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Much more expensive, I cannot deny. Mainly because of the travel. Once there, hotel rates are cheap compared to Europe and food....well, we eat well though not extravagantly every night. Neither of us drinks alcohol which is a help, but we find it nigh on impossible to spend more than 1000 bht for two. Three trips a year, each of three weeks. Some consider this too little- I agree sometimes- but I find the anticipation and then the recollection of the days in Thailand means that I always have something to look forward to. And my life in London has pleasures that not available in Thailand, cultural, political and sporting- if you can call being a season-ticket holder at a Premiership football club "sporting"!

Around 30 years ago, when I was much, much younger, and Pattaya was a gay paradise, my friend and I had nowhere to sit in a bar in Boyztown - was it Throb? too long ago to be sure. We had to share a table with a guy (he was alone) who didn't mind at all. In fact he probably welcomed the company and the opportunity to make conversation. I remember this incident even though it was the last century because it was the first time I had ever met someone with a foot fetish. For the better part of the time in that bar, he went on and on, and my friend and I had little to say in response. Looking back, I should be grateful to him. He opened my then-younger eyes to the fact that all of us have wildly different tastes. Sure, growing up gay, we sort-of know that. Most of my college friends liked pussy, but the very thought of it freaked me out. However, the flip side of that sense of exclusion from the straight fellowship was to seek identity in the gay minority, yet in doing so, I must have somehow assumed that if they're gay like me, their erotic desires must therefore be similar to mine. How wrong I was. I am sure most posters here, in their life journeys, have come to same conclusion, each of us via our individaul learning journeys, though mine was unusual in having been through a baptism of a foot monologue. One of the most fascinating things about this board is that, in the course of members either describing their trip reports or asking questions about what to expect in places they're planning to visit, between the lines in the posts one can sense what their erotic desires are. Having had my eyes opened years ago, I've been watching this space, so to speak, and now may be a good time to throw in some ideas about what I have observed. (I am also nervous about opening this topic because it can get controversial.) Here I am not referring to the appeal of physique, you know, the twink-lovers, hunk-lovers, chubby chasers, etc. There are different ways to look at desire. The first cut I can think of - and the categories are not meant to be exclusive, in fact, there is likely to be a continuum of tastes - goes like this: 1. Those who give more weight to the visual 2. Those who give more weight to the tactile 3. Those looking for a boyfriend experience (the connection of personality) I see Group (1) among the posters whose focus lie in how the boy looks - whether he be twink or twunk or hunk or whatever. This is the market for Moonlight's models, with people ready to pay remium pricing because the guys look a certain way. I also see Group (1) in those posters who've clearly asked for information about satisfying their body worship desires, as well as in those who describe themselves as choosy about a certain "type" of partner. The visual leaves me relatively cold, which also correlates with the fact that I don't have a specific "type" that I am looking for. Instead, I see myself as a Group (2) where the tactile pleasure is more important than the visual.In other words, it doesn't really matter what the sex worker looks like; I want the delirium of hands on body or body pressing body. Members here may have noticed that I write a lot more about massage than about offing gogo boys, for example. Then there are posters here who ask for information about overnights or about going off to an island for a few days with someone (even temporarily) special. I call them Group (3). The boyfriend experience (even if fleeting) is at the centre of desire. Yet another way to slice the pie is like this: 4. Genital focussed sex 5. Warm-body sex Especially on the Latin America forum, many trip reports spotlight either insertive sex or the size of the appendage. There is hardly any description of the body that the cock is joined to. Here and there in the Thailand forum, whenever a boy is mentioned (e.g. because he was advertised on a massage site) the question is quickly Top or Bottom? I may be wrong (since I don't belong to this Group (4) but at least in my imagination, the sex that takes place has a greater emphasis on penetration (one direction or the other). I am Group (5). The size of the appendage has rarely mattered to me (unless it's been disfigured by silicone). I have had great time swith guys (paid and unpaid) who might not have been more than 10 cm (not that I measured). Instead it's the full-body "wrestling" that's been important. As a result, those (usually straight) boys whose idea of servicing a customer is either to stand beside the bed and give a handjob or move into a penetrative position as a matter of course, have always left me utterly frustrated. Are there other categories that others have observed?

You make the ridiculous assumption that just because one is anti-Trump that this is pro-Biden. Biden is too old and a bad candidate because of it. Trump is, in no particular order, a sociopath, a narcissist, a liar, a serial sex offender, a racist, a sexist, anti-gay, anti-military, an insurrectionist and a traitor. They are both awful candidates but I'd go for the person who's too old over someone like Trump.

I for one thought it was downright magnanimous of you to volunteer your post to be moved to Beer Bar where you could feed on it from your perch. Btw, DOA, your writing style has given away your older screen name.

I've used Siamroads twice. The first time on my first trip to Bangkok (Ya I think) and the second time on my first trip to Chiang Mai (Woody). The guides were professional and Ya saved me a fortune with some advice prior to arrival and saved me much time with coordinating site visits. I'd be happy to use them again. I really don't get the cancel/bullying culture. If you don't want to use a service, don't. It's really none of your business if others want to though. If you don't want to read them on this forum, again don't. Personally I like to see services advertised here and especially reviews as it takes some of the worry out of finding such services in the wider internet.

Warning to all, stay on the original topic and not politics. Further discussion about Russia in this thread will be removed. Moses is allowed to have his viewpoint on politics and that need not be brought into Siam Roads threads each time. For the record: Russians are hated. Americans are hated. French are hated. on and on I could go. I think we are all hated by some to a degree. Except the Brazilians. Damn, that is either amazing or they are so fucking hot no one cares.

So, you read many sites from all parts of the spectrum but have no interest in this one because it's a total nobody on a site no one has heard of yet say you read it anyway but didn't bother with any of the sources. You should ask for your money back from Trump University. You're more incoherent than either Trump or Biden.

Maybe things are slowly improving? https://www.bangkokpost.com/life/social-and-lifestyle/2693024/championing-change When Jasmin* transferred to Pibulwitthayalai School in Lop Buri, Sutep Upayak, a guidance counsellor and admissions committee member, learned she had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a psychiatrist....

So, I'll try to break it down for you. When you said Thai guys, Myanmar guys, viet guys, etc. I was letting you know that there are many people that hate them too just because of where they are from or the color of their skin. In America, do you know how Asians have felt over the past many years (during and after Covid). The hatred is rampant and it is not just against Americans and Russians but in all places people make quick judgements based on where someone is from. That is the point I was trying to make but if both you and PeterRS don't get it, I must have said it wrong or not have explained myself.

Enjoy your life at retirement travel all around and do the things you like why enslave yourself to a business and kill all the fun ?

What a silly comment - unless it is made specifically about that very small group whom some regard as sexpats! There is also a huge group of expats of various nationalities who live in Thailand for whom sex is far from the primary issue. Even if it were, that hardly diminishes their experience from work and other charitable experiences in their home countries. I have an American friend who is married to his partner and they have been together for around 35 years. He has a great deal of experience as one of the most senior executives in his company. They certainly have many gay friends but never visit gay establishments. On the other hand they do have spare time which they would willingly contribute.

The first series this year that excites me! Tay tawan fan/polca here 🥰

Premiers on December 9. Here’s the official trailer:

Bamboo has become yet another victim or corporate fraud from within its own ranks. When it first announced ambitious expansion plans in the heady days of air travel before Covid struck, I was hopeful that increased competition on long haul Ir routes into SE Asia would keep fares in check. The pandemic changed all that but the majority of the well-managed carriers not only survived but are now thriving. Sadly, it looks like greed is going to clip Bamboo’s wings. At the moment, what the market needs—well, what the consumer needs—is for the huge China carriers to resume international service to a level it was pre-Covid. It looked for a while that it was baked in but now an outbreak of respiratory illness in the northern part of the country is making headwinds along with some political and economic issues. In the meantime, fliers have no choice but to accept a higher rate environment. Longer but less frequent trips is one work around for the retired crowd and business nomads. Value can still be found but it requires a lot of flexibility. ========= From Thai PBS World Thai Health Ministry dealing with potential spread of respiratory illness from China The Thai Ministry of Public Health has adopted four precautionary measures to cope with a respiratory illness which is now spreading among children in northern China. https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-health-ministry-dealing-with-potential-spread-of-respiratory-illness-from-china/

And, as always, you misquote

You forget that forum gets read by many non-members. But in any case, Moses, I can well appreciate why you are eager to take advantage of the free speech opportunity the forum offers because you certainly can’t in Russia. But you do risk turning off potential clients with your geopolitical positions. So if that isn’t a concern, knock yourself out, man. And for the record, I would care if I knew I was patronizing a business whose views are so much at odds with my own. I’m satisfied at this point that I do indeed have a good picture of how Siam Roads operates. Not really different than a hotel booking service. To your credit, it’s a good model to mimic.

I went to Dream Boy and Jupiter on last weekend, totally agreed with you especially that show in Jupiter perform by good looking guys, some are fresh and young, I love the transparent underwear dance so much, can see through everything The dancer in Dream Boy all lack of energy, I think I saw them few years ago and they just repeat the dance move without soul.

We have now survived the first year after the pandemic, which was not always easy; the many tourists who used to come stayed away for a long time. Now, for this year's Loy Krathong Festival, things are looking up again. We would like to thank our loyal community from the bottom of our hearts for supporting us during these difficult times. The Adams Apple Club Chiang Mai team wishes everyone a Happy Loy Krathong Festival 2023.

Trump is a libertarian icon. Diapers allow him to shit anytime, anywhere. VIVA LA LIBERTAD!

Exactly, DOA. Your posts should indeed be moved to dung heap. You again display great magnanimity.

An 83-year old friend loved Killers of the Flower Moon and sat through all 3 1/2 hours without a pee break. He loved the movie so much that he is willing to do it again. I read (most) of the book and lost interest in seeing the movie. BTW, @unicorn they do have adult diapers that I am told would get you through the movie.

Nice boy goes upscale. Another success story?

I saw both Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon in a theater without any issue. And for both there was something to be said for the experience of seeing it in a theater exactly as intended. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer people who can go any length of time without checking their cell phone (or apparently having to potty though that wouldn't annoy me that much--sit towards the aisle if you have issues...) so I'm not sure it's going to last especially for auteur movies like these (Oppy's success was probably a fluke).

No need to shut it down. It has been going well for nearly two years and there are clearly people who have benefitted from it. Just need to move the troll posts by the flamers to where they belong, which is either the bin or the dung heap that is the Beer Bar.

Thanks. I better understand your line of thinking up to a point. What still puzzles me is how Brazilians fit into this. Are you saying that no one hates them? I don’t but I can’t speak for the rest of the world. However, if you judge from recent elections there, half the Brazilians appear to hate the other half. Not really unlike many other countries.

Outside the world of pop, I cannot think of any artist/musician whose recordings continue to sell better year after year even 50 years after his/her death. I guess Frank SInatra must be up there somewhere but then he's only been gone for 25 years or so. In the classical sphere, Pavarotti will surely be up there for many years to come, but again it's only been 16 years since his death. The one who proves us wrong died 50 years ago this coming Saturday. Since then the recordings of soprano Maria Callas continue to outsell those of any other EMI artist before and since. Extraordinary, the more so when you realise she was only 53 when she died and had spent many of her earlier years away from singing. Yet there is something about that voice that results in her continuing appeal. That she was a consummate stage actor in addition to being one of the most in-demand opera singers of her time hardly matters today since there are now very few alive who actually saw her in her prime. Perhaps part of the reason is that through her voice she became the characters she was portraying. In essence she was The Diva. We tend to think of her as Greek; yet she was actually born in New York to Greek immigrant parents. Her mother lavished little attention on her as she had been desperate for a son. Then she realised her daughter was a decent singer and around the age of five pushed her to lessons despite Maria having little interest. With a deteriorating marriage, Maria's mother took her to Greece aged 13. According to both her later husband and her soon-to-become good friend, the famed mezzo-soprano Giulietta Simionato, during WWII her mother forced her to go out with various men. Both denied she had ever become a prostitute but the experience haunted her throughout much of her life. Soon Callas ceased all communication with her mother. In Athens she was not permitted to enter the Music Conservatoire. So she took private lessons. Eventually she moved to Italy where one of the great conductors of the day took her under his wing. But she started her main career singing a variety of roles that no soprano would even consider today. The great, heavy dramatic roles of Wagner's Brunnhilde and isolde were interspersed with the high, far lighter soprano and often coloratura roles in La Traviata and Lucia di Lammermoor. Soon the doors to the great opera houses of the world were opened for her, mostly in her new bel canto repertoire. Desperate for love in what had till then been very much a loveless life, in 1949 she married the industrialist Giovanni Meneghini. He was soon managing much of her career, but she remained unhappy. She had always been overweight and around 1953 decided that for the roles she was then singing she needed to be much slimmer. So she lost 37 kgs. Some thought this dramatic weight loss must have affected her voice for it is from the diaphragm that the voice is produced and must be supported. But there is no doubt that the 'new' Callas looked one of the most beautiful in the opera firmament. Wherever she went she was front-page news, not only for the magnificence of her performances but also not a few scandals. It was in 1957 that an event occurred which totally changed her life and career forever. Although still married to Meneghini, at a society party in New York she was introduced to the Greek Shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis, one of the world's richest men. Although he was 19 years older, this was to lead to an intense affair that brought even more headline attention. That the two were in love is certain. But whether Onassis loved Callas as much as she loved him is still a matter of debate. It certainly became the most talked about affair of the decade, the more so as both still remained married. In 1966 Maria renounced her US citizenship to facilitate the end of her relationship with Meneghini, certain that she would soon be marrying Onassis, even though aware that Onassis was compulsively unfaithful. But three bullets in Dallas were to put an end to those dreams, even though both were soon single again. After the assassination of JFK, Onassis discovered an even more valuable prize. Although arguably a man with ugly features, he exuded immense charm in addition to his immense wealth. He saw in Kennedy's widow a wife who could open so many doors for him. She saw in him the degee of wealth necessary to take her out of the papparazi limelight and protect her and her children. It was a marriage that rocked the world. For Maria it was a devastating blow from which she would never recover. She had already given up so much to be Onassis' other half. Now that he was gone, she went into a state of desperate depression. She had all but given up performances on the opera stage. Eventually she took part in two world tour recitals, the critics lamenting at how the once glorious voice was frayed and a travesty of what it had once been. Onassis was an ill man. He entered hospital in Paris in early 1975. The relationship with Jackie was by now virtually at an end. His one visitor was the woman he had scorned: Maria Callas. He had taken with him to the hospital Maria's final gift to him: a red cashmere Hermes blanket. Although she was not with him when he died in March that year, thereafter she became a virtual recluse, stayiing in her own Paris apartment and rarely moving outside. She died of a heart attack just two years later at the ae of 53. Many believed she had in fact died of a broken heart. There are dozens of recordings of Callas in her prime. There is also the superb black-and-white video of Act 2 from Zeffirelli's production of Puccini's Tosca at the Royal Opera House with the excellent Tito Gobbi as Baron Scarpia. Here Scarpia attempts to persuade Tosca to sleep wth him in return for letting her lover out of prison. She agrees but after obtaining the release papers, she kills him. There are also books galore about her life. Two worth mentioning are Greek Fire: The Story of Maria Callas and Aristotle Onassis by Nicholas Cage is well worth a read for the insight it brings to that strange relationship; and Maria Callas: The Woman Behind The Legend by Arianna Stassinopoulos Huffington who was also Greek by birth is another riveting story.

Your sources? Without them you have nothing!

From March 2023? It was Indonesian election time. When it gone, nobody cares anymore. Russians still have visa on arrival (VOA) for 30+30 days. Plus since that time additional possibility for Russians - e-VOA has been added also for to shorten waiting time in airports.

Sorry to say I also don't get it either! Given the title of the thread, let's be honest! This is just a free advertisement for Siam Roads. That organisation is run by @Moses as a business which gets a lot of PR from the gay chat site he himself owns and operates - sawatdee network. Given that @Moses frequently posts here in other threads with a very pro-Russian and frequently very anti-western line (often without accurate or even any source material I should add), I believe this is an important point for those who might wish to use the services of Siam Roads. But that I guess is his privilege under the membership rules. The essential point here is not that the guides themselves are pro-Russian - or indeed express any political views. I believe from reports that they are all extremely good at their jobs. Yet, given the political times we live in and the illegal invasion of Ukraine (as defined by the United Nations) and the fact that the USA and NATO countries are spending massive amounts of cash and materiel helping Ukraine against Russian aggression with its Iranian - and perhaps even North Korean and Chinese allies, even as one who has loved his four visits to Russia I would not patronise any Russian-based business at the present time. Similarly I would not patronise a business run by either Hamas or Israel or any other country presently at war. (Specifically I do not include countries whose politics alone I do not agree with. The essential here is "war".) So I do not believe @Moses should be given a free ride here. If it means a three-month ban on my posting, so be it. I feel very strongly on this issue and if I am not permitted to express it, whatever action the moderator takes is perfectly fine with me.

Interesting article in today's Guardian about Napoleon in art. Most of us know the painting by Jacques-Louis David showing Napoleon on his horse crossing the Alps, a truly dominant leader yet a curiously static portrait. David's rather kitsch painting of Napoleon's coronation is equally well known. One of David's pupils was less adulatory. Antoine-Jean Gros had seen Bonaparte at the Battle of Pont d'Arcole. A dark painting with only Bonaparte's determined face highlighted, Gros is obviously enamoured at this time of Napoleon's greatness. Later Gros was to become much less enchanted with his subject. He depicts the Battlefield at Eylau. Now he portrays a more thoughful, subdued and melancholy leader, a preface perhaps of what was to come in the disastrous advance on Russia. Then there was the great British artist Turner who virtually paints Napoleon's epitaph. Here is shown alone, apart from a guarding British soldier in the background. War: The Exile and The Rock Limpet portrays him in exile on St. Helena, a little man staring down at his shadow in a pool, day-dreaming perhaps of what might have been. https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/nov/23/ridley-scott-artists-napoleon-short-turner

Came across a video on CNN this morning that showed the building where a group of Thai hostages, working a dairy farm near Gaza, were taken by Hamas and slaughtered. Murder in all its forms seems epidemic across the globe at this moment in time.

It would be a nice gesture, I think, if they named the guided tours after the boy who died earlier this year in England of an apparent suicide.

All murder is senseless! If only those who commit it took time to think about their possible action beforehand perhaps there might be less. Unless suicide is the eventual outcome, a lifetime in prison is almost certain to follow. In Thailand on Saturday there was one that on the face of it seems totally senselss and barbaric. At his wedding party in Korat a bridegroom went on a rampage using a gun to kill his bride, her mother, her younger sister and a wedding guest. Yet another guest is in serious condition. The groom then shot himself and died. It seems the groom had serous mental problems. He had been a former marine soldier based at Sattahip. He had become disabled after being run over by a train (how on earth does that happen, I wonder?) and lost a leg. Yet he had become a valued member of the Thai team of disabled athletes and won a silver medal in swimming at the 2022 Asian Games in Indonesia. Some webstes suggest that inaddition to his disabilities, although he had lived with his future bride for three years he had become concerned at their age difference. He was 29 and his bride was 44. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2692584

Sorry, I don’t get it.

You should definitely go to 24 Kalkan in Shinjuku. Like almost everywhere in Asia, there are some younger guys who enjoy being with and having sex with older guys, especially if they are foreigners and like you in good shape. Tokyo is no exception. There is at least one University quite close by and so some of the students pop in after their studies. It will take a bit of time to wander around and get noticed, but that's part of the fun. Getting there is easy wherever you are staying in the city. The ideal subway stop is Shinjuku-Sanchome on the red Marunouchi Line. Turn left at the exit and continue through the underground passage to the BYGS building exit (I believe that is Exit C8). That puts you right in the gay bar district and 24 Kaikan is only a short 2 block walk from there. I once went on a Saturday afternoon and met a very nice 30ish Japanese guy who came on to me. It later turned out that he was married with two kids, but Saturday was his day away from the family and all he liked to do was visit 24 Kaikan and loved being a bottom! One point to note is that it shuts the bathing area for about 30 minutes for cleaning. I think this is around 6:00 pm but somehow it's best to check, for that area also includes the warm pools, cold pool, shower stalls, sauna, rainshower room and a steamroom that usually has some activity going on. You definitely want to be there when it is open. The 24 in Ueno is also worth a look, although it is further away from Ueno station. As @StickyRice35 points out in his post, it generally has a slightly older clientele and is a smaller facility. There is also - or was - the original 24 in Asakusa (not to be confused with Akasaka) which is best reached by the Ginza Line. I do not know if it still exists. It was a much older facility and generally had a much, much older clientele, although I sometimes met young students there. It is located behind the famous Sensoji-Temple.

Memories and anticipation! Very good point. Where would we be without them.

Bamboo Airways last month appointed former executive of Pacific Airlines and Air Mekong Luong Hoai Nam as its new CEO, the third in five months. The carrier has been going through major leadership changes ever since its chairman Trinh Van Quyet was arrested in March last year for stock market manipulation and fraud.

1) I have never quoted him. 2) I have never used red highlights. 3) The fact you never read from, quote or listen to anyone from "the lunatics" is hardly a surprise. Your choice of news though is such that one might place you in the band of "lunatics" on the right. If the two extremes keep going the way they are in the US there is going to be bloodshed.

Hello Everyone I'm devastated to have just returned home from a trip to BKK. I hadn't been since 2019 and definitely made up for lost time. It was sad to see Soi Twilight gone since I was last there, but also exciting to see new (and old) bars sprouting up across the street. I don't do massage places, so this is just some notes on the bars I visited Dreamboys Dreamboys (original) was the first bar I ever visited in BKK, and we've made a tradition of always visiting here on our first night. I always remember this place more for its crazy shows - like where the big inflatable cock squirted water over everyone. That seems gone now sadly. New venue is a good size. Boys are of mixed type. I'm concious from other threads that the owner fired non-Thai boys. I met one Viet working in Fresh Boys who said he had been let go from Dreamboys recently, but didn't elaborate, so this might be related. Jupiter Probably the bar that excites me the most and frustates me the most in all of Bangkok. Most of the guys here are undoubtely gorgeous - straight looking, athletic, confident types - some very good looking. This bar has a slightly cooler atmosphere to it. Some members complain about perhaps the boys being too... modelly. I get that. But they work for me. I have to say that their shows are the sexiest. I find most bars don't use best looking boys for the shows (maybe the best looking boys are not the best performers) but in Jupiter, the guys performing are great. The guys are all shirtless and will do 3 or 4 parades around the bar - sometimes in pants, and sometimes in jeans. Always seemed to be busy. We visited 3 times - even early in the week at 10, and could barely get a seat! But I find this place frustrating because the best looking guys almost always seemed to be taken quickly (or reserved) by high-rollers, VIPs, or rowdy tables of young women. Only on the last night, did one of the mamasans show any interest in asking us if we we wanted anything. He took me "shopping" backstage to find boy I liked. Worked out in the end... On a side note, a couple of guys I was interested were performers, but did not wear numbers on their jeans on the final "walk" of the night. Could not tell if they were simply non-offable performers, or perhaps if they were already taken. Does anyone know why they walk without numbers? On a second side note - some v cute, young-looking waiters - with numbers. Strange mix. I would imagine that the people coming to see the guys at Jupiter, would not be interested in this type. Moonlight I like the atmosphere in this bar. Even on a late weekday night, the place was busy with all kinds of customers, and everyone excited to see the performers. I have to admit, I had grown tired of seeing all the usual "superstars" in pics and videos online. But they still put on a great show. And seeing Babe perform again in person - he is beautiful. That smile! The selection of boys is good looking - feel like they have a similar vibe to Jupiter - the kind of guys young female tourists want to drink with. Most wore jeans & t-shirts. Tawan Only visited here once. Only ever visit here once on any trip. I take a notion to see these big guys out of curiosity, but ultimately bodybuilders are not my type, and the show is too rough for me - it had whipping, cigarettes, wax etc. As some members have pointed out, I did see one twink here - but he seemed to be the bottom for the muscle boys. He got carrieed around the room, table to table, for tips, while being f*cked. Fresh Boys Really liked the selction of guys here. Almost totally twinks (some twunks). All shirtless. They did a big cock show where they whack their dicks against a metal pole. Ouch. Hot Male Only visited here once, briefly, after midnight. The guys were attractive and nice bodies. I didn't see much of interest for myself, but I don't want to say its indicative of the bar, given how late I visited. Screw Boy First revalation of the trip. I don't know why I didn't visit here on previous trips. I sometimes got a sense from this forum that this bar was seedy or low class or something, so I was never really inclined to go. We ended up here somewhat accidentally when, after leaving a last minute, post-midnight trip to Fresh Boys, empty-handed, a hawker grabbed us surreptitiously on the staircase. "Show at 1!" So we went in. Really liked this place. I was delighted, not just to find a bar that opened later than the others on this street (they do shows at 1 am), but it had lots of really cute young guys, a fun atmostphere (opposite of cool atmosphere of Jupiter), 2 fun, friendly mamasans, good music and also a young male performer who looked like he could be an idol or something (later discovered he is a male performer on the Ladyboys of Bangkok tour). The guys all wore matching white baseketball outfits. Visited here 3 times. Banana Bar Second revalation of the trip. I was not going to go to this bar because there was nothing written about it in the forums that made it particularly stand out to me. But I was left alone by my friend one night of the trip because of a business meeting. After a drink alone at Connections Bar on Soi 4, I decided to wander in and had a great night. Beautiful ladyboys and performers, who had toured the UK as part of "The Ladyboys of Bangkok". Main performer very handsome. Waiters were friendly. And also I was startled to meet the mamasan here who used to work in X-Boys. I spoke to her about some of the changes since I had last been here. Of course a lot of money was spent. Amateur. Went back second night, but attention was on a VIP table. Mamasan told us same customer had spent 100k tips on a previous night. Wow. Had the same big cock pole whacking show as Fresh Boys. G's Third revelation of the trip. Sorry, I know this isn't about a bar - but I had never been to G's restaurant before on Soi 4. My friend and I went one night and got German/Thai fusion dishes which were delicious. Fully intended to go here again, but didn't due to other commitments, but this will definitely be a stop for dinner on the next trip. Recommended! Did not get to visit Sol or New Twilight unfortunately. Frustations with "Line" - had line contact for one of the Moonlight stars but when I logged into a very old account, it wouldn't let me add new contacts. So I tried to sign out and back in again, but said my account was blocked for 58 days. End of that adventure. Very sad and exhausted to be home now. But hope you enjoy my notes.

I completely agree. Try the Boutique Hotel Palacio. It's in the heart of zona colonial and they check the of the person. NOT sure If they keep the ID, but they for sure check for ID (identification, not the lube). LOL! If someone doesn't have any identification, they can't get in and its probably best that you steer clear of anyone without any identification. A few years ago they had a friendly, amazing, chubby, dark skin Dominican who worked security at the hotel. Manny can pick you up from the airport and take you out to clubs to meet guys. He also has some guys you might be interested in. The key is to be safe so having a place with some type of sector is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, my friend. Hope you have fun!

Observing current situation in Pattaya, I think idea to open nursing home is quite interesting idea. Bungalows in the garden, skilled chief at the kitchen, cute "nurses", doctor's patronage, legal adviser for to fill all these govt's forms for your clients, and group excursions around from time to time - islands, concerts, museums.

None of those deplorables are great with comebacks -- or words in general. They can only resort to their old right-wing memes and fake accusations. Here's one of them: Joe Biden wears diapers. But then there's actual reality: Donald Drumpf has actually been seen wearing diapers (with trousers on backwards). And who can ever forget this eye-searing image?

You're not very good with comebacks are you 🙄

Took me less than 12 hours to figure out you are not someone we need on this site. So, bye bye. This is truly the way forums work. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I did some extensive research when I was in Tokyo last. Tried 4 brothels and two "massage" services. Background: I'm Asian, fairly young, in really good shape. Like others have said, all these places make you take a shower first. It's with the boy and actually quite nice. Don't let the soap sit for too long on you though; it's a germicidal soap and will dry your skin out, and even burn in one case, if it sits for more than a few minutes A lot of these places will give you discounts if you visit between 12-5, if you visit during the week, etc. And you can also go through the catalog of boys when you're there. Brothels - TK - https://kids-jp.com/en/tk/ not gonna spell out the name because it creeps me out to have the second word associated with a brothel... saw three guys. They have some hot boys for sure! Kyoh and Yasutaka were both extremely hot and had amazing bodies but weren't the most enthusiastic. Isamu was very enthusiastic but didn't have as nice of a body. Very nice facilities and easy to get to in Shinjuku Chance - https://chance-shinjuku.jp/cast/ did outcall for a threesome and incall for a 1:1. For the outcall, they brought every thing they needed. Shinji is a super hot young short top. He came with Ryuki who was very nice but wasn't a great bottom, the role I wanted him to be; he couldn't take my cock. Also did an incall with Shintaro who is suuuuper sexy. I took a chance on him because they didn't have his face unblurred on the site (they do now), and I'm super glad I did. Incall facilities are also very nice. Shinji and Shintaro both speak excellent English An Independence - https://en.hi-na.com/cast/ Did incalls with them. Saw Yuito twice, Haruki once. Yuito is so cute and has a great body and really sweet. He's the stereotypical Japanese guy you see in Japanese porn that is super sensitive and moans when you touch him. Haruki was nice but didn't look like his photos. Facilities here were also really nice DG - https://www.dgdgdg.com/boy/list.php?shop_id=10 saw Aoba for an incall. Very cute guy, can actually take a pounding. Saw Sakito for an incall. Absolutely gorgeous and cool and sexy and a good top. "Massage Services" Redline - https://www.redline03.com/boys/ Saw Keisuke for an incall. My 90-minute course got changed to a 60-minute because the owner had to push back the session by 30 mins and then I was 15 mins late. They say on the site that sex isn't an option during a 60-minute course but I thought maybe because they were the ones who pushed it back, that it could still happen. It couldn't. TERRIBLE facilities, exactly what you'd think a brothel would look like. Terrible massage. But Keisuke was indeed very cute and had a giant dick Cream Men's Spa - https://creammensspa.com/ Pretty great experience. Owner was pretty accommodating and sent me profiles of guys not on the site. Did an out-call

I've tried both masseurs at Pointe. The very muscular one does a very good massage. The other one is OK, but definitely is more interested in extras. Marlon at Solaryun is an excellent masseur as is Vinicius. Both are gay so I'm assuming more could happen. But I go there just for the quality massage.

drinks in Jomtien 100-150, off fee 300-400, tip expected 1000-1500 short time , 2000, may be more for long time in Boyztown drinks in host bars the same as jomtien in go-go 400-500, off fee 500-1000 ( yes , at BoyzBoyzBoyz I was quoted that last time there in May), tips 2000 short time , 3000 long time, BoyzBoyzBoyz boys may ask for more. You are so many days it should not be problem to visit all 6 go-gos in Boyztown plus both in Sunee ( apart from Winners there's also Nice Boys, very progressive bar ) One walk down the aisle at Jomtien complex and you will know which bar or boy gets your attention, if undecided , take a drink in any bar and then make another attempt at survey of realm. After 3 days you will be an expert

I visited Soi 13 on Saturday 18:30, June 10. Someone wrote here that it's the best sauna in Asia. I'd say maybe it's the best sauna in the world (Brazilian garoto saunas excluded)! Two non sexual things striked me in the first few minutes. One, everything including the floor is so squeaky clean, everyone is barefooted (maybe footware is prohibited). Two, there are unlimited free light drinks. Lots of young eye candies; didn't notice any attitude. Although, as usual, many walking around stone-faced zombie-like, there's also talk to be seen and heard. I guess it's mostly because friends come together, but - for example - an old local striked up a not-hitting-on-u conversation with me in English at the hot water pool (it's not really a jaccuzi). Better atmosphere. The best feature was the dark room, darkest and most interactive I've ever been to. Can't see a thing, no matter how long I stayed there. At some point I was taken care of by 2 guys. Only after I tried to decipher with my hands who was doing what, I found out that I'm actually part of a fivesome... The dark 'room' is actually a corridor, with 5-6 very small wooden cubicles opening on it's right side. For some reason, two guys making out prefer to do it in the corridor, so most cubicles r empty. By 19:15 there was a jam, everyone stuck together with intense action. Only when I finally got to the end of the corridor for the third time (still erect), I found out that the last cubicle had no back side. It opened into a parallel corridor, which was just as dark and almost empty. I guess most patrons aren't aware of its existence. It's much more conducive to 'normal' dark action. I enjoyed myself immensly. Never had so many anonymous guys take care of me.