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Given the recent surge in cases now found in Thailand, I suggest those considering a return before the end of the year should just pause and review developments over the next few weeks. This country had an excellent record in controlling the spread of the virus until it really took the eye off the ball by not even considering the possibility of an outbreak at the Samut Sakhon fish market in December. Successive governments have known about the 2,000 or more illegal Burmese workers at that market and who often flit back and fore over the porous border between the countries. These same governments have claimed they would finally crack down. None did. Money still rules in Thailand. Burmese labour is much cheaper than Thai labour. Even so, being aware of all these illegal workers the present government completely failed to institute a testing programme at the market. That at least would have shown up the problem of an outbreak there perhaps before it had started to spread to the rest of the country. Now it seems to be at nightclubs and entertainment venues where most new cases are being discovered. Yesterday there was a new daily record of 985 new cases. Chiang Mai, Bangkok, Chonburi and Hua Hin are some of the areas showing increases. The chances that the peak has been reached must be zero given the large number of people now travelling for Songkran holidays. Some hospitals are now refusing to give out testing kits and others are being prepared for more serious cases. Given all this, I cannot believe any further opening up of the country will happen any time soon. And still no news of when those in the higher risk groups can be vaccinated. Seems like Thailand has reverted to its usual mai pen rai attitude.
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If the Reagan Administration had paid attention to the appeals of doctors and scientists at the CDC when HIV first appeared on the East and West coasts, and if it had put in the resources and funding that have been thrown at covid19, perhaps an HIV vaccine would have been discovered many years earlier. But the ultra conservatives around Reagan were resolutely against putting funds into what they regarded as an exclusively gay illness. Even when it became clear that HIV paid no attention to the sex of those it infected, ithe administration still dragged its feet thereby allowing the virus to spread exponentially around the world. Despite Trump's disastrous inaction, we have learned that viruses can be controlled if they are identified early and enough money is allocated to researchers.
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Although I have not been to Phuket for some years, I used to go to the island almost annually. By far my favourite restaurant is Baan Rim Pa. It is nestled on top of a small cliff close to the north end of Patong. The setting is exceptional with great views over the sea to the sunsets. There are no windows as such and so it is open to the evening breeze. In at least a dozen visits I have never once had any dish I did not love. Baan Rim Pa should have been wiped out by the tsunami because the waves crashed over the waterfront road just 30 meters away and into the apartments across the road. But it was just high enough off to escape any damage. Getting there is easy. Just take the coast road north at Patong Beach. Turn left at the end as if going towards Kamala Beach. Immediately there is a small incline. The restaurant is on the left at the top. Across the road is the original Novotel on Phuket. Photos from Baan Rim Pa website https://www.baanrimpa.com/thai-restaurant-kalim/
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Another fan of Nespresso. Over the years I have experimented with various ways of making coffee in the morning. I now find Nespresso just so easy and the variety of flavours is growing all the time. I had never heard of it until I used a ton of Marriott points to stay in their wonderful Bill Bensley designed hotel on the Vietnamese island of Phu Quoc two years ago. This lovely island is actually tucked under Cambodia with Sihanoukville as the nearest town. But from Vietnam it's best to get there by plane or ferry from Ho Chi Minh City. Pre-pandemic there was also a Bangkok Airways daily flight from Bangkok. The hotel is set on its own glorious private beach! My favourites are the Fortissio Lungo and one from their more recent Italian range, Inspirazione Venezia.
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What was the gay sex scene like in the 1970's?
PeterRS replied to AlexThompson's topic in The Beer Bar
Ha! Put it down to my English. I meant "now" in the sense at that point in the narrative when it was into the 1980s! -
What was the gay sex scene like in the 1970's?
PeterRS replied to AlexThompson's topic in The Beer Bar
I come from a part of the United Kingdom where the 1967 law decriminalising homosexuality in England did not apply. So that law continued in force. Partly as a result, very few people were prepared to be known as gay. I remember my parents talking in hushed disapproving tones about a middle-aged man who worked in the local pharmacy. "He attends THAT club", I recall them saying, only realising some years later that it was the one place where gays could meet. Membership only! There was also only one shop down a back street that sold 'risky' photo books (only of women) and where guys would surreptitiously try not to be noticed when they came in for a box of condoms. Even at University there was virtually no gay culture. My first crush was with a late teen who stayed in one of the Halls of Residence. We got to know each other, started doing lots of activities together, even hiking at week-ends. But I was too scared of two things - rejection and being known as gay by someone who might not be gay. The gaydar signals that people threw off then were much less obvious. Eventually after many months, we realised our mutual attraction and started a short affair. It was wonderful! I knew nothing about STDs in those days. We just did not talk about them. Having taken a holiday in New York in 1978, I thought I was in heaven. On the day I arrived, a friend took me to the Gaiety Burlesque off Times Square. I was gob-smacked. Absolutely loved it and returned a few times. On my next trip a couple of years later, I discovered one of the large bathhouses (the Everard perhaps?). By this time I had had a trip to Amsterdam and became fixated on the sauna scene. All I now remember were the Day and Night saunas. It was at the Night sauna that I met my first Asian, a young guy from Indonesia. And wow, could he perform! I virtually became hooked on Asians ever since. In Paris I discovered a huge sauna near the old opera house at the Palais Garnier. I think it was called Le Continental. Almost a third of the many customers seemed to be Vietnamese. As in Amsterdam I fell for one and we had an amazing two nights together in my hotel. Working in London, I preferred the El Sombrero club on Kensington High Street in favour of bar hopping. Sombrero for a time was the place to be. I loved it because many of the clientele were Asian. As another poster has pointed out, condoms were rarely in evidence then. Soon I was to move to Hong Kong, little realising that it, too, had anti-gay laws on the statute books (they were only eliminated in 1990). My job meant annual visits to Head Office in New York. Since it was now the early 1980s, it was on one that I became aware of the new disease known initially as GRID. Soon this changed to AiDS with a death sentence attached. My European/American sauna going immediately ceased. Like many at that time, I was petrified that I might have become infected. For months I became monk-like, afraid both for myself and any partner I might unknowingly pass it on to. But I suppose the temptations of Asia were too great and I eventually came out of my shell of fear. The gogo-bars in Bangkok where the boys were often nude, the huge 690 Retiro Strip in Manila where the boys on the zig-zag catwalk were equally nude, two nights spent with one fantastic Chinese I met at Blue Boy Bar in Kuala Lumpur, the ease of picking up gorgeous guys on the street or in the malls of Singapore - I felt I was in seventh heaven. Then by the mid-80s, AIDS was becoming a much more serious threat to Asia. There was even talk that the bar owners in Thailand would ban customers from Hong Kong. But it never was put into effect. Not long after, Bangkok started what was to become a thriving sauna and massage scene. Given the law in Hong Kong, I was bit more cautious. Since at least the '70s there had been two gay bars - Dateline on the Island and Waltzing Mathilda on Kowloon. But it was known the cops kept a close eye on them. One of the barmen in Wally Matt was even a police informant. So I stayed away. Cruising, though, was not that difficult. I met my first Chinese boy when leaning on a railing looking at Hong Kong's fantastic harbour. He was about 30 meters away. Soon he was inching closer to me and I to him. We started chatting and our mutual interest was obvious. But not knowing him at all, I decided first to invite him to dinner a few days later. Believing I then knew him much better, he came home. My first conquest! It was to be the first of many. But we are now well out of the 1970s and so I will end there. -
I have an opposite view from @KeepItReal. I loved the UK Series and the first episodes of the US Series. But I found the US storyline just got stretched too much. QAF was for a time and of its time. With public acceptance of homosexuality now so much more advanced in parts for the world, the "shock" value of the new series will have vanished. Plus the number of gay-themed movies has mushroomed in the last 21 years
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And most undergo some form of plastic surgery to give a band a uniform K Pop look, as with ASTRO's Cha Eunwoo. Photo: Fantagio Entertainment
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It is said that when the young teenage Princess Elizabeth first saw him, she decided Philip was the man she wanted to marry. Some ten years later they walked down the aisle. Neither can have had any inkling that in little more than 4 years she would become Queen. They must have assumed they could have several relatively carefree decades in front of them. But no one then knew that her father would soon become very seriously ill. The couple's life changed so quickly. How extraordinary that their love for each other should have remained constant for an astonishing 73 years. As Consort, he always had to remain behind the Queen, always playing second fiddle as it were. That he should have set aside his own ambitions for a career in the Royal Navy to remain the Queen's rock throughout her extraordinary reign is a mark of the man's service and duty. I would like to recall the Queen's words about her husband when she addressed members of parliament on the occasion of their Golden Wedding Anniversary in 1997 "He has, quite simply, been my strength and stay all these years, and I, and his whole family, and this and many other countries, owe him a debt greater than he would ever claim, or we shall ever know." May he rest in peace and may the Queen find solace in her family and friends in this time of sadness.
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As if the poorly designed 737-Max had not had enough problems, now another one has cropped up. 16 airlines have been told that they need to address an electrical issue before the a specific group of the planes fly again. It the light of this development, I have to ask how on earth the aircraft was passed for flight again by both Boeing and the FAA. It has still not been approved by some of the world's airline regulatory authorities. Boeing will not say which airlines are affected by the electrical problem, but Southwest in the USA has already announced that it is grounding 30 of its 58 737-Max jets. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/09/business/boeing-737-max-electrical-problem/index.html
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Sorry - the tag line for the Rain commercial should have read "Korea, Sparkling? Like me!"
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I find it fascinating how the K-Pop phenomenon has virtually taken over the world! It seems Asian pop has come almost full circle. First it was J-Pop from Japan in the 1970s and 1980s. By the early 1980s it was Canto-Pop which was the rage around the region with singing actors like the late, great Leslie Cheung and the late Anita Mui who was Hong Kong's early incarnation of Lady Gaga. Sadly both died far too young. Leslie, openly gay and with a long time Chinese banker lover, committed suicde by jumping 25 floors from the rooftop bar of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel. He had been suffered from clinical depression for some years. He was 47. Anita Mui was only 40 when she succumbed to cervical cancer. Even as Canto-Pop was ruling the air waves, Mando-Pop from Taiwan was starting to compete. Many Hong Kong singers switched to Mandarin songs. When that began to fade by the mid 2000s, K-Pop was very much in the ascendency. Originally it was not always groups. One of the early superstars was a cute singer/actor named Rain. I remember he was featured in a TV commercial to promote South Korea. It was filmed in a very trendy way with lots of fireworks. The tag line at the end from Rain was "Korea, Sparling! Like me! Soon it was the boy bands who flooded the market. That a band like BTS could become aa world supergroup is extraordinary. I can recall visiting Seoul in the 1980s and early 1990s. Armed with my Spartacus Guide (near useless) I eventually found a couple of gay bars and one sort-of sauna. Almost all Koreans i saw were dull and boringly predictable in terms of dress and outlook. Only in the Itaewon District would you occasionally see some hip young guys. Never in my wildest dreams did I believe I would see - from afar - so many guys in the entire Korean entertainment industry who look so amazingly fabulous!
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I only asked him to fix my zipper!
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Next time you are in Japan, don't shy away. In Tokyo there are bars like the basement GB which can accommodate around 40 and where gaijin (Japanese looking for western guys) will often congregate. The oddly named Arty Farty is another, although it is up a flight of stairs, Dragon Men and Aiiro Cafe amongst others. Kinsmen on the first floor of a building is a lovely bar usually with a lerge floral decoration and a mix of customers. An older small disco and bar, New Sazae, is on the first floor in the building next to Kinsmen has been a focus of the gay scene for decades! Forget about suits. All the above and most others are totally casual.
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The younger guy/older samurai was certainly a large part of Japanese culture for centuries. It was actually introduced to Japan by a bonze from China around 800 years ago. It was rarely a long term relationship. Once the youth had passed into adulthood, he would be expected to marry and start a family. Eventually the practice came to be frowned upon by the later shogun rulers. Gay boys then tended to become prostitutes and actors but continued in great demand. If there was a golden age for homosexuality in Japan it was between 1650 and 1750. Everything changed during the Meiji Restoration. The Americans were largely responsible. The mass of Christian missionaries that followed in the wake of the warships were one reason. But equally the rulers of the country had come to believe that male/male relationships were 'unnatural'. The collapse of the country's feudal structure no doubt also played a part. You have to remember that much of Japan was destroyed during World War 2. The country was also flooded with vast numbers of GIs, both then and again during the Korean War. Not a few of these were either gay or happy to spend time with a smooth young gay Japanese for a few dollars. Most Japanese, though, had to work extremely hard to drag the country back on to its feet. By the early 1970s this was becoming much more successful than most had hoped. Foreigners started working in Japan as overseas companies moved in. Some certainly were gay, as were some younger Japanese. Whereas the word gay took decades to enter the lingua franca of most countries, the Japanese word 'gei' found almost immediate acceptance. Soon gay bars were to spring up. By the late 1950s, there were more than 20 gay bars in Tokyo - more than in most western cities at the time. Soon the Japanese media were writing about a boom in gay establishments. The real gay boom started in the 1980s and early 1990s. If you were a gay young Japanese, you finally had a chance of exploring your sexuality. Most Japanese lived in what we would term tiny homes, many without bathing facilities. So there were community bathing centres. If you lived in one district, the chances were you or your family were known to most in that district. Being openly gay was still frowned upon. On the other hand, if you spent an evening a week in a gay bar quite far removed from your home, you would have the chance of meeting up with a foreigner. With luck, you might develop a relationship with him. With even greater luck you would move in with him. By Japanese standards, foreigners had vastly bigger apartments and had perks like entertaining and travel allowances. Many younger Japanese learned about the world as a result. Some relationships lasted. I know one American/Japanese gay couple who met in a bar in 1985 and have been together ever since. Others faded. The tradition of older/younger still continued, however. Even in the 1980s, there was an unwritten understanding that if a young Japanese had a relationship with an oder foreigner, not only would he enjoy a much better quality of life, before the relationship soured, the foreigner would have enabled the Japanese to start a small business. So foreign boyfriends were greatly sought after. Everything began to change again towards the end of the century. Many Japanese had become a great deal richer. This was in part a result of the Reagan administration forcing up the value of the Yen - in 1980, US$1 bought ¥260; by 1999, it was a little over Y100 - finding a foreigner was no longer essential. Japanese had begun to find their fellow Japanese just as attractive, physically as well as financially. That's not to say cross cultural relationships do not continue. They do. But if you do not live in Japan, it has become much more difficult.
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Does anyone still use gaydar.com? 15 years ago it was great for hooking up with guys in Asia.
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Sorry this one does not have music, but it made me smile. It was shot in Bangkok at the gym Sukhothai Residences/
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I'm a bit surprised this one has not yet appeared.
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Just a word of warning. If a site is only in Japanese, it is unlikely the bar will entertain requests from foreigners and non Japanese speakers.
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Just a quick update. Today the fridae site claims to have 1,703 members on line. 56 are in Argentina. Click on Argentina and you find just one 56 year old guy. 61 are allegedly in Italy but there are only 2 - a 60 year old and a 57 year old. The site is dead.
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Sadly I do not know and can only take a guess. It is only in the last couple of decades or so that Japanese porn photo magazines started featuring any form of anal sex. According to a friend who has had a long-time Japanese partner, cuddling, sucking and HJs tended to be the norm until around then. Although that has all changed now, I imagine that some of the boys who call themselves bottom are worried that they might meet up with a customer with a large cock which they would have difficulty accepting. This might lead to complaints to the mamasan. Why a boy who happens to be top would not wish that to be known, we'd need a Japanese to tell us, I expect. On the other hand, Japanese have always been heavily into S&M. I was once shown a vdo which had been purchased in one of the regular sex shops. I found totally disgusting. I'll only say it featured screwdrivers and real blood. It's an aspect of Japanese sexuality I have never been able to understand.
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Aniki is definitely closed. It was a large lovely spa but too expensive for most Taiwanese. The 'in' sauna is definitely Soi13In which is usually packed with over 200 mostly young, good-looking and in-shape Taiwanese. Also a few foreigners who are usually older. Best times are after work and at the week-ends. One poster mentioned Grindr as the app to check. I think it was for money boys. Frankly, there are very few on all the apps. It seems Taiwanese are not really into money boys so they tend to target visiting westerners. The Chinese app Blued is also equally popular with younger Taiwanese. @pabornmentioned cock sizes. I doubt if he will find many comparable to the boys in Brazil, for example, but I have seen some eye-popping ones at the hot spring - and they were not erect!
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I have been to Tokyo and a few other cities several times. I only once used a host bar with the boy coming to my hotel. It was a very pleasant experience. The boy was great, did everything as outlined by the bar, but the rules meant it was not quite as free wheeling as in Thailand. On the other hand, I have visited several of the saunas and almost always had a great time. The most popular one for foreigners is undoubtedly 24 Kaikan in Shinjuku ni-chome. Generally the crowd is mixed age-wise but with more students as it is closer to some universities. It has the usual Japanese bathing area (Japanese are scrupulously clean!) with two hot relaxing pools along one side. Through a set of curtains is a shower area with most having glory holes, a dry sauna, hot sauna, steam room and rain shower room. On the floor above are several large dimly lit communal areas with upper and lower bunk beds around the walls. Above that a floor of private rooms which cost extra. Japanese seem to like communal areas with just a large mattress for sex. That's not to say there are orgies. Perhaps very occasionally. The branch of 24 in the Ueno District has roughly the same layout although on more flors because each is smaller. The original 24 is close to the famous Senso-ji Temple in the Asakusa District (not to be confused with Akasaka which is in the city centre). This is a much older sauna with more working class guys and quite a few quite old men. Japanese have no issues with appearing nude in front of others. Tokyo is a huge city and there are gay bars all over the place. But most are small to tiny and only for Japanese. If you accidentally wander in, the mamasan will respectfully ask you to move somewhere else. That is because the mamasans do not want to embarrass their regular customers who might not speak any English. I did once go to a small Japanese only bar in the trendy Shibuya District. But I was with 2 Japanese friends and was warmly welcomed. After I had ordered a drink, the mamasan came up to me and asked for my sexual preferences. I was a bit surprised but it was all so typically Japanese. If I had said top, he would have sat me next to a regular whom he knew to be bottom - and vice versa. Shinjuku ni-chome is the main gay area for foreigners. Although it still has well over 200 bars, most will again only be for Japanese. So you have to check websites for the dozen or so which will welcome foreigners and Japanese who want to meet them. Weekends are always the best times to visit. Lastly the eye candy in Japanese cities is outstanding. I don't think I have ever been in a coffee shop anywhere that there was not one guy who was a dream! Tokyo is a great city for either a vacation or a short stopover. I think most gay guys expect its size and difficulties with language will be too much of a problem. Don't worry! If you do your research in advance and get a good bilingual Atlas of the city, you should have a ball.
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i find those videos interesting, but not their conclusions. I have read a couple of the books on the list including Martin Jacques "When China Rules The World". Jacques has been a very astute observer of China and much of what he writes is, I believe, pretty accurate. The demographic situation is a projection based on what has been happening in countries with higher per head incomes like Japan and Singapore. These countries certainly have major problems with young people postponing marriage until much later and some even preferring to remain single. The long term prognosis with a rapidly ageing population means that Japan will have to start opening up to foreign workers far more than at present. To follow Singapore's example, in other words. The OL problem in Japan (office ladies who live with their parents till their 30s, save up a lot of cash and then spend lavishly on overseas trips and luxury goods) has been a big problem for decades and there seems no end in sight. But I do believe the vdo fails to consider three elements: Chinese tradition, the effects of Mao's horrendous campaigns, and an on-going result of the one child policy. Although as the middle class has become even richer and more will ascend into the middle class, there are still probably many millions who resented the fact that they could have only one child - especially those who had daughters rather than sons. IMHO with the policy now abandoned, there will be enough couples seeking to have 2 or 3 children to render part of the vdo consequence incorrect. The economic reforms started by Deng pulled more than 400 million out of poverty. There remain at least another 350 million working in the countryside. They are richer than before but they remain rooted to tradition. Even though their brighter children will move away, they still want more children to help work on the farms etc. The issue of the towns with few people is also not a new problem. The reason for them is complicated and I certainly do not fully understand it. But I do know it relates to land ownership and what you can do with it, taxation and other factors, often local. In at least some cases, developers have purchased land from local authorities. Once that happens, they must develop that land almost immediately. Unlike Thailand and most other countries, they cannot sit on it and wait until their constructions become economically more favourable. The fact is that given enough time many towns similar to Ordos in the vdo were built on spec and subsequently filled up. The Pudong area in Shanghai is perhaps the most spectacular. The Chengzhong District of Kunming is another. So looking to the future is one reason for what are inaccurately called "ghost cities". The 'facts' about Ordos in the vdo are now totally wrong. By 2017 it had a population of 153,000 and was home to 4,750 businesses. That year an article in Forbes magazine noted that of the 40,000 apartments constructed in 2004, only 500 remained on the market in 2017. Furthermore, resale values of apartments had risen 50% in the preceding 18 months. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/06/30/ordos-chinas-most-infamous-ex-ghost-city-continues-rising/?sh=18c5d1186877
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Taiwan's military is indeed advanced and all young men have to do their military service - one reason why most of the younger guys you see at the hot springs have such great bodies But Taiwan has armed forces of less than 300,000 whereas China can muster almost ten times that amount. In the event of a sustained air and sea attack, Taiwan could not hold out very long, I believe. On the other hand, I think your view is correct. If anything will hold China back from the brink of a war it is that at least some of the mandarins in Beijing must surely realise that attempting to rule a people who would loathe them will be totally different from the result of their actions in Tibet, Hong Kong and Xinjiang. When you mention China's demographic problems, are you referring to the result of the one child policy - a 50 million plus excess of males over females many now of marriageable age? There is a thriving cross border trade with crooked agents virtually stealing female teenagers from Vietnam to provide partners for poorer Chinese farmers. That though is a drop in the bucket. With so many gay men having to marry for societal reasons, if China would just mandate a greater acceptance of homosexuality perhaps the problem would just disappear!!