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since when is a s-expat a higher position in life than a sex-tourist? Neither is in a position to judge the other?

Day 6 My last day in bangkok =( Well had to checkout by 12pm. Flight was about 8pm, so squeezed in 2 massages. The first at Arena Spa. Wow, can't believe I walked there. Opened at 12pm, and I was there at 12:30pm. Only 6 guys working. Chose a muscular Zaddy. Gosh he was fit. Muscular chest, abs, biceps. He knew I liked his muscles and he was flexing and posing throughout and smiling at me, like he knew I liked what I saw. During the massage, he licked my nipples and kissed me deep. And asked If i wanted him to Come, for some extra tips haha.. Well I usually planned on giving a bit more than the minimum anyway so I said yes. After worshipping his body, licking his nipples and abs and chest and biceps, I came while he was laying beside me and kissing me and stroking me hehe.. The price for a 1hr massage for the room oil massage was just 590 baht. But stupidly ( the mamasan always seem to be able to convince me to pay extra - last time for aromatherapy for 890, and now for VIP room ) chose the VIP room - 890baht. Basically VIP room is a mega large room with a king sized bed in the middle. There were some tea/coffee machine, and a minifridge. So ok, got more cold water to drink. But i mean who will drink tea/coffee from there haha. But the king sized bed was good. Got to roll around and have some fun heh. Thereafter, cabbed to Jey spa for a 2pm 1.5h massage 😃 So this is my 4th and final Jey spa visit this time, and I was infatuated with the last masseur - Arm. Cuz he is just so freaking cute, tanned, handsome, charming, he had perfect chest, biceps, arms, face and I was sooo charmed with him. It was the hottest massage I had this visit, so I had to end with him, and with a 1.5h massage. It was perfect. He hugged me as soon as we got into the room, and we hugged and gently kissed for awhile more. Sighs. Massage was perfect, and the afters were super hott. We made out, deep kissed, I got to worship his whole body - his arms, chest, abs, nipples and c0ck. Eventually we came together, and showered together. He knew I was going to the airport after this and we had a longg huggg. I will miss him and I will be back for more soon - well at least the next time I get to come to Bkk.. So that concludes my 6 day trip to BKK! I had lots of fun there, and equally as much fun recounting my experience to u guys. Got hard writing certain parts hahaha.. Hope it helps some newbies / help to stir up some memories / anticipation for uall next trip haha.. Until next time peace out >.<

I would not agree that apps etc. have ruined sex. But they have taken some of the enjoyment from a hoped-for sexual encounter. Times inevitably change and the experience for guys nowadays is different from what it was for those of us of an older generation. In my youth, despite my concern about appearing to be gay, I loved the 'hunt' - seeing someone in a bar or at a party whom I found aggressively attractive in the hope that we mght get together. This was never immediate but could often take weeks if not in some cases months! And not always successful! Also I love to see and know a little about who I am about to have sex with. Like many readers here, I know nothing that beat the Bangkok go-go bar experience in much earlier years. And it was not just the boys parading around in short pants or naked. My Way was a haven of cute young guys doing incredible pole dancing.

I think JC had a short golden era with a large flow of customers ( mainly because the fading of Sunnee Plaza and Boyz Town becoming too expensive for expats) Which tempted many owners open too much bars , this golden era is finished there are not enough customers to justify so much bars nowadays.

I,d never retire in Thailand for simple reason - living there permanently deprives one chance of travelling there, one of biggest treats in life.

One the financial advantages expats have always cited was the overall "value" of moving to Thailand. Another was the relatively tame inflation rate. Now is seems that both are beginning to evaporate. The increases are way out of proportion to inflation and erode value. Hardest hit will be retirees relying on the Elite visa. And if the cops are intent on keeping Chinese and Russian mobsters out, higher prices for the Elite will have the opposite effect. Those are the very visa seekers to whom money poses no problem; they'll be first in the queue. When bar prices are discussed, punters are quick to cite the Thai approach to compensating for slow business cycles: raise prices. Looks like the Elite folks are taking a page from that strategy as they raise the bar going into low season.

You forgot to mention all the friendly fire incidents on the Russian side. The Wagner Group rebellion incident was the ultimate friendly fire event. 🙈

There's always stamp colletion to see and local election somewhere to discuss.

I don't agree with the tendency to see money boys as scammers, they try to survive buy working at bars, applications and by sending endless pleads for money, If you want to help someone it's your decision and if you don't you can just ignore. I don't see any scam here.

I would never ever understand certain people's propensity to be adversarial every single turn instead of being helpful and respectful of other's views, even if the agreement isn't there. There is always a way to disagree without being disagreeable, and the message will be received much better this way instead of having this unnecessary bullshit. Ultimately, this says more about the poster and his (online) character, than the poster's intent to prove his or her point. But what can I say, I am an eternal optimist, and will always think that all people are capable of kindness and consideration towards other people. At the end of the day, we are all human beings, with our own struggles and concerns, and showing a little kindness towards other people isn't that fucking hard.

The woke, progressive, evil, Marxist, Communist, Democrat Party government of criminals, by criminals, and for criminals has set the precedent to follow: organize and operate a subversive, seditious, insurrectionist, treasonous, Deep State coup against a duly elected U.S. President; perjure yours before the FISA Court; spy on presidential campaigns and WH administrations; prosecute everyone in the orbit of the opposition; hold Communist trials to criminalize opposition to the party in power; throw protesters into Communist gulags without due process; continue to persecute politicians after they leave office; use the Dept. of Injustice and the fake news media to shield your side from prosecution for nefarious crimes; lie every day in every way; and blame the dysfunction and dystopia on the other side! Enjoy getting what you dished out, woke, progressive, evil, Marxist, Communist, Democrat Party government of criminals, by criminals, and for criminals.

You'd be bored AF hanging out with us. All we do is sit around the apartment, fukc, watch Netflix and only leave the apartment when it's time to eat. Last time we were there it was too FUKCING HOT.

Would need to win lotto to get an elite visa now

Indeed. I remember, 40 years ago, in Rio, going to a gay bar, where there were many really sexy guys dancing, shirtless. I was really attracted to one very good looking twink, and to my surprise, though then I was only 30, he happily came back to the Copacabana Palace, to help me with my stamp collection. Sex was amazing, pre HIV, and we met several times, before I left. I rember the Sauna Leblon, full of cute guys, with a dormitory, so to speak of guys fucking! 'O tempora, o mores', as vinapu might say!

I don't think for a list like this it matters at all what the location is. It's a destination - not a place for a two-week holiday. I adored Esfahan but three or four days is plenty of time to see it. Petra, as @hojacat points out is not more than a 2-day destination. But there are tons of other things to see if you happen to be going to Jordan. Similarly the Torres del Paine National Park is purely nature at its most stunning. You won't find any of the comforts of sights of a big city anywhere near there. But that is no reason not to visit the more so as there are many other sights within a reasonanble distance - as for example the huge Perito Moreno Glacier, one of the few actually advancing in a time of global warming.

High season is November to March the rest of the months consider as low season. The type of guys you are looking for can be found at the bars in Boyz Town area.

From Thai PBS World Thaksin delays his return again Fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra announced today (Saturday) that he is delaying his return to Thailand again, this time citing medical reasons. Thaksin tweeted that he is postponing his return for no more than two weeks, adding “My doctors say I should have physical examination first.” Thaksin now postponed his return 20 times throughout his 17 years of self-imposed exile. Thaksin was ousted in a coup in 2006. During his absence, the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Office sentenced him to a total of 12 years imprisonment in four cases. The postponement of Thaksin’s return coincides with a further delay in selecting the country’s next prime minister, which was due to have taken place yesterday, but which has been delayed until at least August 18.

Which makes that list even more difficult to comprehend, as a lot of those destinations can't really be associated or considered destinations attracting high net-worth individuals. I mean you would imagine to see St. Bart's or the Cayman Islands instead of Oaxaca and Guadalajara, with all due respect for those two places. Personally if I have to come up with this kind of lists, I would definitely have them divided by category: big cities, small towns, big natural park/attraction, big historical/cultural site as you can't really compare Petra where you would spend at the most 1-2 days with a place like Paris and Tokyo. They are just two different things. A bit like comparing a poem with a historical saga like War and Peace.

Not a lot, but there were definitely guys over 50. If you mean not very welcomed in that will be difficult finding a hookup, then probably.. I guess most guys are looking for people around their age, but well IDK, it's still an experience that chilling and looking around, and maybe there will be guys into daddies. 😃

Well then, I’m neither of them. Even though I spend half the year between USA and Thailand, I will always try to come back, and I don’t want to leave once I’m in Thailand. I do want to leave the USA However, and miss Thailand, so maybe instead of being a U.S. citizen, I’m a tourist.

Reminded me of this:

I can help you. They are going to double the price and it is for massage only.

BoyzBoyzBoyz, Xboys and Abomb will be particularly good hunting ground.

That, s because love of our forum knows no bounds

Yes I agree, In the past I considered Thailand as potential country for retirement but not anymore you can't plane your future in such unstable rules and capricious government decisions.

ranging from that to 1000.....I'll never understand someone paying for another person to sleep. If I'm getting along with someone and like them, I offer to let them stay the night. In most cases they will sleep in a much more comfortable bed, a/c or heat, have a hot shower in the morning, not wake up to noise/roosters. I've had a few that mention that they charge more for that and I tell them, I won't charge them for the nights rent and we'll be even.....I prefer to sleep alone, I only offer if I know they live far and I feel good with them. People throwing money expecting the GP's to like them more is stupid, if you want to help the guy out, help him open a business and show you really care.. They perceive that as an easy mark, next thing you know all the guys in the sauna know what you pay. Again, I wouldn't want to go car shopping with someone like that.

That's the last thing they want to do since Trump incriminates himself further every time he opens his mouth.

If you are currently in Medellín then any time is good to visit as the city is in full party mode for Feria de las flores. As noted in other discussions, the tradition in Colombia is to visit the saunas after work (6-8pm) or on the weekend afternoons. There will usually be a good crowd from 4pm onward. I plan to add to the Business listings and may visit this location on this trip.

There is a website for Thailand Elite Visa Members. Today it states that Siam Legal (presumably one of the law firms permitted to offer the visas) has confirmed that the lowest package from October 1 will be 900,000 baht for 5 years - a 50% increase. But then it says the highest one will be 5 million baht for 20 years (up 150%). I cannot work out why anyone would go for 20 years if they could purchase 4 x 5 years at 3.6 million. Presumably there will be some reason - like not possible toget back to back visas. The site also states these prices were confirmed today by two Thailand Elite staff. So I was lied to yesterday when the membership services manager said nothing had been agreed re the new pricing! Should I have expected anything else! But as @TMax pointed out, it has become a lot more expensive.

That's quite an admission.

From Thai PBS World Next vote on new Thai PM could be on August 18th or 19th A joint sitting of parliament is expected to convene on either August 18th or 19th, after the Constitutional Court rules on whether it will consider a petition regarding the renomination of Move Forward leader for prime minister and whether to order the suspension of the process to select a prime minister. House speaker Wan Muhamad Noor Matha said today (Saturday) that, as the Court has delayed its consideration to August 16th, parliament plans, subject to that ruling, to reconvene within the following three days, with the intention to select a prime minister. The Ombudsman has submitted a petition to the Court regarding the constitutionality of parliament’s decision on July 19th to vote down the renomination of Pita Limjaroenrat for the premiership. Wan Muhamad, speaking as he departed for the ASEAN Inter-Parliament Assembly in Indonesia, reiterated that parliament should wait for the Court’s ruling before making any moves concerning the premiership. On Friday, Wan Muhamad ordered an abrupt end to the joint parliamentary sitting after Move Forward MPs demanded that the chamber reconsider the July 19th decision (now with the Charter Court). The speaker and some senators tried in vain to talk down the demand before closing the meeting. As a result, a discussion on a motion, proposed by Move Forward, to revoke Article 272 of the Constitution, which allows senators to vote for a prime minister, has been delayed until the next parliamentary meeting.

Thx So its basically like the ignoring option u offered. I m all for it. Its high time we organize to ignore or ostracize the few members here, who again and again prefer posting judgemental personal attacks.

Ban is removal of the individual, ostracim is total avoidance. if Tawan put sign " entry for vinapu prohibited" I will be banned. If I enter for absence of sign, but nobody would approach, seat beside or talk to me I will be ostracized.

Brilliant !

I realise few here are members of Thailand Elite. These few might be interested to know I visited the Service Centre yesterday afternoon and insisted on meeting a senior manager. Eventually I met with the Member Service Manager. I made it plain - politely - that withdrawing a key benefit from a membership which was one of the inducements to joining as a member was morally disgraceful if not technically illegal. The way it should have been done is that existing members should have had their benefits kept intact until the end of their individual membership period - not unilaterally withdrawn midway. That is what any reasonable and responsible membership organisation would do. I know of at least one lawyer who is talking about a class action suit against Thailand Elite. Such action is unlikely to have any success, but I pointed out that any legal action will inevitably find its way into major travel and international news outlets. That will put Thailand Elite very much on the PR back foot. I know from bitter experience that this can take many weeks if not months to overturn. It may also make at least some of those considering the new Thailand Elite programmes think twice before joining. All this was met with a weak smile and no response! What I did find out is that the revamping of the organisation is, as most believed, a way to raise more cash. From 8 programmes presently on offer, these will be reduced to 4. I believe these will be for 5, 10, 15 and 20 years respectively. Each will be allocated a certain number of points which can then be redeemed for a variety of lifestyle choices, like limos to/from BKK and cinema tickets. Cinema tickets? Who spends millions to get free cinema tickets? It all seems a classic case of a Board of management that just gave in to the preferences of each individual member without the Chairman saying "Stop"! And where is the Chairman at this time of major change? On holiday in Switzerland! At least I know the 5 year membership will certainly be more expensive than the present 600,000 baht. All she would say was that it would be less than 1 million. So anyone considering membership not only for 5 years but to take advantage of the longer periods still on offer should perhaps bring forward their plans.

Judging by the high number of Mexican destinations, I would conclude most the voters were Americans and/or Canadians. Personally in Mexico, I only enjoy CDMX. Other places and I've been both on the Pacific and the Atlantic coast, don't appeal much to me. Maybe because I'm not really into neither Mexican food or guys. Plus safety is always a concern. I have been to 20 of the places mentioned in the article, but only I would consider only 2-3 of them in my personal Top 25 and I think there is a universal agreement among the people of this forum that BKK is in the list of each of us.

Disagreeing with what other members may post does not constitute a personal attack. If it did we'd all be guilty at one time or another. Some may perceive any disagreement as an attack and that would border on the paranoid (I m NOT imputing u r one of them).

Never ceases to amaze me: members travel from all corners of the world to spend time with these money boys yet seems to hold them in low regard. Why not go someplace else where they can find money boys more to their liking?

If I've learned nothing else during my years living in Thailand, I've learned, especially with money boys, no matter how much you give them and no matter how much you help them - it's never enough . . .

OP said overnight, still Brazilian GP overnight rate shouldn't be this high, but it will be higher than R400, I wonder why OP wanted to book overnight with online GP when he is still not in Brazil and has never met this GP. A good long time/overnight companion requires compatible chemistry, not just the sexual performance, you will be sleeping and eating, entertaining with this GP. (so there will be additional cost and it's all on the customer). And I believe the GP who speaks passable English charges higher fees.

Sure it wasn't 400? Never heard of 4000..... not in my circle at least.

He's gorgeous! Thank you for posting the pics.

That’s exciting to hear a new go go forming across from Winners Bar. Hooray for Charlie! Maybe Sunee is making a comeback.

Zoomer was closed today and may stay that way as the owner Charlie has taken over the management of Dodo Bar in Jomtien Complex, as well as already operating the nearby Sunee Bar adjacent to the Venue Show Bar. Charlie is also going to open a go go bar in Sunee Plaza in October across from Winner Bar. Two interesting poles on podiums went up at the front of B.N Bar in the Jomtien Complex over the last few days so I will looking to see if they are being used when i visit there tonight. I have suggested this idea in the past to other bar owners. We cannot have go go bars in the Complex because of the local bylaws but i see no reason why we cannot have boys danciing on a podium to attract customers. Dragon music has been sold with the new Thai owner taking over this week. There are plenty of other bars for sale but that is not unusual in the Complex.

So guys been here in a Pattaya a few days so as I'm staying over a month this time haven't exactly rushed to do things . Well the first day I didn't do anything but get a few massages and sleep. Last night I took my first boy off Grindr, yes I actually waited my second night to get a boy ! 😅this guy was tattooed "man" looking slim build from Cambodia just his English wasnt crash hot unfortunately,21yo construction worker earning money on the side using his translation app to communicate. Anyway once I established he was a pure top he ended upcoming to my hotel room. I wanted him to call me a "fucking whore " as he was fucking me , in reality it sounds ok but when it came to him actually saying it ,it was far different. I was on my knees ,ass up in the air🍑 as he was sliding his cock in,🥒 I already instructed him what to say , call me a.... . "Whore ".... fucking whore ! You understand? "Yes yes Sir I understand Then he started to fuck me hard here I am waiting for his words ," you are hole " hole !! "No no no .... I said ,losing my horniness , "it's whore ! Not hole ! Whore ! Yes yes he says starting to fuck me then getting into the rythm slamming his balls against my fat ass cheeks "You fucking hair ! Hair ! Ah sorry sorry sir ,I forget word ! "It's fucking whore not hair ! I shouted losing my libido Whore !!! I shouted ...the word is fucking whore !!! 1500 B , Grindr, about 30 minutes, good big cock ,tattooed , english not good though

I went to the area early last night to have time to visit every bar and see how things were. I started out at Screwboys and I enjoyed it. They had some twinks and I had some fun. They had one guy I liked and had for a drink and he was straight and said I could watch him JO. I passed but tipped him well. The place had an NBA theme which I enjoyed and a lot of boys. Not many fem boys that I saw but everything else. Next was the bar upstairs Fresh Boys and they had even more boys and lots of twinks, gays, and fems. I found a guy I liked who spoke good English and we chatted for a bit but I knew he was not for me for the night. Another on stage caught my eye and I had him over for a drink as well. They were both Vietnamese. The 2nd one I wanted to stay with me for the night and I took him home with me and my plans to visit the rest of the bars were put on hold. Oh, well, at least the places I visited were packed with boys and lots of variety.

This evening it was time to get back on the table M89 (Lad Phrao 15/1) I saw this place on Twitter (https://twitter.com/M89Massage) It's a bit off the usual beaten track, but just a quick 10 minute walk from the Lad Phrao MRT. Shop is quite nice and modern. Not too much English spoken here, but we all managed with good humor. I used Line to make a booking several hours ahead of time. I arrived shortly before 7 PM and my masseur, Mr. Ten, was already there. (Photos below). I was smitten with his photos on Twitter. He was a bit taller and better built than I was expecting. The room up several flights was very nice. En suite shower, music playing on a decent speaker. Small bottle of cold water provided. I selected my usual 90 min massage which was 650 baht (there was a 100 baht off promo going on). Minimum tip 500. I was invited to shower and Ten came back to the room just as I was finishing the shower. Nice massage table with a good amount of cushion on the top. After a few dud massages this one was much more of what I like. He started with my back and some full weight Thai massage but relatively quickly transitioned to a very relaxing oil massage with a good variety of strokes. He draped the part he wasn't working on and used Google translate to let me know to tell him if the AC was too cold. Overall I found Ten to be a very pleasant masseur who was interested in giving me a good service. He then moved on to my legs and eventually flipped me over. He had been clothed up until this point but eventually the clothes came off. I was happy with the finish. Then we showered separately. He again used Google translate to ask me some questions about where I am staying and how long I have been here which I thought was nice. I think the session lasted about 75 minutes. On the whole it was a very nice experience.

Five different times with these two lads in the last 2 weeks. It is quite delightful. Took a long time to find a couple that is so versatile, manly, and fully into everything. I think my long term BF is a bit jealous as he has never seen me have someone over so much. He said, "do I need to worry?" I said, "not in the least. Just be prepared to share the apartment one day." He said, "again?" LOL