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5 days after leaving holiday in Bangkok and I miss the guys so much. Tried my hand using AI ChatGPT to draw favourite scene during holiday.

1. It is supposed to cover all areas. I think J.'s life in Pattaya is confined to his co-workers, especially those from Laos and work in the same bar as he, and bar customers. I once asked him if he could ever develop feelings for one of his fellow MBs. He looked at me like I'm some kind of a pervert. "They all are my friends. I don't have that kind of feeling for a friend." I also asked him if we stay as customer and boy and one day he goes back to Laos and find a local boyfriend, would he continue to see me as a paying customer, and again, the answer is NO, he wouldn't. 2. I'm not sure what J. thinks about that (I may ask him later), but for me, I'll take it as it comes. If we last another year, I'll adjust financial terms for inflation and also, well, "seniority", like, I'll increase everything by 10% each year (3000 becomes 3300, 25K becomes 28K, and so forth). Maybe one day, if we last that long, I'll drop the "transaction-based" payments completely and simply take care of his financial needs. Once the boys in the bar made a joke about J. being so "international" in his relationships. His first boyfriend is Thai, second Laos, and now the third Vietnamese, so what nationality would be next on the list? And he was like, "No, no, I don't want no more boyfriends." I think it's not about the specific amount per se, but he thinks the deal is unnecessarily complicated (I'll talk to him just to be sure anyway). Also, the offered minimum of 25K is already generous, toward the high end of such deals. Most boys I know receives between 10K and 20K; one gets only 5K but no exclusiveness is required. V.'s case of 30K mentioned earlier is quite rare. K., another Laos boy who has the most drinks in the bar, sometimes with 20+ drinks in a single night, more than most boys make in a week, and also someone who is willing to go with any paying customers, told me he normally makes between 20 and 30K per month, so if a customer wants to make an exclusive deal with him, the offered amount must be at least 25K. So here we go I told J.: K. has to "endure" all kinds of customers whether he likes them or not. You only need to sleep with one customer, who you actually likes, and still make more money than him. What do you complain about? Hehe.

Some other AI generated images for gogoboys in Bangkok bar.

My Hubby and I will be in Patong from dec 19 to Jan 6 If any like minded folk happened to want to meet for a coffe or beer, to pass the time of day and put the world right, feel free to let me know. We are not looking for any sexual encounters but we are open to such activitives if we all like what we see. We only ever entertain together but that's not what we are looking for, just mention it so you know. I am 65yo gwm retired from the UK and hubby is 50yo chinese. We're together 18 years now. We left the UK to live out here, his family live in penang, he is from penang, we live in a family owned flat in penang, coming up to Phuket for christmas as my 90 days are up and I need to move for a few weeks before returning to penang. We are friendly, we both smoke, he doesn't drink alcohol, I like beer. We don't mind the gay bars but not essential. We don't care for woke pronouns and don't have any agenda other than having an easy day We are polite, kind and not in to any drama. Easy life for us. We like cats. Cheers for now.

Instead I see a different voice / alarm being manifested - and that is with the use of AI (Artificial Intelligence). In the case of UHC, they were using AI to determine if an insurance claim was getting denied or not. Prior to the use of AI, this task was done by humans. What is the difference = AI versus Human ? Humans have compassion. Unfortunately, the AI that I have been exposed to in this period seems to lack "human compassion". So, for matters of health and life and death, should we as the human race allow AI to make those decisions for us ? Shall we hide behind the decisions of AI to obtain more profits (greed) at the detriment of the human race? This is the conversation that I would hope come out of this unfortunate assassination.

I find myself having a good laugh over this photo posted on Hotmale social media. It was quick thinking on the part of their staff to snap this photo after I put the garlands on the dancers last Saturday night.

If the faces of the guys really resemble the AI generated drawing, they wouldn't be working at Freshboys! They will be working at Moonlight!

Thanks Min for responding and sharing. I wish you well with this arrangement. I have one point to which there is no need to respond. There are some Thai guys that would definitely not be attracted to other asians. J isn't one of them given his "international"boyfriends! If you think there is a possibility of a long term relationship I would give some leeway if you are away for any lengthy period for non customers. The nights can get cold(obviously not literally in Pattaya!) for horny young men. And better J has that freedom(and you also) on the condition that you share this information with each other. Better a relationship built on reality rather than deception. J has a small circle of friends at the bar at the moment, but he sounds social so his social circle will enlarge. On the other hand if your priority is that you should have exclusive access to J's body for the fees that you are guaranteeing him that is understandable, but really you are making him an employee, perhaps that is what you want. Anyway please keep us updated as you describe the situation from your viewpoint very well, it's an interesting read and you sound like a good guy.

I generally go to a massage shop that has straight muscular guys, choose one I like, and then in the room I announce that I will be massaging them. They are often taken aback at first, but with gentle encouragement, I have never had anyone refuse. I massage them for 5 minutes or so, accidentally brushing up against their cock until they are hard. At that point I edge them very slowly until they are moaning and squirming, stop, then start again. I repeat as necessary until they eventually explode.

Still a virgin?

Actually, we do not travel together this time. I'll fly to Africa tomorrow for a 10-day safari trip. J. needs to go home to supervise the renovation of part of his family house. He applied for a leave, but the bar owner would not approve because it's now high season and the bar is pretty busy. So I offer to pay the off fee for him to cover the time he'll be away. After consulting various arrangements the boys have with their respective sponsors, the other day, I officially made a "sponsorship" deal with J., which is transactional by nature. I'll give him 3000B for each time I off him from the bar, with a guaranteed monthly income of at least 25K. That means, any month I meet him 8 days or less, or not at all (usually when I travel to a different continent for the whole month), he still receives 25K. Otherwise, he would make more than that. Like this coming January, I plan to be there for 2 weeks so he would easily make 40K from me alone. J. receives roughly 6K from the bar (basic salary + his cut on drinks and off fees) and a couple of grands in tips from other customers in a good month, which would be enough to cover his local expenses. He can save and/or send home all the money I give him. I also encourage him to save at least 10K per month, putting it into a saving account for his clothes store project, and promise that if by the end of the year he can save at least 100K, I'll give him a boost of 20K. It took J a day to sleep on the offered deal, then asked why I don't just give him a fixed allowance, like other sponsors do. I explained that I'm his customer-cum-boyfriend. As a boyfriend, I'd make sure he has enough money to live on and send home, with or without other sources of income. But as a customer, I also want to give him additional motivations to spend more quality time with and take good care of me (my way of pre-empting what @vinapu often calls complacency). Provide good service so that the customer would keep coming back Of course, our deal, like most boy sponsorship I know of in Pattaya, includes a provision for exclusiveness. He can sit and go drinking with other customers, but no sexual favors, to which, he's like "ok" with no change in facial expression. That's good news right?

@durian please realize that effective 01-Jan-2024, Thailand has modified their Territorial Tax Regime and now will make inbound wire transfers into Thailand subject to Assessable Income, which may or may not be subject to Thailand taxation (as per the PIT) if you are a tax resident in a given tax year. Thailand's tax year coincides with the calendar tax year. Furthermore, the definition of tax resident is if you reside in Thailand for more than 180 days in a tax year. On top of the above, this new Thai government is considering to implement a Global Tax Regime (at the behest of the OECD) and to move away from the formerly friendly Territorial Tax Regime. See below article in Thai - but if you are using Google Chrome and you right click on it you can have it translated into English. https://pantip.com/topic/42949323 This article is directly from the source - as per: Ms. Kullaya Tantitemit, Director-General of the (Thai) Revenue Department. In my opinion, if this new Thai government will implement a Global Tax Regime - then it will no longer be a favorable retirement destination.

Preview of Atlas?

They wouldn't dare touch such an icon.

The scene in the last photo looks familiar!

Omg you guys, so I went to the famous Madrid for lunch today and the pizza was among one of the best I’ve ever eaten. Highly recommend!

I've had United Healthcare since 2017 as a supplemental plan to Medicare. It costs me $400 monthly, BUT I have NEVER had any claims denied, and was never billed for any out-of-pocket costs, and I've had 2 major surgeries during that period totaling $400K, and I visit several specialists every 3 months, again with NO copay or out-of-pocket costs... So my experience is quite different than a lot of others, but I agree insurance companies are finicky and difficult to deal with. Same with auto insurance companies.... And I do understand Luigis pain and frustration, however he and his family are Wealthy, so I would assume they have Great insurance, better than the insurance I have, but perhaps because mine is in conjunction with Medicare, it works differently than a stand alone plan ? If Greed was a cause for Murder, which can be justified and accepted, then what can we say about our INCOMING President Trump, who is the poster boy for GREED ? He better keep his secret service real close, and treat them well. Nevertheless, I do agree he is HOT, and would certainly Blow him, but as I posted in a thread in the politics forum, he has a doppelganger, Ezra Sosa, a pro dancer on Dancing with the Stars.... They could be TWINS.

LOL. Those are outdated and misguiding stereotypes. Among the followings of both clubs you will find rich and poor fans. The stereotypes come from the origin of the clubs, but are not representative any longer.

I got it , just of curiosity , you are River Plata or Boca Juniors fan ?

Well, that's a Sci Fi classic dystopian landscape. I do not know whether that will happen or any of the alternative dystopian futures, but I am pessimistic. Most people seem to be choosing the individualist way, even when it may be selfless. I am not wired to believe in individualist solutions. I, myself, am giving up. At 62, I am not trying to change the world any longer and instead I am focusing on myself. I have lots of things to get better at. Meanwhile, even if everything is going to hell, I am thrilled at what is happening. And by the way, I am (was) rather an anti-capitalist than an anti-communist. Both systems have pros and cons. Maybe the exit is something in between.

Donald J Trump, the first person to be named Person of the Year and Fast Food Employee of the Year at the SAME time. Who knew slingin Fries AND being a convicted criminal were so lucrative ? One thing is CLEAR, they aint BLACK jobs !

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tiffany-trump-s-father-in-law-now-middle-east-adviser-is-small-time-truck-salesman-not-billionaire-report/ar-AA1vLILS?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=2af47b7f0ea64fc9a44be3e27271e3fa&ei=49 Boulos is chief executive of SCOA Nigeria PLC, a company that sells trucks and heavy machinery in Nigeria, and is controlled by Boulos’s father-in-law. The company made less than $66,000 in profit last year and is valued at $865,000, according to corporate records obtained by the Times. Boulos’s stake in the company, according to the records, is worth less than $2. Trump has claimed Boulos is an “accomplished lawyer and a highly respected leader in the business world, with extensive experience on the international scene,” and media reports have described Boulos as getting a law degree from the University of Houston. The school told the Times it has no record of that.

Interesting arrangement. Two questions if I may. Does the exclusiveness extend beyond customers to other Thai Guys on a non commercial basis? What do you/J expect to be the duration of this agreement?

Update, Friday the 13th of December 2024 am. Thursday and today are nice days so far. None of the predicted rain and just a few spotty patches of drizzle yesterday. It is forecast to rain Sat, Mon and next Tuesday. Changed apts and new place is nicer to look at, but bedroom AC does not work and other more minor issues. Went to the cinema by Sext Rose at 1300 hrs (26 R$). From prior trips, I knew it gets a mostly older clientele, but when it does get hot with even a few younger folks (20s-40s and 1-2 pay for play - around 40 R$ in the past though none today), it can be very hot, even better than S R, though as hot as 117 or 202. Left for S R at 1345 as nothing was going on that I was interested in. At S R, 1 or 2 doors away, after messing about with a few guys I was finally very happy in less than 30 minutes. Stayed to play more until 1500 hours. Seemed to be a different group of guys than Tuesday. Got too hungry and left for a late lunch / early dinner. Went to a centro Portuguese restaurant, then a dessert place with better food reviews than Conf. Columbo. The restaurant food was good, but the lady with the CC machine asked me multiple times to leave the tip in cash. Never been asked this before and the food was not inexpensive compared to other nearby restaurants. Quite odd and she insisted the service of 10% was not included. My PT is far from perfect, but I ordered and spoke to the waiter and her only in PT. The nearby dessert place was ok but not as good as the one near Atlantico on Siq Campos in Copa or Cardin in Leblon. C Columbo was right out of a 1900 ish turn of century novel, but most reviews said not to eat there due to high price and poor quality. Went to Bip Bip in Copa near the Fort and the 5-7 member band played from 2200+ hours. There is very little information about the place on the web, and I only found out about it from another tourist a trip or 2 ago. The instagram site says almost nothing, though I expected music to start at 2000 hours, arrived after 2100 hrs, and went a block to the beach at Copa ?Posto 6 area? for a while too. There was a nearby souvenir market at night. Surfed the web courtesy of the Selina Copa hotel / digital nomad workplace across and a few doors down from Bip Bip. The wifi code from Selina Lapa worked just fine. Crowd size is fairly small at Bip Bip as it is a tiny place and maybe 30 folks hang out inside and on the sidewalk to listen. I left in less than an hour due to many bug bites on my ankles / legs, but when I walked back to apt, barely saw any swelling, though lots of itching. Stayed in to follow. So, no Taurus bar in Lapa at r de Lapa 8 - will plan to go tonight - Friday night - which really means around 0200 hrs Sat am. Folks just arrived to fix the AC here and do some other minor repairs. Now they tell me and the owner that they need parts, which, of course, they do not have, despite these AC folks doing the install, and parts likely will not arrive until 2-3+ weeks. Saw the mini-split air filter. Completely caked with dust and debris. Was never cleaned. And of course, they cannot show me the broken part(s) but will try to do a temporary fix. Owner cannot find me another place for tonight but will "try" for Saturday. LOL and so it goes.

it's jet lag, in few days you will feel better

poor taste but perfect example of how Russian propaganda works

@floridarob you may be onto something (remember the number = 286), as George Webb, an investigative journalist, posted this in today's newsletter - as he is closely following this issue. Below was extracted from George Webb's newsletter dated 13-Dec-2024:

And they knew/saw the outcome...and the profit, and decided to push forward. This was a decision that the consequences (to the patients) were known....unknown was the threat to them and hopefully this will make some corporations think twice before making $$$ a priority over humans, or just hire more security 🤷‍♂️

This has gone on for too long, UnitedHealth had the highest number of claims denied under his leadership....he was the one that could've changed that. This has been going on too long, the separation of wealth has grown so much, it's ridiculous..... I have zero sympathy for him or his family as do many people....I hope it's a wake up call to the greedy and not only to hire more security! @Mavica no number of downvotes you put will change my mind about this guy, only about you. I wish the news agencies would do an expose on how many deaths and suffering this guy's policies has been the cause of....I personally know 2.

I asked if half-and-half pizza was possible and she said yes (and I'm pretty sure I read it in the forum too), one half is your favourite and the other half I can't remember the name but I think 'Madrid special'

I see very remote resemblance of number 25 and 41 to actual guys although bulges are kind of reflecting reality. I case you missing boys becomes unbearable you only 2 hr flight away

certainly it proves Pattaya as family-planning-friendly destination

ALBERT EINSTEIN SAID VIOLENCE ALWAYS ATTRACTS MEN OF LOW MORALITY.

Luigi HAS a Doppelganger..... EZRA SOSA, pro dancer on Dancing with the Stars

By now, we know they never own their sh!t. Every acquaintance and coworker I know that declared bankruptcy is a Democrat-hating Republican. Look at Ashli Babbitt. She was a total fuck up IMO. But it was never her fault. She blamed others for her failures. Not her own incompetence and ignorance.

suspected of being murderer and instant celebrity? Just because bit of six pack? That's sick

exactly , with so many hot bodies and apparently all hi-so guys as a bonus

hope those were nice guys. 10 minutes ago I got the same message from guy who pissed me off mightily in August by reneging on LT commitment after less than 1 hr. My answer was short 'good'. Why I bother to answer ? I hope he will ask me ' when you see me again ?" and I have answer ready already.

Couldn't you go as a choir boy?

I gather they charge much less than Boss would and being older don't force activities which were to be too taxing

You don't have fear of God!

It was definitely your Kama to be in the right place at right moment throughout this trip. You experienced far to many encounters to chaulk up to mere “coincidence.” Whether it was on the street, in a bar or massage shop, they kept coming fast an furious. Running into Boss at tail end was jewel in the crown. Thanks for the companionship and friendship we share. And thanks from my guy for making his birthday memorable. He also very much enjoyed the late suppers, chess and pool matches we all shared.

Yes, add me to that list. Pattaya and Jomtien as a paradise ... as a tourist ... heavily influenced my decision to retire here. But the reality of living here is not a paradise ... My original plan was to retire in Italy (as I also have an Italian passport). But some years back on the gay Roman beach I saw some situations that turned me off of that idea to retire in Italy. The elderly retired gay Italians on the gay beach are often despised by the non-elderly gays. On some occasions, I saw with my own eyes old retirees who had sand kicked on them when they tried to strike up a conversation with the other younger gay Italians. After I saw those incidents - I remembered that I NEVER saw this type of behavior in Thailand - especially at the gay Dongtan beach here in Jomtien. The elderly are very welcome. So, I guess our retirement locations have good and bad. For me, living here is too transactional - but I would rather have that problem than having sand kicked on me because I am old and the young gays despise us gay elders - because their hostility towards us is their own fear of getting old.

I like to dance, I like to laugh. I did this in Pattaya and got some strange looks from expats 😳"Aren't you too old to be dancing , one asked in Pattaya Yes I said ,I should sit here being miserable with you 😜 Oh fuck it...I will dance instead Did it in Bangkok and got farangs joining me 🕺🕺😜

Not jealous, but no sympathy either.... how many times have you been turned down for Long time or even an off or know someone that has been.....? It's transactional on their part most of the times, so I keep that in mind, it's a transaction on both sides.....there are exceptions, however they are few and far between these days.

In the past month or so, there have been trip reports on Freshboys about the oldest guy #41. Last night I was at Freshboys and didn't find any old guy. Taking over the #41 is a 22-year-old Vietnamese twink with some beautiful tattoos. Happy retirement to previous #41!

"Note 2 self: in future, make a screenshot of the translator agreement." That is such a good idea, I have thought of it in the past. WHen it degrades to that point, it really is a bitter experience. They hear English, or God forbit see a +1 number (*telling them you are from Canada helps a little versus USA) and the price triples!

Did not spend my Thursday and Friday afternoons at cinema even though I really really wanted to watch Gladiator 2. That's because I promised a guy to visit him at Adam Massage in Soi 4. He had switched to this new workplace from his previous shop in Soi 6 and I became his first customer at 2pm on Thursday. He was happy. I was happy. His new boss was very happy! Friday afternoon was spent at Sauna Mania. I decided that I needed to finally visit this institution since I stay so near in nearby soi 3. Was there for 3 hours plus and would have continued staying if not for the fact that I had dinner appointment. Surprisingly not busy on Friday afternoon. I estimate about 30 people in total in the gym, Sauna, balcony area and the dark maze. It goes without saying that most guys were in the maze! A healthy mix of guys. There were farang, some Asians and Thais equally split. There were even a few gym-fit and good-looking types. No big groups of China guys. In fact, everywhere in the bars and shopping centres, I have noticed that there are not many tourists from mainland China probably because it's not holiday season in China yet. Had some light fun with two guys in the maze. Well worth the price of 360 baht.

We exited soi 4 and turned right towards Silom Edge where Beef had relocated to. The lift took us to 9th floor. Not much of a queue to go inside (just 5 persons ahead of us) unlike the long queue when Beef was at soi 4. Probably because bigger venue. New location has outdoor seating for those who want to take a break from the music inside. Price was 600 baht with 2 free drinks of your choice plus 1 special free cocktail of the night comprising gin and tonic in a cute little glass. No cash accepted though so need to bring credit card or pay through phone. The staff in Beef (DJs and bartenders) were beefy but only half the customers were beefy. There were many regular sized guys such as Z and me. In terms of age, mostly below 40. Locals and many Filipinos (presumably working in Bangkok) made up 2/3 of crowd while the rest were tourists. Wide range of music from Western pop to Thai to K-Pop. Lots of dancing and jumping around and lots of drunk fellas. Z and I enjoyed ourselves a lot. We left 15 minutes before closing time of 2am.

I was convinced we could have taken a bus from the BTS to the bus stop outside the soi leading to Phoenix Massage but the 30-minute was interesting- a guided tour by expert forum member. When we entered Phoenix Massage, the manager proactively gave us a each bottle of water to cool down while he summoned the guys to present themselves. Some of them were playing pool at the pool table and they quickly ended their game and stood in front of us. Manager took his calculator to show us 599 for each but expert forum member reminded him of promotion of 3 massages for 1000 baht. Manager said oh yes and gave us promotion price. There were 12 of them working. All very average types. Forum members picked their guys while I was undecided. I asked the manager to recommend a guy who kisses and he suggested a guy in red T-shirt and I said yes. No en suite toilet in rooms upstairs but bathroom nearby had enough space for shared shower. The massage room while not spacious was not cramped. I got a room with mattress on floor which I liked. Red t-shirt guy gave me packet of mouthwash to prepare for oral activities. Very thoughtful. I declined to shower. I was keen to get started. Red t-shirt guy had undressed to towel by then. He said give him a minute to wash himself. Once he came back, he removed towel to reveal a hard cock and he started to massage me body to body. While I enjoyed his cock rubbing against me, it was clearly obvious that he only knew some basic massage strokes. After 5 minutes, I took the lead and for the rest of the hour, it was kissing, stroking and sucking and finally cumming. We showered together after that. He spoke no English. From Laos. I tipped him the minimum tip of 1200 baht. I went downstairs and saw the rest of the guys gambling 20 baht each on a card game. It involves 3 cards. I couldn't understand how it worked but the guys had a good time playing. I watched and tried to learn and was about to take out 20 baht notes from my wallet to play but forum members came out and it was time to go.