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Day 3 There is old truth that more time we have , longer we do things. In those 32 minutes I managed to pack, pay T his tip, even take a shower and brush teeth, catch motorsai to bus station to arrive there 5 minutes before bus departure with bkkmfj puzzled what happened with me being absent. But I made it !!! In Bangkok we took usual train plus BTS route to our 1st hotel. Poor bkkmfj decided to follow my insane schedule and booked the same hotels I did for our Bangkok stay. This trip I wanted to check three hotels in the area, almost never mentioned in reports. Every trip I try , to boost my self esteem to book something with more stars and this time it was Pullman G, short walk from Silom/ Narathiwas intersection. This being high rise we both got rooms with the view, mine was 15h floor facing sinful part of Silom, he was lavished with river view from 30th floor. Hour or two after settling down I got visit from ChristianPFC, we always meet at least once during my visits in Thailand. At one point I realized that my last meal was yesterday and it is already darkening today so I called bkkmfj to come down and three of us marched to world acclaimed, Foodland Patpong for a dinner. My first chicken with cashew in Bangkok this trip. Many times it was mentioned that while dining there it’s frequent to meet somebody known. This time it was Christian’s friend who was passing by and dropped for a chat seeing him through the window. After while we parted ways and bkkmfj and me went for grand tour of the area since he is not that familiar with Silom’s gay charms. It was before Tawan reopened so I was curious if their boys will be camping on the corner and yes , at 8 pm two were there already. Talked briefly with one and he said they had hope bar will reopen any day now which as we know happened. Our grand tour was finalized at Dragon bar with drinks with tiny Lao who may be tiny but shy is not. Securing promise of marriage from him we left him in his bar and continued to Jupiter. It’s true to form as usually Jupiter is my first bar I visit in Bangkok and that first visit is most often also last there on that trip. Not much changed. Deafening music, handsome but unsmiling boys who are most time in the shadows bar their three walkabouts. I don’t understand their format but it’s not my business so I hope they know what they are doing. I was hoping to see at least one of their three boys but as it happened none of those was present. So in there days in Thailand I counted already 6 boys I wanted to see to no avail. Definitely before next trip I won’t be making any plans of whom to see and will leave all to a chance. I noticed a lot of new guys on the roster which is always good news. One most eye catching got 100 baht tip during walkabout and during next one he happened to stand on the scene right in front of me but did not even bother to look at me , fact which even bkkmfj noticed. This is how some customers guys are wasting money I thought about myself. But there was bright moment. In front of us was sitting youngish Chinese. At one point mamasan brought to him boy whose face was familiar. Tam !, guy I offed on my first night of the trip last July. He recognized me as well, smiled broadly and when they were leaving he whispered something to his customer who nod approvingly and came to me smiling to shake hands. This is what I call proper customer treatment ! So I left Jupiter empty handed but smiling. In the soi bkkmfj announced desire to go home but I decided to check what is inside of Banana club hoping certain Vu Thy will be there but no, 7th no show this trip. Few guys recognized me but unfortunately tragically underfed so not my type but there was one is the shadows who was trying to get eye contact, then smile, in short was expressing an interest I emptying at least one of my pocket so , ever willing to help, I motioned him over. Brief inspection was fruitful so I asked about long time which was approved immediately but that can’t be said about tip he quoted (5000 ) . Somehow I managed to bring it to a reasonable 3500 by simply quoting that and it took a while before it was approved . Soon of we went with no word of complaining about longish walk to my hotel.

Day 4, part 1 He turned up to be early riser which suited me well as I like morning gymnastics and then we went for a hotel provided breakfast. I was surprised how busy it was at 7 am but no, I did not notice any traces of disapproving looks when we sat together. At 9 am I got call from bkkmfj who claimed to be alone so I went down to restaurant again to accompany him at his meal and trade latest gossips. We decided to try Jey Spa early afternoon so upon returning to the room I Lined Jey with our selection stressing that those are separate bookings in case they had other idea . I was waiting a bit for response in respect of bkkmfj selection due to boy not responding but mamas an suspected that he simply is still asleep. Our next hotel is Heavens Boutique. Seems to be new venue with excellent location , right at the entrance to Silom Plaza by the escalator. For Arena or Best massage lovers that is dream come true place. Rooms weren’t ready so we left our goods on reception and went to Jey Spa for our 2 pm appointments. While walking to soi 43 along Suhumvit I got Line message “ your guys arrived already” . This is what we call proper customer care. My choice while not exactly cheap at tip 2500 for 1.5 hr was worth every baht . Super built , not shy at all and well trained masseur. As a bonus very good English. And most important – as his colleague I hired in Boyztown 2 days ago, clearly catching what his client likes and what he doesn’t. He gave me homework I was busy with thinking about for next 3 days : sensing I may be interested in all night cuddling he proposed it but quoted very prohibitive price of 10000. No, I was not shocked seeing and feeling body I had with me but it was well above my self imposed limit so all I could say was I will think about it (yes, I tried to bargain it down with counteroffer but he declined it in most polite way but it was firm decline ). Next three day I was pondering my choices but at end of it I kept to my limit and while happy with that , to this day I’m not 100% sure skipping it was the best I could do for myself. Call me crazy if you want but I know what I know. Returning to hotel I was in Cloud 8.5. Rooms were ready, bkkmfj was complaining about bit of strange smell from his bathroom but my room was trouble free. Furniture was new and whole place looked as recently opened , only inconvenience being that rooms are windowless. Only piece of thick glass somewhere allows to notice daylight so it’s not claustrophobic like some rooms at Bally Silom are. Since that hotel is unheralded here so far , below are some pictures. to be continued tomorrow but rest assured those beds were utilized

Jupiter has more customers than Moonlight, including casual straight tourists who are there just to watch the shows and enjoy the model walks. Regular singer Poppy is away for 2 weeks. Mamasan said that he went for facelift! So his partner PJ is singing on his own. Jupiter has policy of reserving best seats for customers who buy bottles. Hence, I invested in one bottle of Jonnie Walker and had good seats for the 3 nights I was there. I was there with forum member on one night and we both agreed that some of the waiters are more yummy than the models. When I asked about off fee and expected tip for waiters, mamasan said, "Off fee 500 baht. Tip 3000 baht. But can only go with customer after show finish at 1 a.m." We have to wait to off them? Needless to say, we didn't off any waiter. We sat and drank with two models and it was an entertaining hour with them. We tipped them for their time before heading to another bar.

I was at Hotmale Beer Bar downstairs facing Sol Bar on its last night of operation. There were ladyboy performers standing outside to attract customers. It did not look it would be closing. But the very next night, it was totally closed. "Bar close," one of the Hotmale Beer Bar waiters said. "But it was busy yesterday night. Why bar close?" I asked. Waiter just shrugged his shoulders. Without Sol Bar, that part of Gay Patpong has become much quieter. Moonlight has few customers during the two nights I was there. Babe and models are there but they are not appearing in as many performances as usual. There are some performances where the "normal" Moonlight guys would dance next to the ladyboy singing. From my conversation with manager, it seems they are cutting costs. The bar can pay less per performance for the "normal" Moonlight guys as compared to paying for the models. Even though there are few customers, there are still big spenders. I was seated near to a trio of Chinese customers - two guys and a lady. When it was time to pay, I saw the bill - 16,200 baht!

I recently stayed at the Raya with Vinapu and all was normal. My room at the back of the hallway on floor 6 overlooked the transformation of our beloved soi Twilight into hotel/shopping ? and none of the construction noise bothered me or made my stay there unpleasant. I LOVED the Raya - especially when I brought 2 guys back to my room on 2 different occasions when they put on a sexy show in the "in the middle of the suite" all glass shower - truly a turn on for what was to cum - oops come....

Last week had four days in Bangkok - stayed at Tarntawan - deluxe room was okay but myself being older getting in and out of the tub/shower needed caution - no useful rails. I ventured for old.time sake to Super A on the first night for an hour. About 8 lads there all wearing white shirts. Looked like reasonably new settees along the wall with several tables. Super A gone upmarket ?? A different vibe from 5 or so.years ago although the upstairs room stil available and the annoying habit of the mamasans sittng closeby remains.Off fee 500 thb. Drinks 200 thb. Moved on to Freshboys - saw some of the show, Nice boys dressed in white shorts. A tall lean Viet lad who does the shows always takes my interest No 28. I find the shows there entertaining and varied - lots of nakedness and action. But the frequent requests for a drink or tip from others even when you have a lad sitting.with you becomes wearing. The cabaret diva dressed in red was spectacular. 400 thb drinks After that i went to a very crowded GoodBoys ( exScrewboys).20+ plus lads dressed in white briefs. My fancy was taken by short slim moustached tattooed lad who was great company. The shows there seems to be cabaret focussed with a few intermittent boy (?) acts - i get the impression these acts are part of a circuit troupe. I returned the next night and the place was about one third full Sadly I succumbed to Bangkok belly next day and all fun activities ceased Photos of work at Raya Hotel - and the old Soi - and added.extras at Tarntawan

I just came back from a two-week trip to Bangkok. I visited all the bars at night. I also discovered some interesting places to go to. I won't be writing a chronological and detailed trip report as I have to get back to work after holiday. Sorry! This will just be a summary broken up into parts.

Day 2 Turned out not a bad meeting. He was not in rush in the morning which I like and was clearly happy with his tip and immediately asked about repeat tonight. I was politely noncommitted , if only because T suggested tonight he will be free to come. He left at 9.30 , declined hotel breakfast invitation so I had it alone. It started raining but I promised bkkmfj I will buy tickets to Swampy for noon tomorrow so off I went, it was just rain , not tropical deluge. There’s bank by bus stion so I went there to exchange 100 euro and asked to get it all , 4400 in red notes to which they happily obliged. I need something to stuff my multiple pockets I guess. When approaching hotel surprisingly T emerged from the alley on his way to the shop. I gave him 300 massage fee and asked him to come to my room in few minutes. We both were happy with such reunion. Of course I secured his presence for long time tonight. He promised to show up at end of his shift after closing the shop. Then jet lag reminded about it’s existence and I slept rest of day till dark. Next step was another trip to Boyztown hoping that tattooed hunk , noticed last evening, will be offering his massages today as well. As soon as I approached soi I saw him and noticed increase heart beat rate. 1.5 hr for 1500 was his charge and I motioned him to go. In short, one of best things I did this trip. Body was superb and so was massage. He also had well developed 6th sense and noticed what I like and what I don’t. When time come to turn over I suggested that he must be tired so we better skip that part in exchange for not exactly hand holding session. Wow as they say. If I stay in Pattaya longer I guess I know what I will be spending my time with. Not only I liked him but also was impressed by personality , body and skills. After that memorable session I went to BoyzBoyzBoyz for a show welcomed my mamasan who recognized me from days of old and mentioned names of at least two boys I offed from there in the past. Scene was packed but with exception of two bare-chested, all boys were fully dressed, jeans and long sleeves. Bar was ¾ full , mostly with usual Chinese visitors and quite a few boys were sitting with girls and drinking. Another reminder that this is boy, not gay bar. Art, one of bare chested got a tip , another went to guy who tried to get my attention by smiling in my direction, both by way of patented Vinapu tuck. Show was similar to one I saw multiple times but BBoys were impressive as always. I was set for tonight but with off fee of 1000 baht even if I weren’t I’d not be in mood to off from there. While going to songtaew I noticed impressive hunk outside of ABomb. That would be worth 1000 baht off fee perhaps. I arrived in Agate few minutes before agreed time and T showed up in few minutes, suggested he will go and buy some beers and managed to do it somewhere even if it was past midnight deadline. I decided not to ask any questions where . We had great time together, so great that when I waked up it was 11.28 am.

Tittle is misleading but was given to this trip by our member bkkmfj who accompanied me to Bangkok during this short, 2 days in Pattaya and 6 in Bangkok trip to Thailand last month. I think only terrorizing part were 3 hotel changes three days in row but I booked those before he decided to join in and to sweeten whole thing , all were walking distance from each other. Day 1 This time I arrived by KLM from Amsterdam and arrival time was great , at 9.30 in the morning. There was no line up to immigration at all, I just walked in to get stamped and had even option of choosing one of three officers. No waiting for luggage as I was with carry on only. Buying SIM card took few minutes and I found myself with almost 2 hours to kill before my Jomtien bus departure scheduled at noon. This trip I decided to try something new for me i.e. going to Pattaya straight from airport. With excess time I went to train station to exchange some money, then ate something in coupon restaurant by gate 8 and went to the booth to exchange my bus reservation for an actual ticked as instructed when booked on website. I got moment of enlightenment since it was 10.45 and asked if I can get seat on 11.00 am bus. Luckily , there was seat but I was charged extra 50 baht for changing reservation. Around 1 pm I was already marching to Agate hotel in Jomtien Complex where room was already waiting for me. After desoiling I went to 7/11 across the street for some goodies and decided to see N, my semi regular there at his massage place nearby. No sign of him, as I learned later he went to see his folks at home for few days but consolation was at hand at the same shop. T, whom I never got pleasure with before but got good feedback about from one of our members was at hand so of we went for 1.5 hr session, 400+1200 tip. I was happy to discover that recommendation was very accurate. Got his Line with intention of asking him for long time in case none of guys I was hoping to see at Dreamboys would not be available. Either tonight or tomorrow. It was darkening when I took songtaew to Boyztown where I had a dinner is one of Indian restaurants there. Chicken with cashews there had some distinctive taste likely due to use some Indian spices but it was great tasting anyways. Then to Copa to claim my room. As advised in some thread in spring , in Pattaya to avoid travelling between Jomtien and Boyztown I often rent cheap 2nd room at either end. Handy just in case either boy or myself doesn’t feel like traveling in the middle of the night. As mentioned above I hoped to see #36 and #37 at Dreamboys. #36 was my outstanding companion when I was there in January. I did not have pleasure with #37 then but saw him in the bar waiting for his customer and he was extremely handsome HUNK. On top of that I got recommendation from trusted member who had better luck and engaged him at Christmas time. After obtaining key I parked myself with beer on Copa’s terrace where shortly bkkmfj joined me for a chat and ironing our trip to Bangkok after tomorrow. We both noticed very attractive tattooed massage freelancer offering his services in the soi while sitting on his motorbike. At 10pm we went to Dreamboys , me full of hope and excited with anticipation but as soon as we sat down it was explained to me that neither boys I planned to see is no longer there. So much about dreaming about boys at home, first day and already 3 boys from the list MIA. Disappointed , after we emptied our drinks I suggested checking show at Xboys and it was great idea as show was very progressive with, ahem, some risky numbers. A , veteran there recognized me but still smarting after Dreamboys fiasco I was in no mood to take him with me tonight although he is worth every penny he may ask for. Great body and personality as well as very qualified to participate in big c…k show. We returned to Jomtien complex where I have some hope, guy I saw on Grinder, hunk who likes kissing by his own admission on the profile. Bkkmfj knew who I’m talking about and even knew bar he is usually sitting but at that time of night he was gone. Another disappointment. But wait, I still have Line of T, the masseur and it was time when his shift should be over so I lined him but answer was “cannot tonight , can tomorrow “ . Ouch. So I gave up hope of having somebody tonight and went to 7/11 to eat problem out with some sandwich. Then I got stubborn and while munching outside hotel I fired up Grindr and found somebody I liked. “ I sleep with you if you give me money “ was the answer to obvious question. How much ? 1500. Waiting for you said I. In 10 minutes he showed up. Not looking exactly as in profile with face less cute but built more substantial than I anticipated. So off we went to my room to check recent acquisition to my and his stamp collections. And it’s how day 1 was over.

I don't know how it is in other countries but in Mexico when I asked it was about 3 times of ST fee. Also spoon once remarked that LT in extremely good value in Thailand compared to Malaysia. Days of 3000 LT, in Bangkok bars at least, may be slowly coming to an end but still LT remains very good value. And believe me , that 10000 while shocking in terms of number of zeros seemed in line with what guy in question had to offer. I was not shocked, only inclined to stick to my self imposed limit of half of that price. Glad I did but still not 100% sure.\ I have personal story of missed opportunity which haunts me for 30 years. While on Easter Island I saw beautiful carving and price quoted seemed for me prohibitive at that time so I gave up. After thinking it over, I decided to splurge and returned to the store to be greeted by seller with annunciation it was sold 2 hrs ago. I did not notice that saving thus obtained helped me much in life and now usually if I like something or somebody I go for it.

you should and I have feeling you'd like it there but you youngsters those days are lacking strength and don't take well sleep deprivation, opposite to us seniors used to sleep with open window facing 16 lane highway😊

It's sold... story from https://thaisiamonline.wixsite.com/sansuk/publicity Punya met his lover, Howard, in Bangkok. They eventually moved and spent ten years together in the USA. Howard, who had been a stock broker, taught Punya how to invest in the Thai stock market. Punya was a good student and after Howard passed away, Punya invested his profits in a four story building on Soi VC in Pattaya, which became the highly successful Howard’s Guest House and Bar. Many customers would inquire where there was a gay sauna in Pattaya. As there weren’t any, Punya’s entrepreneurial instincts kicked in and the rest, as they say, is history. The sauna opened about a year later and shortly after, the guest house opened its doors. When Punya sold Howard’s six years later, he used the proceeds to do extensive renovations to the sauna and build the new eight story addition to the guest house.

I recall at least one case of hosting such law breaker. Upon removing jeans it was clear that he doesn't have underwear. I'm so relieved he was not arrested and jailed as he was one of my best boys ever ( was because he is not on the scene anymore )

Hello everyone, I am new to these forums and I would be happy to get to know y'all a bit better. I am happy to share some first hand knowledge of the situation in Myanmar. Now as to the security situation in Myanmar (Burma) it is relatively stable in Yangon and Mandalay, stories of violence and beheadings are not happening here, and won't happen in the foreseeable future, but the situation in the rest of the country has deteriorated since November 2023 to the point where it is really not advisable to travel to other regions. The hotels in Ngapali beach are closed due to the intense fighting in Rakhine state and the land borders are also being fought over with ethnic armed groups who holds sway over the borderlands. The junta is not in a good spot and has responded by introducing a military conscription law that has seen thousands of young men fleeing the country or taking up studies. There has also been a crackdown on the use of VPNs very recently. In practice the major VPNs (like ExpressVPN) are difficult to use and you have to juggle between several servers to find one that works. As a result Facebook, IG, Whatsapp and also to a certain extent X are not being used as widely anymore. People are increasingly using Telegram and Viber for communications, but the junta can crack down on those too. This means that being in Myanmar is highly context dependent. You can't rely on X, FB and the usual sources for info as they may be outdated or non-functional. Levels of English can vary widely. Schooling was never good in Myanmar and English instruction was patchy, unless pupils received instruction in an illicit missionary school. The ones that are really good in English are working abroad anyway now. The departure of western businesses and organizations also means that there are less services that caters to and accessible to non-locals. Also note that the economy is turning completely cash based, few foreign credit cards work here. Grindr works and you can use it. But note that homosexual acts are illegal in Myanmar, and you should be cautious in using the apps so you don't end up being extorted by locals that are increasingly desperate. If you want to sample Myanmar boys, you can find a lot of them in Bangkok. "Golf" that is seen on a few of the higher end massage places in Bangkok, like GooGuy or Aurora is from Myanmar (see attached pic).

I have a partner and when he does have time to travel with me , refuses to stay in any hotel that doesn't provide breakfast!!😂 Makes it awkward because I love my cheese n ham toasties from 711. "So your idea " , he says "is to sit on the 711 steps and eat cheese n ham toasties ? Yes !😁

I leave all of them alone and stick with 24+ with no need to worry about legal or hotel reception niceties

I thought I'd add my experience about sauna Thermas as I've been going there for a few years now. I remember being very nervous the first time! You pay the entree fee, get a key with a locker number and go change. Once you are changed you go down the stairs where the working boys will be waiting or wandering around, and on the bottom most level there's a pool and bar. Some providers will approach you, some won't. If you see someone you like just say "Hey" to them and they will most likely lead the conversation. Clearly state what you want to happen (suck their dick, have them suck you, get fucked, fuck them, kiss or not,...) and confirm these are things he offers or not (all providers have different limits and things they offer). The standard is 50 euro for one session, no matter what the activity (usually, with some exceptions noted later on), excluding the provider's ejaculation (if you want them to ejaculate, tell them as it's extra money, usually 50 euro extra). There are "strict" tops who sometimes propose to let you fuck them for double the money (so 100 instead of 50 euro for 1 session. I suggest to not do this as they are often not good at bottoming and to search for a true versatile or bottom provider). If kissing is important to you, ask them to demonstrate to you how they kiss during the conversation. It's forward, yes, but a good kisser will happily oblige and it can save you from disappointment as I've had providers give halfhearted pecks once the session started (when I didn't ask them to show me before). A session lasts around 20 to 30 minutes (but you as the client should keep track. Most providers will make the session shorter if you don't). The rule of thumb is that it's 50 euro per 30 minutes. So if you were to engage a provider for one hour, it's expected you pay him 100 euro. But always confirm price and duration before starting the session. Some will (jokingly) ask for a tip beforehand, which I always politely decline. Once you've agreed on everything, it's time to start the session. For this you have 2 options. There are free cabins on the first basement, they have a fixed bench with thin mattresses on them. Some clients find them uncomfortable, for me they work fine. I suggest using the cabins on the left of the stairs (when facing with your back to the stairs) as these have better lighting in them and there are larger cabins. Just ask the provider to get you a larger cabin and they will look for it. Most of the time the larger cabins are in use by providers who are on break (smoking and chatting). You can also pay for a room. This is always by the hour and they come at various prices, depending on the size. All rooms have a full bed in them with linen and towels so the more expensive ones are simply larger. The comfort remains the same. The price list for the rooms is visible at the entry. After you are done with the session some providers will take a shower with you, some won't. Then you both go the top floor (street level) where the lockers are. You then get the money from your locker. The provider will be waiting for you in the bathroom next to the entrance (you can't miss it, it will be very clear where it is) and you give them the money there. I don't know why that is the spot but it's been that spot for as long as I've gone there. The providers don't mind it if you have your phone with you (I use it for Google translate). If you had a great time with a provider, I suggest you buy them a drink at the bar (if they're not otherwhise engaged with another client). I find it nice chatting to the guys and getting to know them. I totally understand one might be nervous going for the first time, but I've found that most everyone there (from the staff to the providers) are friendly and want to help you relax because happy, relaxed clients spend more money 😉 Ideal times to go are any day between 4pm and 8pm. The busiest days (with the largest number of providers, but also the most clients) are (usually) Wednesday but definitely Friday and Saturday, same time (4pm till 8pm). Outside these hours there will rarely be providers in the sauna. Hope this helped!

No problem Well what I meant is that they have always been clear about sucking. If they don't do it, they always said so before. But yes, with kissing it was a different experience. A good advice from another client, if kissing is important to you, is to ask the boy to show you how he kisses before agreeing to the session. The good kissers will gladly show you.

It was good for me to learn the layout of that area of Bangkok - and thanks to us constantly moving from one hotel to another - I definitely obtained a feel for that area - especially when we finished at the Raya - as that was so easily located "almost" adjacent to Moonlight and the UNESCO Food Land. Excellent location. I should of went with you as I missed that opportunity to see the Banana club - but I was cooked and I needed to sleep for what was to cum on the following days :>) Vinapu, I understand you COMPLETELY - as it was hard for me to decide "yes" or "no" to bring that HOT Cambodian Khim guy to Pattaya - as his price was in the same range as your guy from Jey Spa. Khim put it to me this way --> I get 2 to 3 customers per day here in the ghetto of Sala Deng - so, if I go to Pattaya - I need to be compensated for what I give up in BKK. That was very fair and in the end I agreed to bring him to Pattaya for 3 glorious full days - because I could see and appreciate his body both in the bedroom of my condo and ALSO on the lovely white sands blue turquoise waters of Koh Larn - and seeing his great muscle body on the beach was so much better than when I saw him naked in my Raya shower back in Bangkok. Nature seems to bring out the Tarzan beauty of these studs.

NOTE — Have you ever wondered why some boys wear dual sets of underwear? From Pattaya News By Adam Judd In the land of smiles, Thailand, where the sun shines bright and the beaches beckon, there exists a law that has raised many an eyebrow. It’s the infamous underwear law, a regulation that insists on the wearing of undergarments whenever one steps out of their abode. Now, before you dismiss this as mere hearsay or the stuff of urban legends, let’s delve into this peculiar piece of legislation with a mix of earnest inquiry and a pinch of humor. At its core, the underwear law is not technically enshrined in Thai statutes but rather emerges from the depths of social customs and expectations. It’s an unwritten rule that whispers from the paddy fields of rural Thailand to the bustling streets of Bangkok: “Thou shalt not venture forth sans underpants.” The rationale? A blend of modesty, hygiene, and perhaps a dash of superstition—after all, who wants to risk offending the spirits with indecent exposure? While the law may sound like it’s straight out of a comedy sketch, it’s not actively enforced by the Thai police. You won’t find officers conducting spot checks for skivvies or setting up underwear checkpoints. However, it’s worth noting that in certain conservative communities, going commando might earn you some disapproving tuts and possibly a lesson in propriety from the local elders. In Thailand, respect for tradition and social norms is paramount. The underwear mandate is less about legal enforcement and more about adhering to societal expectations. It’s akin to an unspoken agreement among Thais to maintain a certain level of decorum in public spaces—kind of like not slurping your soup too loudly at a formal dinner. Now, what about our revered Buddhist monks? Surely they’re not subject to such worldly concerns? Indeed, monks are often seen as living beyond the material trappings of society, including, it seems, undergarments. Their religious attire, designed for simplicity and modesty, likely exempts them from this peculiar regulation. In conclusion, while you’re unlikely to be fined for flouting the underwear law during your Thai adventures, it’s probably wise to err on the side of caution—and comfort. So there you have it—a lighthearted look at one of Thailand’s most talked-about (but least enforced) regulations.

From CNN Hong KongCNN — Interested in capping off your trip to Hong Kong with a long weekend in Beijing or Shanghai? A new high-speed sleeper train service is making that possibility easier than ever. Two new overnight routes connecting the city with Beijing and Shanghai entered into service on June 15. Both trains depart Hong Kong West Kowloon Station in the evening and arrive in Beijing at 6.53 a.m. and Shanghai at 6.45 a.m., making the journeys around 12.5 hours and 11 hours respectively. Return trips depart from Beijing and Shanghai at around 8 p.m. and arrive in Hong Kong at 8.47 a.m. and 7.29 a.m. These routes run four days a week, departing all three stations every evening from Friday to Monday. “It will be more comfortable and faster, reducing the travel time by about half, and will cover a wider range of destinations, including popular tourist attraction cities,” John Lee, Hong Kong’s chief executive, said in a press statement, referring to the previous overnight train routes that connected Hong Kong with China’s two biggest cities. Those intercity railway services, Beijing-Kowloon and Shanghai-Kowloon, launched in 1997. The train ride to China’s capital took around 24 hours while the journey to Shanghai was about 19 hours. Prices range from HKD937 to HKD1,506 ($120-$193) for the Hong Kong-Beijing route and HKD682 to HKD2,128 ($88-273) for the Hong Kong-Shanghai route. But while the new trips do indeed slash the overnight travel time by almost half, the high-speed sleeper services take slightly longer than the daytime bullet trains already in service connecting Hong Kong and the two cities in mainland China. Currently, the train company operates one daily high-speed connection to Beijing, which takes around 8.5 hours, and one to Shanghai, which is around 7.5 hours.

As a law-abiding tourist, I know that you earnestly check all fellow stamp collectors for adherence to tradition before showing them what you keep under cover. 🙂

Regretfully none include opportunity for sex adventurism, for which many readers here have when making their assessments.

What is meant by an adult. It is arguable that anyone over 18 is an adult. In any event your comment seems odd, when most, if not all, of the members here are, in one way or another, looking for sex with younger guys. Can I assume that you are only looking for companions of your own age?

Seems like that's the correct term after all..... Group Names Antelope: a herd Ants: a colony or an army Apes: a shrewdness Baboons: a troop Badgers: a cete Bass: a shoal Bats: a colony, cloud or cauldron Bears: a sloth or sleuth; Cubs: a litter Beavers: a colony Bees: a swarm Boar: a sounder Boys: a gaggle or gaggles when there are multiple Buffalo: a gang or obstinacy Camels: a caravan Caterpillars: an army Cats: a clowder, glaring, pounce, nuisance or clutter; Kittens: a litter or kindle; Wild cats: a destruction Cattle: a herd or drove Cheetahs: a coalition Chickens: a brood or peep; Chicks: a clutch or chattering Clams: a bed Cobras: a quiver Colts: a rag Cows: a kine, drove, herd or fold; twelve or more cows are a flink Coyotes: a band Cranes: a sedge Crocodiles: a float or bask Crows: a murder Deer: a herd Dogs: a pack or cowardice; Puppies: a litter Dolphins: a pod Donkeys: a drove Doves: a dule Ducks: a brace, paddling or team Eagles: a convocation Elephants: a herd or parade Elk: a gang or herd Emus: a mob Falcons: a cast Ferrets: a business or fesnyng Finches: a charm Fish: a school, shoal, run, haul or catch Flamingos: a stand or flamboyance Flies: a swarm, hatch or business Foxes: a skulk or leash Frogs: an army or a colony Geese: a gaggle or flock, a skein when in flight Giraffes: a tower Gnats: a cloud or horde Goats: a herd, tribe or trip Goldfinches: a charm Goldfish: a troubling Gorillas: a band Grasshoppers: a cloud Greyhounds: a leach Hares: a down or husk Hawks: a cast or kettle Hippopotami: a bloat or thunder Hogs: a drift or parcel Horses: a team or harras Hounds: a pack, mute or cry Hyenas: a cackle Jaguars: a shadow Jellyfish: a smack or brood Kangaroos: a troop or mob Larks: an ascension or exaltation Lemurs: a conspiracy Leopards: a leap Lice: a flock Lions: a pride Locust: a plague or cloud Magpies: a tiding or tittering Mallards: a sord Manatees: an aggregation Mares: a stud Martens: a richness Minnows: a steam Moles: a labor Monkeys: a barrel, cartload or troop Mules: a pack, barren or span Nightingales: a watch Otters: a family, romp or raft Owls: a parliament Oxen: a team or yoke Oysters: a bed Parrots: a pandemonium or company Partridges: a covey Peacocks: a muster or ostentation Penguins: a colony Pheasants: a nest, nide or bouquet Pigeons: a flock or flights Pigs: a drift or drove (younger pigs), or a sounder, litter or team (older pigs) Ponies: a string Porcupines: a prickle Rabbits: a colony or warren Raccoons: a gaze Rats: a colony, pack, swarm or mischief Rattlesnakes: a rhumba Ravens: an unkindness Rhinoceroses: a crash Sharks: a shiver Sheep: a drove or flock Skunks: a stench Snakes: a nest or knot Sparrows: a host Squirrels: a dray or scurry Starlings: a murmuration Stingrays: a fever Storks: a mustering Swans: a bevy or lamentation, a wedge when in flight Tigers: an ambush or a streak Toads: a knot or knab Trout: a hover Turkeys: a gang, posse or rafter Turtles: a bale or nest Vultures: a venue Wasps: a pledge Weasels: a colony, gang or pack Whales: a pod, school or gam Wolves: a pack or route Wombats: a wisdom Woodpeckers: a descent Zebras: a zeal

while I agree , can't note that some are perhaps too friendly and too approachable which creates another problem- how to walk by without being pestered.

not sure I should be offended or happy with another boost to my self -esteem, never exactly very low

No I was recently in Manila last month I had no one ask anything about Covid I will be going back in a few months so hopefully can do a report

Was the skinny guy your Fichero from La Colorina? It all sounds fun, I think I will try Monterrey. Have a wedding to attend in Guadalajara in late November... stop at Monterrey for a week before heading back to the Bay Area

my was also on 6th floor facing Suriwong and also nothing bothered me there noise wise. I lover Raya because it's location as well as their entry system. You use card to access an elevator, even if moving between floors and you can bypass reception completely which adds to discretion of whole place. Also service elevator in the parking lot in the back can be used 7/24 although it seems that did away with habit of closing front access between 6/24. Thing one needs to be aware is that they will require 1000 baht deposit so better be prepared , Raya is also notorious for adhering to 3 pm check in time but we were pleasantly surprised that they let us in when we showed up at noon.

perhaps too may are subscribing to theory verbalized below?

yes, it was cheapest option and since it was only one night I decided to gamble that bed is wide enough for two. It worked as it will be reported very soon.

of all people you were actually privy to my hair splitting over the issue. As for Khim, it looks that he , after collecting his fees from you disappeared from Grindr offerings at least temporarily. In those matters I'm firm believer in market economy and both sides have full right to their own calculations based on own criteria. Sometimes we gamble, sometimes them. Whether story about 2-3 customers a day, in his case very plausible I agree, is true or fabricated , is also irrelevant. He put his price , you accepted and it seems you are very happy with what you received in exchange. This is all what counts.

It was always not that way! Some years ago one or two guys would organize a get together to which any and all were invited and, sometimes drinks were free to one and all. But as time went on this dwindled away with the diminishing gay scene. Even more recently gay bar owners sponsored a party night with free food for anyone and some still do. But, no doubt, it is increasing difficult to break into the social network.

I read this rumour in the Romeo group. It was posted yesterday with the OP asking the question in German. There has been on reply since (also in German) from someone saying: "In February everything was still the same... including the owner who follows you around :-) It would be a real shame if that changed." Maybe that reply came from one of the group! I must admit, having never been to Sansuk, I have been reading the Google reviews and and didn't come across any rumour about the owner moving on. m Februar war noch alles beim Alten... auch der Besitzer der einem nachläuft 🙂 Wäre echt schade wenn sich das geändert ha

remember that one statistic sample is not a base to formulate hypothesis. It could be that guy assessed you as in need of serious massage and nothing else. I had similar case in that popular shop by Phaya Thai station ( name escaped me, Gentleman spa? ) when engaged guy about I knew from trusted source is adventurous and yet as you say it "adhered to most formal protocol ", only deviation was he was still looking for debaucherous level of service tip.

I'd like to see a client do that: fondling a dick with one hand, holding google trnsltr with the other. (-:

In my experience the guys always have their own condoms with them or the guys will get them at the bar. Since the guy has/gets the condoms, I assume they will be the correct size for him. The only thing I bring myself is lube as the lube they have is in small packets and I find it clumsy to work with.

JD100 and I have already met several times. JD wrote in this forum back in December/January that he was moving from Argentina to Pattaya and solicited to meet other expats. I responded to that request. I have introduced JD to the bar that I hang out the most in at the Jomtien Supertown Complex and he seems to like it. I also took JD to see the M2M show and we had a great time. I also asked JD to accompany me at the Pattaya Community Pride event that took place on 8 June 2024. Unfortunately, in this area of making friends with the local expat community - I was not successful and I actually gave up last year. I now have more than enough Thai friends to keep me busy and I am happy with that outcome. My experience with the local expat community is that they are very reserved and guarded and ironically I see that I have become that way as well with other expats - except for JD 😘 I cannot explain this phenomena. I note that in the heterosexual community that Pattaya is very good at getting that community organized with ""welcome to Pattaya" events that are held weekly so that the new heterosexuals can meet each other and integrate into the larger Pattaya heterosexual community. I see that in the Pattaya gay world that this is non-existent. I do not know if it has always been this way and I do not know why it is like this? Anyone know ?

One of my close volleyball friends works at Sansuk and I asked him today if the Sansuk has a new owner and he said that the staff were not aware of such news. I asked him to ask Punya to comment on this gossip. Also, note that the sauna part of the complex is very busy and the hotel side of the business is experiencing normal levels of occupancy expected for low season.

@ 10.000 for LT. I am always surprised how cheap LT compared to ST in Thailand is. 2000 ST, 3000 LT, thats just 50% more for the whole night. Is there any other place in the world where LT costs only 50% more than ST?

I think Raya Hotel is not affected by any work (other than construction noise) because the unit that says "Space for rent" was not part of the hotel. That shop has been empty for a long time, since before Covid, I think. It may now have a new tenant. Dare we hope for a new gogo bar (with boys, not girls!) ?

Well, well, I had no idea! You learn something every day!

Just woke up!

I think you're talking about expats of any age for chat, not sex. If that's so, stop by Cock a 2 bar in Jomtien Complex. There is usually a lcommunal table set out front and the owner Rob, from Australia might be hosting various people that come and go, have a drink a chat....he's super friendly and likeable , you might even get to meet the notorious @gayinpattaya sitting there, he's really much nicer in person, just don't talk about politics with him , you'll walk away wondering , wtf just happened, lol

OR a 40 minute "moan" if you picked the wrong Soit 4 local Thai companion to bring back and you decided to walk it as you fancied a wee "dander" in the night air before bed and he cried all the way back with you about "OMG, why you no not get us a motobike, your hotel too far for walking, how much further o your hotel anyway - as I never been there yet so I dont know it !!" Yeah RIGHT SURE you haven't ! lol

Hi Marc308, What is your opinion on the current format in year 2024 of BBB ? I agree that back in the day, Jim got it right - BBB was the proper good anchor to Boyztown - especially with the 9pm marching parade of the delicious sexy guys. It was truely tantalizing. Nowadays, BBB has become boring - as it is primarily focused on the Chinese tourist bus trade with screaming women. The sexy guy parade is long gone. Boyztown has lost its former excitement.

The "system" in Japanese massage businesses is not always consistent. They vary from one shop to another. I don't know what your experiences have been, so it's not easy for me to explain how different Thailand is compared to your Japanese experiences - in other words, what's your baseline to which one should compare? Washing the client is indeed common in Japan - but that is really a manifestation of the Japanese concern about cleanliness; it is rarely done erotically. My experience in Japan is that some places have boys who can actually do a massage. Others use the term "massage" to mean something else. And some shops offer a service that is sort of in-between. Therefore I am not sure what you have in your mind as the Japanese style of services. However, your mention of body to body perhaps indicates the latter. Ditto, in Bangkok there is thai massage, there is oil massage, there is sort-of-massage, there is "massage", "four hands massage" and there is "Oh my God, massage!" The service style varies hugely from one shop to another. The quality of facilities also vary hugely, and in fact, most Thai facilities (and Vietnamese) are better than Japanese, though the Japanese facilities are still a thousand times better than what one finds in ("shouldn't this have been condemned by the Fire Department?") Kuala Lumpur or Manila. My blog has numerous posts describing many of these places and the "system" that comes with them. Some do not end in sexual activity. Regular visitors seldom realise how complicated the Bangkok scene may took to new visitors. So, let's get you better advice. But to begin, pick a category that most interests you and then the regulars on this board will guide you where to go. 1. Professional quality massage by trained and certified therapists. They remain in their clothes throughout the session. They ensure that your private parts are always covered and there is no touching. 2. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to give clients a handjob, after negotiating the rate (done in whispers) inside the room. 3. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to take them off and do considerably more, after negotiating the rate inside the room. 4. Hand movements that look a bit like massage, but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The boy (I don't call them 'therapists' from this point on) is dressed or semi-dressed and may negotiate the rate inside the room if the shop's minimum tip rate is set too low. Once an agreeable rate is mutually accepted, the clothing tends to be flung off and he would likely climb onto the massage table (or floor mattress, if it's a low-budget kind of place) 5. Shops that make a clear a minimum tip that is higher than the "course" fee or room fee. The boy moves his hands to mimic a bit of massage (some boys don't even bother with this much pretence of a massage), but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The room is likely to have a bed instead of a massage table. The boy begins the session either minimally dressed or totally nude. There is no in-room negotiation unless the client asks for something unusual - though more likely the boy simply says "cannot" to unusual requests, rather than negotiate. Body-to-body is not as common in Thailand as in Japan, Vietnam, Kuala Lumpur or Manila (where it is called "Nuru massage"). In Bangkok, you may get it in category 5 places. Another thing about Thailand is that categories 4 and 5 have wide pricing differentials, even if two shops offer similar services. The pricing differential is traceable to the several factors including (a) standard of facilities, (b) boys' physiques, (c) whether in tourist areas (thus aimed at tourists) or in more local parts of the city.

Just read your post. Where did you stay? Apparently no problem bringing the guy back to your room. Did you take Uber to go to the bars? Do you have the contact information for the thin guy you were with? Thanks.