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My rating of money boys in Thailand is the following: I value Myanmar higher than Thai and Vietnamese lower, based on plenty of experience with Myanmar and little experience with Vietnamese. My experience is the contrary, I value Myanmar people, be it in Myanmar or in Thailand, the highest of everywhere I have travelled in SEAsia. In particular I found that the poorer / more oppressed the people are, the nicer / more generous they are towards me. I don't think so. They (and other migrant workers) do work that no Thai would want to do. If they were causing troubles, the Thai would quickly send them back.

Day 4 So woke up with this guy in bed, had some morning cuddles and hugs. But slightly hungover to do anything. We went to get brunch in silom plaza, short walk from our hotel. Jey Spa I know.. It's my 3rd time here this week. What can I say, I love their selection of guys and convenience of booking. Although during peak hours, the 20-30 min drive there can be a pain. Booked a guy called Arm and he is so hunky gorgeous. Tanned skin, handsome face, pretty eyes, hot arms chest abs. He was gay too so we managed to have a lot of fun towards the end of the massage heh. He was sooo sweet. He offered to ferry me on his motorbike to like the main road. I stupidly said " no its ok, i'll walk". WTF WTF. Don't know why I refused, regretted it once the words came out of my mouth. Would have gladly sat behind him with my hand on his waist and taken that few minutes of motorbike ride sighs... OF So I've been liaising with this contact on line account - cum men spa bkk, and was interested in this model/ onlyfans creator. I've been watching his videos before and briefly signed up for his OF for a few months previously. He is soooo hottt. For a fee, quite hefty - probably similar to overseas USD rates, I managed to meet him in my hotel. Only downside was that I had to pay a deposit after making the appointment. At least it was quite easy to do - can deposit $ through 7-11 with cash, although I had some hesitancy initially, but it all worked out okay. He did everything I wanted and more. It was so fking hot, imagining meeting your favourite p0rn star in your room. Geez. I rate it one of the top 3 encounters I've had in my life. DM me if keen to know more. Dreamboy Earlier in the day I messaged "Boy 2" - one of the guys I met from the club the night before. I asked him if he was working in DB tonight and he said yes, then I said "you sit with me tonight ok" and he said "ok". Yay. He's also the guy that made me decide to extent my stay by 1 day hehe. So went to DB and sat with him. He is tall so the short shorts were really short on him heh. Gosh he is soo handsome and cute. We decided to go clubbing again at DJ so I offed him, as well as "Boy 1" who was his friend too. Woops. My first time offing 2 boys. But I made it clear I will only bring Boy 2 back to hotel haha. So me and Boy 1 & 2 went DJ but it was blackout zzz. No electricity so the whole club was down. Apparently some of the other clubs - Jupiter were down too from the blackout. So we decided to take a 30 min cab ride to another gay bar/club - Fake Club. My 2nd time here. The first time was probably wayyy back in 2016 with another guy I met from DB. Was really fun - get a bottle for a table, waiters were cute, there were models there too who will come and accompany you at the table and drink with you. Good music and shows, kind of EDM music, models dancing on stage, and playing drinking games at our table. Ended up being real hammerred from all the drinks that I did not remember how I got back to my hotel. I remember leaving the club with Boy 2, and vaguely showering back in the hotel. Yikes. Have to bear this in mind in future cannot be too drunk when im "alone". Apparently Boy 2 took care of me after leaving the club - he showed me a video completely knocked out in the taxi oops.. Slept together and woke up having some morning cuddles and fun before sending him on his way. One of the most fun nights in BKK i've had in a while heh..

Some good ideas here. However, you've not been to Pattaya recently if you find it "tacky". Try staying in one of the North Pattaya hotels: Dusit is the the traditional choice but there are some brand new, very contemporary ones available. Go to the top of Terminus 21, the newest mall, and look out. You won't see anything "tacky" but a replica of Singapore or Shanghai. Some of us may miss "tacky" Pattaya, though its remnants are still there in South Pattaya, itself under redevelopment near Pattaya Tai. Daddy415 is right about Koh Samui but I wasn't impressed by Charweng a few months ago, nor its beach. Try Lamai. Krabi's island beaches are immeasurably superior. Number one for me remains- as I've often said- Chiang Rai. The best night market I've seen in Thailand and wonderful touring.... the Lanna temple in Chang Saen close to the Golden Triangle and, best of all, the Chinese village at Mae Salong....if you can cope with the drive up the mountain roads. If, like me you are attracted to border towns, try Mai Sai. Fascinating.

Apologies in advance, but I am about to hijack this topic 🤪 There's the term "gym rats" which is used to mean folks who spend perhaps half their lives in gyms, obsessively building muscle. Then there's the danger of using such terms in the company of Thais for whom English is not the first language. So... There was once when a newly minted Thai friend and I went to a gym. Neither of us had bodies one would associate with gyms but we thought it would be good to at least do something for fitness sake. So we went. Bad choice. It was a gym for very serious body builders. The men there (I don't recall seeing any women) were almost obsessive compulsive in their workouts, and we looked like pathetic wimps in their company. We got looks (or more likely, self-conscious me imagined we got looks) that kind-of queried us, what are you two doing here? I remarked to my Thai friend that maybe we should look for another gym, at least the next time. "Why? What's wrong?" he asked. "This place is full of gym rats," I whispered, which I thought was more than obvious why. "Eeeeeeeek" ran off my friend. I had to run after him as (this time) real looks focussed on us. I'm pretty sure he never actually saw a physical rat.

From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon Thailand regularly appears in the top ten destinations chosen by foreigners wanting to retire abroad. Unlike other south east Asian countries, Thailand does not offer a retiree visa as such but a number of choices aimed specifically or partially at this market. Non-immigrant “O” visa conversion This is the most popular route at present. A foreigner aged at least 50 enters the country with a visa exempt or tourist visa (30 or 60 days) and applies at local immigration to convert it to a three months non-immigrant “O” and thence to an annual extension of stay based on retirement. Typically, the financial requirement is 800,000 baht in a Thai bank or proof of monthly transfers to Thailand of at least 65,000 baht. The detailed bureaucracy varies in immigration offices nationwide and several embassies now refuse to get involved in certifying the creditworthiness of their own nationals. One big attraction for many of the non-immigrant “O” route is that, to date, medical insurance is not required and the paperwork is fairly straightforward. A foreigner with a foreign spouse will be treated as separate individuals and both must provide the financial guarantee. When leaving the country, re-entry permits must be obtained and the 90 days address reporting is in play. Applicants who are short of cash at the time of application or annual renewal are not forbidden from “borrowing” cash from third parties as the check is only on the amounts in the applicant’s bank book. The cost of the visa is 1,900 baht (US$60) assuming no extras have been accumulated along the way. Non-immigrant “O/A” long stay visa This is a 12 months visa offered by Thai embassies abroad to retiree applicants, with or without a multiple entry built in. The financial requirements are similar to the “O” extension of stay, but there are additional documents such as a medical certificate illustrating freedom from certain diseases. The visa can be renewed annually at Thai immigration offices. The big problem with the O/A option is that comprehensive medical insurance is required from day one and continues with every annual extension. The Thai Cabinet authorized an annual sum of US$100,000 or 3 million baht. Many retirees have tried to get rid of their O/A and change to “O” extension of stay, but this cannot be done without leaving the country and altering visa status overseas. The cost of OA annually is 1,900 baht (US$60) assuming all the documentation is in order. “O/X” ten year retiree visa This little-known option was introduced in late 2016 and offered a ten year multiple entry stay (actually 5×2 years) to retirees aged at least 50 in 14 countries including UK, US, Australia and some EU states. It was available at Thai embassies abroad and at immigration offices in Thailand. The visa never became airborne as the bureaucracy was complex, requiring a crime-free certificate from the home country and an investment of 3 million baht in a Thai bank. Options were available to include spouses and dependent children in the visa allocation. However, the visa did specify that working as a volunteer was OK although no detail was set out. Neither the immigration bureau nor the Thai Cabinet ever issued updates on the visa which is usually assumed to have been stillborn. The fee was 10,000 baht. The Elite visa Current enrolments are said to be around 30,000 all told. The Elite visa is not specifically aimed at retirees and there are no age bars. Although there are several variants, the most popular option is the five years, multi-entry choice currently available for a one-off payment of 600,000 baht and renewable. 10 and 20 year options with family guarantees are also available. Attractions for the retiree market include no need for medical insurance and no requirement to show updated bank account details every year. The visa also includes some special privileges such as fast-track at Thai airports which has been favorably reported by customers, particularly in the past year or so. Long Term Residence Introduced in 2022 by the Board of Investment, the LTR is a 10 year open visa designed to attract high spenders and investors from overseas. The four categories do include one specifically aimed at retirees over 50 which has so far attracted over 1,000 initial applications (32 percent of the total). The wealthy pensioner is expected to show a substantial regular income as well as evidence of investment such as Thai property or Thai bonds. All LTR applicants must show medical insurance. The overall idea is to encourage settlement by foreign millionaires. The LTR has not attracted the international interest originally anticipated and is perhaps best suited to economic experts and investors keen to take advantage of generous tax breaks. The enrolment fee is 50,000 baht and reporting to immigration is once a year rather than three-monthly. Conclusions For retirees, the cheapest and most flexible option is the annual extension of stay, although the Elite visa with its initial down payment and no further financial checks is increasingly being seen in a favorable light. The LTR and the stillborn “O/X” both suffer from complex enrolment bureaucracy and neither offers significant advantages to foreign retirees. None of the visas avoid the need for a work permit for regular employment, although side issues such as being a member of a condominium committee or helping to organize occasional sports or entertainment activities are no longer seen as breaches of the alien labour act. The biggest unknown is the future of medical insurance as a compulsory element in applications. At present, the most popular routes for retirees aged over 50 – the non immigrant “O” and Elite choices – have no such requirement. If that policy was changed and enforced, the proverbial cat would certainly appear amongst the pigeons. Older retirees are the expats whom insurance companies most want to avoid.

If you look like Quasimodo, no wonder. who wants to lose an appetite hour or two before the dinner ?

I have messaged some boys who do onlyfans or Line group (with entry fees) on other channels. They sent me links to their paid content. But I don't work that way, I don't believe in advance payment in any form. As tempting as some of them are, rather skip and look elsewhere. If they were willing to meet at all, I doubt it would be for 1000 which is my going rate (i.e. what I pay). The gap (10 USD = 330 THB to look at previously recorded material vs. 1000 THB to meet me) is just too small for them to make it worth for them to meet me, and for me to pay to look.

Same reason Trump polls highly, the incredible amount of very stupid people around.

Would need a lot more input from OP. Are you interested in beaches, mountains, museums, temples? Traveling by public transport, walking, rented motorbike or car?

If any of these Lanna destinations appeals, you mght want to look at the Mae Hong Son loop. Lots of picturesque mountain scenery and intersting small towns/villages.

So what does a whore do when she's slit out a whole country for 5 days? What could a SHAMELESS INSATIABLE WHORE do to bring an AMAZING TRIP to an end! The SHAMELESS WHORE throws a SEX PARTY and hire the MOST SEXY POLICE OFFICER as private security. So the trip is winding down and I told my husband Friday that I think I wanted to have a sex party and invite 8-10 guys including a tranny I know. My husband was all sex-ed out but I kept pressing the issue. He's more laid back. I'm the more outgoing nasty tramp who's enamored with the male anatomy, sex and the thought and act of CUM-ING. His concern stemmed from us not being adequately protected because a lot of the guys know each other and he didn't want anything to happen to us during the party. So yesterday I texted the cop I met a few months ago. He's the cop with the HUGE HANDS that we played around with a few months ago. I wrote about this guy earlier this year. He's the cop who I thought was about to arrest my husband and I when he arrived to the apartment. Very handsome guy. He also had huge hands. So huge in fact, I had him to choke me while he had me in the missionary position. I told my husband I'd hire him to be our security during the party. This guy is a SEXUAL FREAK! I knew once I told him the type of party it would be, he'd take the bait show up and as I told my husband, HES NOT GOING TO JUST SIT AROUND AND WATCH 10 GUYS FUKCING and not join in. He will definitely whip that Dominican dick out and join in the sex-tivities. Attached are our conversations from yesterday and this morning. Stay tuned guys. This is going to be one for the HISTORY BOOKS.. I've always wanted to host sex parties in sdq. We will see how this one goes and if it's a BANGER I'll more than likely start having them on my 6 weeks visits to sdq and invite you nasty fukcers!

But since you raised the subject!... I'll share a July '23 update on Boate Casa Grande in Bangu: ● Uber took me "straight" there. Dropoff stop was maybe ten feet past the entrance. No problem at all. Previously posters found the location challenging, but maybe map directions have improved. ● It is a big, airy space but below New Meo Mundo in elegance. ● Manager (owner?) Márcio is a nice guy. ● On my Sunday afternoon around 4pm: 5 clients and 8 GPs. No gym rats. Average to trim built. All handsome shades (none white or black). Only one was really toned. Slightly shy and not at all aggressive. ● Happy to get 100. Probably could have bargained for less but why just to save two dollars? 😱 #1: My first time with a known parolee wearing an electric ankle monitor! (A personal first.) He was the most muscular and best looking GP there. 😐 #2: At least 6'4", kinda cute, eager kisser, but super soft. 🙂 #3: Danil was 6' tall with big brown eyes; really got into it; excellent kisser; shot. No plans to return, but I'm definitely glad I checked it out and played. It was worth the ride out to Bangu if only for the electric ankle monitor.

I stand corrected. BBVA now charges ATM fee (for using VISA card). 18 mil COP to withdraw 300 mil. Insane/no thanks... Luckily, Davivienda doesn't charge ATM fee (again, I used my European based VISA card) and you get much as 2 million COP (maybe even more; I didn't try). Just decline the suggested conversion to your currency on the ATM screen and let VISA/your bank do the conversion from COP to your currency.

Indeed I do, but when it comes to myself, I am at a loss for words. Perhaps "non-descript" will have to do for now.🤣

Mea culpa; an entire phrase was omitted from my post. It should have read; "As for character being based on the conduct of the government of the country...." In truth , I'm a sort of a patriot in a left-wing sort of way, at least when it comes to our cultural legacy. It's just those d**n politicians I can't stand. Which must also be true for Cambodians at the moment.

And we can,t wait for your report

25 yrs in Thailand and been with 2 Burmese & 2 Vietnamese, can't wait until you try and African. Imagine if we all bases our opinions of an entire population on 2 experiences, everyone would hate Americans more than they already do..... you make gayinpattaya seem like a reasonable saint 😱

I agree that 2 or 3 days is good for a Khao Yai break. I have the impression that it's a popular weekend trip for Bangkokians. I did it with a tour guide friend of mine who organized a private car and driver, etc. For 2 or 3 days I think Hua Hin is fine. But I can see where a week would get pretty boring unless you're there with some friends. I liked the night market which has many good food stalls and the one next door has lots of art and crafts for sale. I stayed at the D2 which was not ideal for visiting the beach. I think picking one of the places nearer the beach would be a better choice for sure. There are a few beach resorts that looked very cushy when we walked past on an evening beach stroll. I'd have to look at a map to remember names. If you haven't been out to Isaan there are some pretty interesting places out in that direction. I'm always fascinated by old temples, etc so I like Phimai quite a bit as well as Phnom Rung. I did that part of the country as a little 3 day trip where we based on Khorat and did day trips out from there. Lots if big national parks in the north if you're interested in that. Or even Chiang Rai. You might want to have a look at Paddy Doyle's YT channel for ideas of places to visit. He went to every province. https://www.youtube.com/@PaddyDoyle./playlists

Khao Yai is just right for a 2-night stay. You can get there from Bangkok in 2-4 hours by bus, minibus or train and the guest houses run a free transfer from the bus/train stations. Arrive mid-afternoon in time for the evening "jungle tour" on the day you arrive, then a full-day tour for the following day, stay overnight then return to Bkk. Or you can extend your stay with a night camping in the national park. For a longer national park visit with more things to do, (maybe 4 nights) look at Khao Sok. Fly or take the train to Surat Thani, Krabi or Phuket, then a minibus to Khao Sok. Rome2Rio.com will show the possible routes. A mild warning - the minibus between Surat Thani and Khao Sok needs to be booked in advance. For the return journey, check that you have a ticket showing bus time and seat number. If all you have is a voucher for one unspecified journey, you need to exchange it and book a seat at the minibus office at the road junction just outside Khao Sok. (I learned this the hard way ☹️ - having booked a Nok Air "fly'n'ride" package with flight and connecting minibus reservation on the outward journey I assumed I had a bus reservation for the return trip. Not so. They did all they could to get me on a different bus (good), but it didn't go to the airport (not so good). However, the driver kindly found me a mocy taxi for a white knuckle ride to the airport. If I'd missed the flight I'd have been stuck in Surat for a very long new-year weekend.)

Sorry to add that I find Hua Hin incredibly boring!! I stayed for a week at the Hilton hotel which I really disliked - and I like most hotels I visit. Sadly the Hilton had been recommended by a good friend and I had prepaid for the week but I'll never return. Even the beach by the hotel is tiny! Is there anything really to see in Hua Hin apart from the railway station and the Centara Grand Hotel which used to be the old railway hotel? When are you in Thailand? If in late December, Hua Hin can be quite chilly if the winter monsoon is blowing. If you are here in early August, I would definitely get to Ubon Ratchathanee for the Candle Festival Parade on August 3. It's a stunning unique event with all the temples having artisans spend a month carving wax scenes on top of lorries and trucks. Unfortunately you have missed the amazing Dansai Ghost Festival which was in June this year. I had a fabulous time there a few years ago. Sorry again I have little positive to add.

If you want a quick getaway from Bangkok but think Pattaya to tacky for you, Ko Samet might be an option. It is a tiny beach island, on the eastern seaboard, up to 3-4 hours ride from Bangkok. There is no gay nightlife from what I am aware, but if, as you say, guys are not the huge attraction, it might suit you well.

What you and I don't know is what message Putin got from Biden/NATO about what happens if he actually uses nukes. My hunch is that Putin was told that nukes = NATO in some way. Like maybe that's when NATO jets start bombing Russian positions inside Ukraine, but not in Russia. China has probably sent a similar message: that nukes is not good for a bosom buddy relationship. In the shorter term, we agree that Trump is the worst thing that could happen to Ukraine. In the longer term, listening to Mearsheimer I just had this sinking feeling of yet another forever war. He's the first to admit he doesn't know. And he wants Ukraine to win. He is a patriot that graduated from West Point. But he is also a realist who tends to make well educated guesses.

If Russia use tactical nukes in Ukraine, NATO should destroy the Kerch bridges and isolate Kaliningrad. Allowing Putin to use tactical nukes unpunished is a very dangerous step. The main risk for Ukraine at this point, other than nukes, is Trump/GOP winning in 2024 as support for Ukraine from the US will be gutted as will NATO.

The issue is about using NATO ships to transport grain, and whether Russia would attack them. Do I think that alone would trigger World War III? Extremely unlikely. But that is partly because both Putin and NATO are making it clear that they don't want to directly engage each other. The provocation that would really test how far Putin would go is if NATO said, "Sure, Ukraine. Join NATO immediately." They just had a great chance to show they had balls, and do that. Zelenskyy has balls, and wanted just that. But NATO didn't do it. I don't think NATO wants to go to war with Russia. And I don't think Putin wants to go to war with NATO. The somewhat more likely scenario is that many geopolitical analysts think there's a reasonable chance Putin would use nukes to prevent a loss in Ukraine. The most frequent suggestion is that to prevent Ukraine from taking back Crimea and humiliating Putin, he might well launch nukes on Ukrainians. But not against NATO. Who knows? But I would not rule that out. Right now, it doesn't look like Putin is humiliated so much. He's saying the counter-offensive is a bust. Some version of all your arguments were used for years to predict that of course Putin would never actually start a war in Ukraine. Because he isn't stupid enough to provoke NATO that way and become a global pariah. And possibly start World War III. And yet, he did. First in Crimea. And then the whole nation. So the idea that we can predict just how far Putin will actually go hasn't worked so well. I despise Murderous Vlad. And I'd rather have Biden than Trump because Biden will do "whatever it takes" to support Ukraine militarily. That said, at the same time I agree with Mearsheimer's argument I posted above that NATO was stupid to keep ignoring what Putin said about Ukraine and NATO starting in 2008. Even moreso, they were stupid to say to Ukraine, "We've got your back. But not really." So, again, the idea that we can just poke the bear as we wish knowing that of course bears are not stupid enough to go to war hasn't really worked so well. NATO ships would be a different form of the same goading. The thing I most want NATO and the US to do, for now, is keep sending Ukraine whatever it needs to win. But Mearsheimer makes the best argument I've heard to date that Putin simply has more soldiers and more artillery. Which is what wins wars. So Ukraine simply won't be able to "win" as we would hope. He argues that as the war of attrition grinds on, possibly for years, Putin may be able to seize all the Russian-speaking Southern oblasts along the Black Sea. If that happens, it solves the NATO ship problem. Because Ukraine will be landlocked. All of this seems very plausible. The strategy that's been debated since the war started is whether Putin can gradually prevail in a long war of attrition against Ukraine, but not NATO. Right now it's not looking so bad for Putin. I'll up the ante on your question and ask you this. Do we really have the balls to engage Russia directly and militarily? Because that would stop the slaughter. Why fuck around with NATO ships with grain on them? Let's skip that and give Ukraine what they really want: NATO jets with bombs on them. Why not? We could have a real fun competition to see whether US or UK or French or Canadian bombers could take out more Russian soldiers. Fuck all those land mines. That's so World War I. Let's just bomb the fuck out of them. And let's invite Vlad to send his entire military across the border. So we can fry the fuck out of them, too. Without starting World War III. Because, after all, we're only defending Ukraine's territorial integrity. That's what I'd argue the US and NATO would do if we want to prove that we really have balls. That's what Zelenskyy and probably most Ukrainians want. They want us to actually have their backs, with our blood. And if we actually did it, there's probably no more than a 50/50 chance that Vlad would escalate to nukes or attacks on NATO. Because he knows that would escalate to direct NATO hits on Russia. Why not roll the dice? The sobering thing Mearsheimer is saying is if we don't do something like that, which he would probably argue is folly, then we are stuck with a horrific, bloody, and long war of attrition that Ukraine is more likely to lose. Meaning they will never regain the territory they have already lost. And they are at risk to gradually lose more. So then, militarily, our best hope is a stalemate that wrecks Ukraine. And punishes Russia greatly for wrecking Ukraine. I think that's a pretty sobering assessment of the choices we may eventually face, if we learn that the vaunted counteroffensive barely moves entrenched Russian positions. It's entirely predictable that Gen. Petraeus will pop up, yet again, and make the same "surge" arguments that didn't really work in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's a proven recipe for quagmire. So I'll argue we either Go Big and Go NATO and bomb the fuck out of them. Or we start to accept the fact that Ukraine got wrecked. As Mearsheimer predicted for several decades it would if we poked the bear too much. But the good news is at least a smaller version of a Western-oriented Ukraine survived. And Russia's big victory is they get a brand new Afghanistan inside their proclaimed border. Or worse. Because it will be so much easier for pissed off Ukrainians to endlessly kill Russians. As Mearsheimer asked in that video above, "Where does it end?" Excellent question. By the way, since I've cited him a lot, I should mention Mearsheimer is no dove. His core argument is that the real strategic threat is China. He would argue you are right about the military power of nations like Germany, or France, or the UK. @unicorn. He's been saying since the end of the Cold War that NATO could de-escalate and leave a weakened Russia to fight Ukraine, with the direct support of Germany and maybe other European nations. He also argued decades ago, after the collapse of the USSR, that Ukraine should keep its nukes to prevent the bear from ever starting this kind of war. So his strategic ideas have aged well. Mostly he thinks the US and our allies should really be focusing on China. And another forever war in Ukraine is a distraction from that, which was avoidable. I agree with him. That said, we are where we are. And I want Ukraine to win, if they can.

Surely they're accustomed to this kind of thing by now? Not just TiT but TiP

In my experience, and it might not be as extensive as others on here, but nationality isn't really the thing that divides people. They're just lines on a map, defined either by how wars ended, or how some white european decided to slice up land during colonalism. Nationalists like to project the idea of a national culture... but in reality it is always a mixing pot of different, sometimes similar, cultures. When it comes to people, who they are and how they treat with you depends on so many different factors. Pretending it can be easily be explained by nationality alone is just fooling oneself.

On a related issue, I have a friend in Bangkok, American, retired, who told me last week, while enjoying Soi 4, that he cannot believe how racist some farang retirees are. He cited, for example, a member of this forum, who has lived in BKK for many years.

Depends just how far you would like to go, Khao Kho can be a nice area to relax for a few days, being up in the mountains it does get a bit cold so it may pay to take warm clothes or someone to cuddle up to. Nature wise there is some incredible views from up there as well as other things to see.

Didn’t you go upstairs to the dark maze floor and see the cubicles in which most of the fucking takes place ? Or at least it did when I made my last visit just before Covid. The steam room then was a no-sex zone - more for socialising. Asian guys over 60 ? Really ?

The other thing that's genius is the sort of good cop/bad cop strategy that is emerging. Biden will let the prosecutors, and even the Never Trump Republicans, be the heavies on indictments. And on Trump's general criminality, pathological lies, and contempt for democracy. Or, you could actually call it a good news/bad news strategy. Trump embodies the bad news. While Biden simply states what the good news is. Here's a sneak peek of election 2024.

Yours or theirs.....? I think in someone wants to do tattoos to their bodies, their choice. I love tattoos and have most of my body tattooed. I don't care for face tattoos, but if they want to do it, their choice......I feel the same way about drugs or drinking, their body, their choice....I don't do drugs, smoke cigarettes or drink coffee and hate them all, but some people like them, go figure 😲 Now let's not get started on cock....😉

Well you have to claim gayinpattaya as he's one of yours 🙊

I had 2 Vietnamese guys one of them for long term it was not perfect experience but it wasn't so bad either the second one from Screw Boys bar was amazingly beutiful and very good in bed so saying all Vietnamese are terrible is shallow generalization.

D**n right.... the shift is to Evangelicism and helped the appalling Bolosnaro win power in Brazil. Look at what these people have achieved (sic) in the US and be afraid.

I wonder where Cambodians come in this "league"? Or what about Isaan guys as opposed to Songkla or Chiang Rai ones? As for character being based on the conduct of heaven's sake, I'm British! how would you like to be judged on that basis?

Some people don,t have sense if humor or simply don,t like animals.

2 bad experience with 2 nation and you start bashing the whole country? Racist much?

“Alien comes up to me. Big tears in his eyes. ‘Sir. We’ve been watching your planet for millions of years. And we’ve never seen anyone treated so unfairly…. Perhaps….the most unfair treatment of anyone in the entire universe throughout all of history…Ever. Just nasty nasty people.’“

So you've made this judgement based on a few alleged interactions. And you expect us to believe that mamasans talk trash about their own boys. Unbelievable. You way want to consider that it's you and not them who's the most unsociable. This speaks for itself. Have you considered the possibility that you're not suitable to patronize massage shops. Even Freud would would be at wit's end, trying to unravel that trash. On top of that, you're asking us to believe that--after 25 years in Thailand--you suddenly found this forum, selected the handle "truncheon" (short stick carried by police; a billy club) and penned this absurdity. Why didn't you simply post under the screen name you normally use here?

Iv been with Lao, Thai, Cambodia, Burmese and Vietnamese boys. I keep my expectations at a reasonable level and never find myself disappointed. I try to keep in mind that I am getting to spend intimate time with these beautiful younger guys. That in itself is the reward.

Be fair. It's taken him 25 years of living in Thailand to reach that level of misinformation and bigotry. He's been working really hard to achieve this standard!

A new member's first post and he's bad mouthing Burmese, Lao and Vietnamese guys across the board. Absolutely ridiculous.This is another hoax. There are few posters here with more recent experience in Saphan Kwai and Silom area shops than me and my experiences have been the total opposite. I can recommend K-Man, KK Massage and One Spa in Saphan Kwai without hesitation, and any shop in the Silom-Surawong rectangle.

Day 3 Prince The last time I went to prince was probably before covid. What I like about it, it's abig place, with a fish tank. Guys were chilling behind a glass wall, gymming, lying down, working out, playing with their phone. You could sit in a chair in front of the glass wall and sip your glass of iced tea. Interesting concept that I don't see anywhere else anymore. Last other massage place I remember that had it was Hero - like 10 years ago or sth. Guys were more of more bigger build, less twinks, abit more refined than Arena. Feels like the guys from Senso in the past. ( I actually didn't visit Senso this visit. Sadly, when I messaged the Senso line account, was a bit surprised that most of the guys seem to have changed, and there wasn't anyone that I particularly fancied. Quite different from the lineup of guys I saw in the past. Not much muscle/jocks anymore, now seems more twinks) Room was 1.1k for 1h, minimum tip was 1500. I didn't had to choose a guy because I have been messaging this masseur I met from my previous trip before. So I set up an appointment with him beforehand. Met him from Senso previously, and he's since moved to Prince now. Apparently few guys moved over from Senso to Prince once it reopened. Fairly new, there was still some mild construction work ongoing. But overall felt similar to the old Prince. Recommend if you like the thrill of seeing the guys up live. But yet at an acceptable distance for those who are slightly more socially anxious. Rooms are nicer than Arena, decent and clean, but not as fancy as Jey/Senso. Basic but acceptable. Jey Spa Went back to Jey again. They just have too many hot masseurs to choose from. Chose a straight guy called Mai. He had really hot tattoos, had a strong build and hot bod. Able to hug and grope that strong bod and suck him. Sauna Mania As seen on their line, there was a foam party event. Went to their Onsen/hot pool and just soaked inside, and met a guy from China. Fairly cute. He sat beside me in the onsen and very gradually moved on from sitting nearer and nearer and then touching, groping, making out and then sucking hehe. While this was happening there were probably 2-3 other guys in the hot pool. So it was kinda hot getting it on in front of others haha. The pool was maybe 1m by 5m wide. Went down to the dark maze to find a room to lie down and made out/suck more. Then heard the announcement for the party so went up. There were many hot models as usual. This time I was really a ferocious hoe. Went to grope, suck, lick the abs and nipples of several models - think at least 4 or 5 of them. Cant' help it. They were so hot. One was a very popular only fans creator and appeared in several thai videos. Then started the foam which was slightly awkward, because it mainly just filled the room from one end. So one end of the room had foam all the way to the ceiling, and the other side was empty. But it kind of added a different flavour to the usual orgy parties. So a sea of naked guys, with foam, about 10 hot models, some who were fucking each other, some fucking guests, some getting fucked by guests, and some just being groped/sucked all over by guests. Event lasted about an hour. It was hott. Saw this model that I played with in the sauna party from at least few years back - I called him Teddy bear cuz he looked like one and was so good to hug and I was sooo happy, went to suck him and lick his abs, chest, nipples and hugged him hehe.. As the event was ending, the host encouraged us to wank, and the models were kneeling in a circle with guests around them. The models helped to wank off the guests, some were sucking the guests off. And the guests could wank onto the models chest, 1-2 allowed on the face. Hott. (LMAO writing this whole paragraph and im getting hard already) After the party went to the onsen to relax again. Ended up bumping into that same Chinese guy in the hot pool. Went to find another room to have more fun. As we both hadn't jerked off yet we decided to mutually cum. As I was jerking off I told him to cum first but he whispered into my ears " I want you to cum first inside my mouth" so as I jerked off we deep kissed and he licked my nipples and sucked me and I eventually came. Which he lapped up - hott. Then as I wanted to help him wank off he said " Oh it's okay i don't need to cum." lol. I bet he just wanted to find more guys to have fun with ( cuz I told him I don't Fk). True enough as I went up to shower I saw him disappear back into the dark maze. Okay. Dreamboys Went to dreamboys again. Unfortunately didn't see anyone that I really really wanted to off, even though I wanted to. There were some boys I thought were not bad but they quickly got offed - I need to be faster next time >.< In front of me were these 2 chinese women, fairly attractive, perhaps in their 20-30s. They were drinking a lot with 3 bar boys that they sat with and eventually offed. Hmm I wonder what they were going to do. I actually wonder if women actually have the kind of fun with these boys that we men do, or is it just drinking/clubbing/dancing etc. GOD Last stop of the day was to GOD /G Bangkok - impromptu because I originally planned to off a guy from dreamboy. When I came here on Day 2, I only went after DJ station closed at 2am. And GOD closed like 3am, so was only there for < 1h. So this time wanted to stay there longer, and partake in more craziness.. went there about midnight. So I bumped into 2 bar boys from dreamboy here. One of them ( Boy 1) recognised me ( I recognised him too) from the Bar earlier and brought me to his friends. So there were 2 bar boys (Boy 1 & 2), and 2 of their friends (Friend 1 & 2). I tried to size up if his friends were bar boys too - didn't manage to 100% get the answer but seemed like they weren't - definitely not from dreamboys because i probably would recognise them, and Friend 2 didn't look like a working boy. Because I was trying to assess the dynamics of what was going on, cause Friend 1 was dancing/drinking with me throughout the night. Even though honestly I much fancied Boy 2 haha, which I danced with for awhile. Pretty soon with all of the drinks and music it's largely a blur now. But I ended up with Friend 1 back in my hotel. He is fairly cute and can pass for a bar boy, but yet our interaction seemed to be like just meeting a guy in the club. So wasn't sure what was going to happen in the hotel/transaction wise. But anyway we were both so drunk we just knocked out anyway immediately in bed. But I did pay for supper and then brunch the next day lol. Though I understand it's not uncommon for the foreign guy to treat meals of thai guys instead of going dutch even if it's like a date or something. Eventually I figured he wasn't a MB/bar boy so luckily i didn't mention anything about $. Now it was this point that I extended my trip by a day LOL. My original trip was supposed to be 5 days. And I realllly fancied Boy 2. If I was going to do anything with him, it'll be Day 4 night overlapping into waking up early on Day 5 to leave the hotel which dosen't sound fun. So postponed my flight and then hotel for another day LMAO. Troublesome but sooo worth it, as you'll find out more on Day 4 😃

Information may be freely available on the internet, but @YoungWesternTop you should discuss with a medical professional before making a decision around medication and your health.

Rats are commonplace in cities worldwide whenever major construction projects are under way--a condition that certainly describes what's going on around Silom. As the critters are displaced by the demolition, they scurry about in search of food and new quarters. Returned recently from a two-month trip to Bangkok and and it was not uncommon to see rats moving about. Fortunately, there's also many natural predators (stray cats, dogs and yes--even snakes) around these sites that help police the population.

I'm new here also, so I'm not sure if all the more established members are right... or if you're genuinely curious and anxious. If your curious and anxious, I'd suggest that you talk to your local sexual health providers about your concerns. They'd have a better idea about your personal medical situation, and can advise you better about risks; and hopefully be experts on it I would say that you do seem a bit too anxious about it. Condoms for oral sex is a bit over the top, IMO. I'd refuse if a guy wanted to wear one to get blown. I don't want a mouthful of latex. But I understand the risks, and make my choices appropriately.

Day 2 Jey spa So i added jey spa on my line account few months ago, and have been receiving regular pictures of their masseurs, which is a nice daily eye candy message. Decided to give it a try as ive not been before. Seems like all free lance. When i tried to set up appointment, the manager of the line account will check with their boy first and revert. But very efficient. Able to get more details and shirtless pictures of the masseurs u r interested in on the line account. Seems like future of massage places moving towards online based. Pick masseur online and make appointments. While efficient, sometimes i do like the thrill of not know what to expect, and sit upclose to the line up of guys to choose - just like arena prince senso About 20min car ride from silom but well worth it. Vip Room is 950 for 1h, 1250 for 1.5h. But Vip room is more of a normal room at most places with a shower ensuite which is what i would expect. Apparently there are “normal rooms” without ensuite shower.. um awkward. I chose this cute handsome jock JJ. Massage was good, had good oral and nipple play >.< Tip requested 1500, i gave 2000. Overall definitely will be one of my go to places, mainly because of their selection of guys. Alot are my type - the jockish sporty guys yumm. Also because its freelance, they have alottt of guys to choose from. The lobby area abit near the rooms, sometimes while waiting, can see the masseurs going into the rooms ha. Rentmen Spent the afternoon having sex with another handsome muscular abs hottie from rentmen back in my hotel room haha.. Quoted 3500 baht. Although he was a little shorter than expected from the pics, but he had perfect 6 packs that i was too busy groping and licking to bother about his height 😅 Jupiter Went jupiter, show started at 10:45pm, entrance + drink at 500. The guys here are totally my type too. Think straight sports captain, jock, muscular, handsome, abs, chest, clean cut and fresh. He wont look or smile at you in school because hes straight. But for the right price by doing his homework for the month, he will let you suck him and even pound you. (But all that ive offed before were really nice haha. But on stage they maintain a “cool” vibe) Shows were good - mainly because most of it were the hot guys dancing and stripping. Was quite a full house on a saturday. Was eyeing one model but was too hesitant and he got offed by someone else 😭 Wasnt very aggressive in finding a guy anyway because wanted to check out the clubs. But wouldnt have been too hard cuz like i would have easily offed >50% of them. DJ/GOD Went to dj station and subsequently GOD when dj closed at 2. 400 entry each with 2 drinks each. DJ station was an absolute blast. Love all the songs, and was a very good crowd, eye candies everywhere. There was a club beside dj playing kpop and can see all the young twinky boys dancing in chereograph to the kpop songs. Went on to GOD and ooh.. Different vibe. Really hardcore. Shirtless guys everywhere. Making out and groping everywhere. Music was hardcore bam bam bam. Joined in shirtless after awhile eventually (shy, but the place was hot any being shirtless felt much more comfortable) and went into the sea of guys. Ended up making out, groping and being groped by dunno how many guys lmao. Had a hardon because kept getting grinded on, which attracted even more groped and grinding 🤦‍♂️ Ended my day with supper at foodlands patpong - one of my favourite place to eat. Its 24/7, near the hotels and clubs, food is cheap and good! Sometimes can see people with their offs. Highly highly recommend.

Finding information certainly seems more difficult than it was a few years ago. There used to be the section of a website titled AVERT which did publish statistics, although I believe it covered a more general msm percentage. I can no longer find it. A Paper issued by Australia's CSIRO in the Sexual Health section headed The Continued HIV Epidemic among men who have sex with men and transgender women in the ASEAN region: Implications for HIV policy and service programming, states re Thailand - "HIV incidence among MSM under IBBS (integrated behavioural and biological surveillance) decreased only in Bangkok from 28.6% in 2014 to 10.3% in 2018." https://www.publish.csiro.au/sh/Fulltext/sh20134 This is clearly illustrated in a graph showing the rate of increase/decrease in 7 major Asian cities. If the chart is accurate, the rate of HIV among msm has decreased substantially. A major concern arising from the chart, though, is clearly the significantly rising rate in Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh. There have been several other reports including data from 2014, but they require a great deal of time to analyse exactly what they mean since all seem based on different modelling methods and results which are extremely difficult to compare. Worrying, though, there is one paper dated July 16 2021 in Britain's highly respected medical journal The Lancet regarding an 18-month Study which suggests that "MSM will represent over half of all new HIV infections by 2025." This figure refers only to Bangkok. All reports I have looked at indicate a rise in the number of syphilis cases in Bangkok. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00313-8/fulltext

Thanks for the above suggestions! Day 1 so landed in Suvarnabhumi airport in the afternoon. Immigration was quite fast, probably about 10 minutes or so. Then took a cab to my time and trusted Le Meridien hotel. I love the hotel because its nice and no issues bringing your guest back to the room. Arena Massage I always go here first because its one of the nearest to my hotel. This time I took a grab there instead of walking, although its only less than a km. In the past i always walk there under the sun and the walk always gets me horned up and sweaty thinking of whats to come. This time I arrived freshly showered. Menu for 1h 1.5h and 2h. Masseur tip for 1.5h was 1200 requested - i think by far one of the lowest ive seen. Oil massage for 1.5h was 790, aromatherapy was 990. Silly me chose aromatherapy, not much difference to oil. Furthermore I chose peppermint oil flavour (idk why man) which awkwardly caused a bit of burn to my c0ck when applied. Will go for oil in future. Upon entering, over 10 shirtless zaddies staring at me. Gosh this always makes me gulp like im taking a viva exam. I saw a masseur i had before - Nuk. He is handsome, muscular, has a hot tattoo, hot abs and he is very nice, and does a good hard massage. i love how arena has a unique vibe. I would describe it as oily, sweaty, mechanic, gym vibe. This aint a romantic boyfriend restaurant. Your shirtless oiled up car mechanic is here to pound you and you say yes sir and pay him anyway. Pic of my room. Basic but serves its purpose. I had a lovely massage, was hard and sensual, really felt relaxed after, and I was feeling his hard oiled up body and groping all over yums. Just so hottt to see a hot guy being all oiled up and over you. 2000 in tips to boy. R3 Sauna Grabbed over to R3 sauna. I checked with their line account before hand whether there was any parties happening. O parties at R3 fri sat, sauna mania foam party on sunday. I love attending these parties because its a chaotic hot mess. About 10 hot models, some were fucking each other. And then the public joins in. There was this super hot model that i suscribed to onlyfans for awhile back, and he “acted” in several thai scenes. Went to grope and lick him heh. But he was so popular there was a whole queue of people lining up to fuck him. It was so hot to just see this super hot model taking it from anyone who wants to fuck him, including obviously less hot guys. Kind of a kink ha. There were people fucking and getting fucked by models, sucking, groping all over. Hot Chaotic mess. I was probably exhausted from the recent massage so mainly eye powered and groped around instead. Dreamboys Bar Grabbed back to silom and went to dreamboys. 500 for entrance + drink. I came abit late like 11pm. Shows ongoing till 1am. Was quite full house and lots of boys. Now there was a little bit of drama. I saw a guy that I offed before, and although we had lots of fun previously, he kept asking for money months after we met over the apps. So I didnt really respond back because I didnt really know what to respond. Then now in the bar with him around and waving to me i got nervous and didnt really want to off anyone else, although there wasn’t any that I was like super super interested in, there were few guys my type. LOL. Anyways, stayed to have a look around at people offing boys, 1 or 2 decent routines with hot shirtless guys. I left empty handed at 1am sadly. Jackd After showering and lying on my bed I thought to myself, did I really just left a bar empty handed on a friday night. So I opened the apps and not long after, found a hot muscular abs zaddy on Jackd. 2500 he quoted. Only took him about 20 minutes to comeover. Finally had my hot full on sex meal for the day. I told him I liked kissing and we ended up making out like forever, licking his hot body and abs and sucking each other. And I ended day 1 at 3am with a goodnights sleep.

My father used to say " now only thing starting with "f" I can do now is to fart "