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BBB was once like Dolly Parton's "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"... just a little thrill along with lots of fun (and booze). Yes, it was once the undisputed jewel, run impeccably by Jim and Gordon and Philip and Dtan and Lek. It was all downhill the moment Jim sold out to the Swiss (now to the Chinese). Jim and crew were trusted members of our community. To answer your question, MFJ, well now for me BBB is a total bore. I wouldn't spend a baht to go into that place. The last time I went there I chastised myself for going into that crazy place. And since BBB was the cornerstone of BT, BT also necessarily predictably began to fall apart too. Today's price is totally ridiculous given the value they offer. Once the "screaming Chinese women" get sick of the "thrill", I predict BBB, and most silly old-format boy bars, will pass from the scene. It's time for a renaissance and renewal, guys, updating to the current age of technology and social habit. We need a new, risk-taking, imaginative, fun-loving pioneer like Jim was back then to reinvent the gay adventure. It seems that the most innovative approaches of late have come to the Bangkok massage houses, with their "easy to peruse, easy to book, stated minimum tips" and more. In even this obviously more efficient and transparent concept, the Pattaya "houses of questionable repute" have not seemed to keep pace.

Like Londoner I have not visited BBB much during my 22 years of making innumerable boy (especially twinks) orientated visits to Pattaya. The last time was before Covid and I only have a vague memory of the first time, but I do remember the 9 (?) pm parade. I do recall seeing women customers in BBB some years ago and being surprised and uncomfortable about that, it being not usual in a gay bar, especially when they were getting the attention of the most attractive boys. ive never been to The Gambia or indeed Africa at all - I suspect that gay men would not be welcome there. Although maybe Mozambique would be good. During a recent Pattaya visit I contacted a boy from there on Grindr for a two day boyfriend experience.

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excellent reminder. It's actually a case where I live. My advice it to stay well, well above what others here call "18+ standard" specially in Asia where a lot of people to our eyes look misleadingly younger. I rather go with out of shape ex-Tawan guys than risk domestication in Bangkok Hilton as floridarob warned above

I like those , specially when they claim they are straight and like girls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_by_country A legal minefield, so do your own research and don't believe anything some random stranger here tells you.

@pylonguy71 Any chance of some feedback how it went with your 16-hour stopover on June 5?

Here goes: When we see the word "The" before what looks like a country name, it is generally because the word had been used to refer to a geographical feature well before the country even came about. In English, geographical features are typically indicated with the definite article "the". Thus, we speak of "the Alps", "the prairie", "the Danube", "the Arctic". I believe @Londoner is right in that the present state of which the city of Banjul is the capital takes its name from the river, known as The Gambia. The river was The Gambia, the same way we speak of The Volga, The Danube, The Ganges, The Mississippi, The Yangzi, The Chao Phraya. When is country is formed and takes its name from that geographical feature, English tends to be conservative and keeps the word "The" with it. If tomorrow, there is a realignment of borders and a new state is formed in the Danube basin, and the new state wishes to call itself after the river, we would refer to it as The Republic of The Danube. (not Republic of Danube). The pre-existing geographical feature does not need to be a river. "The Sudan" was for centuries the term used to refer to a vast, topographically flat (relatively speaking) area stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea, between the Sahara and the Bight (Gulf) of Benin inhabited by black-skinned people. It's an Arabic term, useful to the Arabs and North Africans to refer to the vast area to the south with whom they traded extensively. The modern state with the same name is a fraction of the size of the historical Sudan. But in the same conservative fashion, the English language would refer to the state as the Republic of The Sudan. In Southeast Asia, there is The Republic of The Philippines, for similar reasons. For hundreds of years those islands had been referred to by their Spanish name, "Las Islas Filipinas", named after King Philip II of Spain. It's similar to they way we refer to The East Indies or The West Indies or The Canary Islands. So when the Filipino republic was formed and it chose to take the name of the geographical feature, it kept the word "The" in its name, this being the English convention. In Southeast Asia too, there is a truly odd one which few people realise is odd. When Europeans (particularly the French) first met the top dog in region to the West of Vietnam and Northeast of the Kingdom of Siam, that big guy introduced himself as the king of all the Lao tribes. He said something to the effect that "I am the King of the Lao people, or King of the Laos." It was an interesting moment of culture clash. Europeans conceived of statehood as a political power controlling territory (due to their history of feudalism). The people were secondary. If they lived in the territory, OK, the humans would, as a consequence, come under the rule of the power. Elsewhere in the world, particularly Asia, rulers saw themselves as ruling over people. If the people lived in a territory, then indirectly the land would be brought under the king's power. And if the people moved around, the king still expected that the people remained his subjects wherever they went off to. Thus the big guy in Luang Prabang saw himself as ruler of the Lao tribes, just as the guy in Phnom Penh saw himself as ruler of the Khmer people. Today we seldom realise that the word "Laos" got corrupted along the way. Where it used to refer (in plural) to a collection of tribes and peoples, we now use it to refer to a defined territory - but only in English. The official name of the country is not Laos, it is The Lao People's Democratic Republic. They are still using the word "Lao" to refer to the people, not the land.

There are two legal concepts: the age of consent and the age of majority. The age of consent is usually 2-3 years lower than the age of majority. In most countries, sex between an adult and a minor is illegal, even if the partner is over the age of consent. The age of consent itself was introduced into the legal concept in order to make it possible not to prosecute minors who have sex with minors. As a rule, legal practice is such that the courts side with the accused (the eldest in the couple) if the age difference between the conditional accused and the conditional victim does not exceed 2-3 years, i.e. if the age of consent is 16, one partner is 16 (i.e. minor) and the other is 19 (i.e. adult), then the courts will reject the claims of the victim who has reached the age of consent or his parents in favor of the adult 19-year-old partner. At the same time, if the age difference is significant (for example, 10 or more years), the courts usually satisfy the claims of the younger partner or his parents. Bottom line: Fuck adults, not those who have reached the age of consent but are not yet of age. All of the above refers to legislation based on Roman law. It more or less unified the approach to this issue. In English case law there are decisions in both directions and we can say that usually the one who has the most money wins (read: who has the best lawyers).

idea behind my possible clumsy comment was that I doubt how really straight are those boys who claim to be ones and still happily go with us , often sporting hardons from moment doors are closed.

We were welcomed by the Gambian beach boys-or "bumsters" as they were known. They offered their services as tour guides, sold woodcarvings....and often themselves. There were no gay bars and so the beach was the only cruising area available. Any single man out walking was a target. I'm talking about the 90s.... it was risky enough then, but the scene is long dead. I was a regular until Thailand opened my eyes as to what could be appreciated without fear of the police. Only once did I go to a guy's room for pleasure and, my goodness, he was cute, but the experience persuaded me that it was not worth the danger.

BBB was never a favourite of mine- I was always more interested in twinks and, anyway, I found the rotation of guys much too slow. There were sometimes sixty or more and it took hours to view the whole stable. And more drinks! However, there's one thing that seems to have been forgotten; it was the first Pattaya bar I can remember where women were much in evidence.... not just for looking but for offing. Not many, but enough to draw comment in those conservative days. I remember one seasoned US guy who'd "seen it all" since the early days of Boyztown complaining that these women were responsible for a recent rise in the number of STDs! Has any other poster been to The Gambia? There (as well as in Haiti, apparently) sex-tourism is primarily for women seeking young male companionship....and young males seeking marriage and emigration in return for favours. There were also opportunities for such as I in the 90s. Pretty dangerous behavior which makes me shudder in retrospect.

Relax tiger, it'll probably be moved by a moderator to its correct place.....get to know olddaddy, then you'll understand 🙃

It's likely unfortunate that her name has been made public. She'll now likely have to suffer through violent threats from MAGA extremists that so many other people have also had to suffer for simply doing her job of upholding justice.

Wow Marc - I could not have said it better. Yes, the joy of going to Boyztown was the UNEXPECTED - not knowing what pleasant and tantalizing surprise was coming your way --> and this was the MAGIC of the place to make you want to come back for more and more and more.... To add to what you wrote above - also the noise level has become ear threatening. I can only enter BBB now with ear plugs and I hate wearing them as you get a distorted perception and unpleasant reality. The last time that I entered into BBB without ear plugs I had constant ringing in my ears for days and in my left ear I temporarily lost 50% of my ability to hear from it - it eventually was back to normal after one week. That is too high a price to pay for mediocre entertainment. Marc - these are your BEST words yet. I try in vain to say the same words to my Thai friends in the Jomtien Supertown Complex but they always reply to me: you too farang - you do not understand the Thai ways, the old people that come to Supertown do not use technology, in Thai society it is not correct to go against what everybody else is doing - when I bitch about the stale mantra of 'farang sit and farang drink" And Marc, I would add to your list a place for us old-farts to dance to our generational music - but at early hours like from 8pm until midnight - that would be a Godsend - as it would get us up on our feet and out of those boring chairs and get us to have some physical action - which can only be good for our health - a win win for everybody - we can live longer, get healthy, and have fun, and the Thais can get more satangs from us before we pass on to the next life.....

nothing gay in Jakarta for businesses except for a disco that some gay guys go to , but isn't a gay disco. They used to have saunas years ago but have all closed down and the one gay disco, Apollo, didn't survive Covid. Grindr is extremely busy but not everyone speaks English.....I like it there and am returning in November after Cambodia.

What do you wear to your massage appointments ....or do you wait out front doing your nails out front like @reader 🧐

Or if he has a hard on when he showers with you!

I hate to agree with you. Not because of you but because you are right unfortunately. It used to be one of life little pleasures to park myself at Castro or Pikky , beer in hand boy beside and watch soi getting busier and busier from 7 pm , waiting for music and parade at 9. pm. Now only handful of massage freelancers , shirtless on their motorbikes are providing some visual excitement ( remember that tattooed one last month ? ). BBB boys bar 1 or 2 are completely dressed on the stage , half of them in long sleeves ! But still bar seems to be full night after night courtesy of Chinese tour groups. I wonder how many offs new , improved formula off fee of 1000 baht generates ? and it was time few years ago that I considered BBB best bar in whole Thailand !

The "system" in Japanese massage businesses is not always consistent. They vary from one shop to another. I don't know what your experiences have been, so it's not easy for me to explain how different Thailand is compared to your Japanese experiences - in other words, what's your baseline to which one should compare? Washing the client is indeed common in Japan - but that is really a manifestation of the Japanese concern about cleanliness; it is rarely done erotically. My experience in Japan is that some places have boys who can actually do a massage. Others use the term "massage" to mean something else. And some shops offer a service that is sort of in-between. Therefore I am not sure what you have in your mind as the Japanese style of services. However, your mention of body to body perhaps indicates the latter. Ditto, in Bangkok there is thai massage, there is oil massage, there is sort-of-massage, there is "massage", "four hands massage" and there is "Oh my God, massage!" The service style varies hugely from one shop to another. The quality of facilities also vary hugely, and in fact, most Thai facilities (and Vietnamese) are better than Japanese, though the Japanese facilities are still a thousand times better than what one finds in ("shouldn't this have been condemned by the Fire Department?") Kuala Lumpur or Manila. My blog has numerous posts describing many of these places and the "system" that comes with them. Some do not end in sexual activity. Regular visitors seldom realise how complicated the Bangkok scene may took to new visitors. So, let's get you better advice. But to begin, pick a category that most interests you and then the regulars on this board will guide you where to go. 1. Professional quality massage by trained and certified therapists. They remain in their clothes throughout the session. They ensure that your private parts are always covered and there is no touching. 2. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to give clients a handjob, after negotiating the rate (done in whispers) inside the room. 3. Near-professional quality massage by trained therapists. They remain in their clothes, but may be prepared to take them off and do considerably more, after negotiating the rate inside the room. 4. Hand movements that look a bit like massage, but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The boy (I don't call them 'therapists' from this point on) is dressed or semi-dressed and may negotiate the rate inside the room if the shop's minimum tip rate is set too low. Once an agreeable rate is mutually accepted, the clothing tends to be flung off and he would likely climb onto the massage table (or floor mattress, if it's a low-budget kind of place) 5. Shops that make a clear a minimum tip that is higher than the "course" fee or room fee. The boy moves his hands to mimic a bit of massage (some boys don't even bother with this much pretence of a massage), but are often directed at the nether regions in order to elicit arousal. The room is likely to have a bed instead of a massage table. The boy begins the session either minimally dressed or totally nude. There is no in-room negotiation unless the client asks for something unusual - though more likely the boy simply says "cannot" to unusual requests, rather than negotiate. Body-to-body is not as common in Thailand as in Japan, Vietnam, Kuala Lumpur or Manila (where it is called "Nuru massage"). In Bangkok, you may get it in category 5 places. Another thing about Thailand is that categories 4 and 5 have wide pricing differentials, even if two shops offer similar services. The pricing differential is traceable to the several factors including (a) standard of facilities, (b) boys' physiques, (c) whether in tourist areas (thus aimed at tourists) or in more local parts of the city.

From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon A group of Pattaya-based retirees say they are both confused and aggrieved by continuing ambiguity about their Thai tax liability from January 1 2024. Thai Revenue stated many months ago that “most” overseas income transmitted to Thailand from that date would be subject to personal income tax, to be collected the following year. The requirement applies to all tax residents, namely Thais or foreigners residing in the kingdom for at least six months in a calendar year. The policy is said to be principally aimed at closing tax loopholes exploited mostly by super-rich Thais in the past. Kurt Fischer told the Pattaya Mail, “We are appealing to the Thai premier to order a clarification for the 500,000 or so foreign tax residents here. Our group are all retirees who live exclusively on income and pensions already taxed in our home country. We do not run businesses abroad, indulge in currency speculation or salt away money in offshore bank accounts, but the advice from so-called tax experts is flatly contradictory. Some say that pension income already taxed in the home country is absolutely exempt, whilst others maintain that it’s just a tax credit against payments due here in Thailand.” Another group member Kevin Haddon explained, “There are all sorts of rumors, for example that you will need to obtain a tax identification number from the Revenue to qualify for a one year extension of stay, or that you can ignore the whole thing if your country (one of 61) has concluded its own double taxation treaty with Thailand. Some people have been told by experts to use an international credit card, with headquarters outside Thailand, for as many transactions as possible in order to avoid detection.” The group observed that the lack of definitive information was leading some expats to consider moving abroad, whilst others were simply burying their head in the sand, ostrich-style, and hoping the horror will pass them by. “The confusion is really bad for the future of the traditional retirement market in Thailand. The confusion is obviously a paradise for tax lawyers and accountants,” one told Pattaya Mail, “but an absolute nightmare for us.”

off topic but honest question to English-as-first -language speakers. I noticed we say The Gambia and The Sudan but never say, The Ghana or The Tanzania to stay with former British possessions. Any idea as to why is that? Just curious

I am in Thailand twice in November, I may try the Dusit for 3 nights, and see what rate I can get, I used to be a Gold member, and what it's like! I had booked the Banyan Tree as a change from the Meredien.

And in UK, I believe.

Thaksin, the Donald Trump of Thailand!

Just my thoughts but I don't think the government is giving many answers because they don't know the details yet themselves and are just stumbling from day to day on this. Ahh yes, of course they need to pay for the "give" us your vote scheme some how ⤵️

not related to bangkok forum.

From Pattaya Mail The Thai government expects its Revenue arm to collect 100 billion baht more to help fund the digital wallet give-away scheme. This surely explains why, from January 1 2024, assessable foreign income transmitted to Thailand by tax residents (Thais or foreigners here for six months plus in a calendar year) will be subject to personal income tax via Revenue tax forms. Those have to be completed no later than the end of March next year. A recent informal survey of retirees in Pattaya suggested that over 90 percent were in a state of utter confusion. What is assessable income? Does it include pensions already taxed in the home country? What about sending your cash to your wife as a gift? How to make sense of double taxation treaties which are undecipherable to most folk? Will visa renewal be dependent on having a Thai tax identification number? What will it cost to hire accountants? It’s no wonder that many expats are muttering, or talking openly, about leaving Thailand or at least making sure they are in the country for fewer than 183 days to escape the tax residence trap. Typical retirees here live on already-taxed pensions. Getting involved with a second tax authority, accountants and tax specialists is just about the last thing they want. Not to mention the potential costs of this bureaucracy. Nonsense on social media, such as the claim that Thai banks are now deducting tax international cash arrivals, is rampant. There’s a well-known truism that Thai authorities don’t take any notice of what foreigners think. The issue here is whether those same authorities are prepared to see the expat market, especially for retirees and global citizens, collapse under the pile-up of unanswered questions. What about the future of the Elite visa? What about the thousands of farang men married to Thais and with families to support? What about the property market, especially the purchase of condominiums? How can the understaffed Revenue suddenly deal expeditiously with hundreds of thousands of forms and accompanying documentation in a foreign language? Maybe, official clarification is just around the corner. Maybe. Meanwhile, accountancy firms are busy enrolling frightened expats with the promise of updates whenever possible. What would help, of course, is a statement from official Thai authorities that income already taxed elsewhere will not be re-taxed here. Or that certain types of visa, for example annual extensions for retirement or marriage, are exempt from the tax regulations on the grounds they are not “residence” permits. Sometimes silence is the best policy. But not tax reform on this scale.

I wouldn't give him that much credit. Takes balls to suck dick.

And you’re reading them 🙂

definitely you are right but from time to time I like to check how other half has it and in name of fighting discrimination I go with twink, specially if cute one and even more specially if he is still from Tawan. That guy , if it's the same we are talking about here, when I offed him in January was definitely worth his tip, very affectionate and sweet

Another tip when the massage boy showers after you at the start, if he walks out with a hard on forget the massage (massage would most likely be ordinary anyway) and just dive in and enjoy the fun.

your loyalty may be tested as it looks from September on they almost doubled their prices . I wonder about sanity of such a move and while I like Le Siam a lot , certainly not at new pricing level. for uninitiated - you are talking about new Foodland in Silom Park building. By the way , both menu and prrices are the same there and in world famous UNESCO heritage, 7 1/2 stars, Foodland Patpong

I've always wondered why those myriads of same-same bars don't somehow manage to merge their "talents", and thus for the area to truly become a "SUPERtown" rather than a collection of hopelessly uneconomic shops. They need economy-of-scale and they need to have variety and they need to have a decent environment. Those characteristics cost money, real money; I am really surprised that more bars have not closed in JC. The reason that Jim's BBB was successful is that he understood this concept and thus BT grew and prospered. And I totally agree about the "numbness" of the current concept -- "sit and drink and gawk" -- that only goes so far to keep people's interest. You need energy and expectation and entertainment. I agree with GIP that gay bars are an anachronism, they are a throwback to the "hush-hush" era where we were all constrained and needed a place to "be free". Japan is a good example of this. In those days of ore when I frequented bars in Shinjuku and Shibuya, the bars were small and you needed to be cleared by an all-knowing door person to even gain access to the bar. Once inside the "host" would then introduce you to each of the guys in the small (10?) crowd. It was because most of the guys in those bars were heading for the last train home to their wives, so you had to be fast!

No, I don't. I have a serious problem with political correctness. In my circle of homo homies, we think life and language would be colorless and humourless if we didn't have hags, yobs, paddies, blackfellas, trannies, geezers, dumbblonds, gerontophiles and fatsos among us. Nor do we need to look far to see rice queens, potato queens, curry queens... And don't forget muscle marys.

Body-to-body is not uncommon in Bangkok at all in my experience. Have had it in every category of shop I’ve been to.

A whore like me pays others to do that stuff.

You weren't out front doing your nails, were you 🧐

At the corner of Silom and Convent roads this evening.

Toyboys itself is also currently full of Chinese customers, male and female; something they have deliberately encouraged over the last few years. Its signage is part Chinese/part English, and, importantly, they have at least one Chinese speaking junior mamasans to welcome them inside and keep an eye on them inside in terms of drinks and choosing boy companions off the stage, etc. The consequence is that they are usually busy and bustling most nights, whereas elsewhere in BoyzTown the boys are reporting a dearth of customers. My boyfriend is based at Pikky Bar and frequently video calls me from his 'welcome' table out in the soi and showing me scenes of an empty soi. BoyzBoyzBoyz opposite him is busy he reports, 'but all Chinese', he says. His bar and others around him seem all but empty. My spy in Classic Boy Bar says they are also hurting inside through lack of customers. Toyboys seems to have achieved critical mass at the moment. A steady flow of customers encourages a stage-full of near naked boys who get drinks and offs, which in turn encourages the customers to come in, etc. etc. My little spies in the bar say that there is also a steady flow of 'new' boys to bolster and refresh the numbers on stage each night. And, ironically, drink prices at Toyboys and BoyzBoyzBoyz are eye-wateringly high compared to their neighbours.

I don't think we should judge Trump harshly, just because he slept with Mike Pence. 😉

Trump never had time for US Security briefings, so napping during a criminal trial seems to fit his MO. Here is an image of Trump napping during a COVID briefing from Pence.

So I visited last Sunday to Thursday, 4 nights Bangkok to Manila via Cebu Pacific My first mistake I took a Thai guy with me which means I couldn't interact with other young guys on the SkyTrain etc because they seen me with him. So next time I will go alone I chose Airbnb and the reason why is because I wanted a condo building rather than a hotel reception ,they still have security guards but less intrusive,too many people walking in so they don't care about your visitors I stayed in The Beacon Makati condominiums Next time I will stay closer to Ayala One shopping mall where the MRT is , because Grab is too expensive, Yes they will like SIDES as many of them didn't want to fuck ,they just wanted to spank my ass and wanted me to lick their ass and dominate me Some just came over in their lunch breaks from their work nearby ,pulled down their pants and I sucked them off all in like 15 minutes I will be going back just for a week to be spanked again and pissed on and my face slapped I ended up licking like 10 assholes in 5 days and I could of done more It's not the same in Pattaya paying boys, the guys in Manila genuinely wanted to spank me and piss on me...all for free It was 825am I had a guy who was a young security guard message me he was in the next building, message me saying he love to quickly come up in his break and piss on me ,he expected no payment Makati , BGC shopping malls , I found a guy in Venice shopping mall in his 20's sucked his cock in the toilets....for free

The most remarkable thing in that article is this: As a Democrat, I lived through two elections where my candidate won millions more votes than the other one, and still lost. And, yes, I know we have a thing called the Electoral College. But if Republicans like the idea that a minority can win, because of the electoral college, they ought to feel it is more than fair that Trump won in 2016. Even though he lost by millions of votes. Instead, they want to bitch and moan about how unfair it is that Trump lost by even more millions of votes in 2020. The vast majority of Democrats deserve credit for believing in the fairness of elections. Even after Gore and Clinton were deprived of the victory they would have won in any other country that is called a democracy.

I guess that's what Hitler was concerned about also.

Is where the gay action used to be, I've been told Makati is better area to stay...I'm going in Feb and is where I'll stay, I stayed is Pasay last time and although it's nice and near the Mall of Asia, wasn't much action on the apps there. A friend stayed in Makati and he said it was non-stop 🤨