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Tittle is misleading but was given to this trip by our member bkkmfj who accompanied me to Bangkok during this short, 2 days in Pattaya and 6 in Bangkok trip to Thailand last month. I think only terrorizing part were 3 hotel changes three days in row but I booked those before he decided to join in and to sweeten whole thing , all were walking distance from each other. Day 1 This time I arrived by KLM from Amsterdam and arrival time was great , at 9.30 in the morning. There was no line up to immigration at all, I just walked in to get stamped and had even option of choosing one of three officers. No waiting for luggage as I was with carry on only. Buying SIM card took few minutes and I found myself with almost 2 hours to kill before my Jomtien bus departure scheduled at noon. This trip I decided to try something new for me i.e. going to Pattaya straight from airport. With excess time I went to train station to exchange some money, then ate something in coupon restaurant by gate 8 and went to the booth to exchange my bus reservation for an actual ticked as instructed when booked on website. I got moment of enlightenment since it was 10.45 and asked if I can get seat on 11.00 am bus. Luckily , there was seat but I was charged extra 50 baht for changing reservation. Around 1 pm I was already marching to Agate hotel in Jomtien Complex where room was already waiting for me. After desoiling I went to 7/11 across the street for some goodies and decided to see N, my semi regular there at his massage place nearby. No sign of him, as I learned later he went to see his folks at home for few days but consolation was at hand at the same shop. T, whom I never got pleasure with before but got good feedback about from one of our members was at hand so of we went for 1.5 hr session, 400+1200 tip. I was happy to discover that recommendation was very accurate. Got his Line with intention of asking him for long time in case none of guys I was hoping to see at Dreamboys would not be available. Either tonight or tomorrow. It was darkening when I took songtaew to Boyztown where I had a dinner is one of Indian restaurants there. Chicken with cashews there had some distinctive taste likely due to use some Indian spices but it was great tasting anyways. Then to Copa to claim my room. As advised in some thread in spring , in Pattaya to avoid travelling between Jomtien and Boyztown I often rent cheap 2nd room at either end. Handy just in case either boy or myself doesn’t feel like traveling in the middle of the night. As mentioned above I hoped to see #36 and #37 at Dreamboys. #36 was my outstanding companion when I was there in January. I did not have pleasure with #37 then but saw him in the bar waiting for his customer and he was extremely handsome HUNK. On top of that I got recommendation from trusted member who had better luck and engaged him at Christmas time. After obtaining key I parked myself with beer on Copa’s terrace where shortly bkkmfj joined me for a chat and ironing our trip to Bangkok after tomorrow. We both noticed very attractive tattooed massage freelancer offering his services in the soi while sitting on his motorbike. At 10pm we went to Dreamboys , me full of hope and excited with anticipation but as soon as we sat down it was explained to me that neither boys I planned to see is no longer there. So much about dreaming about boys at home, first day and already 3 boys from the list MIA. Disappointed , after we emptied our drinks I suggested checking show at Xboys and it was great idea as show was very progressive with, ahem, some risky numbers. A , veteran there recognized me but still smarting after Dreamboys fiasco I was in no mood to take him with me tonight although he is worth every penny he may ask for. Great body and personality as well as very qualified to participate in big c…k show. We returned to Jomtien complex where I have some hope, guy I saw on Grinder, hunk who likes kissing by his own admission on the profile. Bkkmfj knew who I’m talking about and even knew bar he is usually sitting but at that time of night he was gone. Another disappointment. But wait, I still have Line of T, the masseur and it was time when his shift should be over so I lined him but answer was “cannot tonight , can tomorrow “ . Ouch. So I gave up hope of having somebody tonight and went to 7/11 to eat problem out with some sandwich. Then I got stubborn and while munching outside hotel I fired up Grindr and found somebody I liked. “ I sleep with you if you give me money “ was the answer to obvious question. How much ? 1500. Waiting for you said I. In 10 minutes he showed up. Not looking exactly as in profile with face less cute but built more substantial than I anticipated. So off we went to my room to check recent acquisition to my and his stamp collections. And it’s how day 1 was over.

Day 2 Turned out not a bad meeting. He was not in rush in the morning which I like and was clearly happy with his tip and immediately asked about repeat tonight. I was politely noncommitted , if only because T suggested tonight he will be free to come. He left at 9.30 , declined hotel breakfast invitation so I had it alone. It started raining but I promised bkkmfj I will buy tickets to Swampy for noon tomorrow so off I went, it was just rain , not tropical deluge. There’s bank by bus stion so I went there to exchange 100 euro and asked to get it all , 4400 in red notes to which they happily obliged. I need something to stuff my multiple pockets I guess. When approaching hotel surprisingly T emerged from the alley on his way to the shop. I gave him 300 massage fee and asked him to come to my room in few minutes. We both were happy with such reunion. Of course I secured his presence for long time tonight. He promised to show up at end of his shift after closing the shop. Then jet lag reminded about it’s existence and I slept rest of day till dark. Next step was another trip to Boyztown hoping that tattooed hunk , noticed last evening, will be offering his massages today as well. As soon as I approached soi I saw him and noticed increase heart beat rate. 1.5 hr for 1500 was his charge and I motioned him to go. In short, one of best things I did this trip. Body was superb and so was massage. He also had well developed 6th sense and noticed what I like and what I don’t. When time come to turn over I suggested that he must be tired so we better skip that part in exchange for not exactly hand holding session. Wow as they say. If I stay in Pattaya longer I guess I know what I will be spending my time with. Not only I liked him but also was impressed by personality , body and skills. After that memorable session I went to BoyzBoyzBoyz for a show welcomed my mamasan who recognized me from days of old and mentioned names of at least two boys I offed from there in the past. Scene was packed but with exception of two bare-chested, all boys were fully dressed, jeans and long sleeves. Bar was ¾ full , mostly with usual Chinese visitors and quite a few boys were sitting with girls and drinking. Another reminder that this is boy, not gay bar. Art, one of bare chested got a tip , another went to guy who tried to get my attention by smiling in my direction, both by way of patented Vinapu tuck. Show was similar to one I saw multiple times but BBoys were impressive as always. I was set for tonight but with off fee of 1000 baht even if I weren’t I’d not be in mood to off from there. While going to songtaew I noticed impressive hunk outside of ABomb. That would be worth 1000 baht off fee perhaps. I arrived in Agate few minutes before agreed time and T showed up in few minutes, suggested he will go and buy some beers and managed to do it somewhere even if it was past midnight deadline. I decided not to ask any questions where . We had great time together, so great that when I waked up it was 11.28 am.

Interestingly, on one occasion, a boy I had brought to the hotel for short time, and enjoyed, turned up at breakfast the following morning with another farang, and did grin at me!

Pride decorations at lobby of Quarter Silom Hotel. And lots of good looking guests! My first time at hotel to meet a fellow forum member.

Laws vary from country to country and state to state. I'm not interested in having sex with anyone under 18, but if I were, I would research local laws very carefully. The age of consent may be under 18 in most places, but it may depend with whom and/or under what circumstances. It may be legal to have sex with a 16 year-old, but if he were to complain he was pressured, one could find oneself in deep doo-doo. Just stick to men 18+, and don't stay up all night worrying. I was certainly willing and able to consent when I was 16, but the law can get tricky.

I think you're talking about expats of any age for chat, not sex. If that's so, stop by Cock a 2 bar in Jomtien Complex. There is usually a lcommunal table set out front and the owner Rob, from Australia might be hosting various people that come and go, have a drink a chat....he's super friendly and likeable , you might even get to meet the notorious @gayinpattaya sitting there, he's really much nicer in person, just don't talk about politics with him , you'll walk away wondering , wtf just happened, lol

Honor amongst thieves might be more typical than Honor amongst whores 😆

Bangkok also have a few that still have plenty of boys that will be available for you to choose inside the center. One in particular, has no pic of masseur available through website or line. Reason was to protect their masseurs confidentiality. Arena has never disappoint me though with their selection of hunks muscular masseurs available. Vck on the other hand, has both line updates of who is available on the day, and very large number of boys available on site. Similar can be said for massage places in silom soi 6, where most available masseurs will be there for choosing. But their line also have listing of boys, but might not be updated. I actually prefer to go and choose the guy myself, given that tendency of inaccurate/old pics is high, but jeyspa and vck photos are quite accurate, thus for these two, id usually book ahead. For arena, early booking is possible if u know the massuer's name.

Made my fourth visit to Phetboy Saturday. Myself and a fellow member both made reservations for 2:30p.m. Upon arrival, my guy was waiting and we were sent up to room on second floor. I was later to learn, however, that my mate’s masseur didn’t show up for another 45 minutes. Understandably dismayed, my friend requested and received a refund of the 380 baht fee. When I finished and found out what had happened, I accompanied him to nearby 15M where he chose a guy who happened to be in the shop. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise because he reported after that it was an excellent session (400 baht). As I reflect on my four visits to Phetboy, one was satisfactory while the other three were fine. The shop is clean and well maintained with showers that could comfortably accommodate three. Although I’ve only visited 15M on one prior occasion, I found that also to be clean and similarly well maintained. Both are less than a 5-minute walk from the Saphan Kwai BTS.

Well, some may recall the string I posted several months ago when the hotel receptionist carded my then 30 year-old fiance because he thought I might be involved with a minor! 😤

That aside, have a great time. 🙂

I have deleted on entire thread and removed multiple posts from another. Each poster reported issues with the threads and each pointed fingers. Don't be silly. I will not moderate between two adult for long and if it continues, both will be banned!

From The Nation The State Railway of Thailand (SRT) expects to launch its latest tourism train, SRT Royal Blossom, in mid-August following a successful test run to Hua Hin on Friday. The test run from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Terminal in Bangkok to Hua Hin station in Prachuap Khiri Khan province was witnessed by Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, who closely inspected the train when it arrived at Hua Hin station on Friday. SRT Royal Blossom train has been modified from 10 second-hand air-conditioned Hamanasu passenger cars that the SRT had received from the Hokkaido Railway Company of Japan in 2018. SRT's public relations chief Ekarat Sriarayanphong said five cars had been refurbished as tourism vehicles to run on the Bangkok – Kanchanaburi tourism route, expected to launch in August in a bid to boost tourism in secondary provinces under the government’s policy. The remaining five cars would undergo similar modifications and should be ready for public use by the year-end, he added. The Hamanasu passenger cars were manufactured in 1988 and used as part of the Hamanasu Express train service, which connected Hokkaido Island to Honshu Island. The service ran the final leg of the journey in Hokkaido on March 21, 2016. The name "Hamanasu” came from the flower symbol of Hokkaido Island – the Japanese rose. SRT started working on five of the cars in 2020 and undertook the first test run in March this year, running from Bangkok to Lampang province. The name "SRT Royal Blossom" is inspired by the Yellow star, which is the official flower of King Rama X and symbolises the "Golden Age of Railways”. The green velvet seat offers a sharp contrast to the train’s bright red exterior, but complements the natural colour of the cedar interior. All cars are equipped with wheelchair ramps, air purifiers, as well as world standard safety equipment.

does not need to be fantasy. I recall at least two similar situation. Once three us members arranged trip to Mahanakhon, two of us including myself were with boys. I actually discretely asked other boy if he would be interested in meeting, he happily confirmed and we met after member who brought him went back home. He was loyally informed by me about my plans and was fine with that. Other case was again on Mahanakhon , I invited another boy to go with me and one of members also tagged on. When I noticed they exchanged glances again and again I informed other member that boy was invited only to Mahanakhon trip and after that he is liberated from my company so he can grab him if he wishes. He did

Title was not misleading for me - as it was truly a Boot Camp experience for me. The "training" and information sharing that you gave me in BKK is invaluable. Thanks again Vinapu - I look forward to the next segments of your/our trip - as I love reliving it.

my apologies to those who were waiting. I usually table trip report after returning home and that Thai trip was part of bigger tour from which I returned home only week ago

Finally we get to read your trip report!

The FLiRT variety is taking off over here in Australia too, luckily most that I know that caught this one haven't been too badly affected by it. I am partially immunocompromised due to effects of pneumonia when I was a child and will wear a mask in higher risk situations like crowded trains etc but most people now seem to not care at all. I do hope that with each new variant that it gets weaker or at the very least doesn't get any stronger, it has stuffed us all around for far to long now.

still removed from tipping and offing list, last trip I did not even stop at that bar once

On several occasions and particularly at the meridien, I've been at breakfast and seen another farang with a guest that has caught my attention and got my blood flowing. The temptation to visit the same breakfast section the guy was at to try to discretely ask for a Line contact has been there, but I agree with Vinapu, it's poor form. I wouldn't like it done to me, so I wouldn't do it to another. If you see him leaving the hotel alone I'd consider it fair game, but while it's someone else's turn, best to let them enjoy their time and leave it alone. You never know if they have a LLT/bf arrangement or if the farang might have an emotional attachment that could cause him to become upset by it.

no, world renowned Foodland Patpong is safe bet when comes to bringing in company and on multiple occasion it's what boys asked if they want to eat something suggested. At any time of day or night there's chance we spot either familar or handsome or both, face dining there alone or most often , with company. Also it pays to pay attention to passersby's as it may be chance to see somebody we know. (As we know from last trip - not necessarily blessing though ). While your idea is catchy , execution would be somewhat rude so better no to do it. Boy sitting with his farang is his companion and his only the same way like boy sitting with us is our companion and our only. It would be very bad form to try to pry attractive or familiar boy from his current sitter with. And I would not tolerate if somebody would approach boy I'm sitting with and try to arrange for anything else than handshake. But opportunity is still present if handled decently, been there , done that. One can simply try to outwait them as often after the meal parties are parting way, then it's free game , just one needs to be brave and fast. On few occasions thoughtful farang seeing that his boy sees somebody familiar can even prod him to go and say hallo to him. Happened to me in both capacities i.e. guy came to me to say hallo obviously with blessing from his farang and also I , seeing boy exchanging smiles with somebody, suggested he will go and say hallo if he wants. The same may happen in bars. We buy a drink for the boy and suddenly somebody is inviting him for a drink. If boy asks for permission , I usually agree for say 10-15 minutes break. If he leaves me on his own, his drink still half full, that's the surest way to be removed from my offing roster fort at least few trips. Certain P and A , on different occasions learned it to their peril because on next attempt to extract an off from me I in no uncertain terms told them it won't happen and why.

There are two legal concepts: the age of consent and the age of majority. The age of consent is usually 2-3 years lower than the age of majority. In most countries, sex between an adult and a minor is illegal, even if the partner is over the age of consent. The age of consent itself was introduced into the legal concept in order to make it possible not to prosecute minors who have sex with minors. As a rule, legal practice is such that the courts side with the accused (the eldest in the couple) if the age difference between the conditional accused and the conditional victim does not exceed 2-3 years, i.e. if the age of consent is 16, one partner is 16 (i.e. minor) and the other is 19 (i.e. adult), then the courts will reject the claims of the victim who has reached the age of consent or his parents in favor of the adult 19-year-old partner. At the same time, if the age difference is significant (for example, 10 or more years), the courts usually satisfy the claims of the younger partner or his parents. Bottom line: Fuck adults, not those who have reached the age of consent but are not yet of age. All of the above refers to legislation based on Roman law. It more or less unified the approach to this issue. In English case law there are decisions in both directions and we can say that usually the one who has the most money wins (read: who has the best lawyers).

That's where it gets tricky, because even a dinner or paying for uber is considered payment or gift......stay above 18+ and out of hot water, the prison stories aren't as hot as you think they are, however, they might be for you 😬

From The Thaiger Thailand’s tourism industry has suffered a dramatic setback, plummeting 11 spots in the latest World Economic Forum (WEF) Travel and Tourism Development Index, leaving experts calling for urgent investment and innovation. In a devastating blow to the Thai government, which reported a modest 1.5% growth in the first quarter of 2024, the WEF index revealed Thailand’s fall from 36th to 47th place. This drop has sent shockwaves through the travel and hospitality sectors, with leaders urging immediate and comprehensive action. The WEF’s index, a meticulous assessment of a nation’s travel and tourismindustry, uses sustainability, socioeconomic, and environmental factors, combined with stakeholder consultations, to gauge performance. It comprises five pillars: Business Environment, Safety and Security, Health and Hygiene, Human Resources and Labour Market, and ICT Readiness. Sandy Liw, general manager of InterContinental Khao Yai Resort, emphasised the need for infrastructure improvements, particularly in lesser-known areas.

Trump called Milwaukee a 'horrible city', so what did a local brewer do?

I'm not surprised, once I was shown passport of 32 y.o. Cambodian whom I classified as no more than 24. On the merit : so I go by what I think and I'm comfortable with , not what possible receptionist may

you must be my long lost twin brother , half my age though. I also prefer to see whom I'm hiring as I'm notoriously mis-reading pictures. More important I'm looking for that eye- blink and / or smile indicating skilful fake of interest in me. I'm joining your praises of Jey Spa though but even there quite of few boys looked for me different than on pics, not necessarily bad thin as it work both ways and their boys usually look better in flesh than on pics. Agree that Arena had best of both worlds with boys inside , ready to be chosen in flesh once one enters.

I'm using this rule : if walking to hotel I'd be worried that reception may ask for ID I rather look for other companion

it just one of those rankings travelling public pay little attention to when choosing their next destination so I wouldn't worry too much being Thai.

i bet they’d better obliged.

I spotted one of @vinapu favourite guys having breakfast with farang customer at Le Meridien breakfast. I secretly took a photograph and sent it to @vinapu! I was tempted to say hi to the guy but I decided not to disturb their breakfast. I doubt he would recognise me. @vinapu had introduced him to me when he passed us by a year ago.

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so true - here in Pattaya we don't have anything similar. When you go to a massage shop here in Pattaya it is like going to the fish market - all the available guys are sitting outside the shop in the shade sweating in the unbearable hot heat and the minute you approach they all start yelling at you and even pulling at you to chose them. I find the process awkward and intimidating. In Pattaya, there is no booking system nor Line listing of available guys with their stats. In Bangkok - you can join the Line of the shop that you are interested in and receive an advance listing with photos and sometimes other pertinent information (age, weight, sexual preference, etc.). Then you can communicate via Line with the manager about which guys that you are interested in and then arrange a booking. You arrive at the shop an there is NO group of guys sitting outside waiting to pounce on you to choose them like in a fish market. Instead, you take off your shoes, enter the shop, someone runs over to you to give you a cold towel to cool off your face / neck. You sit down in a beautiful calm airconditioned environment with nice music playing. A manager comes and brings you water or tea. Then perhaps the guy that you booked brings to you a selection of massage oils that you can sniff and choose which one you prefer for your massage. If only Pattaya had a civilized massage experience like Bangkok has ......

yes, I remember that moment very well. It was just a fantasy and I would never execute on it, as I also agree that it would be rude. My fantasy was that we were all sitting together at the same table having breakfast with our prior night catches and then agreeing to cross share contact information for future encounters - of course with the blessing and positive ok of each individual farang and his associated guy.

Because open windows are more your thing 😀

I'm one who don't like it and find it embarrassing. It's why I rarely stay in Tarntawan where once I got a visit from two forum member in daytime , just for gossip and coffee. One Philippine, another Oriental looking American. Both were asked for their ID which we found funny. I understand security concerns by some but whoring is for adventurous , not for chickens.

Too true. It won't. For my US friends, here's what your greatest (gay) poet had to say, possibly recalling the boy he met in New Orleans.... "How sweet the silent backward tracings! The wanderings as in dreams- the meditation of old times renewed...." Walt Whitman

Here goes: When we see the word "The" before what looks like a country name, it is generally because the word had been used to refer to a geographical feature well before the country even came about. In English, geographical features are typically indicated with the definite article "the". Thus, we speak of "the Alps", "the prairie", "the Danube", "the Arctic". I believe @Londoner is right in that the present state of which the city of Banjul is the capital takes its name from the river, known as The Gambia. The river was The Gambia, the same way we speak of The Volga, The Danube, The Ganges, The Mississippi, The Yangzi, The Chao Phraya. When is country is formed and takes its name from that geographical feature, English tends to be conservative and keeps the word "The" with it. If tomorrow, there is a realignment of borders and a new state is formed in the Danube basin, and the new state wishes to call itself after the river, we would refer to it as The Republic of The Danube. (not Republic of Danube). The pre-existing geographical feature does not need to be a river. "The Sudan" was for centuries the term used to refer to a vast, topographically flat (relatively speaking) area stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea, between the Sahara and the Bight (Gulf) of Benin inhabited by black-skinned people. It's an Arabic term, useful to the Arabs and North Africans to refer to the vast area to the south with whom they traded extensively. The modern state with the same name is a fraction of the size of the historical Sudan. But in the same conservative fashion, the English language would refer to the state as the Republic of The Sudan. In Southeast Asia, there is The Republic of The Philippines, for similar reasons. For hundreds of years those islands had been referred to by their Spanish name, "Las Islas Filipinas", named after King Philip II of Spain. It's similar to they way we refer to The East Indies or The West Indies or The Canary Islands. So when the Filipino republic was formed and it chose to take the name of the geographical feature, it kept the word "The" in its name, this being the English convention. In Southeast Asia too, there is a truly odd one which few people realise is odd. When Europeans (particularly the French) first met the top dog in region to the West of Vietnam and Northeast of the Kingdom of Siam, that big guy introduced himself as the king of all the Lao tribes. He said something to the effect that "I am the King of the Lao people, or King of the Laos." It was an interesting moment of culture clash. Europeans conceived of statehood as a political power controlling territory (due to their history of feudalism). The people were secondary. If they lived in the territory, OK, the humans would, as a consequence, come under the rule of the power. Elsewhere in the world, particularly Asia, rulers saw themselves as ruling over people. If the people lived in a territory, then indirectly the land would be brought under the king's power. And if the people moved around, the king still expected that the people remained his subjects wherever they went off to. Thus the big guy in Luang Prabang saw himself as ruler of the Lao tribes, just as the guy in Phnom Penh saw himself as ruler of the Khmer people. Today we seldom realise that the word "Laos" got corrupted along the way. Where it used to refer (in plural) to a collection of tribes and peoples, we now use it to refer to a defined territory - but only in English. The official name of the country is not Laos, it is The Lao People's Democratic Republic. They are still using the word "Lao" to refer to the people, not the land.

I agree, it's statement full of crap

BBB was once like Dolly Parton's "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"... just a little thrill along with lots of fun (and booze). Yes, it was once the undisputed jewel, run impeccably by Jim and Gordon and Philip and Dtan and Lek. It was all downhill the moment Jim sold out to the Swiss (now to the Chinese). Jim and crew were trusted members of our community. To answer your question, MFJ, well now for me BBB is a total bore. I wouldn't spend a baht to go into that place. The last time I went there I chastised myself for going into that crazy place. And since BBB was the cornerstone of BT, BT also necessarily predictably began to fall apart too. Today's price is totally ridiculous given the value they offer. Once the "screaming Chinese women" get sick of the "thrill", I predict BBB, and most silly old-format boy bars, will pass from the scene. It's time for a renaissance and renewal, guys, updating to the current age of technology and social habit. We need a new, risk-taking, imaginative, fun-loving pioneer like Jim was back then to reinvent the gay adventure. It seems that the most innovative approaches of late have come to the Bangkok massage houses, with their "easy to peruse, easy to book, stated minimum tips" and more. In even this obviously more efficient and transparent concept, the Pattaya "houses of questionable repute" have not seemed to keep pace.

excellent reminder. It's actually a case where I live. My advice it to stay well, well above what others here call "18+ standard" specially in Asia where a lot of people to our eyes look misleadingly younger. I rather go with out of shape ex-Tawan guys than risk domestication in Bangkok Hilton as floridarob warned above

The "system" in Japanese massage businesses is not always consistent. They vary from one shop to another. I don't know what your experiences have been, so it's not easy for me to explain how different Thailand is compared to your Japanese experiences - in other words, what's your baseline to which one should compare? Washing the client is indeed common in Japan - but that is really a manifestation of the Japanese concern about cleanliness; it is rarely done erotically. My experience in Japan is that some places have boys who can actually do a massage. Others use the term "massage" to mean something else. And some shops offer a service that is sort of in-between. Therefore I am not sure what you have in your mind as the Japanese style of services. However, your mention of body to body perhaps indicates the latter. Ditto, in Bangkok there is thai massage, there is oil massage, there is sort-of-massage, there is "massage", "four hands massage" and there is "Oh my God, massage!" The service style varies hugely from one shop to another. The quality of facilities also vary hugely, and in fact, most Thai facilities (and Vietnamese) are better than Japanese, though the Japanese facilities are still a thousand times better than what one finds in ("shouldn't this have been condemned by the Fire Department?") Kuala Lumpur or Manila. My blog has numerous posts describing many of these places and the "system" that comes with them. Some do not end in sexual activity. Regular visitors seldom realise how complicated the Bangkok scene may took to new visitors. So, let's get you better advice. But to begin, pick a category that most interests you and then the regulars on this board will guide you where to go. 1. Professional quality massage by trained and certified therapists. They remain in their clothes throughout the session. They ensure that your private parts are always covered and there is no touching. 2. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to give clients a handjob, after negotiating the rate (done in whispers) inside the room. 3. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to take them off and do considerably more, after negotiating the rate inside the room. 4. Hand movements that look a bit like massage, but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The boy (I don't call them 'therapists' from this point on) is dressed or semi-dressed and may negotiate the rate inside the room if the shop's minimum tip rate is set too low. Once an agreeable rate is mutually accepted, the clothing tends to be flung off and he would likely climb onto the massage table (or floor mattress, if it's a low-budget kind of place) 5. Shops that make a clear a minimum tip that is higher than the "course" fee or room fee. The boy moves his hands to mimic a bit of massage (some boys don't even bother with this much pretence of a massage), but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The room is likely to have a bed instead of a massage table. The boy begins the session either minimally dressed or totally nude. There is no in-room negotiation unless the client asks for something unusual - though more likely the boy simply says "cannot" to unusual requests, rather than negotiate. Body-to-body is not as common in Thailand as in Japan, Vietnam, Kuala Lumpur or Manila (where it is called "Nuru massage"). In Bangkok, you may get it in category 5 places. Another thing about Thailand is that categories 4 and 5 have wide pricing differentials, even if two shops offer similar services. The pricing differential is traceable to the several factors including (a) standard of facilities, (b) boys' physiques, (c) whether in tourist areas (thus aimed at tourists) or in more local parts of the city.

Welcome to the forum ! Discovering great unknown is one of pleasures of travelling. When comes to massages in Thailand you can count on full spectrum , from skilful and legitimate i.e Prime to places where there's not much pretence of massage of guy may be naked from the start and everything in between. There are tons of places from upscale and costly to economical and somewhat unkempt an they all are waiting for you to sample them. Start with Arena in Silom Plaza, there boys will present themselves for you to chose one, mamasan Art is friendly and knowledgeable, prices are user friendly and you get best of both worlds, bit of proper massage with smooth transition to debaucherous part. Before session you will shower alone but after session boy will shower with you. Leave shy part of you on the street level. after that sample one of numerous outlets in soi 6 and along Suriwong including mentioned already Prime which stands out for being legitimale massage ONLY although in Thailand one never knows where it may lead. In other places you may or may not get lucky but certainly you will have fun and feel the cock. Next step is 25 minutes trip by BTS (overhead rail) to Saphan Kwai area and sample one of several places there, well discussed in threads here for example : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/39468-massage-shops-on-sutthisan-winitchai-rd/page/11/#comments To move to more luxurious and costly experience try either Senso in Sala Daeng in Silom area or travel to Sukhumvit soi 43 and sample Jey Spa there where hunks abound and "shy" disappeared from vocabulary. After that you will be an expert and start dispensing advices here but not before you report your findings for us in the forum. OBN

Thru United's site.... the trick is to change the country that you are purchasing from, Philippines and Mexico offered the same fare, originating in Manila to Boston r/t, 3400usd rt in Business, whereas if I bought it from the US website, it was over 6500 usd. So I'd check flights from BKK as if you were buying it in THB

Someone is on a role.... btw, el ultimo vagon or cajita feliz, happy meal.....is a thing, everyone knows about it. Usually after 10pm is when people cruise, is like old time street cruising.....not everyone is fucking, some just meeting for hookups later, mostly you'll see an exhibitionist jerking off under his shorts or whipping it out ....in between stops or someone giving head, sometimes they'll be fucking. If busy bodies complain and it makes the headlines, they'll crack down for a bit, then back to normal, Like in Thailand with the go-go bars. Not everyone is on Grindr or has a smart phone or money for datos. The newer trains also complicate things, because the cars aren't secluded, people can walk all the way thru from one end to the other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sOMsE-Co8 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5r2sjb

This is one of the BIG mysteries here in Pattaya. Back in the heyday - the 2 BIG entertainment centers were Sunee Plaza and Boyztown. Sunee fell from grace with the never ending police raids and now exists with just 3 or 4 bars Boyztown was perhaps the PRIME area for the gay life in Pattaya - back in the day. Now Boyztown (well at least the 2 main anchors = BoyzBoyzBoyz and Boyz Music) are primarily catering to the Chinese bus tour crowd and us non-Chinese bus tour people are overlooked. So, it would appear that there is a historical shift taking place from: Sunee Plaza --> to Boyztown --> now to Jomtien Supertown Complex This was evident at yesterday's 8 June 2024 Pattaya Community Pride event - there was ZERO / nada presence of anything from Boyztown. Instead this event was participated and sponsored by SWING, Supertown, and the Pattaya Mayor's office. To me this is sad that Boyztown chooses to not participate in yesterday's Pride event. There will be a second Pattaya Pride event on 22 June 2024 - so, we will see if Boyztown will step up to the plate for that event - but it is sponsored by Pattana - the owner of the Central Festival shopping mall.

Boyz, Boyz, Boyz and Toy Boys are as different as day and night! In BBB the dancers just stand on the stage, in their jeans, from about 9pm until show time while at Toy Boys the dancers are wearing the briefest of briefs and move about on the stage and flirt with the customers. Drinks are 350 in BBB and 250 in Toy Boy. BBB relies on their Chinese customers while Toy Boy attracts both Farang and Chinese. What is weird is there may be 2 to 6+ Chinese customers walk into ToyBoy, look around, and then walk out for no reason at all. The ones who walk in BBB do so about 10 pm and stay for the show.

Toyboys itself is also currently full of Chinese customers, male and female; something they have deliberately encouraged over the last few years. Its signage is part Chinese/part English, and, importantly, they have at least one Chinese speaking junior mamasans to welcome them inside and keep an eye on them inside in terms of drinks and choosing boy companions off the stage, etc. The consequence is that they are usually busy and bustling most nights, whereas elsewhere in BoyzTown the boys are reporting a dearth of customers. My boyfriend is based at Pikky Bar and frequently video calls me from his 'welcome' table out in the soi and showing me scenes of an empty soi. BoyzBoyzBoyz opposite him is busy he reports, 'but all Chinese', he says. His bar and others around him seem all but empty. My spy in Classic Boy Bar says they are also hurting inside through lack of customers. Toyboys seems to have achieved critical mass at the moment. A steady flow of customers encourages a stage-full of near naked boys who get drinks and offs, which in turn encourages the customers to come in, etc. etc. My little spies in the bar say that there is also a steady flow of 'new' boys to bolster and refresh the numbers on stage each night. And, ironically, drink prices at Toyboys and BoyzBoyzBoyz are eye-wateringly high compared to their neighbours.

The Saphan Kuai area is always filled with delights for gay Bangkok and especially the massage places. Here is a new one and they are coming back with some sexy guys. I have seen the first one and liked him a great deal. Excellent top and bottom. Massage was just OK. Address: 1575, 53-54 Phahonyothin Rd, Samsen Nai, Phaya Thai, Bangkok 10400 https://gbeatspa.com/

Yes, you are right. I knew this board's group intelligence is a valuable resource. Sake Pub is alive and well, but it is now located on the Thonburi side of the river. The valid Facebook page is https://www.facebook.com/SakePubnew (note the word "new") complete with recent photos and video clips (poor quality). Its address is stated to be 89/3-5 Arun Amarin Road, Bangkok Noi, Bangkok, Thailand, Bangkok.