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Day 4 My friend is going home and I’m going to Bangkok. Breakfast together in Bay View restaurant on Brach rd. the we packed, Bolt was ordered and soon we were on our way. At Swampy we parted ways hoping to see each other in Bangkok soon as we always have fun vacationing at the same time. Train to Silom , room in Raya was already available . It must be low season as they were quite strict with 3 p m check-in in the past , even in covid time. Then to XOne to exchange some money, I noticed drop in USD since my day of arrival so decided to exchange euros instead. Upon return I met by chance former Tawan boy now falling on hard times. He told me he sleeps in Lumpini somewhere so I gave him 60 baht to buy himself a snack. In front of Raya there was another beggar who greeted me in English and feeling happy to be back in Bangkok I gave him 50 baht to which he reacted crying, serious. In the room I collapsed on the bed, jet lag still holding me .And pretty strong as I woke up only at 9 pm. After sprucing myself I went to check realm of Patpong entertainment zone. In front of Tawan I saw twink I offed in May but did not go in – another member , big fan of Tawan is coming tomorrow and we already agreed we will go there together. This time I decided to skip Jupiter , my usual bar on first evening and went to Hot Male with clear aim – to off S . After 3 nights of boys tricks I wanted somebody reliable, BS free and of known , high quality. Went down from the scene as soon as he saw me , like it was sure thing I came for him but more or less that was a case. Spotted few attractive boys and distributed few tips before we went to Foodland for a meal and then back to Raya. Finally 97% satisfaction, I noticed he built up his muscles since May, fact he confirmed. 3% of discount is for skipping breakfast but at least he stay in the room sleeping , sexily uncovered. Finally , on my 4th night proper LT without drama, 4K very well earned. No , we did not discuss money, with exception of our first meeting from now gone New Twilight we never do.

Day 3 Today my forum friend and me treated ourselves with 350 baht buffet breakfast in LK hotel. Very nice but on my side bit of extravagant as I was not even that hungry so I did not utilize their excellent offerings in full. Better part came on our way back as my friend opted for foot massage and I decided to try it as well , first time in my long an happy life. We entered some nice looking shop on Beach Rd and lady there seeing poor state of my feet suggested “ two ladies , one massage one foot repair “. Smart business and they worked hard to earn shop’s fee and their tips. Lazy afternoon with some strolls toward Tukcom and jet lag induced nap in the room. It was darkening when I went to 7/11 to buy some beer as I , true to what I said above decided I’m there to get fun , not to get even decided to invite the same boy for third night in row. Knowing what happened previous two night I did not had any extravagant hopes. Send him a Line about my plans of taking him and immediately got happy response with thank you and smiley face When back in the room I realized that 7/11 gave me 80 baht change too much . I don’t get rich from keeping it but girl at cash may get poorer so right away I went back to return money. On my way I met Dreamboys mamasan and pay her 500 off fee asking to keep boy for me until I come at midnight to pick him up. By time I was back in the room I got another message that he knows about it already. At 7 pm we went to Dicks at Jomtien Complex to meet bkkmfj for dinner . No prize for guessing what I had. Nice and long conversation then stroll through Complex, most bars were very sparsely patronized so we were greeted enthusiastically while passing by. I even noticed one handsome , long legged guy sitting in front of one bar and thought if I were in Pattaya longer I’d be glad to get bit closer to those legs and see what’s between them. But generally boys there are neither my friend’s nor mine type and we decided to go back to Boyztown to see again show at XBoys at 11.00. Very progressive one with some f…k on customer’s lap by circulating couple , plenty of skin visible and great fun. Just before midnight we crossed the soi to Dreamboys where I called my guy immediately over for a drink, my friend also found some suitable drinking companion. Not long after we were seen marching ( did you hear that floridarob?) to our hotel. It may raise many a brew questioning why I offed again boy who kind of deceived me last two nights. Reason is plain and simple , we got along great, conversation was interesting and bed activities very rewarding so social , so to speak part was extremely pleasant and rewarding on all three occasions. It was business part which was disappointing and today was no exception. First we talked about him visiting me in Bangkok after I return from Cambodia, he had only one condition, I will pick him up from the airport which is easy task. I liked idea very much since as I said I liked his company although because of goings last two evenings I treated it as distant possibility rather than firm , hope generating commitment. Then he asked if I can give him 2000 more than we agreed. No problem said I but only if you stay with me till morning – I like an idea of paradise. Then we proceed to stamp collection activities and when done, again almost on the dot at 2 he said he must go citing some reason of dubious validity. I tried to offer him 1000 extra just for 1 hr longer but he was firm , 2000 is ok he said , I need to go. So much about need for money expressed 2 hours earlier. Whole thing was very mysterious, false promises of longer stay without any desire of keeping them, very punctual departure and yet trying to fish more money. What was the reason I don’t know, jealous boyfriend / girlfriend, some medicine to take at the same time, somebody at home to take care of, no idea ? On another had as I said , social and bed part were extremely pleasant and rewarding. It reminded me Cambodian Prince fiasco from Jan 2023, equally charming and also trying to extract money without much of commitment to earn them. So I was left alone in the room with vague hope he may show up in Bangkok for few days together my assessed probability of it happening was between zero and nil. We will see who was right when I return from Phnom Penh. So I finished day 3 satisfied but not happy.

short time or long time?

Nice boys Was open last time I went.May Probably be the last time I go Pushy Thai owner,I was giving 100 baht tips to meet every guy for less than one minute They all lined up ,the mamasan came over ,the owner wants me to buy every boy a drink if I meet them for the minute I said no...sent the boys away that were lining up and paid my bill The owner wasn't happy, 4 drinks including 2 boy drinks in 10 minutes and over 1000 b in tips he wanted more ,just cost his staff not him ! Too greedy ,cost him my business So greed doesn't get you anywhere ,if someone is tipping your staff for a 30 second meet then go with the flow ,dollars is coming in My plan is to meet them quickly tip them and if I like buy a drink So the mamasan got tipped and several boys ,there was more money in my pocket and more drinks planned ..but...no not good enough for the Thai owner some old guy Selfish Thai owner .then mamasan said to me ,"you cum back tommrrw he not here ! Nope I said.. nope Similar GREED happened a few years ago in the Jomtien complex a annoying waiter constantly shaking my beer bottle to see how much is in there ,he walked around every few minutes shaking bottles of customers🍾🍾,I noticed very few people in this certain bar(now closed) compared to others and I knew why , Fucking annoying shaking the bottle every 3 minutes and I kid you not ,every 3 minutes! "You want more drink ? He asked "I only ordered it a few minutes ago " I said to him startled 😮 I finally left, and NO tip ...in fact I shook the black leather thing you put the money in ...right in front of him ...fuck him ! And I know what some of you would think....."oh these poor boys...they're forced to work like slaves ....give them more ...don't complain...give them more and say sorry to the darlings ..think how poor they are compared to you as a farang.....say sorry for not giving them more money oh oh 😭😭😭😭 Maybe you....but NOT this little black duck !🖕🖕🦆 As for Winner boys the best owner and BEST business in Pattaya !!!!

All about the timing, places, personalties and situations. On the first night I met a beautiful guy with great body zero fat, lean and willing to do just anything. Once it came to an action, he looked cold and only did when told. No eager or enthusiastic whatsoever. Disappointed and yet I made the most of it as his face, and body were so hot. Two days later at the same place, late afternoon as I was checking in, a young twink flashed me a beautiful smile, I returned a wink. Once inside, we chatted, checking out his body and his offerings. He went ahead got the room and supplies, then flashing memory from two days ago hit me, would it be the same. Luckily this young energetic boy/guy “he has baby face” delivered all the good and beyond. Once he drained all my Leche, he cum heavily on my neck and face. We laughed and glued together chest to chest and he gave me one of the best kiss ever. I was hooked, he joined me for drinks and I discovered he just turned 18, I couldn’t believe it and my cock is getting hard as writing. The beauty face, fitted tight elastic young hole, tone lean body, bowl lips wrapped perfectly on my cock and carefree attitude won my heart and pocket to met at my place the next day….. he stayed with me for 5 days. Each morning was a dream, seeing a young beautiful thing laying beside me. Feasting & munching on his beautiful brown young butt and drained every drop of his sweet juice.

I am based in UK, and have a small group of regulars that I enjoy. There have been odd occasions, in the past, when I was using one offs where I was stung by guys asking for 50% up front. Since I ask guys to come to my place, I understand that they may be reluctant to come to a house for the first time. Usually I will agree a small figure to cover fares, if asked. With my regulars, however, I am inclined to consider helping, if they are guys I have known a long time, also if they are on an escort site where you can leave reviews, that's an additional safeguard. I agree though it's always a risk. I've had 2 guys say they were short, £200, could I send them cash, next visit free. Both turned up as requested. I actually gave them a tip for being honest! I took a big chance on a guy who screwed up his Uni fees, I agreed to pay against a year of free visits! A hell of a risk, and not recommended, but I had a close relationship with this guy, I thought. Indeed, all turned out fine, and I still see him regularly, 3 years later. OK, luck involved, but I thought, I like the guy, I can afford it, why not! We're sort of friends, talk about families, etc, though I'm not kidding myself, it's basically a commercial relationship!

The need for safety can come at us unexpectedly. I share this recent story with all of you as it: surprised me, came from someone that I thought that I could trust, had elements of desperation. So, this guy that I know for more than 1 year has excellent edging skills - so whenever he would be in Pattaya I would hook up with him at my condo room for an edging session. Then recently, while I was waiting for my 2 guys to arrive for my 4 hands massage - 10 minutes before the appointment, my doorbell rings and I open it and I see my edging guy at the door. I said to him - that I cannot do edging right now because in 10 minutes 2 guys are arriving. He apologized and asked me if I could give him 2.000 baht and that the next edging session would be free. I probably have met with him 10 distinct times in the last year - so I did not think anything about it. Next day, at 2:50am, my doorbell rings but I do not answer it - as I was in a dead sleep and I was not expecting anyone. Later that day I told the condo security team about this incident and they told me that a guy came to them at 3am and told them that he accidently rang the wrong doorbell and apologized. Again, I did not think anything was weird yet. Then next day in the afternoon someone is knocking on the door incessantly - I had temporary disabled the electronic doorbell after the above incident. I again ignored the door. Later that evening my main massage friend came to visit me and I told him about this and he said to me - let us go downstairs and tell the security team and see if they will let us view the CCTV coverage. Well, guess what - it was the edging guy and the security team told me that it was the same guy who apologized to them for ringing the doorbell of the "wrong" condo by accident. Now we were all suspicious and the security team asked me to authorize them to block this guy from entering the building - which I did and like clockwork, he returned the next day - but this time he was blocked by the security team and threatened to be reported to the police. It is a sad story - as I lost my favorite edger - but his desperation stemmed from his bank closing his bank account as Thailand has recently made moves to close many "mule" accounts - which is what I suspect happened to this edging guy - as he mentioned to me that he recently received a big transfer into his bank account from his supposed "Japanese boyfriend"..... But who knows - at least this problem is now gone for now and is an illuminating story about how people that we allow into our lives based onto trust can go weird on us and lose that trust that they had gained.

@18past19, When you return to Pattaya - let me take you to one of the many restaurants that are on the Prathamnak cliffs - that overlook the Pattaya Cosy Beach and Gulf of Thailand with an amazing sunset view of nearby Koh Larn island. When you take the bathbus (songthaew) from Pattaya City to Jomtien - the bahtbus goes over a hill that separates Pattaya City from Jomtien and the neighborhoods on that hill are Prathamnak and Cosy Beach - where Cosy Beach has the seaside cliff with amazing views.

Day 5 Quite nice weather today. Finally session finished as I like ( and pay for) with boy going home when invited to do so. In the afternoon massage with Nut in Maha in soi 6 . Charming diminutive body builder. Reminded me he has birthday in a week and would like to have dinner with me for an occasion. Tried to complain that few days earlier when he asked me when I’m coming to Thailand I told him I don’t know yet. But got a message when I explained ‘ I told you what I wanted to tell “. Still jet lagged so in the afternoon 1 hr nap. At 19.30 meeting in Foodland with newly arrived member from Taiwan. We agreed previously we will go to Tawan for inspection on his 1st day so after catching on the latest gossip. Around 10 on Sunday evening bar was full. Considering it’s size it’s not a difficult tax to fill it up. We were greeted enthusiastically, perhaps too enthusiastically. Few previous off descended on me immediately lowering briefs which was supposed to suggest tip and asking for drinks. OK, two of veterans of my many offs sat with me and got a drink. Show started shortly with usual numbers. After each segment performers are circulating , hoping for tips again. Done as always in friendly manner but at times annoying. I learned that former resident twink Mas the masseur , one of my favorites , works now in one of soi 6 shops. I was very happy with twink I offed LT in May so asked him about repeat. Answer was business like , long time , no , short time 3000 and for 1 hr. only . Thanks God I know how is ‘no’ in English so used it . Too bad because I really liked an experience with him but at least no ticks but straightforward answer. Somebody reported recently that mamasan is trying to insert himself in off and tip negotiation., Annoying and unnecessary. Now they have another twink, quite skeletal at that but I kind of liked him and called him over, Other boys told me he is new hire and if I off him I’d be his first customer. No harm done. Of course mamasan intervened with request of 5000 tip LT for the boy. Ouch but I decided to go for it. After all novelty value, isn’t it? Both boys sitting with me were explaining something to him, I can only imagine giving him instructions of how great/stupid I’m. Short walk to Foodland to eat something . Big applause when we were leaving bar congratulating new guy his first hire. I kind of liked that. In both restaurant and in the room later it was clear he doesn’t know anything about his job description coupled with non existing English. Most expensive and most unresponsive sand bag in long time and as result worst spent 5000 since Luisiana Purchase. At least I’m victim of myself I thought in the morning. Even in breakfast room it was clear he is complete novice to the scene and surrounding counties. Sending him home I thought about myself as charity with inclination to misspend money.

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Certainly move will give them better visibility. Current location is for the in-the-know customers only. I like an idea of them being in bigger space as often they are quite full. Then Tawan may move into place they are right now

For vacations lasting a week or more I always plan at least a day of not doing anything in particular. Im guessing you have probably seen the sights already, so join him for the bits you want to revisit. It is nice to have someone to share experiences with and it is also a good way to nurture a relationship or friendship. Unless of course that someone is grumpy due to lack of sleep

When I lived in Budapest with my dark skinned Thai partner, he was often taken for a "gypsy" and was sometimes treated badly as a result. He couldn't go into a shopping centre on his own without being closely followed by security who assumed because of his appearance that he was only there to steal. He once got chased across a car park by a gang of Hungarians shouting abuse. Fortunately he could run fast. There are a lot of racist hungarians and there are even good "gypsies". Let's not damn them all.

I’m having a great time in Rio. Last night’s guy was one of the best sex encounters I can remember.

Leave him home... or find a more compatible bf, lol

To the OP, of course I could be wrong. Does anyone else ever have the slightest doubts? It's human nature after hearing the same lies over and over In Russia the opposition has either given up or they doubt themselves or both. Perhaps Putin and Trump know what's right for everyone. So yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Trump tells the truth. Maybe the earth is flat. Maybe the election was stolen. Critical thinkers and influencers like Mike Lindell think they have pretty solid evidence. Let's give his side a voice instead of fact checking him and ruling against in court. What could go wrong?

Tha is for your comments. I Bangkok, I usually use grindr, go go bars, or massage parlours. There is one guy I used several times, but that is the exception. I only do ST. I've been lucky over the years, all the Grindr guys, bar one, looked like their pics, and performed. Ditto bars, and massage. Like you, no issues as to safety. I hope my luck holds in November, when I am dipping a toe, and perhaps more, into the water of Pattaya!

Thanks for writing about this place. In the last four days I ended up visiting this place 3 times. However, the 3 times I was there only less than a handful of guys were there. The good thing is that I signed up with their Line @glamspabkk and received pictures before I went. So I asked the manager about a guy that I was interested in and he was able to come in less than 30 minutes on Friday afternoon. On Sunday I Lined the manager and asked for a different guy and he was so cute that I went back to see him again today!!! One thing to note is that they tried to ask me to pay 990 bahts booking fee today beforehand. I said I was there twice before and never had to pay and they were ok with it. I am not sure if this is going to be standard practice or not. At any rate, I won't be able to pay using the Thai QR code they sent me. Judging from the Line pictures, they have quite a number of guys that I like. The rooms have en suite shower with a legit massage table. The two guys performed a decent massage first and then transitioned to the 2nd part. The massage was no Prime massage but it was decent enough. 90 minutes costed 1,300 bahts for the room plus 1,800 bahts tip for the boy. It is a easy 5 to 10 minutes walk from Sutthisan MRT station which is less than 30 minutes from Si Lom. Personally, I prefer this over Prince or VCK. I also like the fact that pricing is upfront and I hated to have to negotiate with guys!

I agree that the pillar is an issue. Personally I prefer the smaller, more 'intimate' (sic) space where they now are. I find the wide open spaces not conducive to getting to know boys etc. Also, they would consistently have to have a large no of boys. The current, slightly sleazy atmosphere, I like!

@bkkmfj2648 Thank you much. Now i have two real good reasons to visit Pattaya again, the second being my regret of not joining Mr A during their dance on X Boys’ stage that night.

Wow @Shonen, I am impressed that you managed to get into the Thai inner circle, if you have frequented the famous Jomtien soi 12 - where our guys after the the bars close - and even after gay volleyball on Dongtan beach concludes, they head over for an all-nighter on the Jomtien soi 12 beach - where many find themselves drinking until the sunrise and/or passed out on the beach disoriented when the morning tourists start arriving on the beach to start their beach day activities.... From what little that I do know about Vinapu's @vinapu Dreamboy guy, I do not believe that he is the Jomtien soi 12 type.

I was there in April I will be there in 3 weeks with my Filipino boyfriend 30yo top he is only into old farangs It was busy in April although my preference!( At that time) was older Chinese guys grandpa types 👴👴👴 Now I was only on the bottom level where the steam room was , someone told me there were upstairs play rooms ???? I enjoyed Sansuk ,cold beers ,great cafe bar by the pool Strangest thing , I got chatting to a middle-aged Asian Australian guy ,he kept asking me prices of hotels nearby etc He said he is from Sydney Australia,I said same here ...then I recognised him....he was my urologist a few years ago ! I said you were the one who gave me a prostate exam...he looked shocked ...I probably was he said ....but....I won't be giving you one today !!!😳 And he's in a gay sauna ...in Thailand 😂 As for Sunee Winner boys is great 😃

Winner Boys inside the Plaza is very much open, as indeed is Nice Boys just on the edge. A couple of other bars inside the Plaza seem half open but without any sign (to me at least) of boys working in them. But WBs for the gay boys and NB for the straight boys are still worth a visit. Lots of new boys in both the other day when I looked in.

that's fine . I even understand false promise of LT on the first night, just to secure deal. But on subsequent nights when he was sure to be offed ? That doesn't make any sense for me. In fact I asked him about boyfriend / girlfriend and he claimed to be single, again I don't care about the truth. Strange case of extremely handsome and pleasing guy inventing stories where plain truth would suffice. Mystery for me but at least I have great memories of our meetings.

Food was passable but twinky waiter adorable. I found that location because boy Arm from Dreamboys , now gone to Phuket apparently, invited me there in May. All I had to do was to eat and pay the bill.

I remember growing up in the Midwest, our newspaper was highly regarded. Our Sunday paper was monstrous. So much great content to pour over. We had a weekday edition, and also an afternoon edition delivered 6 days a week. As a kid I recall hearing complaints our newspaper was slanted. I thought to myself "what is wrong with them, complaining about the newspaper?" I lived in a lower middle class neighborhood. Most homes had the newspaper delivered, all the editions. Not getting the newspaper seemed unthinkable. So, who were these cranks complaining about the newspaper, I thought. At one point one of my most respected grade school teachers suggested not everything we read in the newspaper is true. I recall thinking "but how can that be?" But the reality was reporting behind the Iron Curtain wasn't the only place where the editing was jiggered a bit to suit a purpose. Not everything published in the NYT for example was meant to report news as much as to sell newspapers. Fast forward to today, newspaper circulation and readership tends to be digital. NYT now even has podcasts. The idea of media influence is a lot more apparent to me and likely everyone than it was back in the days when we mostly treasured our newspaper back home. There seems to be enough transparency and evidence to learn we should question a lot of what we hear now from corporate media. One might wonder what exactly drives Sinclair, Fox, OAN and Newsmax to color their news into alternate facts. Is it merely greed? I expect so. Why does corporate media tend to parrot the alternate facts already trumpeted by right wing media as if they deserve reporting, while rarely including fact checking of the lies? Today I listened to a corporate media piece on Omaha, Nebraska. They interviewed a couple that supported Trump. When asked why, they agreed how only Trump is willing to tell the truth. That upset me, how ridiculous that story was, and how corporate media needs to take responsibility for their role in fostering such a false opinion of Trump. So what should we think about Russian money that paid for production of propaganda spread by influencers on YouTube? How corporate media has reacted to this reminds me of Captain Renoir in Casablanca. We're shocked how false news was easily spread by funneling money from Russia! Does anyone remember that $20,000,000 the NRA funneled to the 2016 Trump campaign came from Russian oligarchs. The lamestream media is willfully acting stupid. The DOJ is on their game. The media ought to do a better job connecting the dots that the election interference spread by the influencers cited by Merrick Garland directly benefits Russia and Trump. But they don't. Corporate media isn't doing their job. My last point to the OP is if you reach the point where you doubt whether the folks trying to help, such as board members, might actually be on the take, one can't blame you. One fellow on Daddy's board parroted so much Kremlin garbage that I accused him of being a Russian troll. I was eventually banned from that board. I don't miss it. I don't know what to tell you, other than keep on your toes and be careful when it seems others merely want to hit your emotional hot buttons.

it low season but I must say that processing time on immigration , both inbound and outbound, were very efficient when I was there last month

at first look you may be right but it's still too simplistic and smells pre-conceived notion more than cold analysis. With 33 trip so far before that one I never encountered deceit in such masse and yes , occasionally in the past I rewarded bad behaviour still with tip agreed. Reason is simple - bad behavior is ( was ? ) extremely rare and commotion resulting from it may be not worth the trouble. In Nov 2014 report I described in detail my worst off ever , situation with boy who refused to undress and get off the phone for 40 minutes before I kicked him out and he still demanded full tip even audaciously called mamasan enlisting her help. As result of commotion whole Om Yim hotel was put on middle of the night alarm and it still cost me 1000 baht to calm him down ( we agreed on 2000 in the bar). Saving even 2000 was not worth an experience. Second is that , as we will hear in following days , some boys gladly accept or even suggest you reduce their tip, only to be released much sooner than agreed. Money is saved but experience spoiled. I like LT and guy going home in the morning after breakfast together when I tell him he is free. This is what I go there for and what I'm prepared to pay for it as well. Issue for me is not money , is wasted opportunity. as peer gossip , for sure they talk to each other about clinets the same way we talk about them here but again , I have hard time to buy that explanation since all deceivers this trip were new hires for me and , as we learn soon , coming from bars where I must have good record with multiple , trouble free hires like Moonlight, Tawan and Hot Male. Who from there would instruct them to threat me as sucker when other their boys are great to excellent ?

Walking and strolling......Maybe you have better luck when you are marching instead 😘 From almost all comments on this board, everyone pays them the agreed fee even when there is non-performance. If more people started to do this, I think it would happen less.....why should they work or do anymore than they need to if they're going to be rewarded equally, never has made sense to me. Is why I have lowered expectations to Thailand....relegated it to be good business class flights, amazing food, good-great massages and a slight chance to have good sex, with someone not from a go-go bar.

Sexy Jett Gunther (Bangkok realtor and former journalist with The Thaiger), recently interviewed Thomas Carden on his Youtube channel, from AIT (American International Tax Advisers) - This is the same tax expert that I saw his presentation that was made back in June at the PCEC (Pattaya City Expat Club).

In years past I have made the trek to several places in Lat Phrao, a handful in Onnut, Thonburi, Nonthaburi, even one in Minburi (there used to be a shop named Hercules there, and the taxi ride took over an hour). Of all of these, there were only two visits (to a place called White Spa or something like that in Lat Phrao and to another place in Onnut, whose name I have forgotten) which I remember with fondness. All the rest were forgettable. From my experience, the score rate is no different from the shops in Saphan Khwai or downtown. Sometimes, the guy is a gem, other times a dud. In my opinion, neither distance nor looks are predicting factors. The memorable guy from Onnut was from a shop with mostly women in front. He was short and possibly in his forties (and in average shape). But maybe because few others would think of going to that shop (or picking him) for extra services, when we, in the privacy of our massage room, embarked on our whirlwind romance, he did so with a gusto like he had not cum for the last six months. But he was the exception. As mentioned above, most other excursions to the fringes of Bangkok were far from memorable. That said, it may be just me. From reading the various reports on this forum, I have learnt that there are people different from me, people who put much greater weight on how closely the boy's look compares to a certain idealised image of beauty. A lot of time and MONEY is invested in pursuit of looks, and visual delight colours their experience of the performance that is actually delivered. A performance that on an objective score may be ho-hum may be rated higher simply because the guy looks like a Greek God, a full-fledged bear, or the Epitomy of Youth. I'm not being critical; I'm just stating an observation with no value judgement. We are all different. In a way, you can say the extreme end of this spectrum would be those among us who call themselves muscle worshippers. We've had people here say, they don't even need coitus, they don't need to cum, so long as they can caress the torso, arms and legs of their dreams. People like me, without that kind of aesthetic sense, would never pay money for that! 😘 As unlikely as me paying money to screw a woman. So, if university students in the glow of youth have value to you, then go make the trek. But if that's not in your calculus, then the distance and trouble may not be worth it. You're just as likely to get satisfaction from places that are easier to access.

That's the point. Your points on authoritarianism are always excellent. It is a huge challenge. And you can make a great argument that the real problem is not authoritarians, or authoritarian-friendly influencers. The real problem is those authoritarian followers. Without throngs of authoritarian followers, you can't have authoritarian leaders. My point is that in the US, so far, the best answer is to let democracy work. In Hungary, this idea ain't working so great. Check back with me in a year. I am hoping Trump and MAGA are crushed. A lot of historians draw a parallel between now and the Civil War. I buy that. Back then you can argue you needed two things. You needed to let democracy work. And you needed to let war work. Lincoln was a democratic solution to a different form of authoritarianism rooted in upholding slavery, one of the worst crimes against humanity ever. Lincoln is revered today. He also led a successful war. He was also killed for it. These things ain't pretty, for sure. MAGA is not pretty. Harris is trying something interesting. Instead of making Trump bigger like Biden did - "the battle for the soul of our nation" - she is making him small. He's just a small, weird old guy who grabs pussies and keeps bungling everything. He can't talk without a meaningless word salad coming out. He can't lead. In effect, she is telling America, "We are smarter than this. Don't be fooled by dum dums." We'll see how it works.

All true. Granted, you used some of the most extreme examples. But you're right. I was not endorsing right-wing influencers, or saying they are correct. I was simply saying this is nothing new. Your examples prove my point. @lookin's point is that "independent thinkers might be a dying breed." In the Third Reich, independent thinkers were a dying breed. As were Jews, and Gays, and anyone who disagreed with Der Fuhrer. It worked for a while. And then it was crushed. And now it is hated and used forever as an example of the worst people can be. Trump is already remembered as the worst Presidents can be. There's another line I often think about relating to Putin and his disinformation that fits in well here. Trump and right-wing influencers are a threat. But they are also a stress test for democracy. So far, democracy is working.

Quite the contrary. I may have been a bit too cute with the irony in my post. I think you and I see things pretty much the same way. Most of the focus seems to be on the influencers and, in posts gone by, on the authoritarian 'leaders'. And that's appropriate, necessary and fine with me. But I also have been looking closely at authoritarian followers and, lately, on those who are influenced by the social media influencers. Authoritarian followers caused a lot of trouble in Hitler's Germany. I read an account from one of Hitler's secretaries about the day after Hitler committed suicide. Civilian staff in the bunker were slipping away to make it through Berlin toward the American soldiers in the west. Most of the military staff were trying to do the same thing, but many were shot outside the bunker by German soldiers who had taken an oath of loyalty to Hitler and they considered any soldier who wanted to escape to be a traitor and deserving of death. They considered this 'oath of loyalty' to Hitler to be in force, even though Hitler was dead. Those are the kind of authoritarian followers who give me the willies. The Trump followers who marched to the Capitol on January 6th to "Hang Mike Pence" give me the willies too. And, while I'm not as rattled by those who 'follow' the Tenet Media influencers who took money from the Russians to fill their followers' heads with anti-democratic ideas, the day may soon come when I am. A follower with a computer is one thing but a follower with brass knuckles and a gun is quite another. I think it's shortsighted not to understand these authoritarian followers, what makes them tick and, most important, how to make sure they don't end up following someone who wants to mobilize them against what still remains of our democratic society. We definitely need to pay attention to the influencers but, in my opinion, we need to pay attention to the 'influencees'. There are many more of them and, when led down a destructive path, they can tear a nation apart. My preference, of course, would be for a society full of independent thinkers who look at a wide range of information and reach their own conclusions. But history and social research tells us that there will always be a subset of followers. If that's the case, we need to find a way to reach them and make sure they don't get pulled along toward destructive behaviors.

There are flat earth critical thinkers that produce charts and graphs just as impressive as yours. The number of people in the West that believe the earth is flat is growing surprisingly fast, thanks to this brand of influencer. More importantly, I think about recent history where influencers caused genocides in Myanmar and Rwanda. Pre-internet influencers made their mark as well. The Khmer Rouge. The Third Reich. Influencers around the world are demonizing journalists so that more and more are being attacked, even in the US. Is there a problem? Merrick Garland says yes. I agree.

It's a report from @Daniu dated 6 August 2024. Link here: It's a long post, but the relevant passage that Daniu wrote was this: "I ended up leaving and going back to Good Boy to get the other guy who caught my eye the day before. .... "There was a particularly pretty Vietnamese guy. As we walked, he bragged about how he was the #1 boy in the bar. (I should have known then.) He acted like a boy who knew he was pretty. He did everything enough but he didn’t sufficiently hide that they were just going though the motions. Unfortunately, he didn’t seem to really clean his ass, and things didn’t go well. After a clean up we got back to it, and he wasn’t really taking dick well, so I ended up finishing myself. My mistake was that we hadn’t agreed to a price before we left the bar, so I assumed it would be 2000-2500, which is their normal rate. As soon as I gave him 2500 he seemed disappointed, he started demanding an extra 500 because I was too big. Then he somehow started demanding an extra 1000. I held firm because I knew I was already paying enough, and to be honest the service wasn’t really great." I think there have been otherr mentions too (may not be the same boy), but those would have been further back in time, because when I read what Daniu wrote, I got a sense of deja vu, like someone else had earlier reported a very similar incident.

They have to get rid of that ugly pillar

since when prostitution is indecent service ? My father used to say 'work like any other and at least is not dusty"

What’s great about Nine—and why he’s on my repeat-off list—is that he’s got this whole “straight buddy who’s unusually generous with his body” vibe going. Sure, his English is patchy, but he’s so friendly language barrier hardly matters and you almost forget you’re dealing with a bar boy. The whole experience is like hanging out with a mate where things eventually escalated to something sexy (now that is the fantasy!) So there I was, waking up wrapped around this absolute specimen, feeling like I’d won the lottery. Honestly, moments like these are what remind me why I fly all the way to Thailand. All the planning, the flights, the hassle—it all melts away when you wake up to that. After a morning session that nearly made us miss the hotel breakfast, Nine took off—but not before dropping the golden nugget that I could message him directly next time. No need to schlep into the bar—though, of course, I’d still need to pay the off fee. This was music to my ears because by this point in my trip, the bar scene had gone from fun to monotonous and predictable. Skipping the cover fee, the boy drinks, and the tips? Yes, please. And hey, the bar still gets its off fee, so it’s a win-win. Looking for some new inspiration, I scoured the forum and landed on Ganymede Spa. One glowing review from TotallyOz of a certain masseur had me sold, so I made contact. I sent a photo of the guy I was after, and the spa confirmed: Mr. Tony is available and ready. Thinking I was being clever, I grabbed a cheap taxi during off-peak hours. Big mistake. I entered the spa’s location—Pathumwan Resort—into the app, and it led us straight to a random empty lot one block away. Google Maps? Equally useless. My driver was all apologies, pointing frantically at the map, and I decided to just walk it. Asking him to reroute would’ve felt like wandering into a black hole of wasted time. Once I was inside the so-called “resort” (jury’s still out on why they call it that), I had a bit of trouble finding the spa. Turns out, the signage is barely there, and my internal GPS? Not exactly a feature. Tony was already waiting as I chatted with the staff about the packages. The one-hour standard was 700 baht, and they tried to upsell me on a B2B massage for an extra 200 or 300 baht. I passed, and they still filled Tony in on what I’d chosen. The spa was clean, but the communal bathroom was a bit of a downer. For the price, I was expecting a touch more luxury. To be fair, the bathroom did have that high-end look—marble floors and walls, very chic. Tony’s massage was more than decent, and the extras? Well, that forum recommendation didn’t steer me wrong. Tony surprised me with a B2B massage anyway, and who am I to say no to a free upgrade? He was passionate, attentive, and hit all the right spots—literally and figuratively. Oh, and I should mention: Tony is very easy on the eyes. After we were done, we lay there catching our breath, still locked in a pretty cozy embrace. He gestured for me to shower, which I reluctantly did—though I was in for another surprise when Tony followed me in. This wasn’t exactly a private bathroom situation, so it was unexpected but… I wasn’t mad about it. We took turns washing each other, which gave me more chances to admire his, uh, assets and sneak in a few cheeky extras. Needless to say, I made sure Tony’s tip reflected my enthusiastic appreciation for all the pleasant surprises. Feeling pretty pleased with myself, I took a leisurely stroll over to Platinum Mall, just a kilometer away. That’s when I had an epiphany: “Ganymede Spa + Platinum Mall” might just be my new favorite combo, like the way “Chatuchak + Saphan Kwai shops” has always been my go-to weekend pair. By nightfall, #7 from Good Boys shot me a Line message, asking when I’d be taking him off again. I asked what he wanted to do, and I got the classic "up to you" response. After some pressing, he admitted he was sleepy, bored, and just wanted to get out of the bar. A plan I could totally get behind. So, I rolled into Good Boys around 9 p.m. I had a quick chat with the mamasan while lounging on the couch outside, then asked if I could off #7 on the spot. A few minutes later, out came #7 in his street clothes, grinning from ear to ear.

Why do you want to discuss Trump, quoting my opinion about Kamala's personal qualities? My opinion about Trump is known - he is a neo-Nazi. Am I right in understanding that you cannot refute Kamala's weakness and unsuitability for the role of a national leader and the fact of Putin's support for Kamala, and therefore you switch to Trump? Despite Biden's resignation, America still faces a "pick one of the two worst" choice: if you vote for Trump, you support a neo-Nazi; if you vote for Kamala, you are in the same boat as Putin.

I'd rather walk than fly them or Qantas for that matter, both crap airlines.

I was there month in January and 8 days in May and while those type of behavior happened before it was very rare and anecdotic. This time it was repetitive disaster to a point that last Saturday in the morning I caught myself thinking, " o my God , still 5 days before I go home " instead of usual " O my God, only 5 more days and I need to go home". This even surprised myself. No, I'm in no mood to look for excuses that boys have hard lives etc. There was time I was bleeding heart for them . This time is bit different, hence tittle of this thread.

sounds like description of quite a few Thai boys I met on recently finished trip

I like that attitude! Seeing glass half empty instead of half full!

neither did I until I subscribed to the Twitter (X) and LINE Massage Insider forums - several forums run by Thai moderators - all in Thai - where the theme is primarily 100% about massage shops and massage guys throughout Thailand - with the biggest emphasis on Bangkok - of course. By making friends with the local gay Thai guys here from the Dongtan (Jomtien) gay volleyball - where some of them work "freelance" via the Hornet app - an entire new world was opened up to me - as they use a different terminology set to describe: Top -> for them can be Attack, Aggressor Bottom -> for them can be Receiver / Receiving Sex that excludes anal penetration -> Outside -> this one confused me for the longest time as I thought that they were always referring to sex outside - like on the shoreline of the beach after dark. -> they laughed at my naivety - they would tell me - no silly - Outside is sex outside of the anal sphincter So, learning about the local culture and how they express these activities has been an eye opener for me. So, if you do subscribe to any of these Thai forums and use the AI auto translation feature - you will be exposed to these strange terminologies.... enjoy the journey....

Inflation....must be Biden's fault, lol They are asking more and people are paying perhaps....I'm sticking to my pricing, supply vs demand, there's plenty of supply for sure.

I am in Rio right now, it has been my first trip to Brazil. I have visited Rio and Sao Paulo, and now I am spending the last days of vacation in Rio before returning home. Maybe I had too many expectations after carefully reading the forum messages. The saunas are interesting, but many days they are very quiet, and on days when there are more people, there is not much variety. If you don't like them muscular and around 30, it's more complicated for you. so I have been repeating the same ones, which is not bad either. In the sauna the guys are not pushy, in fact, I travel alone, and the first few days I could sit at the bar tables drinking beer without anyone bothering me, just a few looks and suggestive gestures, but if you don't call them, they don't approach you. in a blatant or aggressive way, at least in my case. The experience these days has been interesting, but perhaps, not enough to travel to Brazil again. As Floridarob says, Colombia seems like a more appealing destination. I will try next.

I woke up feeling surprisingly energized after my solitary sleep. Last night’s kerfuffle at Fresh Boys wasn’t ideal, but the upside is that today, I’ve got a full tank of energy to make up for lost time. After brunch, I caught the free hotel shuttle to Saladaeng and got off at Siam station for a leisurely stroll and some visual treats. When I started to feel tired, I ducked into a random coffee shop and browsed through options in Saphan Kwai. 15M’s daily LINE messages and gallery have been particularly tempting lately, so I made an inquiry and eventually chose JJ. His photos are obviously touched up, but I’m hoping for better luck in person. I took the BTS towards Saphan Kwai, exited at number 3, and found the shop just a quick two-minute walk away. As I entered, I noticed several pairs of shoes by the stairwell, so I slipped off mine and headed upstairs. Even from afar, I could spot JJ, and to my satisfaction, his real-life appearance actually outshined his edited photos. After paying at the counter, JJ and I headed off to our temporary love nest. We engaged in the usual small talk—turns out he's from Myanmar. Based on my last few trips, it seems Burmese guys really do it for me. It makes me wonder: if Myanmar’s security situation improved, would it be worth a visit? Or have all the handsome guys already migrated to Thailand? JJ’s massage skills were average, but he was clearly putting in the effort. Thankfully, he switched things up pretty quickly, as the massage wasn’t adding much value. Once things got a bit more exciting, JJ really came into his own. As a "straight" top, he clearly knew what he was doing—unlike others who just go through the motions, often leading to discomfort or no pleasure at all. He offered to climax for an extra 1000, but I politely declined. We continued, taking turns pleasuring each other. At one point, he muttered something in panic, and I realized he couldn’t control himself and started cumming. We both laughed it off, and I threw in a little extra on top of his mandatory tip. That moment replayed in my head on the train ride back to the hotel, leaving me feeling somewhat triumphant and amused. Later that evening, my wanderings led me to Banana Bar. By the time I arrived, the show was already in full swing and the boys are somewhere unseen, so I asked the mamasan if Nine was available (another handsome Burmese guy I offed on my last trip—he’s the one with the gun tattoo on his torso). A few minutes later, Nine appeared, and we exchanged the usual pleasantries while watching the performance. This is where Banana Bar excels—the show is so captivating, though it does tend to overshadow the boys. Nine and I cuddled up while watching, with him sneaking in quick pecks now and then. He was clearly trying to secure an off and I let him play his game, knowing full well I’d be taking him with me anyway. After a while, he asked if I wanted him to come along with me. When I asked for what, he flashed a mischievous smile and said, “for happy happy.” Something about that sexy grin made me realize the show was no longer my main focus, and soon enough, Nine and I were heading back to my hotel.

The alternative was to remain in Pattaya (Jomtien) where I would have been expected to organize a birthday party at one of the local Jomtien Supertown Complex bars and foot the bill. I would have surely had a hangover the next day and no orgasms on my birthday or the day after. With the money that I saved by not remaining in Pattaya I was able to: see and hang out with Vinapu and another forum member, treat myself to a wonderful birthday by pampering and spoiling myself.

Yeah haven't heard from him since, probably back in the UK I didn't really get on with him ,seemed to be a grumpy sort