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Ok so I’ve been asked to report back on the one if I visit, however I thought I would report on what I did so far, and since I’m now resting after a long day sight seeing i have some time. This will include tourist activities so I’m sorry if that doesn’t interest you but the reports that included those helped me a lot as well. background on me. I am very late 30’s from North America. I have really only travelled in North America (Canada/USA/Mexico) before with Mexico being one of my favourite destinations (maybe now to be superseded by Thailand ) I arrived last Monday, I got to my hotel, Furama Silom. I choose this hotel based on many, many reviews I have read on this forum. I originally booked a different hotel closer to the bars but I realized it didn’t have a pool so I cancelled and book Directly with Furama for a great deal. So far there has been no issues with bringing back guests. I have the lounge access and I was even able to bring my tour guide to refresh after our tour and get some more information about the city before our time was up. Monday night I decided to go for a walk, I walked by the nine boys massage place and they asked if I wanted massage I said sure, so far this was the best room as it had a bed with a head cradle. I prefer this to just a pillow. The massage was not very good though. After we turned over he asked if I wanted happy for 1000 baht, my first night so I agreed, then he asked another 500 to take his clothes off.. I said sure but nothing happened besides hj. I showered alone at the end.. likely won’t revisit. Tuesday early morning I was browsing Grindr and I chatted with a guy who later told me he was a MB this didn’t bother me, I asked for rates and we agreed to massage+fun. He arrived. I had a decent massage and the fun was great. We had a bit of conversation, showered together then he left. I had a tour booked with Mac from siamroads. There has been some controversy on this forum regarding the owner, however Mac has had rave reviews so I didn’t let that stop me booking him. He was a bit difficult to get a hold of because his phone had broke. However we messaged by email. On the morning it downpoured and Mac got stuck but he messaged me to let me know he was running late, which was fine for me as I was still a bit tired, he arrived and we set out on the tour we planned. He showed me how to use skytrain, the boat transit, we visited the reclining Buddha, he has great knowledge on Thai culture and history and of the Buddhist religion. We visited south Bangkok to tour some local markets. He showed me the flower market. We also went for lunch and I ordered a lot, he felt bad at the cost but I told him not to worry it’s my first time and I want to experience some new things. It seems like he wants to minimize cost for his clients which is great. The food was delicious btw. On return he showed me the area around my hotel, where I could eat, and some things to see, then we chatted about when Bangkok become the capital etc. I felt like I learned a lot and would definitely recommend him to anyone in the future. i was tired this day so I went to bed early. next day I decided I wanted to goto thong plaza, as well as platinum mall and the markets down there. However first I thought I would try one of the massage shops at Saphan Kwai. I decided on 15m I messaged them on line and asked for more information on three guys, I chose one and was on my way, I decided to use taxi as I was still only comfortable going short distances with skytrain. I arrived and the guy I chose was waiting, his picture on line was likely from when he was much younger, I paid the fee he showed me to the massage room. Massage was not that great, not sure if I should expert more, the fun after was not great as well. He had difficulty getting up. Then when he did, it was over just as fast, I definitely did not enjoy this experience and after showing left unhappy, I likely will not return. I did some shopping at the two malls I mentioned, it started to rain so I got myself a manicure to wait it out then I headed back to my hotel. Furama is very close to arena massage now I was a bit nervous going here as I didn’t know what to expect with all the guys lining up looking at you expecting you to choose one leaving everyone else disappointed. However I did pick one. I did get upsold for the vip room, I was worried if this place was so old what would I get with a regular room. I liked that the tip is laid out in advance and it seems like everyone knows what they are there for. VIP room had queen sized mattress, water, private shower stall. I only chose 60 minute massage, I felt like the guy did a great job he hit everywhere I was expecting. Had fun after massage, was not rushed and we showered together. Unfortunately I forgot his name. I returned to my hotel to rest. next day I did safari world, I’ve never did anything like this before and just wanted to experience it. I really enjoyed it. I doubt the shows would be approved by peta but I had fun, I also did some of the extras like feeding tigers, hippos and took some pictures with the animals. I got back late I really didn’t want to leave my hotel room. So I hopped on Grindr and hired a guy off there, massage was more mechanical nothing really to it. However he was an expert at the fun part. After we showered together I went to bed exhausted from a long day. next day I did some more sight seeing. I went to centralworld, I walked around the city a bit to see some of the shops and sights. I took the skytrain back and since it was on the way I stopped at arena massage again. This time I decided to go for longer time, 90 minutes, the boy I was with last time was there again and seemed excited to see me, I felt bad cause I wanted to try something new. This was what I was afraid of with these lineups. I choose a guy but then quickly the papasan said nonono he can’t he has booking. I think he should have had him sit out the lineup at the beginning. So once again I choose. A different guy.this guy was very good massage was excellent, since I did 90 minutes I believe he had more time to spend massaging, he was much better than the first guy, we had a lot of fun, his name was Chai and I would recommend him. We talked a little bit after we showered and he told me I should try four hands next time and gave some explicit gestures on what we could do. The thought crossed my mind but on the advise from here have having first guy you pick find the second guy who they can work with.. what if you don’t like second guy.. then have to turn down. next day I hung around the pool a bit. I took water taxi/shuttle to icon Siam. Was only 10 baht. When I got back I decided I would venture out to the patpong night market area and maybe goto one of the bars, I had an idea on what to expect based on this forum but was still nervous. I decided to walk down as google maps said it was only 15 minutes I walked through the night market then the alley with some of the bars, the promoters are trying to get you inside. I did not find them to be aggressive or overbearing a simple no thanks, and they where onto the next guy, I walked the entire alley discovering this alley contained both gay and straight bars, I walked back down not sure where to go however fresh boys show was going to start in 15 minutes at 10:30 so I decided on that, this was Saturday night. They tried to seat me front row in the middle. I asked to sit in the back which wasn’t a problem. I arrived 10;15 pm there was about 7-8 other guys when I got there, however before the show started the room started to fill up. Mostly Chinese, Indian tourists. Only one other white guy besides myself, 2-3 more joins later in the evening, on stage was 15-20 guys wearing no shirts and white fresh boys shorts. When the light hits right you can see their white briefs underneath, they stood on stage changing position every few seconds. They were mostly younger with a couple older guys. When the show started most of the boys left to go outside, some went to the back to get ready to perform, while some sat down on the couch by the stage busy on their cellphones. The show wasn’t bad, they had a couple drag queens perform. One drag queen performed oral on two of the guys. They had a shower show where they soaped up each other and simulated penetration with actual oral. Then they had the cock show where the guys came out and banged their cocks against a pole after this they came into the audience, the mamasan told everyone “you can touch, you can suck” the guy who I was eying came over with his cock out, I played with it a little and tipped him 100 baht, once the guys saw I tipped they all started to come to me. Then I had ended tipping four of them. After the show the guys got back on stage. i asked the mamasan if the guy I was interested spoke any English. She said his English was very bad, so I asked if I could buy him a drink. She called out his number and he came out, had had been smiling at me all night, when he sat down he asked me the basic questions mentioned on this forum, where are you from? How long you visit? Etc. I cuddled with him a bit and asked him some questions like his position, has it been busy. Etc his English was more than adequate translator app not needed, I asked him his rate he told him 2500 I probably could have haggled. However i didn’t want to bother. I agreed. I asked him if he had to wait until after last show, cause he was part of the cock show, he said yes, however he misunderstood me cause a minute later he asked if I wanted to go now and I said yes. He called mamasan over to collect fees, while he went to get changed, he was from Cambodia. I said I wanted to take taxi as I didn’t feel like walking back. We got back to my hotel room, not an eye batted that I was brining someone back, he took a shower. We had some fun, a lot of fun. He was well equipped and was actually engaged and seemed to be enjoying himself as well, which is a big turn on for me, after we took a shower together, this is when I asked him if he had any friends in the club that he did threesomes with. He said he did. I told him if I was at the bar tomorrow maybe I would be interested, I laid the fee, with a little extra, then he left for the night. the next day, Sunday I was very tired from the night before as I woke up very early, I did some more sight seeing, I got back to my hotel room around 5 pm and was tired I ended up napping until 8. When I woke up I was deciding whether or not I wanted to goto the bars, I decided I should. I had a shower then headed out. This time I walked the alley again, then back out, to another small dead end alley with banana room. I didn’t go in looked interesting. I walked bit further around the block and I found moonlight and then I noticed the other bars under fresh boys. Goodboys. The promoters of these bars seemed less interested in calling you in. When I was in the alley with moonlight no one called over to me, I was wearing black shorts and a black tshirt maybe I wasn’t dressed well enough? Same for dream boys not a single promoter asked me to come inside, I was getting warm and decided to go into a bar to cooldown from the heat. I thought I saw a bar where the show started at 9:45 but I couldn’t find that board tonight, maybe only Saturday? So I ended up going to hot male. This place felt smaller than fresh boys. Again there was mostly only Asian tourists and a few Indian tourists as well, the boys where all on stage however this time they just stood there, no movement to change position. They smiled at you, grabbed their crotches, they were wearing white tank tops with red long pants, some shirtless. A couple guys interested me,but they didn’t seem interested in me, so why bother? Another white guy came in. He bought a couple bottles they seemed to know him there. 5-8 of the guys went to join him and enjoy drinks. I felt like the room was too brightly lit. I preferred the dark seats of fresh boys. the show started, it consisted of some strip dancing, cock shows, then big cock show, one guy had a very large cock and he stayed hard without using their makeshift cock rings, they did come out with weird costumes for this, I wasn’t interested in anyone so when they came around for tips I just said no thanks, the show ended I paid my tab and left, then I decided to head over to fresh boys. at fresh boys they where just finishing the show with the cock parade where they use their cocks to hit the pole. I sat down. After the guy from the night before saw me he waved to me and smiled, then after he out his shirts back on for the lineup he came over to me to say hi, I tipped him 100 and he rejoined the lineup. His buddy was standing next to him in the lineup and pointing to the both of them trying to get me to pick both, I was unsure, his buddy was trying very hard, even playing with the guys cock through his shorts on stage. It was getting late and I didn’t really want to make the guy I was interested wait longer so I asked one of the waiters to have him come sit with me and I will buy drink, I asked is he your friend who does threesome he said yes but he told me another number who fucks better. I said ok let’s see. The other one came around on stage however I wasn’t interested in him even tho he definitely was trying to attract my attention, I told my guy I’m not really interested. He asked who I liked, I told him I liked him the best, he was happy and asked if I was gonna take him tonight, I said yes. I didn’t want to put the guys on stage through anymore torture so I asked to pay bill while he changed. we took Tuktuk back to hotel, I had great time he was even better second time, usually I find that’s not the case, he really worked hard to ensure I was satisfied. We later in bed after finishing and talked a bit, I asked him maybe you have verse guy I can watch first then we can all play. He said he did have friend even better he thinks I will like. I said maybe next time I go I can see. He told me about some sights I should visit. I know this is transactional but I felt like he actually was happy to be with me and this matters the most to me. i will definitely off him again.. maybe with a friend… who knows. Tonight I will try to find the one bar and see how that is. I may end up going to good boys tonight as well. Depending oh one thing I should mention at fresh boys and hotmale both give you back 50 baht in your change as coins, likely so you will leave that as a tip, which they got me and I did. I will add to this post tomorrow.

This is my first time to Bangkok and Thailand in general. I have read a lot on this forum and got some great advice from posters. I have been here for a week now did a tour with Mac from siamroads which was great. I just worked up the courage to try some of the Bars. I went to Fresh Boys on Saturday night. I stayed and watched the show I bought one of the guys who caught my eye a drink then ended up offing him which was a great experience. the next night I went to Hot Male watched the show however no one really interested me, I felt the place was much smaller than fresh boys and I didn’t like how bright it was. So I ended up back at fresh boys where the show just ended and I saw boy from night before. He came to say hi than he joined the lineup on stage. I ended up buying him drink. I guess the boys talk cause a couple of his friends on stage was trying to get me to off them as well for threesome, however I ended up just offing original boy who was fun again. onto my question when you buy a drink for one of the boys to sit with you, how long do they usually stay? If you are not interesting in offing how do you politely say thanks for sitting with me but ask them to leave? I think I would ask more boys to sit with me as I would enjoy the company but some of these boys I have no interest in offing. also thanks to to the great advice here I was able to negotiate directly my first time, I am still bit nervous at the bars would like to try some others such as Goodboys I tried looking for The One but could not find it. Thanks for any advice.

those must own extensive stamp collections one presumes

Not a definitive answer but based from experience: They will stay as long as you keep the drinks flowing (which can be pricey unless you avail of their bottle service). They will leave everytime they have to do their stage work as their endgame is to be offed. Once the topic of being offed is breached and there's mutual understanding that it will not progress to that stage, handing them a tip is the universal code for saying thanks and you are sending them back to rotation.

usually as soon as boy will sit with you , waiter or mamasan approaches you with drink question, ready to take order , leaving you with little more options than order one. Of course if you choose to do dry interview first y can do it but be ready to be pestered with oy drink question every 44 seconds or so. Sometimes if boy in question is known to me I make him sitting with me without drink for a while , in such case i make sure his tip is much higher than usual. Speaking human it means instead of spending 400-500 on boys drink I rather give that money to him as a tip. If I subsequently off invited boy , no tip for sitting with me as his reward will be paid in the room. If I'm sure I off the boy called I don't buy him a drink but ask him to dress and off we go-that usually happens with known quality.

Thanks for great first trip report. You're learning quickly about boy bar etiquette and customs. Sorry to hear about disappointing massage experience. Inability to get or maintain erection is certainly cause for dismay. Whenever I experience this I usually cut the session short, pay the minimum tip and move on. Luckily this hasn't happened very often. About the difference between photos and the boy who shows up for appointment. Their photos were taken when they first went to work in the shops. In some cases that could be 2-3 years ago. Btw, the soi with Banana Bar is known as Soi 4. The "nine" massage shop you referred to I believe is 9-Teen massage on Silom Soi 6. It's the only shop that only employees Thais and not other ASEAN guys. 9-Teen has two shops on same soi and another around the corner on Silom rd. That you've managed to find a guy from FB's that's compatible is encouraging. Hope your good luck with him continues. Please keep on reporting.

Nook from Double Shot opened a bar in the same soi as Dick's Cafe in Jomtien Complex. You will find some of the previous staff from Double Shot there and Nook may know where the other Cambodian boys are working or if they went home. https://jomtiencomplex.com/gay-bar/nook-n-k/

would be nice if you report here your findings about the bar and boys

I doubt, just expanding his business offerings. Definitely not an " L" in LGBT

I'm in Tokyo at the moment. I visited a newly-opened shopping centre in Harajuku and came across (pun intended) Tenga's latest and greatest store. (Tenga is a wanking toy.) That poor guy can't be getting much sex from his girlfriend. She was helping him choose! And imagine wearing that t-shirt, advertising to the world that you're a wanker! Only in Japan.

Thanks! I am going to Bangkok in December (late 30s, from NA, Asian background) so reading this from that perspective is really interesing. I will be adding FreshBoy to my list for sure. Regarding M15 shops photo. I, too, have this general concern about photo accuracy. Different angle, time period or even worse - photoshopping made the photo as useless as it can be as reference point. To mitigate this, generally I look for below (my theory yet to be proven, but I have high confidence this could be a good workaround). At very minimum, I look for non-professional photo (selfies, casual photos of them eating food, etc) With boys working at different multiple shops, they sometimes have different photos. Even better, Glam have all their masseurs photo in uniform so which tells me all those photos have been updated. I like a consistent shop photos (in uniform, same background, etc) as this provides consistency across that is not professionally taken Some massage shops upload short videos of their masseurs online (sitting down, showing off their body, working out) - this is a great source as videos less likely to be altered Sometimes, the boy have X account - if that is the case, that is strongest indicator of how they look recently Additional resources such as private line review groups sometimes take photos of the boys so you can gauge how close the photo is. SK shops tend to be the worst offender - some looking easily 5-10 years older than photo In rare occasions, shops that push for Google review like Ssense have masseurs photos taken by the costumer. Titan for instance looked so different than the original photo, luckily the shop also has posted more recent photo of him. All in all, I will overall put lower priority on masseurs that only have one-hit wonder photo taken professionally and no other photo. My theory is: if you look good in real life- either the shops or the boy himself want to have more photo taken! @sudoxi, may I ask how is the boy at Arena? Are they generally older (mid/late 30s) and muscule per general stereotypes?. Also with regards to MBs on Grindr - do they just message you stating they are MB or is this something that is not obvious?

The Pattaya Mail newspaper posted an article about the new Jomtien Supertown Complex marquee. https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/jomtiens-gay-venue-updates-its-marketing-image-474045?fbclid=IwY2xjawFnR59leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHf4RJ8gI5OGVfcHkqaAenOYjKrjnnPVJQ6IQDnn3-HiOG3W6qw9p0Lh4zQ_aem_0RxJYvIVHk-EIpXz8F-rsw#m1os3cu2wqgdsnjzpq I found the below commentary from the above article interesting: Although the number of gay bars has declined internationally, thanks largely to the advent of the universal internet, Pattaya and Jomtien have maintained a fairly large structured scene. Gay businesses still rely on a western clientele, mostly retired, which prefers a traditional and familiar setting based on alcohol, snacks and companionship. “There are millions of Chinese and Indians visiting Pattaya and Jomtien, but we don’t see them here,” according to motorbike taximan Pom who has been based at the Complex for 20 years.

I've visited SSENSE quite a number of times during the last three years. I've always been asked to leave a review but didn't bother to post or update the first one I made. I agree that google reviews doesn't have much bearing for me for shops such as this ---- since it leaves out the detail that I am most interested in. The same can be said for rankings or the order their profile will be placed in the booking site. I will still scroll past their most decorated and awarded staff and keep scrolling down till I find the profile that makes my heart skip a beat.

Yes, please do. The "fresh" views of a newbie would fascinate me.

Thank you. This seems perfect for me, give them tip and thank them. I don’t know why I didn’t think of it. I did see one guy getting bottle service last night at hotmale he did have 5-7 of the guys joining him for drinks

since I was called to answer here's my opinion : come when you have time and money and don't worry about seasonality. You don't need 200 or 100 masseurs to keep you happy, 20-30 will do and even that much/ little is enough to confuse you. In my 35 trips to Thailand I covered all months with exception of March and April. While there are seasonal variations in number of boys or crowds in the bars as well as hotel's prices and availability and vagaries of weather (Dec and Jan being best months in this respect ), for my personal use I consider whole issue of seasonality waaaay overhyped.

Or you could take a Grab..... Just kidding...I couldn't resist 😄

Exit Patpong 2 and turn left on to Surawong Rd. Walk down Surawong Rd. for about 5 minutes until you come to a 7-Eleven. Turn left immediately after passing store on to Soi Tarntawan (not to be confused with entrance to Tarntawan hotel driveway just before 7-Eleven). You'll find The One on your left a short way down.

Apologies in advance as I am not able to answer @abidismaili's specific question, which is about Pattaya. In any case, @bkkmfj2648 has given you a clear reply. But as I was reading the various posts before that, I saw something that I have commented upon in the past, but it bears repeating. Bangkok and Pattaya are completely different markets, and it is sometimes a source of confusion when we speak of "Thailand". Chiang Mai is different again. Phuket too. Each city's scene therefore has characteristics that reflect its market. To generalise is to mislead oneself. Pattaya is a market for Western tourists who have a tendency to come during the northern winter. It used to be that a considerable number of them stay for about 3 months, thereby boosting the appearance of large numbers (due to longer "dwell-time") when the numbers (in terms of unique persons) were probably never very large. This gave rise to the stereotype of a "high season". I will defer to @bkkmfj2648 observation about Jomtien massage shops, but my recall is that the Boyztown bars do have a higher number of boys on the stage during the northern winter. At least that was what I saw in the years past, I dont know if that is still the case. Pattaya is increasingly also a market for Indian tourists, but they have no interest in the gay scene. Bangkok's gay scene in its central areas (not its suburbs) is a market for Asian tourists, many of whom come from China and neighbouring, tropical countries. The "winter effect" does not apply. Regulars of Bangkok's bars and tourist-oriented massage parlours will tell you that 90 - 95% of the visitors are Asian, and have been so for maybe two decades. Bangkok's gay scene in its central areas have high spikes rather than a high season. They spike when the source country, e.g. China, SIngapore, Malaysia , Taiwan or Korea has a major holiday and long weekend, and these are scattered around the year. Each spike lasts no more than a weekend or a week at most. As for the numbers of boys in Bangkok's "places of interest", my observation is that they do not vary by season. A market that has short-lived spikes here and there does not create enough of seasonality. That said, there is still a significant increase of straight and family Western tourists coming to Bangkok during the northern winter, and this is reflected in hotel and arifare prices; but since they are not into the gay stuff, it has little impact on Bangkok's gay scene. Maybe the number of Westerners in bars will increase to 15% during this period form the usual 5 - 10%, not enough to affect staffing levels in the bars. Chiang Mai is essentially a local Thai market. Its rhythms reflect that. (I have seen, though, hordes of Chinese tourists in northern Thailand and Laos during the Chinese New Year holidays, with many driving in from Yunnan, too; but they're not interested in the gay scene.) Phuket is characterised by a strong surge of tourists during the northern winter. It has horrid weather during the summer monsoon, with rain every day and dangerously rough seas. Phuket is exposed to the Indian Ocean, from where the monsoon comes. Sun and sand is also a greater attraction for Westerners than for Asians, so this explains the high proportion of Western tourists in Phuket, which in turn means a northern winter peak. Now, I believe Russian tourists are the biggest group, and given the severe winter in their country, the "high season" is further reinforced. Despite this, Phuket's gay scene, by all reports, continues to wither. I would have thought that, given the homophobia in Russian society, lots of gay Russians would be eager to come, find a bit of freedom and boost Phuket's gay scene the way homophobia in the West fuelled Pattaya's emergence in the 1980s and 1990s, but apparently there is no sign of that happenning. Maybe @Moses can offer some insight into why this is not happening?

I've heard a couple of non-Trump Republican commentators, Jennifer Rubin being one of them, speculate that Trump might replace JD Vance with Kennedy as a running mate. Beyond the historical mind-fuck that would be, I don't buy it. Even Trump has to know that he's conspiratorial enough for the slate, and best not to double down with two old privileged white men whining about how unfair the world is to them. Does anyone know what the mechanics are to replace an already nominated candidate?

Now I'm getting excited for my planned trip April next year 😆😆😆. It sucks that during my visit Tawan was still closed earlier this year 😑.

I ask the guy, you want drink or prefer the cash ....100% reply. money is better

Tonight I went to a gay cinema in Ueno. It was one of my favourite haunts when I was living here. I had lots of fun there, especially when I was a student. They let me in even though I didn't look 20 years old. There was a guy there whose specialty was blow jobs. He'd arrive with tissues, bottles of water to wash our cocks, and a bowl into which he spat the cum. We would all form a line and wait out turn, Tonight was even better than I expected. Although they show straight soft porn, it's where gay guys go for fun. Within 5 minutes my pants were around my ankles and a guy was on his knees giving me a truly memorable blow job. He worked on me for around half and hour and then asked me to fuck him. Unfortunately, neither of us had a condom. A bit later he was barebacking. I had a front row view and when he pulled out and came over the guys back, he was greeted with stupendous applause! I hadn't cum yet so was looking forward to my next adventure. It didn't take long. A rather handsome guy - probably in his thirties - sidled up to me and unzipped my fly and down he went. He also worked on me for what seemed like ages and then I suggested we go and sit down. Within seconds he was on my cock again. I apologised for taking so long to cum but he told me not to worry, as he loved to suck and said he could do it all night. So I layed back in the seat, closed my eyes and let him take me to heaven. Every time I felt I was about to cum he'd stop and we'd chat until I was ready to go again. Just as I was getting close again, the lights came on. It was closing time and everyone left. WTF? No!!! I only need a few more minutes! Damn! I should have bought a Tenga! We've made arrangements to meet there again on Wednesday. There's something about the way Japanese guys give blow jobs. They know every technique in the book. They are the absolute best.

Necessity is the mother of invention

The guy is in Glam’s too, and that is an H place. So he must have expanded his service, but we won’t know unless some people have made a recent review.

It depends on what you want to do with it! If oral, can be as big as you like, apart from suffocation issues! If you want to bottom, then 23cm could lead to problems with walking, etc!

Yeah. Will depend mostly on the duration. I know some customers who will stay cuddled up with their chosen guy for the entire night without intention to off. I'm hoping the boy will receive a tip commensurate to that. In my case, doing the vibe check, due diligence, expectation setting etc. doesn't take so much time. So if they failed the vibe check within the first 10 minutes, I immediately send them back to rotation with a 100 baht note. If I may add a question - what's the expectation when you call a guy from stage to join you? Should you buy him drink immediately or is it alright to chat for a few minutes to decide if you want him to stay for drinks?

make sure they are not con artists

Some forum members here can do 3 to 5 guys per day = 21 to 35 in 7 nights 🤪 🤩 🍆 💦

so 28 boys will suffice , 2 meetings a day, you need 14 and another 14 just to provide you with options to choose ,

Wus. come to colombia, 23 CM is just getting started... a little bit of pain is good for character building.. I haven't seen anything really big outside the big cock show or twitter/onlyfriends .... in thailand/ phillipines

It's true that I off someone from a bar only about once in 4 or 5 bar visits. Even when I do, I often won't write about it. Firstly, there is not a lot I want to say about sex in the room. Secondly, it's not what my blog is intended for. You may have noticed that even when sex follows a massage, the massage visit report doesn't include any description of the gymnastics (outside editorial policy,😉). Thirdly, the majority of my visits to Bangkok are work-related, which means that I don't stay in the Silom area and I have to get up at "normal" hours in the morning. Taking a bar boy at 11pm would be impractical compared to booking a 6pm or 7pm massage. Fourthly, it is 50 - 100% costlier to get a bar boy than a massage, for no assurance of better performance. Even if I am not on a work trip and therefore have the luxury of time, the years have had an impact. Whereas I could happily do a massage-plus in the day followed by off'd-boy in the night, I don't have the energy or interest to keep up with such a pace anymore. Once a day is now enough. Moreover, over the years I have acquired a short list of bar boys and massage boys whom I contact directly to come to my room. If it's a bar boy and during evening hours, I'd still have to pay the off fee, but I wouldn't have taken him from a bar (at least, not directly), which means I don't have to pay 500 baht for drinks and be pestered by mamasans. I do not write about such come-to-my-hotel appointments. Because they are "regulars" - even if not that frequent - the sessions I have with them are generally more satisfying. In this respect, I actually have 2 Tawan guys on that shortlist, compared to just one from Fresh Boy (and last I heard, he's not even working there anymore), plus a growing number from other bars and massage places. There have been trips to Bangkok where I don't visit the bars at all; between massage visits and shortlisted boys coming to my hotel, I am busy enough. All these factors considered, offing a boy from a bar is indeed becoming a rarity. Nowadays, the main value I get from visitng a bar is to find fresh new faces once in a while, and if they perform well, they get added to the shortlist.

Bar owners in Thailand tend to stick to what they know, regardless of whether or not it works. If it doesn't work, they try to solve the problem by simply raising prices. From my experience, creativity is not their strong point.

Just read a report, 'sudoxi'? Saying he liked it.

I saw this boy on Facebook in Pattaya Anyone know which bar he works ?

This true. I was in Tawan(The One) in last year and I had a boy from Myanmar sit with me almost every time I was there and I always buy him a drink. But one time he said it's better to give him direct as a tip and no need to buy him boy drink since they are not getting much from the bar for the drinks bought for them. I was there by April when the bar is full during shows but very less offs happening.

Which shop did you find was the worst offender in this case? Reason I ask is that I've yet to encounter such a wide gap in ages.

Weather is important, can make the difference of going out or looking for a lifeboat or 10 showers a day....as far as finding a guy...it only takes 1 to make some of us happy, some others require a small army (insert random marching comment here😉) 🌦️🌦️ ☀️😎

I did take a Grab from Tartawan to Balcony then worked out later it was a 5 minutes walk😂

Anything above 17 or 18 is nice sized and quite desirable.

Indeed. There are at least tens of thousands of go-go and masseurs in Bangkok if not more (one SK shop has more or less hundred available already). People come and go in the industry, new faces, old faces remain etc. Take my upcoming trip for a week in Bangkok - have seen at least hundreds of boys photos but alas only have time for 7 nights…

a lot

What's 23cm in cock inches?😅

Hey, macaroni21, I'm really sorry to tell you that it's just a hardcore gym, which is down on Sukhumvit 56 and is a fairly long walk from On Nut BTS. As mentioned, there is no air-conditioning, just overhead fans. Lots of guys to ogle at in between workout sets.

Perhaps an advantage for the women - but then for us men where we don't need the cubicle (if the need is only to take a piss) we just use one of the gazillion urinals that are lined up next to each other. Imagine that they remove the urinals to install toilet cubicles - then I believe that there would then be a line also for men - as the now unisex bathroom that has been refitted for cubicles only would take up more space than the former urinals - thus resulting in a capacity issue for those that want to only pee - creating the potential for queuing up during peak usage periods. I remember back in the late 1980s the first time that I went to a nudist camp that only had unisex bathroom. It was an awkward situation for me when a young girl pointed me out - when I was peeing in the urinal - to her mother - when the young girl said, mommy I want to pee like that man is instead of waiting for a cubicle to free up. The mother replied by pointing to my penis saying to her daughter - sorry you cannot because you do not have that. It was an uncomfortable situation - but then again - it was my first ever participation in a nudist colony.

All relevant .... You've been to Brasil....😉 Guys in Thailand say I'm big....bless their heart 😁

No trains in the floating market. They'd sink.

my observations are similar, part I did not like the most was mamasan inserting himself uninvited into discussion about off and tip which ultimately ended as very unsatisfactory and poor value for the money for me . I agree that goys there are still friendly but bar after re-opening seems to lose direction of what it wants to be. Constant asking for tips after each number in the show will make it once-per-trip bar for me if they don't mitigate their ways.

It may be counter-intuitive, but from my experience with Saphan Khwai places, I would go for the opposite priorities: mattress on the floor and bathrooms down the corridor. Massage tables are essential if one is hoping to get a good quality massage; the table ensures that the therapist has good posture as he works on your body and is thus able to deliver the strokes correctly - by this I mean massage strokes in the Western massage tradition. The Thai massage tradition is oil-free and has too much spot-pressing, which I dislike. At the Saphan Khwai shops, except for one occasion I have never had a boy with trained technique, so a massage table is pointless. The downside of massage tables is that they are narrow and thus quite restrictive when it comes to playtime. A floor mattress allows arms and legs to spill out onto the adjacent floor without fear of falling off. Since the point of going to Saphan Khwai is playtime rather than massage, I would choose a floor mattress room instead of a massage table room in that locality. In other places with good massage technique I would choose the opposite. Note: Some places have queen-sized beds instead of massage tables or floor mattresses. One Spa's VIP rooms come to mind, as do Senso's rooms (but the latter shop is in Silom, not Saphan Khwai). If a room in Saphan Khwai has a shower stall ensuite, it is likely to be 0.9 x 0.9m, too small for two persons. If one uses the bathroom down the corridor, there is a good chance of the boy joining you there.

Trump voters are voting for TRUMP, not any secondary candidate, they are all non entities..... Trump could have a Muppet as his running mate and they will still vote for him. Trump said it himself, "I alone can fix it" and that excludes the actions of ANY running mate. He made them expendable with THAT statement. So I doubt any change in the GOP ticket will affect it, unless they are getting rid of Trump himself.... With that said, it is what it is now. Its Trump or Cackles.