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@cuervoanderson you're in luck. I just posted an updated map of the gay ghetto this morning. Many of the hotels mentioned by others are marked. Except Rose Hotel, which I somehow forgot. It'll have to be amended when I get some time. See https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2023/12/07/map-of-silom-surawong-area-december-2023/

After supper at Foodland Patpong, Z and I went into Dreamboys. It was 11 plus and halfway into their show. Fewer customers and fewer guys working as compared to last Friday night. Show about the same. Z enjoyed watching the energetic dance numbers. He sang along to the songs that the ladyboy diva singers sang. He didn't like the erotic cock dancing and big cock show. When macho man in heels appeared, Z was taken aback at first but he enjoyed it as the performance went on. "You want to tip him?" I asked, holding out a 100-baht note. Z said yes and appreciatively handed the tip to macho man in heels on stage. Z recognised and called out to a Dreamboys guy. "He's my friend. He's from Myanmar." He is one of dancers for Sex Bomb dance and he is a good dancer. We watched him dance and I gave Z a 100-baht note to tip him. I can confirm that Myanmar dancer is not just working at Dreamboys purely as a dancer. He is available for off. He has a number on his white shorts and he went on rotation on stage with the other guys. So it seems that Dreamboys doesn't hire only Thai guys. They have guys from the other countries as well. At 12.15am, the coyote dancing began signalling the start of the 3rd show of the night. Only 6 guys dancing compared to 9 guys on Friday. When they ended, 3 guys received 100-baht tips each while the best 3 dancers received 1000-baht garlands each to applause. Z and I left after coyote dancing. I said bye to him. "See you next year, Myanmar boyfriend," I said to him as I hugged him. "See you next year, Singapore boyfriend," he replied.

It's a very old hotel, has been there for over 40 years maybe. I once toyed the possibility but was told that no joiners allowed. Speaking of which, I'd like to ask others who have stayed in some other hotels. Which of these forbid or tax joiners? Amara, 56 Surawong, Le Siam, De Arni. I have read on this forum that Siam Heritage does not allow joiners. I am thinking of amending my map to show hotel symbols in different colours depending on whether they are joiner-friendly. I think that will be useful.

When I am in Latin America, I usually don't walk around outside for an extended period of time. I take Uber if it is more than a 10-15 minutes walk. I don't take public transportation. Uber is so cheap, there is no reason for me to expose myself to a uncomfortable surrounding. I have been robbed in Brazil, so I know I should just bring only the money I need for the walk, I never use the phone on the street and never even hold the phone in my hand on the street. I don't wear any jewelry, don't wear watch. It is tiring to live a life like this, so I just don't go outside much at all while in Latin America. No sight seeing worth the risk of being attacked, in fact, the street scene in most of the Latin America is not pretty anyway, some are down right scary. If I want to see beautiful architecture or urban scenery, I will go to Europe. The one and only reason I visit Latin America is sex with beautiful muscle men.

I agree completely. What I'll never understand is who would ever want to work for Trump. Everyone has got to know that all Trump will do is make the people who work for him try to cover up his mistakes, then get thrown under the bus when they get caught. Surely people have to know Trump will always be the sleaze who will turn on anyone who even helps him. I have no sympathy for the Michael Cohens of the world. MC knew he was dealing with a fraudster and a liar. No boo-hoos when he finds himself in prison, having been even stiffed for his legal bills. Anyone who associates with and assists someone as morally bereft as Trump obviously is should not be surprised when the inevitable happens to him.

Yeah there is usually strict rules around fraternising with guests. It's usually something that will see the crew dismissed, especially the lower paid, easily replaceable crew. Somewhat irresponsible and unfair to seduce them into potentially losing their job, especially when there is zero blow back to you. I personally wouldn't want to retire on a cruise ship fwiw. I'm just relaying experience from a friend who worked in a senior position on cruise ships for many years

I have read before that the Tawanna (I think that was the former Ramada) taken over by another hotel chain (IHG) and will reopen as voco Bangkok Surawong in 2025 after a major renovation

Oops, PeterRS got in the way 😲 when I wrote "it's a very old hotel", I was referring to the Montien.

Whoa a (rare) complement from @scott456! I agree with @scott456 on this one. Money helps a lot, but GPs will account also for your perceived appearance and demeanor. I’ve had many GPs tell me they have refused clients over bad breathe or severe body odor, or any number of other physical attributes or traits they deem as unacceptable to work with. But money can only go so far. I know of a GP who was offered 2000 reias a day for 2 weeks to stay with a client, but quit after 4 days (and got compensated for those 4 days), because the client was super demanding and treated him like an object (and did other stupid things I will not mention). We forget sometimes that this is more or less just work for the boys, and is not always a good time for them, even if it’s a good time for us. It’s hard to be with someone disgusting or disagreeable for 24 hours a day, even if you are well compensated, and especially if the boy has other options, even for less money, but treated much better. @jaymelayu please let us know how you fare! I am sure you will be fine!

Guess I should count myself lucky. I've travelled to more than 70 countries; have never been robbed.

I've experienced two incidents of robbery during my +20 years living in Washington, DC, and my car was even shot once while parked in the street. Despite these unfortunate incidents, I still choose to call DC my home and feel safe here. I've also faced robbery situations in both New York City and Paris. However, these experiences haven't deterred me from returning to NYC cities multiple times, and I would return to Paris without thinking twice. I will continue to feel secure when visiting them. Interestingly, I've never encountered any incidents of robbery during my visits to Brazil or Colombia. Nevertheless, I believe my opinion and comfort level in these nations wouldn't change even if I were to experience a robbery in the future, which is a possibility.

I feel very much the same! I often thought in part it might be due to getting older and having more time to consider the state of the world. And then I thought about my parents and their generation. Their news was based on daily newspapers, radio news bulletins and later shortish television news bulletins. I remember them discussing a few national issues like the colossal mistake when France and Britain invaded Egypt in a vain attempt to re-take the Suez Canal afer Nasser nationalised it. It helped dethrone a UK Prime Minister and probably eventually a government, but that did not seem to matter so much to them. When relatives and their friends came round, I rarely remember national issues being discussed. I suspect there are are primarily three reasons for the changes since those days. The advance of television and the influence of television news programmes (and the political views of the owners of the stations) on everyone's thinking is onviously one. I can remember the times when the BBC was trusted as almost saintly in the way it reported actual facts. Interviews with politicians were genteel affairs. And if they ever ruffled politicians' feathers, there was hell to pay. One of the BBC's finest reporters and foreign correspondents was James Mossman. One evening he basically lost his BBC cool. There was a famous iive interview with Prime Minister Harold Wilson. He verbally attacked Wilson over his government's backing for President Johnson's stance on the Vietnam War when this appeared at odds with Wison's own philosophy. When Wilson, as was his habit waffled, Mossman would not let up. He kept on and on at Wilson in a manner we are more used to today. Wilson stormed out of the studio furious and made his anger known to the Director General the following day. Mossman was quickly relegated to hosting a new programme about the arts. Unhappy about his demotion and being away from the action of politics and foreign affairs, Mossman went into a depression. As a gay man he had fallen in love with a younger Canadian boyfriend. But he had died in his early 30s of an accidental overdose. Aged 44 Mossman then took his own life. If anyone is interested, there is a fascinating play about Mossman which was premiered at London's National Theatre 15 years ago. Titled The Reporter it was written by Nicholas Wright. The second reason surely is the freedoms that people in power now have to assert their own views however outlandish, wacky, even untrue they may be. Television has mushroomed to include channels to cater for every taste. I'm not sure to what degree they actually influence the views of most, but they certainly reinforce existing views. Thirdly social media has become an amazingly popular way to spread nonsense. Of course, much of its content is perfectly acceptable, but increasingly it seems to be what I call unsocial media. I actually fear for our futures when people like Musk, Trump and others increasingly control what they want us to believe.

Day 7 (Monday) - last full day in Bangkok on this one week trip and what a packed schedule. In morning after breakfast, I went to nearby St Louis Catholic Hospital to pass some money to my cha nuoi (godson). His condition had gotten worse since the last I met him and he had to be admitted to hospital for 2 nights. He had asked me to help him pay part of his hospital bill during his discharge and I said no problem. The hospital is just next to St Louis BTS. Modern and clean. Cha nuoi was staying on 20th floor. I knocked on door of his room and went in. A nurse was helping him take off the IV drip. Two of his Vietnamese friends were there as well to take him back home. One of them works at same packing and delivery business while the other was a stunner! He had tattoos on his left arm and was well-built. I had to ask. "You work in bar?" "Yes," he said in very low sexy voice. "Which bar?" "Jupiter." I was half-expecting that answer. I thanked him for looking out for my cha nuoi and then proceeded to ask him for his Line account. "Ok. No problem. My name is Man. You good friend. You help Tiep (cha nuoi's Vietnamese name) long time." "You good friend. Tiep sick and you help him." I swear cha nuoi was rolling his eyes at my shameless flirting. After the nurse finished her task, she left the room and I passed cha nuoi the money. I said my goodbye and wished him quick recovery and of course I also said goodbye to good friend from Jupiter.

First time Trump's ever told the truth.

I recently spent two weeks in Medellín, and it was an absolute delight. Having already explored most of the tourist attractions during my previous visit, this time I wanted to experience what it would be like to live in this city. I found a fantastic Airbnb in the Laureles neighborhood, just a stone's throw away from the Primer Parque. The unit had its own private exit leading directly to the street, providing me with the level of privacy I truly cherish. Plus, it came with a charming little backyard jacuzzi. During the first week, as I was on vacation, I had plenty of leisure time to wander around at my own pace, and I felt completely safe exploring the city. Instead of hitting the bars and clubs, I opted for a more peaceful experience and spent quality time enjoying the jacuzzi with some new acquaintances. Besides, it was very rainy the entire week. I was initially skeptical when some friends recommended webcam boys, but I stand corrected. I had the pleasure of meeting two remarkable hotties, one of whom was truly extraordinary. Surprisingly, they charged me not much more than the standard rate and seemed to enjoy spending long hours with me. They promised our encounters would be relaxed and unhurried ("sin afanes"), and they certainly delivered on that promise. I also decided to try out two escorts from Mileroticos, and I can wholeheartedly recommend them. I'll provide more detailed reports in the future, but for now, here are the links to their ads: https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/nuevo-chico-muy-sexi-nalgon-en-tu-ciudad/21215382/ https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/versatil-arrecho-complaciente-cuelo-intenso/24258607/ You can also check the "Perfiles con el mismo teléfono" button to find their other listings. Both experiences were fantastic, but I connected particularly well with the second one. After the first week of fucksgiving festivities, I had a week of teleworking, and I continued to meet with him. Grindr and Scruff proved to be very effective platforms for connecting with attractive individuals in my vicinity. Three of my encounters were within a 500-meter radius, while two were within a 2-kilometer radius. I made sure to inquire about safety from the people I met, and they all assured me that the city had improved in terms of security. The only area they strongly advised me to avoid at night was Centro, and I heeded their warning without question. I couldn't help but notice the ongoing gentrification in the Laureles neighborhood compared to my visit two years ago. There are now more restaurants, bars, and foreigners mingling about, and as a result, rental and Airbnb prices have risen. I'm seriously considering renting in a more popular neighborhood on my next trip, one of those hoods gringos are scared of. This was my first time flying with Copa Airlines, and I must thank my friends for the recommendation. The incoming flights were perfectly punctual, and I had almost no wait during the layover in Panama City. To top it off, my luggage was already waiting for me after I cleared immigration. I'm currently writing this report while waiting for my Uber to take me to the airport for my journey back home. If I encounter any inconveniences, I'll be sure to provide an update in this thread.

Hi there. Welcome to the forum

Seems like the scene in smaller cities are changing. Olimpo in BH no longer has GPs. The sauna in Curitiba that housed many really good looking GPs now changed owner and no longer has GPs. And now Porto Alegre seems like a hit and miss. Haven’t been back to Fortaleza, I wonder if California is still good.

And that's fair, but you're presenting this to everyone else like they can just go on a cruise and pick up the first cute waiter or cabin steward that catches their eye.

I think Porto Alegre scene is only happening during the weekends.

Even before becoming a Ramada it was a Holiday Inn! I stayed once and discovered it permitted joiners but there was a cashier at the lifts and if you had not pre-booked a twin room, you were charged for an extra person before you could take your boy du jour up to your room. Oddly no-one seemed to mind in those days.

Nor would I, even if I had the cash to afford one of the large apartments on The World. Imagine being stuck with the same restaurants, the same basic daily life, nowhere to walk other than around the ship etc. Great for a week or two; then plain boring.

What a sad and boring little person you are!

he might be many things, but boring, I would guess isn't one of them.....

I don't think it was just a case of following rules, it was more of being caught by the massive number of security cameras around the place. Also one guy told me he valued his job and would never break that particular rule. Different rules or different shopping lilnes perhaps.

If that were true, I wouldn't have stayed there on so many occasions! The a/c is both efficient and quiet.

TotallyOz, I m really curious: How can one feel safe after being robbed at gun point 3 times? I mean, at the very least u must feel that it can happen again. That's the definition of NOT feeling safe; isnt it? Furthermore, who's to say that on the 4th time the gun won't go on? I've been to brazil 3 times and to clmbia - 4. I like them, not only for the sex. M quite sure that if I was gun robbed once - I wldnt return )-:

As I've posted many times, I can recommend Tarntawan after more than fifty stays there. Its 300m from Patpong. And quiet! I've just booked a room for March via Agoda; £42 pn. Many gay visitors. And many "friends" of gay visitors.

What I still find fascinating is that people know who Putin is and what he does and what he stands for and they still stand by him. But, it is no different than those that know who Trump is, know what he does and still stands by him. I seem to have lost a sense of logic in the world that I can't fathom how I'll ever get it back. Politics is politics the world over but facts are also facts and the way some believe believe lie after lie or forgive lie after lie, is truly unbelievable to me. I have to be missing something.

But someone (not me) read people's posts as jokes.

People have been predicting that for at least 10 years.

I have never claimed to be an expert on the bars today - or even the more recent yesteryear. Although oddly I did walk through Patpong 2 six times in the last two evenings since I had to stay in a hotel on Suriwong while work was going on in my apartment! I noted that the Patpong Museum has moved to lower Patong 2 across from Foodand - and mention this only because there was a thread some months ago which I believe indicated the Museum had closed. My experience goes quite a bit further back. So I am perfectly happy that those who visit the bars nowadays do not agree with me. What I do know perhaps a little more about is the Thai elite. Not that I have ever been acquainted with more than one of them, but i also know quite a few who I call "semi-elite" in that they aspire to move up the social ladder and perhaps gain a Khunying or a Thanphuying title for their good deeds (which many actually get others to do for them!) In voicing my thoughts, I can assure you (should you wish such assurance and many will not) that I have aso spoken to good friends in Thailand, some of whom I have known for four decades, others more recently. They are much more closely connected to higher ups in Thai society than I would ever wish to be. Quite a few are friends with the writer, author and Asian expert, Alex Kerr. Although American, Kerr was born and brought up in Asia, has degrees in Japanese studies from Yale and in Chinese studies from Oxford Universities. With half a lifetime in Japan and half in Thailand, and several major books now published around the world, he has a vast circle of friends, mostly Japanese and Thai and mostly native experts in one or more fields . His first book Lost japan won Japan's highest literary award. Kerr is the only foreigner to achieve such a distinction. Afer moving to Bangkok he wrote Bangkok Found. This is no travel guide. More it delves under the surface of Bangkok and Thailand to explain basically what is what and not only why things are what they are but why they are still permitted to be what they are. His chapter on gay and straight nightlife is interesting for it gives a much greater insight into why things like go-go bars exist, why the elite loathe them and why, in Kerr's considered view, they will unlikely enjoy continued success in the longer term. That book has recently been substantially revised for publication by Penguin in other parts of the world. I have only read the original. For those wishing to explore more of Bangkok and all its glamour, excitement and occasional seediness it's a particularly easy read, but it is difficult not to agree with Kerr's views based on the multitude of those whom he consulted when writing it.

I am reporting live from LUX now. There are about 5 flat chested GPs, all seem well over 30 years old. And there are 2 customers. I have been here for 15 minutes here and will leave soon.

I asked in Colombia, from where this culture of cheating and over playing comes from. I was told its historically imported from Spain! 😀

Yes, people thought I was a fool because I was too generous and too kind, a sharp contrast to many of you here.

Catholic is the main religion in Brazil, and in Catholicism there is HELL for siners. I would suggest the problem is more of a cultural thing. Latin American culture is a culture of curruption and violence from the top down. There are wealthy Brazilians in middle/upper class, and they don't care about the welfare of their own poor citizens. It's a men eat men society in most of the Latin America (including Mexico).

I'd suggest religion is a significant factor. The idea of Kharma, and reincarnation leads people to accept their place in this life, and if they live it well, the next life will be better.

Sorry I just can’t agree with that. As has been stated several times before in this forum, the main reason is the improved economic opportunities for upcountry boys who used to supply most of the gogo bars as a result of Thailand’s considerable economic gains since the 1997 Asian Economic crisis. No longer do most have to work in the rice paddies or do other low paid work in the villages. Escalating rates of HIV and greater emphasis (no more alas) on health education may also have had something to do with it. I suspect bar owners would prefer more Thais to foreigners, many of whom are here illegally - but that’s just my guess. Another guess is that if there is a major clampdown on undocumented foreigners working in bars, I can’t see more Thai’s jumping in to take their place, even in the case of an economic recession as @reader has suggested. I reckon the apps will have done their job by then and the boys will prefer telephone dates to nightly parading and offs in bars.

I took BTS back to Sala Daeng. Saw that a new bar was being built next to Hot Male Beer Bar downstairs. It's in pink. Oh dear. Not a girlie bar please. Got some lunch then lazed at pool waiting for Grinder guy. Not just one but two in fact. One Thai guy. Mid 20s. Tall and twinkish. Freelancer just like the Thai guy I met yesterday. My other Grinder initiated session came in late afternoon. 34 years old. Laos. And surprise surprise he works at Super A! He was stopping by at my room for quickie before he reports for work at 6pm. Sex with him was the best among all the guys I met this trip. Experience trumps pretty boy looks, sexy 6-pec abs body and skilful massage skills, I guess.

I've been here at least 75+ times, lived here in 2004.....and after the trio I had tonight, would risk it all to come back, lol

Because of the type of ships you were on....... I've done 100+ cruises, interact very little with other pax. The itinerary and the crew is what keeps me entertained 😉

There are long lists of these people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_businesspeople_(2022–2023) "...Ravil Maganov, chairman of the national oil company Lukoil, fell from a Kremlin Hospital window under suspicious circumstances, according to reports: CCTV cameras had been "turned off for repairs", Putin was visiting the hospital the same day, and associates did not believe he was suicidal...". Whether or not you personally witnessed this event is dumb and irrelevant. Do not continue to make a fool of yourself by denying what is documented and common knowledge. You continue to intentionally make false statements of fact, which are easily disproven, and this only makes you come off as a liar. And your continued arrogant refusal to use google translate doesn't make you look any wiser (though at least this time I understood what you were trying to say).

Drumpf says: "We’ve Been Waging an All-Out War on American Democracy"

After fellow forum member left at 11 plus, I decided to go to Dreamboys. Show was midway. Seats all taken but mamasan managed to squeeze me in left corner. There were both male and female customers. I was seated diagonally across the hall facing a certain Hotmale Beer Bar waiter with Japanese lady customer in private sofa booth. I also saw many guys who were at Circus and Balcony in Soi 4 earlier in evening. Show was same as when I watched in June. Mix of different types of performances for everyone from the casual curious tourist who just wandered in to the seasoned visitor. Ladyboy diva singing, energetic dancers, slapstick masked face comedy, macho man in heels dancing and the usual erotic dancing with cocks exposed - this had everything for everyone! The entire show lasted till 1am with 10-minute intermission every half hour where the guys went on stage for prospective customers to off. Half the audience left at midnight after big cock show. After 10-minute intermission with guys on stage, the show continued. Coyote dancing at 12.30am saw an appreciative customer giving 100 baht tips to the 9 guys who danced. They formed a line to collect their tips with one guy even kneeling and wai-ing! At 1am, the music stopped and show was over. I headed to Screwboys to off the guy I saw last night (no.93). Unfortunately he had been taken. So I went back to hotel alone on day 4.

From Pattaya Mail PATTAYA, Thailand – The Thai government has approved the draft regulation for an urgent extension of operating hours for entertainment venues in strategic tourist locations. The move aims to stimulate tourism and sustain economic growth in specific regions. The approved policy will allow entertainment venues, especially those within hotel premises, in Bangkok, Phuket, Chonburi (Pattaya), Chiang Mai, and Ko Samui, to extend their operating hours until 4 a.m. This extension is set to commence on December 15. And for the New Year’s Eve, it is allowed until 6:00 a.m. on January 1, 2024.

I forgot to add that one of the books that has most affected me during my many decades living in Asia is Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia by renowned British journalist and historian William Shawcross. Shawcross has impeccable credentials apart from the fact that his father Lord Shawcross was the lead British prosecutor at the WWII Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal. I read the original version when it was first published. The 2002 revised edition is fractionally less critical of Kissinger and Nixon but still a masterful piece of reporting and a devastating account of a foreign policy disaster. Of the revised edition, The Boston Globe wrote, "Remarkable and compelling . . . FIrst and foremost an American political thriller . . . where American officials spied on each other, lied to each other and falsified reports . . . ALL TOO REAL!" The New York Times wrote, "Sideshow excels . . . it has the sweep and shadows of a spy novel as it portrays the surreal world of power severed from morality." https://www.amazon.com/Sideshow-Kissinger-Nixon-Destruction-Cambodia/dp/081541224X

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