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beautiful, reminds me buying small picture in Myanmar : ' how much is that picture ?" , answer " 7000 Kyat but we have promotion : 2 for 16000 "

do I sniff some jealousy here? Thread permanently derailed after 4 posts, it must be record !

TRIP REPORT DAY 2 THE ONE / TAWAN I went to The One just before their 22h45 was about to start. When I came in around 8 customers were having their drink and about 12 boys where on duty. I hate to say that I didn't feel the welcoming atmosphere that it used to have. The boys were even more on their phones than before. Almost the only moments somebody would have some attention for you was when they went around for tips for the different show acts. The type of guys on rotation where a mix from twink (yes, in the former Tawan... 2 or 3 twinks on duty) to older guys that have had their best days. And not much in between. On a positive note; no ladyboys in the show tonight. I did like the act with two guys in tight wrestle singlets. Would have loved to touch them in that lycra, but they didn't come around the customers for tips. All customers left very soon after show was finished. I had to rush my drink to get to leave also, as I was the only customer left and it felt a bit awkward. Maybe it was a bad night, maybe it is true that the former Tawan lost its charm. DREAMBOY Time to check out Dreamboy. Back in soi twilight this was the first gogo-bar I ever visited and it was my favorite for a long time. Who remembers the live fucking show there, while the guys where doing acrobatic moves on stage... Good old times. I was just in time for their 2nd show of the night. Can't remember how many guys were on rotation but I think it was about 25 till 30. But many of them a bit on the "bulkier" side. My type (a little bit muscle, not too much) not much available. During the coyoto dance act their was one guy really giving it all and dancing so much more active than the others. According to papasan he was "a good bottom too" besides a good dancer. And he was going to make sure the boy would come sit with me after the show. But apparently another customer already has eyes on him, because after show papasan came to say sorry that "my boy" was already sitting with other customer for drink. Not much later boy came anyway to me, because other customer only wanted drink and chat. Sometimes it pays off to wait a bit. Off fee for bar 550 baht, tip for boy st 3000. DJ STATION / GOD My dancer boy and I decided to check out the clubs together. First to DJ station. We danced, drink and looked at some hot guys. Must say he has good taste when it comes to which boys he liked. I also like watching the guys do their dance routine on the K-pop area. Fun to see how they learned the dances to all these songs. It was not too busy, but what to expect from a school night. Was still nice be there again. At 2:30am we decided to have a drink at GOD. Probably I'm the last one to find out, but till now I didn't know it's from the same owners as Dreamboy. The guys in GOD seemed to be a bit more under the influence of alcohol (or something else) than in DJ station. Many shorts came off and a lot of slutty dancing. Lol After two more drinks it was time to take my dancer boy back to my hotelroom. Where we had a very satisfying rendezvous. The naughty boy proposed to do a threeesome next time...

I'm glad you got the thread back on track, vinapu. The only piece of meat I had during my recent visit to Bangkok was 'T' from Tawan. I offed him several times. Either I went to the show or arranged to meet him before or during opening hours. He's probably the oldest guy in the bar, but I like his physique very much and he was very obliging with my request to kiss, which is something I find very erotic. I think a lot of the bodybuilders who are GFP aren't interested in kissing. Having said that, I would have possibly liked to have offed one or two of the other bodybuilders, but I felt loyal to T, and I know he's not getting much business.

I'm not concerned, I don't swim in the sea in Pattaya, water is too wet for my taste

it's how things on forum are. rest assured as soon as somebody (for example you ) posts fresh report from The One thread will return to main subject , at least for a short while

He's one of the old dumbbells' there as discovered in another post...

Remember the Leonard Rossiter series, where he had a shop called Grot, and did the same thing! Sorry, showing my age here.....

It's not just the "truckloads of shit all creatures living in the seas...", you need to be concerned with, it's the poorly designed / controlled sewage systems that's been installed. This from last year. https://esquare.co.th/?p=2552 With only a 2000THB fine for the hotels, it's hardly a deterrent. I live by the sea and can see clearly the discharge of Black Water after it rains. As for swimming in it, a definate no no for me. For an enjoyable near pollution free swim go out to the islands off the coast and use the west side of the island, i.e. the side furthest from Pattaya or Jomtien. Furthermore if you snorkel or dive you'll see some actual authentic colourful sea life.

about that promotion - in days past there was boy there, no longer in business , I offed few times who was clearly model material . I asked him why he is not one and his reasoning was that because models off fees and expected tips are so high, they are not offed that often and he can make more money just being floor guy.

TRIP REPORT DAY 1 Finally... Today in arrived in Bangkok. It was the first time my flight was at a gate at the remote airport terminal. So I had to take the train to the main terminal. As we all know: quite some walking required at BKK to finally get to passport control. I didn't bother to look for a priority lane for business class passengers as many desks in the "normal" area were open with just two or three people in front of each desk. So entering the kingdom went very smoothly. No landing card anymore to fill in. Just give them your passport and boarding card. While waiting for my baggage I took enough bahts from the atm to cover a few days and bought a Thai simcard. I went to the public taxi bays. No cues. And before I knew it I was in the taxi on my way to Silom. I arrived at my hotel around 2pm. Room in Ibis Styles Silom was already available. Check in could be a bit more time efficient in this hotel. I was tired after my long flights. So I decided to have a nap after I first stocked up in the 7eleven around the corner. Couldn't resist to open Grindr. My non-representative research conslusion: many freelancers on Grindr ask 3000baht for st but almost all of them are willing to come visit you in your hotel room for 2000. Not much negotiation skills needed for them to drop the price. FRESHBOYS After a good sleep it was time to go out for my first night in Bangkok since more than a year. Excited to see what has changed and what has stayed the same. After a quick Thai bite at Pride in soi4 I walked to Patpong soi 2. Last times I was in Bangkok I had good experiences in Freshboys (my taste of boys plus nice show, the ladyboy they had was good and even had a fire act) so I decided that was going to be my first stop of the night. Convenient sign outside with showtimes. I watched the first show full, and part of the second show. The timings were correct, but the kind of acts the perform is not completely as how they advertise it on the board outside. The ladyboy performing tonight was not the same as before, was oké but not so good. Rest of show was what you expect as a veteran and can be a bit boring when you've seen all many times before. Around 25 boys on rotation. Bare chested, only wearing white sportshorts. Mix between skinnier twins to guys with abs and light muscled bodies. The last categorie is the kind of guys I like. Unfortunately most of this type of boys in the bars are top, while I'm looking for bottoms. A not (very) pushy papasan helped me out by writing down numbers of many of the bottoms or "can do all"-types. Unfortunately the 3 favorites I had were not on his list. More thorough research concluded in that one of my favorites actually would be able to bottom. Happy me. But I was not ready for my pick of the day yet. It was still too early and had other places to check. So I politely promised I will be back another night and took the paper with all the numbers papasan wrote down with me. Convenient to take with me next time I go to freshboys. Hopefully same boys keep same number though. THE ONE / TAWAN It was around 23h24 when I arrived at The One. I remembered they always had a midnight show so I planned to go there to check it out. But... I didn't even get inside as the friendly guys outside told me show was already over. Only at 22h45 the have a show apparently now. Maybe this is different in weekends, as it is Monday now with less customers. Have to get back to The One on an earlier evening. HOTMALE Back to Patpong soi 2 I went. Decided to check out Hotmale. They had some upgrades. New logo that is on some of the outside signs and even on the glassware inside. Also inside some small changes, mainly new led-lightning on the wall. The just-after-midnight-show was about to start according to the papasan. I double checked as I could only see 2 other customers inside. But the secured me the show was going to start anyway. The 22h30 show is more busy normally according to staff. Around 15 boys on rotation. Red long (!?) sporttrousers and while most of the boys where bare chested, some did wear a hotmale shirt. I directly spotted a familiar face between them. One of my offs the last time I was in Bangkok. He was smiling naughty at me. I instantly knew: this boy is coming home with me tonight. Nice 6 pack, cute smile. And I remember some good advise from this forum : always go for boys that make eye contact with you so they are "interested" and more likely to "give better quality of service". During the show no new customers arrived. So the boys ended up doing it for only me and 2 other customers. Felt a bit embarrassing actually. My boy was in the show. He was doing a dance act and is part of the big cock parade. So I made sure I "reserved" him to come sit with me after the show. During the show more naughty looks to eachother were exchanged. Apparently it was bit clear to all other boys that I already made my decision as two others kept fighting desperate for my attention (and money). Talking about money: price for entrance plus drink in Hot ale went up to 500baht. Off-fee (500) and tip for boy (2000 for st) still the same. A good first night in Bangkok!

the Ice emoji means some drugs and the leaf is weed... the DEA has more info 😱 https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/Emoji Decoded.pdf Here's some other Grindr translations: Host= a hotel=Airbnb =desperate for attention. It’s my birthday =desperate for attention. Moving soon = desperate for attention. Deleting soon = desperate for attention. Now= I will flake on you and also desperate for attention. "Hi" = Just want sex without any personality engaged. "No time wasters" = I'm a time-waster. "No dickheads" = I always attract dickheads (red flag!). "No Asians sorry" = I'm a dickhead, sorry. "Discrete" = I love endless horny talk about what we'll do together, but I'm unlikely to ever be available to hookup in person. Even if we make a date, I'll probably cancel at the last minute. Repeating already asked questions = I'm chatting to 6 other guys right now. Blank pic = Time-waster. "Horny" = Anything I say now only applies to the next 10 mins. Don't expect me to be into you tomorrow in the same way that I am right now.

First of all, thanks to everyone on this forum. I've been reading it for years - could it be 15? - or definitely before my first ever trip to Brazil, which was three lifetimes ago. It provided me with a lot of info and a bit of a chuckle - and I'm sorry I was on silent all that time. I almost registered when all non-members were kicked out a couple of years back, but then the gods above were merciful to allow us back for a part of it, and my laziness prevailed. Did I say again I'm sorry? - I am. It's been a hell of a time to see Brazil (and other parts of the world) changing, the same way I was changing too: I came to Rio for the first time 14-15 years ago, totally hated it (the real to USD at 1.6 at that time didn't help), then came back a couple of years later, then there was one whole winter I spent in Brazil traveling to every corner of it (locally, it was summer of course) - and the rest is history. I traveled especially often in the past 4 years throughout the pandemic - it was pretty much one of the only two countries always open (along with Mexico - but I prefer Brazil), and then there were incredibly cheap tickets, initially in 2020-2021 basically free, then just very cheap (that loophole has recently closed, but stayed open for the incredible three years). I was traveling around the world throughout the pandemic pretty much as I usually do, so it passed me by (and by some kinky luck, covid passed me too - never had it) - and I think I was back in Brazil as early as Sep 2020 I think, and then visited about twice a year. So that historic context aside (and again - thanks to everyone) - several observations on this trip. This year, I'm on a sabbatical, so traveled a bit more than usual - I think I've been to Rio four times in 2023. Good memories - first time Carnival, first time the New Year's Eve a week ago. Amazing. Brazil - and saunas - are defo different not only from what it was 10-15 years ago, but from pre-covid too. I still enjoy 117 and 202 very much - but as some others on this forum, I wonder how long they will last. It's not that apps are killing them - Onlyfans are doing that. The standard of the guys in 117 and 202 has visibly dipped - I'm still satisfied very much every evening I go there, but the standard of the guys there say in 2010s is no longer there - they are doing Onlyfans, or Rhyheim's porn, or it's easier to travel to Europe to make better money there than it was 10-15 yrs ago. A case in point, a guy I know, Henry - he started doing Onlyfans with some good success about two years ago but he was still in saunas maybe 2-3 nights a week. He's a stunner, his Onlyfans is successful, I saw him at the Rio gay pride in November as a part of the model entertainers crowd, but he's not in the saunas anymore. The best guys in 117/202 are now those who fly in from the provinces for a couple of weeks to make money - like Walton from Fortaleza, he's another stunner, and he does some stints in Rio for two-three weeks - I just saw him yesterday in Fortaleza, and he's flying back to Rio again on Weds. I also started to really really like Point. 202 seems such a warmer, more humane, better organised sauna (and aircon in suites works all the time, unlike in 117). I really like the vibe, the atmosphere, that warm feeling of a crowd near the bar - and moreover, there are some absolute gems of a guy who go to 202 only, and never to 117. I guess, Junior scouts them somehow, and even though a lot of the guys work both saunas, some 202-exclusive guys are marvels. One of my favourites in the past several visits is David (or the correct spelling he put into my phone contacts, Deyved) - just a stunning guy with an incredible smile and an incredible chemistry. He comes only to 202, and only a couple of nights a week at most, but he's one of my highlights. Stunning body, stunning technique and the attention to your needs - for a straight guy - he's also never hiked his fee to 200 as everybody else by the end of 2023 in Rio and stays at 150 (still gets more from me). He saw me at the reception when I came to 202 for the first time on this trip, hugged me, kissed me, and then said "don't come with me now, I will be for longer today, hire me towards the end of the night, and I will give you the biggest cumshot possible". And he did. With all that said, 202 is losing ground against 117 - or at least that's my impression over the past couple of years. 202 is back to their two big nights - Monday and Wednesday - but lost all other days. I still remember fabulous Fridays at Point - that was their good night too - but then two or even three times I came to Point on a Friday, and it was totally dead, like Elvis dead. Then, next Friday I came to 117 - and everyone was there, and the house was buzzing. At 117, even slow nights are acceptable, but at 202 if it's dead it's no shit dead. 117 attempted to hijack Wednesdays - it hasn't worked so far. So 202 has still solid Mondays and Wednesdays, but the rest of the week it's 117 - even though I'd have preferred it differently. Even this past week between Xmas and NY, 117 was insanely busy, on some nights the line was to the street (never seen that before), whereas 202's Mons and Weds were good and busy but not over the top busy as 117 was all that week. (Still, last Weds I was #17 in the line for the suites at Point at 8pm - so it was still a good night - however, several boys told me it had been busier before and not anymore). So why this is happening, I don't know - as I'd like 202 to thrive, as I just like them, but it's not terribly easy for them it seems. (Interesting that from next Sunday they will be open on Suns too - I'd be keen to know if they are able to break the 117's Sunday monopoly). Meio Mundo - where do I start. Unlike many posters on the forum, I actually quite liked Meio Mundo back in the day. It has this no-nonsense down-to-earth vibe that was a welcome occasional break from the 117 Men's Health posturing. Yes, it was dirty, but it was kinky dirty. During the pandemic at its new location, Meio Mundo started to drift from its previous "favela sauna" concept to the "drag queen theatre night" concept - that's where it lost the boys, and clients. Still, several of my experiences at Meio Mundo were golden. I think it was two years ago during the pandemic when I came to Meio Mundo because they were the first to start live sex shows in Rio (inbetween the long drag queen sets). It is there where I met Lucas - he was 18 at that time, stunning, with an 8-pack and a shy smile - the definition of a lanky twink top. A friend of his, a typical Meio Mundo favela-style garoto. brought Lucas with him - it was his first time in the sauna. Lucas was so obviously head and shoulders above everybody there that the Meio Mundo owner immediately brought him a free caipirinha and started to fawn over him - the guy was gold. I offered him a programa straight away, and Lucas was initially timid, still with a caipirinha in the suite, not sure what and how to do - sex was great. I was his first ever client, and I think he's likely straight, he's sort of a fixture at 117 now, and we hooked up last week, two years later, for the first time since that forst meeting - Lucas remembered our first sex, I laughed "well, you looked very different from other Meio Mundo garotos on that day", he laughed even harder saying "no doubt about that". He doesn't go to Meio Mundo anymore, and I didn't visit on any of my trips this year - their IG is all full of drag queens, no more live sex shows. But now to live sex shows. The biggest change I've seen in Rio throughout the pandemic is the explosion of Berlin-style cruising bars. Taurus Bar is just 5 min walk from 117 and is most resourceful of them all. Then there is Seven Bar, the new Cruising Parada bar, something else in Centro, something else in Botafogo, etc. They are mostly non-GP cruising bars, but what they do is they usually haul a bunch of Onlyfans models (2 on a rainy day, 5 on a good day, I've been to a night with 8 guest Onlyfans models) - they are billed as the "interactive sex show" but pretty much 15 sec after it starts it becomes very interactive, and Onlyfans models have sex with all who paid 35 or 40 or whatever reais as cover - it's a free-for-all 40-50 person orgy with a bunch of Onlyfans models in the middle (that's how Taurus Bar does it, and I see it as a valid investment of my 35-40 reais). These are still very local-geared places, and the vibe is VERY different from the GP saunas, but more of these places open, and it's quite an experience. I'm in Fortaleza now where such bars equally exploded - there are several of them - and they are all strictly non-GP, just a general orgy. As other saunas across Brazil, California is struggling to keep pace with Onlyfans, apps, etc. - it is still a very fine sauna, and I had lots of sex in the past few days, but as in Rio and SP, the top-tier gobsmacking talent is no longer there. Still, some amazing guys - humble, polite, good in sex, but the Greek gods are gone. There was a good guy from Fortaleza, Wesley, whom I met at 117 after Christmas - I told him I would be coming to Fortaleza and he said let's keep the line open privately, as he said he's not working in saunas back home in Fortaleza - he says he does underwear modeling on IG (whatever that means) but saunas are no-no. I could have easily seen someone like him at California say 7-8 years ago - but that's basically a trend. Onlyfans, IG and private appointments over whatsapp. California in Fortaleza still the only GP sauna. I've been to Dragon Club several times this year - easily the best-equipped sauna in all of Brazil, but usually just a couple of GPs, and mostly the jaded ones. They have some interesting events - I've been to their Mr Dragon competition where incredibly beautiful guys where on stage, but they did not mingle or even stay after the competition and the house emptied out. This weekend, I've been to a free food slash dance party at Dragon starting at 1400 (!) on Sunday - they had free feijoada and caipirinha till 1600, and then some professional Axe dancing for two hours from 1400 till 1600. I arrived at 1530, and Dragon was full of people, munching and drinking. The (professional straight) dancers were really great but were visibly not too comfortable performing in a gay sauna for towel-clad people - some 80mins into their performance they were pressured to lose T-shirts, and they were visibly uncomfortable with one dancer mouthing "no" - they did lose T-shirts for one song and promptly put it back right for the next number. There were maybe three, max four jaded GPs in this packed house - but I quickly left for California where a couple of those Dragon GPs ended up too afterwards. My only guess why this is not happening for Dragon - high entry fee for garotos? I'm going to Recife next where there were two very OK saunas - not GP-focused but where I still found some incredible freelancing GPs in the past couple of years, so I look forward to checking them out again.

Still puzzled!

"it would be so easy to make this country great.” ~ Donald J. Trump ~ So, you had 4 years to make it great. But apparently you didn't succeed. What make you think you can do better this time?

That was my first night... on the 2nd night i had a boy from Chance Osaka... dang the boy i had can pass a K-POP group... borderline submissive and sweet, he told me i'm good looking (just like the boys in thailand) haha. the 3rd night i tried a boy from Urisen-Next.... what a sweet heart.. the first round ended with some 20 minutes left, he was just there hugging me, then he started kissing me again and stroked me.. cummed the 2nd time... now i want to go back! haha actually the boy from Chance Osaka and Urisen Next when they masturbated to cum they actually they actually looked at me in the eye, stare at my lips, my neck back to my eyes... that's what i do when i find the guy attractive... so maybe (just maybe) i'm not so bad after all...

Years ago, in UK, there was a time when they put a chemical in the water at public swimming baths, which reacted with urine, and left a trail for all to see! I'm sure it doesn't happen now!

Last time I was there, at 6pm, at the station, anthem started and the pax all stood to attention.

Haven't been in the right place at the right time since 2020, so I don't know. Regarding your last sentence, that's an interesting point, but the tune they play daily in Lumpini Park and elsewhere is the national anthem, which is highly nationalistic but doesn't refer to royalty at all. (Not surprising, as it was adopted in 1932 when the absolute monarchy was abolished.) To hear the royal anthem you need to go to the cinema.

... in Thai?

Wow Emiel - I love your energetic spirit. Great time!! And this is something that I have not yet done with my off - as I am usually just too pooped / exhausted and I want to get him back to my room before my penis decides to call it a night before I do hahahaha... I cannot wait to read this trip report and to learn about the gymnastics that will need to occur. Do you like the game Twister ?

Perhaps they could form an orderly line for inspection!

THIS was the "sickest" and mosr DERANGED thing Trump has done yet, and should prove to EVERYONE, his supporters alike that the man needs to be institutionalized... And anyone "whitesplaining" this and trying to make it seem NORMAL is just as sick... And THIS is the man people want to make decisions for the well being of Americans and the World. New polling today showed Trump is MORE popular NOW than he has ever been. I am glad all his supporters are being ENTERTAINED by all this, but the man is sick, and dangerous, not only for Americans but for world order. All of our futures are at risk, and people are "laughing" and calling Trump events LOVE FESTS...... Just LOOK at all those Steppford supporters applauding in the background. How do we come to terms with that ?

ok, not sweeping but still inflammatory. Factually correct doesn't mean right ( telling your neighbour she look ugly is factually correct but not right for example ) That's the reason our membership decided not to join discussion on the topic (so far ). fact that investigating such simple, 1 off matter, took 2 years testifies that all issue is kind of hot potato nobody wants to touch.

in , I suspect futile attempt to return to original topic, I seem to have only 4 semi-permanent guys at the moment. Meaning of that is I met each at least once every of three trips I made this year Y from Moonilight S from HotMale (surprisingly perhaps I met both for the first time in short lived New Twilight bar ) N, freelance masseur sometimes featuring in Jay and Sabaidee spa offerings Guy not from the scene who decides himself when he will see me but I can decline without any fuss. There's also N , masseur from Maha but I missed him in May

hope neither church nor temple but 7/11 would do

it's why we love Pattaya

Thanks, although I was talking about ME, lol

So we will have a forum gathering in Bangkok somewhere between November 14 and 17...? 😜

This is sooo you...I think of you whenever I see this character 😁

it's what's gotten me though life 😁

Google has quite a number of listings and articles for it.... https://aseannow.com/topic/1077271-jomtien-supertown-walking-street-they-built-it-will-you-come/ https://thevenue-jomtien.com/contact-form/ Even Jomtien Complex refers to it as Supertown: https://jomtiencomplex.com/2023/03/08/jomtien-complex-supertown-thriving-in-2023/ https://www.gaysupertown.com/ Here's a new one to piss you off: https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/789023014625319/supertown-jomtien-walking-street/ Supertown Jomtien Walking Street

I don't know how this thread about Tawan ended up in a discussion about hookup apps, but... Because I know there are more (local) guys on Hornet or Heesay than on Grindr I have profiles on all apps. But still I think Grindr is the most easy and friendly to use. Specially when you are paid member. Heesay had so many ads popping up and also very limited amount of profiles visable. When trying to apply for paid version I found out that's not possible as Google Play account in Europeans where paid Heesay is not available... By the way their promotion is not very good... Discount price same as normal price? 😂 Hornet is possible for me to get paid membership. Only 99baht for a month. Think I will try out. For that low price even if it doesn't work out and does not lead to a new load of hot boys it's still oke... Lol

Mine are all from the Pattaya area - unless Vinapu is in town then some BKK guys could get on this list: 1) B (Thai) guy from the Jomtien Supertown Complex, who organizes my 4 hands massages on 2 of my 4 weekly gym days 2) B (Thai) guy from the Dongtan gay volleyball, who organizes my 4 hands massages on 1 of my 4 weekly gym days For the other days in the week - if I would want sex - then it is from the apps - mostly from Hornet - as that is where I have the most success.

In my opinion, the local city government is at fault here. We all pee in the see because there is NO where else to pee. The city has not built any bathrooms that are open in the night when the beach gets packed because - as we know the Thais do not like the sun and they flock to the beach at sunset or afterwards and by that time the few public toilets have already been closed and locked up. so, if you need to pee - where should you do it ? p.s. I hate peeing in the Jomtien sea - but as there is no other choice on where to pee - I join the Thais and do it with them. I am always bitching and complaining about the coffee brown color of the sea water - but the local city government needs to improve the situation in my opinion. Just go to Jomtien soi 12 at night and it is packed - especially after the bars close....

It looks as though the long arm of the law has intervened!

Mine are all in Bangkok. I have 5 regular guys: 1) T (Vietnam) (Freshboys) 2) Z (Myanmar) (Hotmale beer bar) 3) J (Laos) (Moonlight) 4) N (Cambodia) (Jupiter) 5) L (Vietnam) (Soi 6 massage)

yes - perfect plan - even include WhatsApp - but here in Thailand most of the guys use LINE. The alternate apps (Hornet, PlanetRomeo, Heesay {ex BLUED}, etcetra) allow you to see guys that are not in Grindr because of their broken kaleidoscope approach to the way they conduct their business.

# Me too

Watch this and let us know if you will give Moonlight a chance? 🤪🤩😛

skilful and in the know motorsai driver may deliver both , often in single run and in case of lack of alternative , he himself may be tasty addition to that bottle(s)

This is one of the many reasons that I HATE Grindr. They try to play GOD too much and consequently hurt our desperate guys who are trying to make a living. Then for us on the consumer side - we can't find the guys we want because they are not on Grindr for a myriad of reasons. Grindr is like a broken kaleidoscope that prevents us from seeing the many many guys who are actually willing and available. Just compare the number of profiles visible in Pattaya of Grindr versus Hornet for example = many more are visible and available in Hornet. Also, Grindr is very expensive (when compared to the other apps) and they are always upselling additional services for things that are basic on other apps - like to be able to see who visited my profile. Grindr acts like RyanAir where they try to make you pay for every single basic feature.

In UK it meant escort

I think diamond emoji means something else? (i.e. crystal meth)

Diamond emoji has also been used

some of them are shrewd using phrases as "not for fun" or just ' available" , also corrupted forms like ' muny " or inserting signs like $ or just letter S

While I agree with you both, sometimes I wonder if some venues are purposely keeping low profile . As for boys getting next to no business in Tawan (and some other venues as well ) boys would do great service to themselves if they focus more on client service and less on outstretching palms and lowered briefs asking for tips at every turn and lowering their fees to more market level. At times I have feeling that bar which I for long considered friendliest of them all and had trips on Tawan's monodiet lost it's shine due to excessive greed.

Would strongly agree with you @bkkmfj2648. I regularly have to visit TukCom and always get my Bolt from the back door. The boys at the massage shop across the Soi are always head down on their phones, of if they put their head up, it's because they're having a smoke. Same with the shop next to the French Restaurant round the corner. No concept of trying to connect with a potential punter. If using Google for investigation / reasearch purposes, no recent reviews to give the impression they're actually open for business, or they've improved since their last review back in 2017! Also find any guys offering Massage services on TF or Grindr, soon as you push them for details of their facilities, you're then acknowledged with silence. Get the impression the concept of Marketing is viewed as a farang thing out here, so must very bad.

and this is not ONLY a Tawan = The One problem it is almost EVERYWHERE in the gay Thailand world - this FAILURE to implement basic marketing strategies. They will complain that they have no money and no customers but won't take that step to market and/or market themselves to make them visible. Here in Jomtien, so many of the local guys complain that they don't get enough customers but when I look at their app footprint I see the following problems: they only use Hornet and their entire profile is ONLY in the Thai language. I tell them if you want to reach the farang (non Thai) potential client base you need to insert some English words into your profile, many of them do not use Grindr - I keep telling them if you want to get non-Thai customers you need to have a presence on Grindr - as that is where most of the farangs hang out when they do their guy searching via apps. Unfortunately, I have heard horrible stories where if someone reports you as being a money boy (MB) on Grindr or by Grindr themselves they block them at the mobile phone level - meaning that if they even change the email that Grindr associates them with - that Grindr will still block them as somehow Grindr can see the device ID and know that it is them that they already blocked, the Heesay app (formerly BLUED) is really only used by a subset of the larger Asian population (China ? Korea? and some in Thailand). Again, I tell them to insert English words into their Heesay profile, Fear that their "friends" will learn that they are a money boy - so they write their profiles in such a way that a person visiting Thailand would have NO clue that they are available for hire. As for the massage shops here in Jomtien - they are their worst enemy - as the shop owners do not do any marketing of their guys and/or shops like they do in Bangkok - so the guys are left alone to their own devices for marketing purposes. Generally, the guys do not implement a self-promotion marketing plan and prefer to sit on those plastic chairs outside of these small massage shops for 6 to 8 hours a day waiting for that one farang who might chose them. They get desperate, especially if they have only had one customer in a given week. Furthermore, many are freelance - and so the shop does not pay them a salary and if they get a non-Thai customer and that person is not accustomed to giving a tip (on which they survive on to pay the rent and eat) their situation becomes quite dire - as it is very difficult to live on a 20 baht tip. Again, I fault the managers / owners of these small shops for not properly "educating" the incoming customers. In Bangkok, many of the massage shops are quite explicit and clear about how much you (the client) are supposed to tip the masseur as it relates to the requested service.

I am happy for you that persistence paid off. Also, useful for this board to have this first-hand information. Imagine the headline: Mass shooting at gay bathhouse after man rejected four times; 27 dead. Police were called a little after 11pm to a building on 15th Street after shots rang out and naked men were seen fleeing the premises. The building, frequented by homosexuals and called Pleasure Hole had been an unassuming business in the community for several years, keeping a low profile. But the bathhouse was well-known in the homosexual community. The shooter is believed to have killed himself as police cornered him in the steam room. According to the name on his bathhouse membership card, he was Eugene Mattayod. His age is unknown. Membership records show that this was only his third visit, after signing up about seven weeks ago. A neighbour who was drying her hair near her upstairs window said she heard some muffled shots but wasn't alarmed as she wasn't initially sure that they came from a firearm. "The building had thick walls and closed windows," said Tricia Tricks, "and the sounds were not loud." Then she saw naked men feeling from the front door and an upstairs window, climbing onto the roof of a porch. "Some of them had really big dongs, like horses. It was so exciting, I was distracted and kept holding my hair dryer against the same side of my head until my hair caught fire." Her boyfriend then called the fire department to come put the fire out from her head. When the fire engines arrived, they were surprised to be surrounded by naked men on the street shouting about a shooting. This wasn't consistent with the call they received which was about a Tricia with her head on fire. They called the police who arrived shortly after. Meanwhile many other neighbours were peeping through their windows, but afraid to come out. They told this reporter that they too heard what sounded like gunshots and didn't think it safe to come out of their doors. On top of that, having naked men come scrambling over their garden hedges was not something their church had taught them how to respond to. "It was best to lock our doors," said Miriam Morales. "I pride myself on my moral standards," she added. "We shouldn't be talking to naked men, not even to find out what was happening. Who knows what psychological effect that might have on normal people, like turning homosexual ourselves and drowning in sin." Her 12-year-old son Angel had a different opinion. "The men were very beautiful," he said, earning him a smack on his head and a stern "Wash your mouth out and go to bed!" Two women from three doors away did come out. Dressed only in their nightgowns, they had been having a slow night, and thought that the sudden availability of men in their neighbourhood might be a godsend for their sales revenue tonight. "I lifted the front of my nightgown," said Lily Quicke, "but no one was interested." "Not a single one. It was so strange, especially when they were already naked and ready for action." Her room-mate, Dina Dynamite, said she was disappointed too that no business resulted. "I lifted the back of my gown and twerked," but the men fled even further. "My booties are massive and perfect for a sizzling performance. I dont understand why it didn't attract anyone this time." Rejected four times A few of the men on the street had noticed Mattayod while inside the bathhouse. None said they had much of a conversation with him, but apparently, he had been rejected four times. "I think I was the first of the four," said a tall, bearded guy who prefers to go by the name Duchess-Mary-the-loose. "We started making out on the sofa in the TV room. I did my best with my legs high up in the air, but somehow I didn't feel a thing. "When I looked towards the site of the action, I noticed that he was too small for me," Duchess-Mary-the-loose recounted. The tryst was cut short and Mattayod was sent on his way. "Most of us are too small for her," said a hunk of a guy listening in. "She's not called 'the-loose' for nothing." According to the hunk who preferred not to give us his name, even if one were not too small, performance anxiety when confronted with the high standards demanded by Duchess Mary would likely cause shrinkage. Hilario Clinto claimed to be the third of the four guys who had rejected Mattayod. "He came on to me while we were at the bar," said Clinto, "and at first I was interested in going with him into a cabin. "Then I noticed that he had a MAGA tattoo." Clinto explained that it was a matter of profound principle that he avoids people with MAGA tattoos. "I honestly don't know what to do with the deplorables." Duchess Mary and Hilaro Clinto considered themselves extremely lucky that they were in the dark maze when the shooting started. "We could have been his intended targets," Clinto said. "When I heard the first pop of the gun, I thought it was incredible," Duchess Mary said. That needed some explanation. "Not many guys can fill me," she began. "But this one in the dark room filled me like a huge, tight cork in a bottle, and when he was pulling out, I thought the pop was from the suction effect." "It rarely happens nowadays. It's hard to find big men." Might it have been Clinto while they were in the dark maze? Clinto laughed. "I don't dare go near her, and I certainly do not want to be attached to her with suction, struggling to be released." Your reporter was unable to interview the second and fourth guys who rejected Mattayod. They were unable to speak as they were in bodybags. The police asked Rodney Grease, the owner of the Pleasure Hole, why they didn't forbid customers from having firearms with them. "I believe in the Second Amendment," he replied.