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Ok so I’ve been asked to report back on the one if I visit, however I thought I would report on what I did so far, and since I’m now resting after a long day sight seeing i have some time. This will include tourist activities so I’m sorry if that doesn’t interest you but the reports that included those helped me a lot as well. background on me. I am very late 30’s from North America. I have really only travelled in North America (Canada/USA/Mexico) before with Mexico being one of my favourite destinations (maybe now to be superseded by Thailand ) I arrived last Monday, I got to my hotel, Furama Silom. I choose this hotel based on many, many reviews I have read on this forum. I originally booked a different hotel closer to the bars but I realized it didn’t have a pool so I cancelled and book Directly with Furama for a great deal. So far there has been no issues with bringing back guests. I have the lounge access and I was even able to bring my tour guide to refresh after our tour and get some more information about the city before our time was up. Monday night I decided to go for a walk, I walked by the nine boys massage place and they asked if I wanted massage I said sure, so far this was the best room as it had a bed with a head cradle. I prefer this to just a pillow. The massage was not very good though. After we turned over he asked if I wanted happy for 1000 baht, my first night so I agreed, then he asked another 500 to take his clothes off.. I said sure but nothing happened besides hj. I showered alone at the end.. likely won’t revisit. Tuesday early morning I was browsing Grindr and I chatted with a guy who later told me he was a MB this didn’t bother me, I asked for rates and we agreed to massage+fun. He arrived. I had a decent massage and the fun was great. We had a bit of conversation, showered together then he left. I had a tour booked with Mac from siamroads. There has been some controversy on this forum regarding the owner, however Mac has had rave reviews so I didn’t let that stop me booking him. He was a bit difficult to get a hold of because his phone had broke. However we messaged by email. On the morning it downpoured and Mac got stuck but he messaged me to let me know he was running late, which was fine for me as I was still a bit tired, he arrived and we set out on the tour we planned. He showed me how to use skytrain, the boat transit, we visited the reclining Buddha, he has great knowledge on Thai culture and history and of the Buddhist religion. We visited south Bangkok to tour some local markets. He showed me the flower market. We also went for lunch and I ordered a lot, he felt bad at the cost but I told him not to worry it’s my first time and I want to experience some new things. It seems like he wants to minimize cost for his clients which is great. The food was delicious btw. On return he showed me the area around my hotel, where I could eat, and some things to see, then we chatted about when Bangkok become the capital etc. I felt like I learned a lot and would definitely recommend him to anyone in the future. i was tired this day so I went to bed early. next day I decided I wanted to goto thong plaza, as well as platinum mall and the markets down there. However first I thought I would try one of the massage shops at Saphan Kwai. I decided on 15m I messaged them on line and asked for more information on three guys, I chose one and was on my way, I decided to use taxi as I was still only comfortable going short distances with skytrain. I arrived and the guy I chose was waiting, his picture on line was likely from when he was much younger, I paid the fee he showed me to the massage room. Massage was not that great, not sure if I should expert more, the fun after was not great as well. He had difficulty getting up. Then when he did, it was over just as fast, I definitely did not enjoy this experience and after showing left unhappy, I likely will not return. I did some shopping at the two malls I mentioned, it started to rain so I got myself a manicure to wait it out then I headed back to my hotel. Furama is very close to arena massage now I was a bit nervous going here as I didn’t know what to expect with all the guys lining up looking at you expecting you to choose one leaving everyone else disappointed. However I did pick one. I did get upsold for the vip room, I was worried if this place was so old what would I get with a regular room. I liked that the tip is laid out in advance and it seems like everyone knows what they are there for. VIP room had queen sized mattress, water, private shower stall. I only chose 60 minute massage, I felt like the guy did a great job he hit everywhere I was expecting. Had fun after massage, was not rushed and we showered together. Unfortunately I forgot his name. I returned to my hotel to rest. next day I did safari world, I’ve never did anything like this before and just wanted to experience it. I really enjoyed it. I doubt the shows would be approved by peta but I had fun, I also did some of the extras like feeding tigers, hippos and took some pictures with the animals. I got back late I really didn’t want to leave my hotel room. So I hopped on Grindr and hired a guy off there, massage was more mechanical nothing really to it. However he was an expert at the fun part. After we showered together I went to bed exhausted from a long day. next day I did some more sight seeing. I went to centralworld, I walked around the city a bit to see some of the shops and sights. I took the skytrain back and since it was on the way I stopped at arena massage again. This time I decided to go for longer time, 90 minutes, the boy I was with last time was there again and seemed excited to see me, I felt bad cause I wanted to try something new. This was what I was afraid of with these lineups. I choose a guy but then quickly the papasan said nonono he can’t he has booking. I think he should have had him sit out the lineup at the beginning. So once again I choose. A different guy.this guy was very good massage was excellent, since I did 90 minutes I believe he had more time to spend massaging, he was much better than the first guy, we had a lot of fun, his name was Chai and I would recommend him. We talked a little bit after we showered and he told me I should try four hands next time and gave some explicit gestures on what we could do. The thought crossed my mind but on the advise from here have having first guy you pick find the second guy who they can work with.. what if you don’t like second guy.. then have to turn down. next day I hung around the pool a bit. I took water taxi/shuttle to icon Siam. Was only 10 baht. When I got back I decided I would venture out to the patpong night market area and maybe goto one of the bars, I had an idea on what to expect based on this forum but was still nervous. I decided to walk down as google maps said it was only 15 minutes I walked through the night market then the alley with some of the bars, the promoters are trying to get you inside. I did not find them to be aggressive or overbearing a simple no thanks, and they where onto the next guy, I walked the entire alley discovering this alley contained both gay and straight bars, I walked back down not sure where to go however fresh boys show was going to start in 15 minutes at 10:30 so I decided on that, this was Saturday night. They tried to seat me front row in the middle. I asked to sit in the back which wasn’t a problem. I arrived 10;15 pm there was about 7-8 other guys when I got there, however before the show started the room started to fill up. Mostly Chinese, Indian tourists. Only one other white guy besides myself, 2-3 more joins later in the evening, on stage was 15-20 guys wearing no shirts and white fresh boys shorts. When the light hits right you can see their white briefs underneath, they stood on stage changing position every few seconds. They were mostly younger with a couple older guys. When the show started most of the boys left to go outside, some went to the back to get ready to perform, while some sat down on the couch by the stage busy on their cellphones. The show wasn’t bad, they had a couple drag queens perform. One drag queen performed oral on two of the guys. They had a shower show where they soaped up each other and simulated penetration with actual oral. Then they had the cock show where the guys came out and banged their cocks against a pole after this they came into the audience, the mamasan told everyone “you can touch, you can suck” the guy who I was eying came over with his cock out, I played with it a little and tipped him 100 baht, once the guys saw I tipped they all started to come to me. Then I had ended tipping four of them. After the show the guys got back on stage. i asked the mamasan if the guy I was interested spoke any English. She said his English was very bad, so I asked if I could buy him a drink. She called out his number and he came out, had had been smiling at me all night, when he sat down he asked me the basic questions mentioned on this forum, where are you from? How long you visit? Etc. I cuddled with him a bit and asked him some questions like his position, has it been busy. Etc his English was more than adequate translator app not needed, I asked him his rate he told him 2500 I probably could have haggled. However i didn’t want to bother. I agreed. I asked him if he had to wait until after last show, cause he was part of the cock show, he said yes, however he misunderstood me cause a minute later he asked if I wanted to go now and I said yes. He called mamasan over to collect fees, while he went to get changed, he was from Cambodia. I said I wanted to take taxi as I didn’t feel like walking back. We got back to my hotel room, not an eye batted that I was brining someone back, he took a shower. We had some fun, a lot of fun. He was well equipped and was actually engaged and seemed to be enjoying himself as well, which is a big turn on for me, after we took a shower together, this is when I asked him if he had any friends in the club that he did threesomes with. He said he did. I told him if I was at the bar tomorrow maybe I would be interested, I laid the fee, with a little extra, then he left for the night. the next day, Sunday I was very tired from the night before as I woke up very early, I did some more sight seeing, I got back to my hotel room around 5 pm and was tired I ended up napping until 8. When I woke up I was deciding whether or not I wanted to goto the bars, I decided I should. I had a shower then headed out. This time I walked the alley again, then back out, to another small dead end alley with banana room. I didn’t go in looked interesting. I walked bit further around the block and I found moonlight and then I noticed the other bars under fresh boys. Goodboys. The promoters of these bars seemed less interested in calling you in. When I was in the alley with moonlight no one called over to me, I was wearing black shorts and a black tshirt maybe I wasn’t dressed well enough? Same for dream boys not a single promoter asked me to come inside, I was getting warm and decided to go into a bar to cooldown from the heat. I thought I saw a bar where the show started at 9:45 but I couldn’t find that board tonight, maybe only Saturday? So I ended up going to hot male. This place felt smaller than fresh boys. Again there was mostly only Asian tourists and a few Indian tourists as well, the boys where all on stage however this time they just stood there, no movement to change position. They smiled at you, grabbed their crotches, they were wearing white tank tops with red long pants, some shirtless. A couple guys interested me,but they didn’t seem interested in me, so why bother? Another white guy came in. He bought a couple bottles they seemed to know him there. 5-8 of the guys went to join him and enjoy drinks. I felt like the room was too brightly lit. I preferred the dark seats of fresh boys. the show started, it consisted of some strip dancing, cock shows, then big cock show, one guy had a very large cock and he stayed hard without using their makeshift cock rings, they did come out with weird costumes for this, I wasn’t interested in anyone so when they came around for tips I just said no thanks, the show ended I paid my tab and left, then I decided to head over to fresh boys. at fresh boys they where just finishing the show with the cock parade where they use their cocks to hit the pole. I sat down. After the guy from the night before saw me he waved to me and smiled, then after he out his shirts back on for the lineup he came over to me to say hi, I tipped him 100 and he rejoined the lineup. His buddy was standing next to him in the lineup and pointing to the both of them trying to get me to pick both, I was unsure, his buddy was trying very hard, even playing with the guys cock through his shorts on stage. It was getting late and I didn’t really want to make the guy I was interested wait longer so I asked one of the waiters to have him come sit with me and I will buy drink, I asked is he your friend who does threesome he said yes but he told me another number who fucks better. I said ok let’s see. The other one came around on stage however I wasn’t interested in him even tho he definitely was trying to attract my attention, I told my guy I’m not really interested. He asked who I liked, I told him I liked him the best, he was happy and asked if I was gonna take him tonight, I said yes. I didn’t want to put the guys on stage through anymore torture so I asked to pay bill while he changed. we took Tuktuk back to hotel, I had great time he was even better second time, usually I find that’s not the case, he really worked hard to ensure I was satisfied. We later in bed after finishing and talked a bit, I asked him maybe you have verse guy I can watch first then we can all play. He said he did have friend even better he thinks I will like. I said maybe next time I go I can see. He told me about some sights I should visit. I know this is transactional but I felt like he actually was happy to be with me and this matters the most to me. i will definitely off him again.. maybe with a friend… who knows. Tonight I will try to find the one bar and see how that is. I may end up going to good boys tonight as well. Depending oh one thing I should mention at fresh boys and hotmale both give you back 50 baht in your change as coins, likely so you will leave that as a tip, which they got me and I did. I will add to this post tomorrow.

nobody want's to get rid of technological advances. For sure they will stay with us. But overdoing it's usage may kill our fun and strip us from our privacy. Apps freed us from boring bars and pushy mamasans but that is advantage only for those who consider bars boring and eschew human interaction. Sitting in hotel room perusing Grindr is enormous fun, I'm sure. But does it beat feeling boy sitting beside you ? Line menu of available masseurs is even greater but what if you try to book your favorite and first three are not available for this reason or that ? Is boy checking his Facebook while you fuck or kiss him such desired technological advance ?

I typed this out and accidentally clicked the back button losing it all, then I typed this out in notepad to paste here. When I came back it said “previous comment restored” it was all back! Great feature. But I had already restored the below Monday I woke up bit later which was nice, I was on Grindr and talked to another tourist who was staying in my hotel, we hooked up for a quick session. After I took some of my shirts to get laundered. I did not bring enough shirts. It is very hot so I end up sweating and changing a couple times per day. So I recommend bring extra! I then decided to do the Hop on and off tourist boat, it was only 150 baht, Mac did show me how to use the regular boats but I liked the convenience of this predetermined route, I visited icon Siam again, where I went to the atm at a bank on the five floor to get some more cash. I then took the cash inside to have the 1000 baht notes broken down into smaller bills, I did this before and is much easier than breaking these large bills at places like 7-11. I visited wang lang market which I thought was a great inexpensive market. I bought a few clothing items. They also have second hand items if someone is truly looking for a bargain. I visited Chinatown, the amount of shops can be overwhelming but it was a fun walk. I also visited khaoson road, the amount of tailors approaching you for custom suites, shirts is astounding. I was asked more for a suit than a massage :p. I returned to my hotel around 6:30, tourist from Grindr messaged me asking if I wanted another quick session, I said sure and had some quick fun. I showered and relaxed in my room, it started to rain and I was debating wether or not I wanted to even go out in this, around 9:30 the rain died down to a drizzle and I decided I would venture out. I did not want to walk in this rain so I decided to get a grab car. While riding I was thinking about buying umbrella, I thought during the rainy season it might be wise for the drivers to carry some to sell to tourists they could make some extra money as I’m sure we would pay a premium. I walked through patpong market looking to see if anyone selling umbrella but wasn’t bothered if they didn’t. I made my way to the one bar, with the help from my previous post. I arrived just before 10. The promoter asked me to come in I said sure. It was a very small bar. They sat me in the middle directly in front of the stage. If I reached out with my arm I could touch the guys on stage. That’s how close it is. I thought there was 10-12 customers when I entered with two guys posing on stage. I realized after short time there was actually only 5 of us customers the rest were bar boys. The guys asked next to me, who worked there, was very pushy. Kept asking who I liked, this one younger, you like him, I kept stating I’m just looking for now, two different guys now went on stage and posed, they did not seem interested. This place was brightly lit, very small. I was not comfortable so I decided to leave around 10:15. The guys are more muscular and a bit older than the other bars I’ve attended. There was definitely a couple guys I was attracted to, but as I said the atmosphere ruined it for me. The entry fee was 500 baht, which you pay before entering, and includes one drink. Next I thought about going back to fresh boys but I wanted to try something new, so I went downstairs to good boys. This time the promoter outside asked me if I wanted to come inside, show is on. I said sure. He opened door and mamasan greeted me and took me to a table one row from the back. This place is bigger. Not as brightly lit and was packed with customers when I got there, two tables even had guys with bottles and multiple bar boys. The show was you going on and there was a drag performance. After a couple of the boys did a strip tease, followed by a light bdsm performance where two boys danced in their underwear with their hard cocks showing, after which they removed. One boy was hitting the other with a pool noodle. Another drag queen performance. I myself enjoy drag performances and these ladies definitely lip synced well. One of the mamasans came around to me, there was three of them, she asked if I liked anybody I said I am still looking she said okay let me know if you like anybody, after show they will be on stage and you can see, she told me they had boys from multiple countries not just Thai. I felt like she wanted me to:have good time and wasn’t just pressuring me to off one. Next up was big cock show, they showed off on stage then after came into audience to show off their goods. One cute boy approached me and I tipped 100 then another, and another, I wasn’t really interested in any others I saw one of the mamasans saw me tipping and told a couple of the other boys to come see me, I tipped one more then I politely said no thanks when others came to me. They didn’t seem offended and simply moved onto other customers. A simple no thanks has worked at all the bars I’ve attended so far. After the boys went on stage. They all are wearing tight white briefs. I liked a few, the boys here feel a bit more slender and slot appear to be more feminine in their mannerisms. I was looking for a top and was a bit worried. Mamasan came around again and said which boy you like, I asked her for some info on number 16. She told me he do everything, top, bottom, you will like. I wasn’t confident in her answers and said thank you and decided to watch some more. Here it felt like the boys were not interested in me, only one or two guys looked back at me and smiled. The rest seemed disinterested overall. This is a turn off for me. If they are not interested in stage when trying to present themselves, how will they react back in my hotel room? I decided to leave for the night, I called mamasan over asked for bill. She said oh no you don’t like anyone, I explained there was one boy I liked but he was busy with another customer who bought a bottle. She said oh you show me. I showed her she said oh yea. She said I see what you like. I told her I might come back tomorrow, she asked me to stay for the next show but I declined, she told me to come and see her again tomorrow, I paid, tipped her and left. I liked good boys. Staff was friendly, atmosphere was nice, seats are dimly lit. Just wish the boys seemed a bit more interested, I will definitely return, maybe the boy I like will be available next time. I was thinking on heading back to my hotel as it was just about midnight. I walked a little further and fresh boys promoter saw me and said come inside show is on, o thought for a second but said sure. I went inside and it was about 3/4 full of people. Drink is 400. The boy I had offed previously was on stage in the show and he greeted me. I sat down and ordered drink and watched the end of the show. After the show he came over and greeted me. I tipped him 100 we chatted for moment, I asked him if anyone new was here who was verse that he could work with. He gave me two numbers. Then the papasan told him to rejoin a couple male/female who I guess bought him a drink before the show. So he left to join them. I was disappointed maybe they were gonna take him tonight. I looked on stage and a few of the guys where thrusting their hips at me, I guess he told some of these guys what I like, they didn’t really interest me. One guy was older and he kept trying to get me to buy him drink,I’m just was not interested. The couple who had my guy was paying their bill. I did not see him get dressed so after they left he came back to rejoin me. Papasan asked if I wanted to buy him drink, I said sure. So I talked to him about the guy he mentioned. We watched for him to come to the side of our stage. He was a little Twinkier than I like but I asked papasan for him to buy drink so we could talk. I picked him between the two numbers my guy gave because my guy told me his English was better. He joined me and asked me usually questions “where you from” “ how long you here” My guy said he was in next show he had to get ready I said sure, I talked to the new guy, I asked him position he said everything, he seemed nervous, he wasn’t here the night before. I told him I wanted to see my guy fuck him, then him do me, he said he was fine with that, I asked rate. He asked me how much I paid my guy I told him as I was fine with it and he said ok. So I decided to off them both. He went to go get changed I paid the bill. Then when he came back we cuddled while we watched the show, my guy was in show with the drag queen with simulated sex acts, I haven’t seen this before since both nights previously I left the bar with him before he performed this act. We got back to my hotel room, all showered. Nice thing about this room is the shower is big enough for all of us with a rainfall shower head, new guy was finishing up in shower while my guy and I discussed my days activities where I went. We had slot of fun with the three of us. Unfortunately my guy was too big for the new guy to take, he tried but I didn’t want to ruin the mood by having him continue, I was a bit disappointed but we all still had fun. In the future Im not sure how I would overcome this to ensure new guy would be able to fully perform. We all showered again I tipped them both and thanked them. Ordered some food and off to bed I went. At fresh boys after I picked two other guys trying to get us to do three, even one of the waiters showed me his number. I definitely could not do three haha. Are the waiters off able? I thought they just wore numbers to make it easier to know who helped you. Fresh boys definitely has some cute waiters. Should I try any other bars tonight? I’m thinking of heading to skywalk this afternoon then maybe to arena after.

For some reason this reminded me of an embarrassing moment I once had in Tawan bar. When I was leaving the bar and already outside, one of the staff asked me if there was no boy inside I liked. I described one boy that I might be interested in, and this staffmember told me he knew who I was talking about and convinced me to go back inside so he could "match" me to him. I sat down, and moments later one of the Tawan boys showed up. But... This was not the boy I was talking about at all. It was hard to find an exit out of this situation without being painful or awkward for me or the boy...

- Ouch! Take your ring off - it's hurting me! - That's not my ring. That's my watch!

Review of Maxwell from other board: “ I visited this place on a Monday evening. By about 8.00 p.m., there were about 50 guests. I had a good time there, and the steam room was initially very tame, until suddenly someone took the "matters" in hand and before you know it, the steam room was very active indeed! Clusters of people were helping each other out, all hands (and mouth) on "deck". By the way, the food was good too. ” Looks like Maxwell onsen is most popular at the time being for gay cruising onsen

Oh gosh I rarely disagree with Vinapu and Omega, but hey guys, technology can be our friend! For one, the dating apps freed us from the boring bars and pushy mamasans, oh wow that was a great technological advance. The Line menu of available masseurs was a massive improvement over the old way of "hoping for the best" when going to a massage shop. Whether MFJ's idea of attaching QR codes instead of numbers would work is an open question, but at least you could learn something about the boy by getting some immediate feedback ("name", age, T/B, language proficiencies, size? ...) Technology has made Lazada possible, Bolt possible, ghost kitchen meal delivery possible... Someone clever will surely come up with a better way to breathe new life into the dying go-go bars. If not, the next generation (or current generation!) will put a nail in their coffin for sure. We, the retired and near-retired expats residents/visitors, do not have the financial profile nor the actuarial longevity that the industry needs to thrive.

Why resort to laser pointers, or causing embarrassment to customers, as @emiel1981 experienced? What's wrong with a low-tech solution like wearing numbers? Why dispense with it?

The simple answer: I don't know anymore than you might. I am far removed from being a "young Asian visitor" (how I wish 🤪 I'm one). Your observation of the crowd in BoyzBoyzBoyz is pertinent, and seems to indicate a desire for fun and entertainment (true of all young people anywhere, I'd imagine) - neither of which concept, as you yourself have pointed out, has yet crossed the minds of Jomtien bar owners. There is likely to be another dimension: the aesthetic. What is aesthetically pleasing to Western eyes may not be the same to other cultures' eyes. And other dimensions, such as music. Have you noticed that on Walking Street of Pattaya, the bars catering to the Indian visitor almost always play Indian pop? If, as a thought experiment, the Jomtien bars changed to play music like this: I think we can expect lots of farangs complaining and not returning despite the music (objectively speaking) being perfectly listenable and suitable for a cafe or bar. For 2 likely reasons: the songs are not situated within their cultural context - they don't have memory associations of earlier times when the songs meant something to them emotionally; also playing songs of a different culture is seen as signalling valency or bias for that culture, counter to the cutlure that one identifies with. That said... But why should Asian culture or Asian languages be alien to people of whiter skin? Can we imagine a day when Chinese is the most common second language for people around the world, such that when people of two different countries meet (e.g. Uzbekistan and Madagascar) they automatically reach for Chinese to cross-communicate? Is it unimaginable that one day, White people sitting in bars would find music like above perfectly normal? Listen to how fluent this guy is:

From The Nation One of the rarest and strangest-looking plants in Thailand is about to poke its head above the soil for its annual appearance in a remote forest on the eastern border with Myanmar. The Thismia thaithongiana was discovered growing on the slopes of Doi Hua Mot, Umphang Wildlife Sanctuary, Tak Province in 2018. Tourists and botanists are now scouring the sanctuary’s forest floor to catch sight of this bizarre owl-shaped plant, which glows green and goes by the Thai name of Phisawong Thaithong or Phisawong Owl’s Eye. Continues with photos https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/life/travel/40041991

In other words we are too damn old and won't be around all that much longer. Do you prefer that?

I'm of opinion that least thing we need in bars is more technology unless one likes to see his name splashed in news, social media and at immigration counters at both ends. Perusing You Tube over years I see familiar faces from time to time and I'm not sure those in question would be happy to be seen, say walking through Patpong , by their bosses , wives or boyfriends.. Even less so in bar pointing green laser at barely dressed guy or girl

When country is on the way to becoming China's colony one is not surprised Chinese methods are being employed

I love @macaroni21 blog. So witty and wise insights. We should have a separate topic in forum for all of us to comment on his posts!

Great report. You doing very well for a newbie. Glad to hear Arena did not disappoint you, they rarely do, if at all. Satisfaction guaranteed there if you ask me. Sorry to hear about Tawan guys chasing you out by being pushy. Sadly , it looks it's how they chose to operate under new management and you not only one being chased away by their antics. It used to be friendliest bar by far. You mentioned you think barkers (promoters) at Moonlight overlooked you because way you were dressed . Highly unlikely though, nothing wrong with black t-shirt and shorts. Give a chance to Banana Club in soi 4 as well as Jupiter deeper in in the same soi. Don't forget about Dreamboys on the 2nd floor opposite of HotMale and Moonlight which is favorite bar of undersigned, he, he. Mahanakhon skywalk is the must, mornings are usually less crowded. While there make sure to check toilet on the same floor elevators down are - quite possible best toilet view in the entire world ! As per losing what you typed, those accidents happen. Try to write report somewhere and only then copy and paste there. You may wish to make more posts but shorter ( say one or two days goings per post ). Make sure you have fun day and night, there's no trip to Thailand like first one

It is good manners to buy a drink for him, even if you choose not to pursue interest. He is a worker; time not on the podium is time and possibly money, lost. It is a rather different matter if a pushy mamasam imposes a guy on you. Or two, as once happened to me in Bangkok. However, on that occasion I was such a softie that I did give the guys tips, surmising that the mamasan may have been concerned that they weren't very popular and needed a helping hand. However, being a softie costs so beware! It's really a case of "up to you."

This is my first time to Bangkok and Thailand in general. I have read a lot on this forum and got some great advice from posters. I have been here for a week now did a tour with Mac from siamroads which was great. I just worked up the courage to try some of the Bars. I went to Fresh Boys on Saturday night. I stayed and watched the show I bought one of the guys who caught my eye a drink then ended up offing him which was a great experience. the next night I went to Hot Male watched the show however no one really interested me, I felt the place was much smaller than fresh boys and I didn’t like how bright it was. So I ended up back at fresh boys where the show just ended and I saw boy from night before. He came to say hi than he joined the lineup on stage. I ended up buying him drink. I guess the boys talk cause a couple of his friends on stage was trying to get me to off them as well for threesome, however I ended up just offing original boy who was fun again. onto my question when you buy a drink for one of the boys to sit with you, how long do they usually stay? If you are not interesting in offing how do you politely say thanks for sitting with me but ask them to leave? I think I would ask more boys to sit with me as I would enjoy the company but some of these boys I have no interest in offing. also thanks to to the great advice here I was able to negotiate directly my first time, I am still bit nervous at the bars would like to try some others such as Goodboys I tried looking for The One but could not find it. Thanks for any advice.

With targets this easy, maybe we won't have to worry about pickpockets in the future? Why bother pickpocketing when you can just ask and have people show you their money?

The loss of waiters slows down the serving of drinks and collection of bin tabs. Whereas the number of waiters is limited to perhaps 6-8, there can be three dozen or more boys on stage. Lose 10 or so of them to offs doesn't prevent putting on a show. Weekends are the busiest periods so management wants to discourage customers from offing waiters. They've been known to refuse waiter offs if their absence would impinge on keeping things running smoothly. If you want to spend time with a waiter, you can also arrange to meet him off the clock (post work or before work).

I went to the cinema to meet up with my super-sucker friend. I looked around but my heart sank when I realised he hadn't turned up. Then suddenly a guy standing beside me grabbed my hand. It was him! We quickly moved to the stalls and he soon had my cock in his mouth. He wasn't interested in me touching him; he just wanted to work on me. Ok by me. I warned him when I was about to cum but he just kept at it, eventually letting me cum in his mouth. He told me about a sauna not far from the cinema so we left together and walked over to have a look. We didn't go inside but have arranged to meet there this Friday night. Now, I'm not sure if I'll go through with it because he told me it's very popular with old guys (he prefers old men, which is why he approached me in the cinema). I like them younger so if I do decide to go, I'll just get a blow job from him then leave him to it.

I'm in Tokyo at the moment. I visited a newly-opened shopping centre in Harajuku and came across (pun intended) Tenga's latest and greatest store. (Tenga is a wanking toy.) That poor guy can't be getting much sex from his girlfriend. She was helping him choose! And imagine wearing that t-shirt, advertising to the world that you're a wanker! Only in Japan.

Your trip report is such a joy to read @sudoxi! Can't help but wax nostalgic about my first time exploring the boy bar scene many moons ago.

or someone else's hand who knows how to make you a slow erotic edging handjob 🤪

oopsy, my intention was never to lift the veil on the privacy of our guys. The use of a technological solution was to be internal to the said bar/club where only you the customer would see your green laser pen (GLP) ID number and the manager/papasan/mammasan would also see the GLP ID number and perhaps the desired guy - but probably not as they are usually accessary free and we would not want them to be distracted from their sexy catwalk and/or show performance. and @omega this solution is even better than the one that I proposed. Almost every time that I have proposed the use of QR codes - there has been forum member pushback - but yet we accept the age old "number tag" system ?? I see that nowadays in our world of AI that already Apple and Samsung are introducing AI rings (NO - not cock rings - yet 🤪) Maybe this would be a better solution than my proposed QR code idea and also to the current "number tag" system ? Thanks @Marc308 for your support on my idea. The intention of my idea was to empower us who are SHY here in this forum. Many times I have accompanied our less SHY and famous forum members to the bar and they have no problems about getting what they want quickly and even sometimes at the protest of the obnoxious mamasans. Unfortunately, I am SHY and I just cannot grow a pair of balls like these other forum members and I proposed this technology solution to help: find a way to overcome my shyness by empowering me with a technology solution, a potential way to bypass and/or minimize the interaction of the obnoxious mamasans, get me closer to the guys that I want so that I can do what humans do best - let us interact with each other in a less stress free way without the involvement of unnecessary intermediaries. I want to sit in the exciting gogo bar/club BUT I want to be left alone to my own devices (pun intended) so that I can use technology to help my SHY personality to get what I want without the intervention of the obnoxious or pushy (Lurch from Moonlight comes to mind) mamasan. Why should we allow the gogo bar/club scene be a stressful situation ?

Indeed. I have to say that I was surprised by the scale of corruption in Cambodia, led by the ruling political elite. I shouldn't be surprised, really, as an ex Khmer Rouge apparatchik, quickly changing shirts, ruled as PM for over 30 years, and nominated his son to succeed, none of this nonsense about elections! Watch out for Barron Trump....

Fully agree... tech has it's uses. In boy bars isn't one. Though the real technological solution would be to have a website only served by the Bars WiFi, (so that Farang must visit bar to see who is on rotation) that displays profiles of all the boys on show, linked to their number tag, and when you want to call boy over, you do it on the website and boy's drink is automatically ordered at the same time. That's how I would do it

Boys don’t make any money from bottles, only when they get an individual drink.

I wonder this too. At fresh boys when they bring boy drink they bring slip for boy to keep, I guess to redeem his commission, I haven’t seen this with bottles, maybe it’s the hop that if the guy is spending big on bottle he is more likely to off one? I have seen with the bottles the mamasan/papasan keeps making drinks from the bottles for the boys and the customers I guess to finish it off faster, when I was at good boys I was disappointed cause the one boy I liked was with a guy who bought a bottle but it didn’t look like the transaction was gonna go farther than a drink.

Nine-Teen is definitely a mixed bag and I have had more bad experiences there than good. Check out Relax a few doors down.

This true. I was in Tawan(The One) in last year and I had a boy from Myanmar sit with me almost every time I was there and I always buy him a drink. But one time he said it's better to give him direct as a tip and no need to buy him boy drink since they are not getting much from the bar for the drinks bought for them. I was there by April when the bar is full during shows but very less offs happening.

No. 'I shy'. One of the shop assistants was a young girl.

From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon Jomtien Complex’s 30 gay bars have adopted huge wings in the latest logo which also sees prominence given to the title Walking Street. The latter name, a conscious imitation of nearby Pattaya’s historic icon of night entertainment, has been used previously in the Complex but not dominantly. The feathers, which represent power, are a new reflection of the use of monsters in gay iconography via movies going back to Frankenstein and Freddy Krueger. More recently, the 2014 supernatural horror movie The Babadook was listed as a LGBT film by Netflix. But the roots go back to ancient Greek mythology. The Furies were winged-creatures which preyed on the living and the Greek poet Sappho wrote that the erotic god Eros could fly. Jomtien’s Walking Street is rather more conservative than Pattaya’s heterosexual version, even though the latter has been tamed down in recent years. Jomtien does not offer gogo bars and there are no obvious retail outlets selling weed. Apart from the bars, there are several restaurants, massage parlors, small hotels and venues offering professional drag cabaret shows. Weekly trivia quizzes, eyes-down bingo and regular birthday celebrations are also on offer. Although the number of gay bars has declined internationally, thanks largely to the advent of the universal internet, Pattaya and Jomtien have maintained a fairly large structured scene. Gay businesses still rely on a western clientele, mostly retired, which prefers a traditional and familiar setting based on alcohol, snacks and companionship. “There are millions of Chinese and Indians visiting Pattaya and Jomtien, but we don’t see them here,” according to motorbike taximan Pom who has been based at the Complex for 20 years. https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/jomtiens-gay-venue-updates-its-marketing-image-474045

The Pattaya Mail newspaper posted an article about the new Jomtien Supertown Complex marquee. https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/jomtiens-gay-venue-updates-its-marketing-image-474045?fbclid=IwY2xjawFnR59leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHf4RJ8gI5OGVfcHkqaAenOYjKrjnnPVJQ6IQDnn3-HiOG3W6qw9p0Lh4zQ_aem_0RxJYvIVHk-EIpXz8F-rsw#m1os3cu2wqgdsnjzpq I found the below commentary from the above article interesting: Although the number of gay bars has declined internationally, thanks largely to the advent of the universal internet, Pattaya and Jomtien have maintained a fairly large structured scene. Gay businesses still rely on a western clientele, mostly retired, which prefers a traditional and familiar setting based on alcohol, snacks and companionship. “There are millions of Chinese and Indians visiting Pattaya and Jomtien, but we don’t see them here,” according to motorbike taximan Pom who has been based at the Complex for 20 years.

Yeah. Will depend mostly on the duration. I know some customers who will stay cuddled up with their chosen guy for the entire night without intention to off. I'm hoping the boy will receive a tip commensurate to that. In my case, doing the vibe check, due diligence, expectation setting etc. doesn't take so much time. So if they failed the vibe check within the first 10 minutes, I immediately send them back to rotation with a 100 baht note. If I may add a question - what's the expectation when you call a guy from stage to join you? Should you buy him drink immediately or is it alright to chat for a few minutes to decide if you want him to stay for drinks?

Nook from Double Shot opened a bar in the same soi as Dick's Cafe in Jomtien Complex. You will find some of the previous staff from Double Shot there and Nook may know where the other Cambodian boys are working or if they went home. https://jomtiencomplex.com/gay-bar/nook-n-k/

those must own extensive stamp collections one presumes

would be nice if you report here your findings about the bar and boys

Or you could take a Grab..... Just kidding...I couldn't resist 😄

Wow reader. I think you should monetize your experience and start one of those reviews line lol. We all would be happy to chip in 500 baht 🤣

police should upload those video clips here for consultation by people in the know

Excellent post, I am now into my 70s and this mirrors my own experience back in the UK. Pattaya was my liberation, with the slow release of the closet door as my confidence grew. Even so the gay side to my nature is still only known to a few back in the UK. But back to the topic, I split my time in Pattaya between 'straight' boys and gays, and usually its a top v bottom distinction as well. Some of the tops arrive at my room already, as they strip off, visibly 'ready, willing and able' to perform the task in hand. Many are happy to kiss, suck, and, in rare instances, bottom as well. Some need to watch (or pretend to need to watch) hetro porn on their phone as they fuck you, some do not. Some perform with obvious enthusiasm and seem to be enjoying what they do. Some straight guys will be grabbing a towel and heading off to the shower seconds after they have cum and disengaged, while others will linger, cuddle, and try and get you off if you haven't done already. There are so many different scenarios depending on the individual boy. But as a consequence, some are invited back time after time, and holiday after holiday, while others are thanked, paid and forgotten. So I don't think there is a simple answer to the actual sexuality or bi-sexuality of Pattaya's straight boys, they each fit within a broad spectrum (as do we all as customers I suspect). My preference is for those that at least appear to enjoy their 'work'.

yes you can like Obama used to say

Some of the guys are so good looking! Can I just skip massage and spend entire one hour holding hands and admiring? Hehe

One Spa is offering new promotion: 5 VIP room sessions (one hour each) for 1,989 baht (usually 2,750). 3 standard room (one hour sessions) 1,089 baht (usually 1,350).

so did your wallet feel any lighter after he blessed it 🧐

The crowd on the days I went was predominantly youngish Asians, but there were quite a few Europeans there too. There were some athletic and muscular physiques, but also lots of twinky types and guys of all shapes and sizes. But definitely there was a far greater crowd at the weekend rather than during weekdays.

Maybe I'm the exception, but I find these cat fights spoil my enjoyment of the forum. I'd rather not put people on ignore when it is really the instigators who should put the one(s) who annoy them on ignore. My ignore list is not empty. If someone annoys you, join me and put them on ignore instead of sharing these things with all of the rest of us. it also helps your blood pressure when you never hear from the annoyer ever again. My plea is for civility, not comity.

@floridarob have I told you lately how much I hate you? LMAO! YES, its written on my forehead in English, but all the guys in sdq speak Spanish so they don't understand what it means. Lol! @Mavica please dont laugh at @floridarob. We dont want to encourage his humor in these threads. Not encouraging him is actually in the bylaws. Many who's encouraged him in the past have been banned from the group and never heard from again. LMAO! Hope you're having a great start to 2024, fellas!

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