps he's in jail. I once bought but I cannot remember the price.

You should have no difficulty in finding twinks in Pattaya and I didn't during my January/February trip. Cupidol in Boystown had a reputation for twinks but I thought the standard had declined from my previous visits. I think you just have to circulate and visit a few bars and in addition try Romeo online. My favourite area was the Jomtien Complex.

In February I made a late night transfer from BKk to the Poseidon in Jomtien Complex. I just went down one floor from arrivals to departures and was on my way in a taxi within a few minutes. The journey was fast in the early hours around 1.5 hours, so the bars in the Complex were still open with plenty of boys still available.

Looking back to my first visits to Pattaya starting in 2001 I would say there has been a gradual change in the attitude of money boys. This thread focuses on tactics to prevent them from making an early exit from our bed having been engaged for a LT. I recall that in those days the difficulty was getting them to leave in the morning. They often tried to stake a claim by leaving clothes and in particular a tooth brush which staked a claim. To have a daddy was the objective. Thais I believe we're much poorer than now so young ones flocked to Pattaya from Isaan where money was available from farangs to increase their standard of living hugely. Now they have other options to achieve this and if they enter the commercial sex industry they try to engage on their terms rather than ours.

Nice compendium jfarmer017 . He's certainly one of the most attractive boys on GR although he does not logon as frequently as a couple of years ago, when he joined me long time at the Ambiance following a GR contact. that picture of him in the red briefs is certainly top sexy.

Definitely Vinapu. 5000 is the maximum of cash I take with me for an evening out plus one of my cards in reserve. Stupid farangs walking about wearing gold chains are asking for trouble with the motor bike snatch squads. Mind you I thought about displaying a very heavy fake gold chain, I bought in Spain, with a weak clasp to play a joke on them, walking about near the edge of the road and getting mugged. Didn't do it thankfully. Probably would have got myself in trouble.

I prefer long time because I enjoy sex a lot in the early morning. typically in Pattaya I off a boy round about midnight and before sleep prefer kissing, rimming, and nipple play to anal. I tend to wake up early, say 5 am, often needing a piss. At that time I am invariably horny and love to wake the boy prior to topping him. a condom is a must which often was not the case when I first discovered Pattaya 15 years ago. With this routine I tell the boy that I want long time but that he will be able to leave about 6 or 6.30 am. This they seem to like and agree to it. I'm into keep fit and a jog along the sea at 7 am at either Jomtien or Pattaya is the second pleasurable experience of the day for me. For a nice twink 2000 would be my standard tip. A nap in the early evening gets me up to 8 hours sleep.

Although my memory is a little hazy I think my off was number 11. I can't remember his name (so many boys -so little time !) but I recall that he was 19 and I enjoyed being topped by him.

The Winner Boy Bar has certainly breaved life into Sunee Plaza and shows that the spiral of decline can be reversed. I spent most of my recent trip in the Jomtien Complex where I found plenty of twinks to stimulate me particularly in my hotel bed. Early in the evening they are just intent in getting custom for their bars but later after midnight the need for a off takes over. However after my first week I did make treks to BT and Sunee and at the latter I enjoyed visits to Winner Boys. As shown in the picture there are a twinky boys there and I offed one on successive nights returning to Jomtien by motor bike. I was also impressed by the relatively low price of the drinks and the off fee. The brown boy in the middle with no braces is really cute.

I suppose swimming might be good therapy, but this would not require a very large pool. I have assumed that Olympic size is 50 metres in length. As far as I know there are none of these in Pattaya and maybe none in the whole of Thailand. In Pattaya there are good size pools at the Tony Gym on Second Road and on the roof of the Mike Department Store, which you can use on payment of a small charge.