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My Colombian boyfriend has mo problem to be seen holding hands with me , first I hesitated not to embarrass him but he insisted doing it publicly. Regarding the serial killer the chances to encounter him are less than winning the lottery. LOL.4 points
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I have seen in Colombia older Americans and their 20 something dates - at the hotel breakfast. I have travelled with 26 and 28 years old around Colombia, no issues. One was very affectionate actually. I think Latam has strong „live and let live“ mentality, so nobody cares and if they have an opinion, you will not hear it.4 points
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You do not need to be "found innocent". The basis of UK law is a presumption of innocence or "Innocent until proven guilty". It's only in the media and social media where guilt is assumed based on what sells papers or clicks.4 points
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In UK law, the "victims" can't be named for legal reasons yet the accused, now proved innocent, has been hounded for years and he will never get back those years during which his career and reputation were trashed.4 points
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Maybe those particular rats had/have a foot fetish.3 points
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I’m back! Bangkok trip report July 2023
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Day 2 Jey spa So i added jey spa on my line account few months ago, and have been receiving regular pictures of their masseurs, which is a nice daily eye candy message. Decided to give it a try as ive not been before. Seems like all free lance. When i tried to set up appointment, the manager of the line account will check with their boy first and revert. But very efficient. Able to get more details and shirtless pictures of the masseurs u r interested in on the line account. Seems like future of massage places moving towards online based. Pick masseur online and make appointments. While efficient, sometimes i do like the thrill of not know what to expect, and sit upclose to the line up of guys to choose - just like arena prince senso About 20min car ride from silom but well worth it. Vip Room is 950 for 1h, 1250 for 1.5h. But Vip room is more of a normal room at most places with a shower ensuite which is what i would expect. Apparently there are “normal rooms” without ensuite shower.. um awkward. I chose this cute handsome jock JJ. Massage was good, had good oral and nipple play >.< Tip requested 1500, i gave 2000. Overall definitely will be one of my go to places, mainly because of their selection of guys. Alot are my type - the jockish sporty guys yumm. Also because its freelance, they have alottt of guys to choose from. The lobby area abit near the rooms, sometimes while waiting, can see the masseurs going into the rooms ha. Rentmen Spent the afternoon having sex with another handsome muscular abs hottie from rentmen back in my hotel room haha.. Quoted 3500 baht. Although he was a little shorter than expected from the pics, but he had perfect 6 packs that i was too busy groping and licking to bother about his height 😅 Jupiter Went jupiter, show started at 10:45pm, entrance + drink at 500. The guys here are totally my type too. Think straight sports captain, jock, muscular, handsome, abs, chest, clean cut and fresh. He wont look or smile at you in school because hes straight. But for the right price by doing his homework for the month, he will let you suck him and even pound you. (But all that ive offed before were really nice haha. But on stage they maintain a “cool” vibe) Shows were good - mainly because most of it were the hot guys dancing and stripping. Was quite a full house on a saturday. Was eyeing one model but was too hesitant and he got offed by someone else 😭 Wasnt very aggressive in finding a guy anyway because wanted to check out the clubs. But wouldnt have been too hard cuz like i would have easily offed >50% of them. DJ/GOD Went to dj station and subsequently GOD when dj closed at 2. 400 entry each with 2 drinks each. DJ station was an absolute blast. Love all the songs, and was a very good crowd, eye candies everywhere. There was a club beside dj playing kpop and can see all the young twinky boys dancing in chereograph to the kpop songs. Went on to GOD and ooh.. Different vibe. Really hardcore. Shirtless guys everywhere. Making out and groping everywhere. Music was hardcore bam bam bam. Joined in shirtless after awhile eventually (shy, but the place was hot any being shirtless felt much more comfortable) and went into the sea of guys. Ended up making out, groping and being groped by dunno how many guys lmao. Had a hardon because kept getting grinded on, which attracted even more groped and grinding 🤦♂️ Ended my day with supper at foodlands patpong - one of my favourite place to eat. Its 24/7, near the hotels and clubs, food is cheap and good! Sometimes can see people with their offs. Highly highly recommend.3 points -
I'm on my way home after a few amazing days in Bangkok. Before my trip I read this forum from top to bottom and took copious notes on the Bangkok massage scene, places to go, etc. I took a lot of notes to help me remember for my next visit. I wish I could share therapist names here because they are not all created equal and I ran into some total duds as well as some amazing ones. Here's my take on the massage places: 1. S'sense massage - by far my worst experience and the only massage I walked out on in the middle. When I arrived, they did the "bait and switch" and said my therapist was not available but tried to offer me another one who was not my type. I asked for someone else and they gave me one who was cute but a total dud. I laid there bored while the therapist gave me a massage that seemed to focus on the calves and feet FOREVER. Zero fun stuff. I remembered reading on this forum that if you're in that situation, just get up and walk out, and I did just that. I hopped into a Grab (that app is awesome! The way Uber was when it first launched... clean cars great drivers cheap cheap cheap) and went to PARADISE... 2. Paradise is on the street with all the gay massage places in Silom 6. Basically by my third day therapists recognized me and told me they saw me walking the street HAHAHAHAHA. Small town. It's clean, friendly, and I had one of my best therapists there... good lord he was huge and ready for action. Not the cutest but again this forum indicated that the cuter they are the less they do and that's usually right based on my experience this week. Did I mention huge? Anyway excellent masssage and double x 2 happiness. 3. Relax Massage - my husband went here, right across from Paradise (he also checked out Mr. Big at Paradise) and had a good massage with a cute guy. They are running a "rainy season special" and are half the price of Paradise. Great value. 4. JeySPA.... you knew this one was coming! This consistently ranks high on this forum so my final day there I splurged (it's definitely spendy with a tip of 1500 baht) ... I was very clear what I was looking for (big everything with six pack abs) and OH MY GOD did they deliver. They sent photos that let me know exactly what I was in for. That was one of my best massages in Bangkok (best massage of the trip was in Samui, but that's a different post...) Very clean and yes as others have said, horrible traffic in that area so I took a Grab but wished I had taken the train. Easy to find with Google maps. You can negotiate on the room price. 5. Prime - 90 min head/feet and then 90 min Thai by the same guy who was touchy but Prime doesn't seem to go beyond massage and that's fine... it was just amazing. Great massage with great technique, clean, and they give you pajamas (I didn't wear the top) and you just feel like you're being pampered. 6. Green Massage - I wish I had time to go here... looked good and would love to read someone else's feedback 7. 9-Teen - on same road with 2 & 3 above, they did the bait and switch again when I arrived... I rejected their substitution and they found someone suitable, but he started negotiating tip in middle of massage before he would even remove his shirt. That was a HUGE turnoff and I felt like I was in a used car lot all of a sudden. All the other therapists at other places were much more subtle or trusted you to tip the min 1000 baht. My husband ran into the same thing. We did not return here and cancelled subsequent appointments we had made. 8. Natural Spa - super friendly guys and one of my cuter therapists (straight, small assets) worked there then kept in touch on Line but I didn't return due to aforementioned small assets. Room smelled musty and towels weren't fresh smelling. But they do seem to have cuter guys than the others.... I wouldn't rule them out next time but wish their rooms were cleaner. This also seems to be the feedback on Google reviews. 9. Magic Touch Massage with Mr. Tree... this was our first massage in Bangkok and was very mediocre. Shower didn't work and therapist wasn't very skilled in anything. Would not recommend. Things I learned: 1. This is all really close to the Skytrain. When we first arrived we had some trouble with Google maps and it seemed like we walked all over. Silom 6 is maybe 8 mins from the station and there's lots to see on the way. 2. Great lunch spot in the heart of it all is Mango Tree Surawong. If you're a massage whore like we are, book 11 am massages, then lunch at Mango, then walk 2 mins to Prime for a real massage, happy finish at Paradise or Relax/Natural Spa. 3. This I haven't figured out but I developed some theories on this. Most guys who weren't that into it I asked if they were straight and yes they were. As a top that provides limited options for me which is why I was going for SIZE and appearance. One guy showed me photos of his girlfriend. They are all really sweet but I wish there were a way to color code the t-shirts... red is top, blue is bottom, purple is both.... I assume the blue shirts would be the gay guys but I may be making an incorrect assumption there. I think next time I'll try to ask for some bottoms even though I don't want to do anything more than play... see #4 below... 4. These guys have got to be riddled with all sorts of diseases. NO way would I consider anything unsafe, but I was able to have a lot of fun nonetheless. It does seem like most of the clients go there to just get PLOWED because everytime I got on a massage table they went straight for my butt and I had to make the universal sign for no intercourse but just playing. I do not hold any judgment against anyone who wants to take more risks, I am just saying that once I got there and saw the guys and the environment and the steady stream of customers I knew that my shields were going to be up and I would still have fun. AND I DID. (See JeySpa again). 5. I did not go to 15M based on feedback on this forum. 6. The drag (?) cabaret at Asiatique was AMAZING!! Calypso!! We were grinning ear to ear the entire show... if you buy tickets, buy them from their site (not Klook or resellers) and put in comments you are gay and excited to see show. We did that and they gave us the best seats in the house. (Seats are assigned by them earlier in the day, then they print tickets when you arrive)... huge highlight of our visit. It would be fun to see with a group - the audience was all reserved asians for the most parts and there were points where we were the only ones clapping and cheering them on. Those boys were working hard and dancing their asses off. 7. I walked through Silom 4 and loved the drag show there, but felt sort of self conscious as I was dressed for dinner at Vertigo and it was really strange walking the catwalk (street) with all the chairs and tables facing you... I needed someone to show me the ropes. My masseur from Natural Massage offered to come with me but he didn't speak English and I wanted some alone time. 8. Really regret not having time to try The Green Massage. I hope this helps someone else who may fit our profile (newbie, more conservative, clueless and naive at times, see newbie part). Thanks to all who have posted here offering advice and help… I found it immensely useful as I planned our trip!!2 points
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I went to dream boys last night and drinks price is horrendous
reader and one other reacted to floridarob for a topic
So much to discover, Brasil is the top because of the available sex venues and legal prostitution. But, I've been to all Central America and most a lot of S. America, don't forget Puerto RIco, Dominican Republic, Cuba .....Latins are hot blooded. I LOVE Thailand, but more for food and massage these days, occasionally I'll have good sex, but mostly is transactional and mediocre and not cheap. I add in Indonesia now whenever I'm on that side of the world, either Jakarta or Bali.... except for alcohol, is very affordable and guys are super horny, although more limited selection. Many are bf material though.....2 points -
Oslo recommendations
JourneysEnd and one other reacted to omega for a topic
I was there for a very brief visit a few years back. I went to Elskar club, and had a really good time and found a hot guy to take back to my hotel. More generally, the fort and its WW2 museum are really interesting... and its worth a trip up to the Ski Jump to get great views.2 points -
The point I was trying to make is that the majority members of this forum are here because of their interest in Thailand as a place to visit or live. That's why "Gay Thailand" forum draws so many hits. The most popular posts within the forum invariably relate to trip reports and venue reports. Readers have also displayed a taste for controversy, Take this thread, for example. Although it was started only a few months ago, it's attracted 5.3k views and received 132 replies. (And those numbers only count views by logged on members; not the many many non-members who view the site). But returning to the discussion of the top locations that attract gay visitors (and their pink dollars), Out Traveler came up with this list for 2023: https://www.outtraveler.com/print-issue/best-places-for-lgbt-travelers#rebelltitem3 ================ InterNation, a site dedicated to expat living and working, came up with this list of the The Top 10 Destinations for Expats in 2023 (this is not an exclusively gay list): 1 | Mexico 2 | Spain 3 | Panama 4 | Malaysia 5 | Taiwan 6 | Thailand 7 | Costa Rica 8 | Philippines 9 | Bahrain 10 | Portugal2 points
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A finding of 'not guilty," desirable as it may be, is not a finding of innocence.2 points
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I played safe or safer as it's called these days, and had a great time. I figure these guys are with dozens of men from all over the world each week.... a great way to get a STD. But others are willing to take the risk or have fun and get the STD treated. Your decision. For me it was not worth the risk and now I'm back home from vacation and not sitting here worrying about my health.2 points
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I go along with that. And we need younger posters, just as gay Thailand needs younger gay visitors. Look at it this way; any new poster may be trolling. Maybe. However, some may just be not well-versed in the conventions and appear naïve. So what? If there is one chance in twenty that the newbie is genuine, give the poor b***** a break and see what happens. Who gets hurt by being generous?2 points
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Villa Gianni in London, UK
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I visited Villa Giani last week. I was in London for a few days and decided to call in the evening before I was to fly home. I had planned my schedule to visit that evening, but in the event I was actually feeling quite unwell that afternoon (as it turned out within 24 hours I was hit by a very bad dose of cold and sore throat which lasted three or four days). Even though I was feeling out of sorts, as I was close-by, I thought I would call in and look at the lineup anyway. That way at least I could report back a bit more info for this thread. I rang the doorbell and a very pleasant, Hispanic looking guy, answered. I forgot to ask his name. It was a warm afternoon outside, and it was really warm, almost oppressively so, in the basement apartment. The receptionist confirmed that the fee was £160 for one hour. Then I was brought to the mirror window. When the guys realised there was a customer at the other side of the window, they came up to it and pulled up their T-shirts to show off their chests. Four guys were available. Three Hispanic looking guys, and a pale, European-looking guy. The pale guy and two of the other guys were twinks, the other guy was more muscular. I had a gut feeling that the European looking guy might be Irish (I’m Irish myself, and we can tell our own, lol). When I asked receptionist where he was from, he confirmed that my gut feeling was correct. They were all reasonably good-looking in appearance, although perhaps not as quite as glamorous looking as one might expect for £160. I note from reading this thread that the price they charge has gone from £100 just before Covid, to £130 a bit later, and now £160. Well, good luck to them if they can get the money. I was there at 6:20, and receptionist told me that if I wanted to take a guy, there would not be a free room available on the premises until 7 pm. I ask him to explain a bit more about their opening times, as the website says they are open from 1 pm until 7 pm. He explained that they are open later, but that there were only guys available to view until 7 pm. I decided not to take a guy that day, mainly because I wasn’t feeling all that well. I felt a little bit guilty about just being a "looky-loo" but the receptionist was very pleasant about it, and said it was no problem. Generally the whole atmosphere was very calm and relaxing. I don’t think anybody should feel nervous are going for a look, if they’re interested. It is literally a five minute walk from Earls Court tube station.2 points -
New in Bangkok. I
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Don't squander your money. Hold out and you might get them for $28. 😄2 points -
New in Bangkok. I
vinapu and one other reacted to floridarob for a topic
I feel the same way about your dislike for western countries, you really like them but your cult won't let you admit it 🙄 Now let's talk about vaccines.....2 points -
FRom BBC Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey wept in court as he was cleared of all charges in his sexual assault trial in London. Jurors at Southwark Crown Court returned not guilty verdicts for nine sexual offence charges relating to four men between 2001 and 2013. Speaking afterwards, Mr Spacey said he was "grateful" to the jury as he thanked them for their deliberations - which took more than 12 hours. Outside the court the Oscar winner added he was "humbled". The US actor was acquitted of seven counts of sexual assault, one count of causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent and one count of causing a person to engage in penetrative sexual activity without consent. After the verdict was read, he put his hand on his chest, looked at the jurors and mouthed "thank you" twice before they left the room. Addressing journalists on the court's steps Mr Spacey said there was "a lot for me to process". "I would like to say that I am enormously grateful to the jury for having taken the time to examine all of the evidence and all of the facts carefully before they reached their decision," he said. "I am humbled by the outcome today. I also want to thank the staff inside this courthouse, the security, and all of those who took care of us every single day." Jurors rejected the prosecution's claims Mr Spacey had "aggressively" grabbed three men by the crotch and had performed a sex act on another man while he was asleep in his flat. Prosecutors told the jury the star had left the four complainants feeling "small, diminished and worthless". Mr Spacey, who turned 64 on Wednesday, denied all charges - saying the allegations against him were "weak", "madness" and a "stab in the back".1 point
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In case you like to explore off-the-beaten path destinations, here is a summary of my five nights in Goiânia (120 miles southwest of Brasilia): ● Goiânia has 1.5 million residents, 2.6 in the metro area (roughly the same size as Porto Alegre). As about the 12th largest metro, it should have a sufficient base to support a GP sauna and it does: Thermas Botafogo. ● Thermas Botafogo: Address, photos here. Website here but more info on Facebook. Instagram here. PROS: ● Fairly large facility. In the photo, you can see the spacious, airy bar area. Big lockers. Downstairs level has steam, sauna, and rooms (most with showers). It also has an amusing "dark room" that always had the lights on (and no people). ● Low prices. Rooms 25. GPs can be 100 (local price). One guy seemed very happy with the 20 extra tip. ● Owner Márcio is a good, friendly guy. ● Saturday night was packed with over three dozen clients and maybe 12 or more GPs. That ratio is not bad because many men come to have a beer with friends and not bed anybody. Also, my estimate of GPs is inexact because some guys I thought were clients were GPs. I later learned that GPs are supposed to have locker keys with a thin red rubber band on their wrist, but not all do. Clients have thin black bands. ● Saturday night had a fairly good variety of GPs. Two or three were especially handsome. Saturday nights are billed as party with a (happily) short lipsync show. DISAPPOINTMENTS: ● Wednesday and Thursday nights only one star GP (Fabio) was there to save the night amid the half-dozen Italian-looking GPs in their 30s with bellies and no pecs (who might have been hot 10 years ago). ● Friday and Sunday were better than Wed/Thurs but did not match Saturday. ● Goiânia itself was disappointing. The art deco "district" is in sad, crumbling decline. The art galleries were closed for renovation. And the Oscar Niemeyer Cultural Center is a mess. It has to be the least interesting architecture the man ever designed, acres of concrete with a few third-rate Brasilia reruns (although it looks OK from one distant vantage point). ● As RioBard noted previously, "Pirenópolis and Cidade de Goiás are two colonial/gold towns worth visiting." Alas, each is a couple of hours away, and I was not eager to spend four hours RT in a car for a day trip. SUGGESTIONS: Just so! If you like that gamble, you may like a long weekend in Goiânia. Perhaps combine it with a short flight up to Brasilia if you've never been. For me the Goiânia gamble paid off, with two GP gems that I plan to keep in touch with. But otherwise I would have struck out.1 point
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Haha.. Think I didnt make it too clear but we were both so drunk we fell asleep almost immediately when we reached back the hotel. did have some cuddling the morning after but both of us with a semi hangover decided to just eat brunch instead lol1 point
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If you read what I posted and do a little research, Doxycycline (a common antibiotic) can also be used as bacterial PEP or PrEP to greatly reduce chances of getting a bacterial STD (like syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea) if you are exposed. other antibiotics you may already have will probably also have some protective affect from both STDs and travelers Diarrhea. this info is commonly available on the internet.1 point
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Some reaction to your comments: In Colombia, though, gay tourism is different ... isn't it? Yes, in Bangkok and Pattaya you'll see gay foreigners hanging out with Thai's. But isn't what you see mostly at venues where moneyboys are available to off? Are you seeing an appreciable number of gay foreigners socializing with Thai's throughout? Not yet having been to Colombia, and reading the discussions here for that destination ... there doesn't seem to be a gay culture including the degree / network of venues with dancers and moneyboy-types as is found in Thailand. Pay for play relationships are arrainged for differently in a not so defined way as we see in Thailand. My impression is that USA gays visiting Thailand, frequenting the sex venues, are older than gays traveling to Colombia and South America. In Thailand, it's almost certainly easier to spot a North American (i.e., Canada and USA) visitor than it is in most or much of South America. Example: a now deceased friend of mine would travel with me at times and in Mexico and Brazil locals would mistake him for one of their own ... until he spoke. He was of Irish and German heritage. But in Thailand, nobody we met was mistaken about his not being Thai. So, in Colombia the younger gays from the USA may blend-in easier.1 point
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From The Nation The Thai Parliament president has called a joint meeting of the Houses of Representatives and the Senate next Friday (August 4) to elect Thailand’s new prime minister if the Constitutional Court rejects a petition challenging a parliamentary vote that blocked the renomination of Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat. Wan Muhamad Noor Matha, the speaker of the House of Representatives who doubles as Parliament president, said on Thursday that if the court accepted the petition by the Ombudsman’s Office for hearing and issued an injunction, the election of prime minister would have to be postponed further. If that happens, the joint meeting of both Houses scheduled for August 4 would deliberate a bill to amend Article 272 of the Constitution, which was submitted by the Move Forward Party, Wan Noor said. Move Forward’s amendment bill seeks the removal of Article 272, which empowers the Senate to join the lower House in electing Thailand’s prime minister. The Senate will have the power for five years from May 2019 when the first National Assembly convened after the 2017 Constitution came into effect. This power held by the unelected senators, which expires in May 2024, has been blamed for Pita’s failure to get sufficient parliamentary support to become prime minister. He obtained only 13 votes from the 250-member Senate. The Constitutional Court’s judges are scheduled to meet next Thursday (August 3) to decide whether to accept the petition by the Ombudsman’s Office.1 point
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End of 2021 when tourist numbers where still low and I was walking along Surawong Road in the night in sandals, rats were running over my feet more than one time. I dont know who was more shocked, me or the rats.1 point
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Thanks for the recommendation will bear in mind for future. I’ve had Mai and Arm (the best ive had i went back twice hee) too1 point
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I have frequently noticed rats but not that the numbers have increased in recent years.1 point
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Oppenheimer
PeterRS reacted to kokopelli3 for a topic
Somewhat reminiscent of the scare tactics during the Iraq War whereby "weapons of mass destruction" were reported but nothing was found. Nonetheless, Americans and Allies did have reason to be concerned about the Germans developing nuclear weapons.1 point -
I used to visit Chiang Mai regularly over many, many years and loved those trips. More recently, having seen the sights many times, been to Doi Inthanon to see the waterfalls, visited the orchid farms and ridden on elephants, I find the nights quite boring. I found the Night Bazaar bars dead! (That's really a misnomer as there are no longer any bars actually in the Night Bazaar whereas there used to be around 6 - even those behind the D2 hotel have vanished - as @musgrave points out there are a few on Soi 6 on the other side of the main road). Doing a bar hop on Soi 6, they had a few customers who seemed to be long time expats and a handful of not particularly attractive boys either playing pool or glued to their phones. So many of the good and fun bars have closed - many before covid. If you have not enjoyed the old town and the scenery, Chiang Mai is certainly worth a visit. As a gay venue, keep your expectations low. Adam's Apple with the boys in shorts and shirt tops? This used to be such an exciting bar with nudity. Alas for progress!1 point
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I'm not sure why you are reluctant to do so. Many modern smartphones are very secure for most people. In every story of a scam you will ever read, you will notice the common element: the victim was tricked into giving information they should not, and following the scammers instructions on installing software that gives the scammers access. The best defense is essentially being aware of those facts. If someone asks you for sensitive information, this should put you on guard and make you think about how genuine they are. If they ask you to install software, this should raise all the red flags. These are not high tech criminals. The people with the skills to hack phones are either working for state-level actors, cybersecurity companies or they're ransoming companies for $$millions.1 point
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I went to dream boys last night and drinks price is horrendous
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" ... supposed to ... " doesn't necessarily track reality. " ... enormous returns from the stock market ... " My retirement account has not seen any such returns. In fact, though the US stock market is improving ... my current balance ... without any withdrawals ... is almost exactly the same as it was 2 years ago. " ... housing ... " If someone rents it's more likely than not that they're paying higher monthly charges. In some instances substantially higher. If someone owns property, values have risen substantially in some areas of the country ... not all; paper gains until a property is sold ... not spendable now. " ... bitcoin ..." in the past 2 years the value of bitcoin has dropped by more than 100%. From $64,000 to today's price of +/- $30,000. I don't know anyone who buys it. ===== For me, originating travel fron Tampa, Florida USA: > A flight to BKK has a duration of 36 hours (including layover/connection) with a lowest fare cost of US$1,500. > A flight to GIG (Rio) has a duration of 10 hours with a lowest fare cost of US$665 (for the same travel days for a stay of 2 weeks). So, trip travel costs and travel times and logistics, coupled with sexual experience expectations at a particular destination are factors influencing the decision maker. Unless a gay retiree from the US has a strong interest in Thai culture and/or a strong preference for sex with Thai's or SE Asians and considers offing moneyboys or casual sexual relations with other guys in Thailand the optimum return on investment ... there are other travel / enjoyment opportunities.1 point -
Think of Nature Boys as Good Boys on steroids. Anything goes and if you are a bit shy, you can go behind the curtain at the back of the bar. If you cum in the bar -I don't recall ever doing that - you are charged the off fee. Chances are that guy back in October also has lots of guys on call - they are his friends, some of whom used to work in NB. They are always willing to turn up to the bar to meet you. I have a regular guy Bangkok so I even though I made it clear I wouldn't be offing anyone, they still came to the bar and we had a few drinks. I said I might be up for sex during the day and if so, I'd get in contact with them. Some may recall that I wrote about a medical problem I had at the start of my trip. Unfortunately, one of the side effects of the medication was a diminished libido. Even though 2 guys who I have offed numerous times over the years from NB came to the bar and I was dying to get into bed with them - both are hung like donkeys and one always insisted that I cum in his mouth (I love that!) I just didn't feel up to it, so to speak, during the day. In the past, a guy in the bar also recommended his Lao friend. "He have very big cock and like to fuck." So he called him and he certainly didn't disappoint. He was slim, handsome and OMG! What a cock! He was on offer in April too, but I had to decline. But now that I've become used to the medicine I think I'm ready to up my game! I feel a trip coming up.1 point
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You don't have to stay in Ximending but doing so gives you the same advantages as when staying in Silom in BKK. First, it's the best place to do some "twink watching" as it's not only a gay area but truly the center of the youth culture in Taipei. Second, as you said, gives you the possibility to be able to simply walk in most of the gay venues and third, as a consequence of the second, you make it very convenient for the guys you meet in bars and more importantly on apps to come to your place. In Ximending, I would recommend the WestGate hotel, which is right at the MRT exit. CitizenM is also pretty good and quite new. Popular with young crowd. It's about 10 minutes walk from the RedTheater. I have also stayed at a hotel inHouse Heritage. it has good reviews on Agoda and the rooms are pretty decent but they don't offer much view. Plus, didn't really like the breakfast in there. I was surprised to hear it was one of the hotels recommended by the Taipei pride organizers. Don't recommend Airbnb in Ximending as buildings tend to be quite old. If you end up not staying in Ximending, the area around Taipei Main Station has a few hotels. Probably the most famous is Palais de Chine, which also hosts the only 3-star Michelin restaurant in Taiwan. Never stayed in their rooms though, so can't really tell you. I have stayed a few times in Zhongshan., a relatively big neighborhood north of the main station with a mix of residential and commercial parts. It's pretty enjoyable walking at night over there. Especially the area close to the Soi13 gay sauna. If you really want something modern, then definitely stay in Xinyi, which contains also Taipei 101. The area attracts big crowds of all ages during the day. Most of the big 5-star chains are located in there though I would recommend the W Hotel. Super popular both with the local and the visiting Asian gay crowd. The good thing is that hotels in Taipei, no matter the number of stars, never have a problem with you bringing over any number of guests😉. Plus most of the staff I've encountered has always been very polite and friendly.1 point
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I doubt if I would fall for such a scam, but you never know. I seem to be one of the few who refuse to do banking on my phone.1 point
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New to Thailand - sex questions
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1. Oral is very safe. fucking, your risk is near zero with condom. add Truvada (PrEP) and Doxycycline (bacterial prep) and you reduce it even further. Syphilis, gonorrhea chlamydial and herpes can be transmitted orally. 2. very safe, but not as safe as with condom. 3. statistics in BKK say many money boys are infected with HIV (but how many of those are undetectable and therefore safe? I could not find a number.) 4. when I hire off the internet I always check if I have any doubt. from the bars I don't check. some hotels will want their ID. 5. many testing services are available as well as some test at home kits. reliability? why test if using condom and prep? I have had sex with HIV positive men. some undetectable, some not. safe sex practices and PrEP work. 6 not that I know of. I use 2 kinds of PrEP and often bareback anal and always oral bareback. Many here opine I am nuts. others quietly do the same. I think you are paranoid. Risk is risk. be informed, do what is comfortable for you.1 point -
It is almost 2 decades since I spent 4 nights in Luang Prabang - and loved them. It is a completely charming small city but never felt like a city. I flew in on Bangkok Airways. I understand there is a long boat service down the Mekong from Chiang Mai, but that would need to be checked to see if it still runs. Just meandering through the centre with its plethora of small temples and colonial houses was a joy. As was the gentle climb up Pussy Hill (although it is spelled Phousi!) to get an overview of the city. The former Royal Palace is now a Museum. And there is a lovely boat ride about 25 kms up the Mekong to the Pak Ou Caves where there are many hundreds of small Buddha sculptures. I had booked through the long dead Utopia Tours. I had a non-gay guide during two days but frankly a guidebook would have been just as good. One evening I had a gay guide. Funnily, that evening I had had an early dinner in a little restaurant around the corner from my guesthouse and spent the meal lusting after the two cute waiters. I was then amazed when my evening guide arrived. He was one of the waiters! Gay nightlife then was mostly limited to one very large bar cum disco with very few people and one smaller bar, again with few patrons. But I did get a feeling of Luang Prabang being quite cruisy. On my last afternoon before my flight back to Bangkok, I was sitting at one of the tables outside the guesthouse looking at the boat traffic on the Mekong. Soon three cute boys - not sure if they were in the last year at school or first at university but they were in uniform - came and sat nearby. As they were drinking their tea, they obviously were aware that I was looking at them. Soon one came over. He said one of his friends liked me and asked if I lliked him! Of course I did and told him so, but sadly I had absolutely no time to do anything. Bummer! One anecdote. The guesthouse on the banks of the Mekong was quite new. It was the idea of a Lao architect who had spent about 20 years in Sydney stuying and working before returning home. As I returned from sightseeing one afternoon, he told me I had just missed meeting Mick Jagger and his daughter and how he had had a fascinating chat with them. Another bummer! The Rolling Stones had had a concert in Bangkok cancelled when the plane taking all their stage and technical gear from the previous gig in Mumbai had broken down. So Jagger had hired a plane specifically to visit Luang Prabang. Since he was sitting on a table across from the guesthouse, the owner went up to say how nice it was to see him again. It turned out that the guesthouse owner had met Jagger during a concert in Sydney some years earlier. Then he formed part of the security guard. At a rehearsal, seeing that he was Asian Jagger had gone up to him to say the band had run out of pot and was there any way the Lao guy could obtain some more! It turned out that the owner had a friend in the Lao Embassy. So overnight, a stash of pot was sent down in the diplomatic bag!1 point
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Can we tell massage men that oil breaks condoms?
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It's available at Mahidol travel clinic near Victory Monument in Bangkok. I can recommend them, clearly structured website and cheaper than elsewhere, I did several vaccinations there.1 point -
I went to dream boys last night and drinks price is horrendous
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I miss Soi Twilight. For me, it was the heart of Bangkok's nightlife. When it closed, Bangkok was really ruined for me. I don't dislike Bangkok, I just prefer living in Pattaya, specifically Jomtien. The major problems for me in Bangkok is the pollution, the never ending traffic and the heat.1 point -
Kid With a Single Token at the Arcade
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Day 1-3 Sao Paulo As I disembarked my plane in São Paulo, I took in the fresh air, never realizing that a single breath can fill my lungs with so much oxygen. This city is alive and the greenery scattered across the city are lungs, transporting vitality into every weary traveler into Brazil. My plane arrived at 6 AM. Instead of begging for an early check in at the hotel front desk, I used the Dayuse app and spent $40 on a hotel room at the city center from 9 AM - 6 PM. It was the perfect location because I had many tasks to run today. First matter of the day is to get a sim card. I took an uber to the Frei Caneca Shopping Center, booked via the hotel internet. Once there, if I don’t get a sim card, then I have no way of booking an uber to the hotel! My first stop was Loja Vivo, where two employees claim that their system is down for today but maybe will be up tomorrow. My Portuguese sucks so much that I can’t call them on their bullshit. As the saying goes “immigrants, we get the job done.” I went with plan B, the Claro store. 4 employees were working but none would even acknowledge me. When I finally got their attention, the lady asked if I had a CBF? Surprise Motherfucker!!! I made the effort to get a CBF before coming to Brazil. When I presented her with a print out copy of my CBF card, the lady said it is not good. I don’t understand her reason, again my Portuguese sucks. My heart dropped. I must have looked very sad. One employee took pity on me, she told me to go to the American store on the 3rd floor and buy a sim card and then she could set me up using only my passport. 10r for the sim card and 30r for 12 gig data, a Brazilian phone number, and ability to text. Woot woot, achievement unlocked! Gold Chest appears! To celebrate, 2 starbucks donuts to the lady and none to the other witches. Day 1-3 is filled with exploration, food, and working up the courage to go to Lagoa. I will jump ahead to what y’all want to read in the next update.1 point -
Kid With a Single Token at the Arcade
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Day 4 Lagoa If not now, then when? I am not as brave as many people on the forum. However, after I take the first step I usually find my balance afterward. It was a Saturday night, one of the best days to visit Lagoa, when I decided to take my first step. I find the Paulistas take care of their bodies and have very good hygiene. While the sex is transactional, I think the boys deserve the same respect from tourists as locals give them. (Who knows, maybe I am just bullshitting) I decided to shower, scrub, shave, lotion myself, douche, and put on my favorite cologne. Then I am called the uber. When I got into the car, after the “Boa noite”s, the driver asked “voce va sauna?” With a smile, I exclaimed “Sim!” Tonight, I am gonna get what I want, who I want, and when I want. Entering Lagoa for the first time, I must have a neon sign that I can’t see on top of my head that reads “$newbie$” Immediately, I was swept up by a garoto who took it upon himself to show me the place and what to do: locker room to put your valuables in, change into slippers, the bar, the dry/hot saunas, the adult video areas, the gym, the bar, and etc. Afterward, he grabbed me and stuck his tongue inside my mouth and asked me to get a room with him. My Mamas (you guys) raised me to know better, I thank you and gave him a 20r tip and told him I want to explore the area first. He said he wants a 50r, I told him no, then the baby started to pout but took the 20r (I remedied the situation later by buying him a drink , he is a good guy). Somehow, every boy knows that I am a newbie. I was sniffed, kissed, grabbed by arm and ass, asked to touch their piece (contrary to the second night, I was left alone). Going up and down the stairs and exploring many rooms, I was a kid in a candy store and the store had all the flavors of the rainbow.1 point -
Introduction If this pandemic has ever taught me anything, is that to never take anything for granted ever again. My last trip to Thailand was in December 2019. That trip was the only Thailand trip I had that year, having prioritized Brazil and Colombia that year. I was already figuring out that Brazil catered more to my evolving taste for both boys, sex and entertainment, but I was still wanting to go to Thailand because of the food, the locations, and yes, of course the boys. Thailand's unwillingness to reopen as soon as others have (during the pandemic), however, has given me the opportunity to visit Brazil more, thus deepening my connection to that country, at the expense of the Land of Smiles. Throughout all that though, I've been trying to go back to Thailand since it always will hold a special place in my heart. I remember my last international trip before air travel was paused during the pandemic. No surprise, it was to Brazil. I remember entering Sao Paulo on March 17, 2020. The plane was half full, the streets of Sao Paulo where empty, and everyone was sheltering in place, even if Carnaval ended just 3 weeks before. On March 19, Brazil closed its land borders. After that, I finally decided to go back home on March 23, 2020, fearing that flights back to the USA would be cancelled eventually. And I was right. On March 27 they announced that Brazil would close all its borders, even air, on March 30. Thailand had a similar thought process, closing its land borders on March 18, and then all borders on March 26, 2020. I know that I am not the only one to think that this pandemic was only going to be 2-week thing when it started. And then a month rolled by, and then 3 months. Since I was just at home, my routine started to change. I exercised more. Ate better. I did more video calls, both for work, and for friends far away, similarly stuck at home, wondering when this will all end. I’ve gotten lots of desperate cries for money from boys (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia) without any incomes with all the saunas and clubs closed. Though it all, I thought I did pretty good for myself, and actually was able to focus on other important things that I wouldn’t normally would have without the urgency of the pandemic looming all over us. I was pained of course, as I had plans to go Thailand over Songkran in 2020: And then something miraculous happened: Brazil decided to open up again. July 30 was the date, so after only 4 months of staying put, I was able to travel again. And it was glorious. Less people in airports and airport parking which meant less time needing to be at the airport. Less people flying which means either instant upgrades to Business class, or having a row to myself in economy. Less stupid tourists clogging up the streets, and less people in the streets in general. And yeah, you had to wear a mask in the plane, but at that point, I’ve gotten used to it, and counted myself lucky to still be even traveling to care. And with Brazil’s infinite wisdom, most of the clubs in Rio and Sao Paulo opened up as well, which meant that I was sometimes the only gringo at the premises. I certainly made the most of it, judging from these trip reports: Through it all though, I’ve had Thailand in the back of my mind. When the hell will it ever open up? 2021 rolled around. Apart from my monthly, multi-week trips to Brazil, I’ve pretty much scoured most of Western Europe, the Middle East and Mexico. But Thailand has remained closed. (I’ve also have been keeping my eye on Japan, which is still in a weird reopening phase. I’ve been dying to return.) I see domino after domino of COVID restrictions fall down. Except Thailand. I shared this in August 2021: Then the Phuket sandbox happened in July 2021, and while appealing, still was too restrictive for me. And news about the bars still closed was disheartening. Then Thai Pass was introduced in November 2021, and that felt more appealing to me, though the RT-PCR requirement, and the quarantine hotel requirement was something that was a bit unnerving to me. It just introduced (perhaps unnecessary) wildcards to a supposedly wonderful trip. I’d rather just go straight to Brazil, (even with their evolving COVID requirements as well – from medical insurance requirements, to COVID test, to having scrapped everything as of April 2022), and their open bars. I finally bit the bullet and bought my ticket to Bangkok last April. I was heading to Dubai in June, and found it interesting to instead head over to Bangkok after that trip instead of high-tailing it back to California. Also, Thailand dropping the COVID test requirement for vaccinated travelers was the deciding factor for me as well. The COVID dominos were starting to fall in Thailand. The June 12 announcement that the USA was dropping its COVID testing requirement to enter the USA was another domino falling that was just icing on the cake. It seems that the stars are aligning in just the right times for me to make a comeback in Thailand. So next post will be my preparations for the trip, and the REAL reason I am going to Thailand. P.S. To new posters, yes, I am always this long-winded when it comes to my trip reports. An example:1 point
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Villa Gianni in London, UK
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Prostitution (meaning one on one exchange of sex for money, directly from client to sex worker) is legal, as long as the deal or the act are not done on the public streets. Working as a prostitute in a brothel is also legal. However, the tricky part is that owning and operating a brothel, and third-party pimping (a third party making the arrangements for the sex work between the worker and a customer) are illegal in the UK. What this OP tried to do by asking him to describe in detail the sex the workers will agree to do with the customer for money amounts to engaging the manager third-party pimping. Those are questions for the service provider, not for the manager of the establishment. The manager was right to keep his mouth shut about specific sex acts and show the OP the door. Villa Gianni has remained open for years in on a quiet, unassuming, residential block, and it stays within the strict confines of the UK laws on prostitution. There’s a reason it stays open.1 point -
1.9: Third Time’s a Charm Three offs a day is probably my limit when it comes to Thailand. I have not offed more than three boys a day ever (I think). I don’t think I’ve arranged any (paid) mini-orgies because that obviously can be prohibitively expensive. I have arranged (free boy) orgies before, and one was this trip, but not in Thailand. That’s probably a story for another time. But speaking about Monger Index, offing three Thai boys is still probably cheaper, or at least as costly, as getting one boy for an hour back in the USA. But right now, my attention is on Cambodian boy (Cam Boy) from Fresh Boys 3 hours ago. Finally, after being with ShanBoy in the beginning, after MonBoy’s trip down memory lane, I try to remember why I offed Cam Boy in the first place. He was tall, cute face, his shirt hugging his lean frame, and his fashionable jeans forming his thighs perfectly. In the elevator, I put a hand on his tummy. Rock hard six pack abs. That would be exciting to feel out tonight. I look at his groin area and I see a considerable bulge. For some reason he was sexier now with more clothes one than in those skimpy white briefs on the stage in Fresh Boys. “What you do after you go Fresh Boy,” he asks me in broken English. “I go other bar off boy,” I tell him honestly. “WOW really, you have sex now with boy?” We head over to my room. “Yes and also I have sex your friend in the day. I have two boy already today.” I look at his face as he processes this information. I wonder what he thought about this. We get to the room. He sits down on the couch and starts taking off his shoes. I ask him to take all his clothes except for his underwear. He does this and I am impressed by what I see. It is one thing to off someone based on what you see in the darkness of a bar and having him sit with you. Its another thing to see the same person in the flesh in bright hotel room lights. This kid was a stunner. And a stealth stunner for sure, because you would have never known in the bar. Great chest, nice 8(!) pack abs, and nice arm definition. His thighs were big for his frame, and had a sprinkling of hair on them. And the best part of all. He was already hard, and his sizeable penis was already peaking out of his briefs. I had no choice but to unwrap the goods. I slid his briefs off him, and out flops out his cock. This cock was easily 7, maybe 8 inches and thick. Again, you would never know onstage in Fresh Boys that this kid had this big cock. And he was hard, which was good for me because we haven’t done anything yet, which means that I at least have his interest. I examine the cock, peel the foreskin back. One must admire such beauty when it presents itself in front of you. “Customer want you fuck them?” I ask him, knowing that the answer is yes, because that cock was made to top. “Yes, I top many,” he answers, proud of himself. “OK good, but I no bottom. I top only ok?” He nods, understanding the request, probably thoroughly briefed by Shan Boy about my preferences. I turn him around and bend him over to expose his ass. His hole was equally beautiful. I put a tongue in there, and then my whole mouth. Again, no scent, no trace of anything. It was a trend today. All the asses I’ve rimmed today have been pristine. We go to the bed. I hurriedly take off all my clothes. I lie down and he starts sucking off my already hard cock. He was a pro. I let him do this for a while. He pulls me up and kisses me full on the lips. Now we are talking. He was getting horny. I feel the urgency in his kisses. Really deep, wanting more and more. He kept jacking off my cock as we kiss. He was aiming to please. After a few rounds of him sucking me and me rimming him, while kissing every chance we get, I reach for the condom and lube and tell him its time. He lays down, lifts up his legs, and I put in a lubed finger to see how he was. And he was ready. I slide in my cock and fuck him. Even with the two other fucks I’ve had today I was still enjoying the sensation, as I thrust back and forth. His big cock sways back and forth with every thrust, and his abs tense up with every thrust. These were great visuals. He touches his cock, and with a few pumps he cums. There was a lot. He has been storing this for a while. I keep fucking him. I take his cum and jack his still hard cock with it. The sensation of cum in my hand and his cock was amazing. Pretty soon I cum as well. Third time’s a charm. I scoop the remaining cum off of his torso and put it in his mouth. He licks it all. We kiss. We shower. We exchange Line. We laugh at the absurdity of offing three boys in a day. I give him 2000 baht. I text Shan Boy and tell him the coast is clear. I offer Cam Boy a free Crowne Plaza bottled water. Cam Boy gives me a big sloppy wet kiss, and he leaves. Five minutes later Shan Boy appears. He hugs me. He goes to the bedroom and inspects the carnage. “Three boy many na,” he said, laughing. I am glad he is in on the absurdity of it all. He sees my clear lube bottle and examines it. “Before like this,” pointing to the top of the bottle. “Now like this,” pointing to the current level of the lube. I have used almost half of the lube today. I usually bring a travel-sized 3 ounce bottle of lube to trips like this. If my normal days are like today, I think I need to graduate to the normal size bottle. “You shower na?” I ask him. “Yes, moment,” he tells me. I tidy up the bed, trying to at least undo the damage from Cam Boy. He emerges in a towel, looking nice with his hair still tousled. He finds his underwear and tries to wear it. “No,” I tell him. “I want you cum.” I did not want a load go to waste. Even if I came three times already, I wanted Shan Boy to cum as well. I am greedy this trip. Shan Boy does what I say. He tidies up after himself and turns off all the lights except the one by the bed and gets in the bed. I do my work. I put his cock in my mouth. I feel it get hard with every second it was in my mouth. I suck greedily, with purpose. Shan Boy moans. I look up and see him with his eyes closed. I labor some more. He cums in my mouth. I think my trips to South America has emboldened me sexually. Today was a good day. We both sleep soundly tonight. Tomorrow, a lot of other things to do, and another three boy day, next…1 point
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Day 0.5: Starting off my trip right I am very fortunate to have a job that allows me to travel a lot. Sometimes I travel for work as well, and I try to schedule side trips whenever I can around work. This Bangkok trip is like the latter. I am heading off to work in a country near Thailand that does not have near the quality of the sex tourism infrastructure that Thailand has, although there is an abundance of free boys there. I am not worried about not having sex in the country I am going to work at. But I did want to carve some time away from work to take advantage of the superior nightlife Bangkok had to offer. As I mentioned in the previous post, I was in Bangkok last February. It was during Chinese New Year, and it was a weird trip. Somehow the gogo boys were not clicking for me. For example I went to the legendary Tawan with a Grindr hookup and he mentioned (and I agreed) how depressing the atmosphere was and it was all “old man gogo.” Maybe it was because it was a holiday weekend so not a lot of gogos were in the city that weekend. Three things were good though: (1) paulsf was in town so I got to hang out with him, and also met Michael and Divinemadman for the first time (nice to meet you guys!), (2) the lack of quality gogos was compensated by the presence of Chinese tourists who were visiting over the holiday, so this was the only Bangkok trip in a while where I slept with more Grindr hookups than gogo boys and (3) got to off a nice handsome young muscle boy in Tawan who while in the bar said he doesn’t bottom, but back in my condo happily took all of me. This trip I am prepared to just go all gogo boys, and no Grindr hookups (maybe). The money I saved from last trip, I will get to add to the budget this time, so I have even more freedom to get boys without thinking about breaking the bank. Also this trip, I didn’t want to waste time scouting for an AirBNB apartment, so I just booked myself four nights at the Crowne Plaza Lumpini Park. A little bit pricey but it’s been a good year. Normally I’d stay the first night there and then go on to a cheaper and homelier AirBNB in Silom Soi 3. The Bangkok Crowne Plaza’s ability to check me in earlier than usual, even as early as 8 AM one time, is always its shining quality for me. Nothing like getting in early in the day and sleeping off the jetlag, to wake up late afternoon all fresh and ready to go hit the bars. With this trip I haven’t really thought about travel companions or anything like that. I have not been as prepared for this as previous trips. But someone else has been more prepared for it than I am. Throughout my Bangkok trips I have collected a few Line chat buddies from boys I’ve met. They usually are hot and heavy right after the trip, as they chat me up furiously on Line, constantly asking me when my next trip would be. The messages die down after a while, maybe because I haven’t sent them any money or I haven’t replied soon enough to their liking, or in this case, I have not been back to Thailand in a while. But there is one boy that has been a constant contact. Remember him? He was a gogo boy in X-size. I have not seen him since December 2016. That’s a long time for a boy to still keep in contact with me. He is not much of a talker on Line, but he occasionally sends me hi, hello, how are you messages on Line probably once a month, like here, March and April. There trickle messaging keeps him alive in my head: So at the end of last month he messages me, but I added that I was gonna be there in June: I guess persistence really pays off. I don’t know what possessed me to ask him if he could meet me at the airport, but I did anyway: I guess I was so used to having BurBoy (remember him?) usually meet me at the airport, so it was fairly reflexive for me to ask ShanBoy if he could do this for me as well. He has been to the airport with me before, to say goodbye (remember that?) so his yes at least was not a surprise. He asks me where I was staying: Of course I ask him for updates photos of him. He sends some photos of him shirtless, and I remembered why I was attracted to him in the first place. Nice golden brown skin, amazing abs definition, muscular arms and legs. He is what I would call a “Super Twink,” or a twink who lifts weights. He is like a twink, slight in build, but with much better muscle definition. He is also taller than I am, so really, he is the definition of Super Twink. Fast forward to the day of my flight. It was primarily a work trip, and I had two giant suitcases with me filled with work items. Since BKK was not my work destination, I would be lugging around these two suitcases from the airport and back. So I guess having someone meet me at the airport to help me carry these around would be prudent. ShanBoy confirms that he is going to meet me at the airport, like a good worker that he is. I reply on my layover in HK: GayThailand is littered with stories about Gogo Boys being late all the time. ShanBoy, however, continues to be an anomaly. He was actually early to get to the airport, and gave me status updates of where he is: This kid is a real professional. He even gives me an idea of where he is: After the usual line in immigration and wait in baggage claim, it was 11:23 AM when I get to the arrivals hall. I ask him where he was: We meet at Door 6. He sees me first, as I see him already smiling when I find him in the crowd. He gives me a curt hug, and then immediately takes my luggage trolley and navigates it through the crowd. It kind of felt like having a butler fetch you at the airport: He asks if we were going to take the Airport Link train or the Taxi. I say Taxi, since the suitcases were kind of unwieldy to wrestle in a train car and elevators. He deftly guides us to the taxi level, and helps the driver load up my giant bags in the taxi. I just stood there, like the tourist that I am, as my workers helped me. Through the years of visiting BKK, I am fairly adept with telling Thai drivers where my destination is, but for some reason I was sort of relieved that ShanBoy did all the talking for me. He even remembered where my hotel was, just from our conversation weeks earlier, and didn’t have to ask me where I was staying to tell the taxi driver. Maybe he really is my butler. So with that, I kick-off my Bangkok adventure with my gogo boy-butler. Next, reacquainting myself with ShanBoy.1 point
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BONUS POST 5: Dos Males o Menos When in Thailand, the process of hiring a boy and taking him out of his boy bar is called “offing”. There are two types of offs. An off is “short-time” if you take the boy out between 15 minutes to 3 hours, usually with just one sex event within that time. Afterwhich the boy goes home, or goes back to his bar if it early enough (to get more customers). The off is called “long-time” if the hire goes over the mythical 3 hour mark, usually with the boy staying over to sleep with you, and may or may not feature an extra sex event or two, usually in the morning when you and/or him has morning wood. The Thai bar boys operate on a flat-rate (similar to Brazil) and not an hourly rate like in the West, so you usually agree on a rate before the off. And oddly, the long-time rate is not a multiple of the short-time rate. I’ve had short-time rates at $40 lasting an hour. And I’ve had long-time rates lasting for 24 hours only paying $75. It depends on the john, the boy, the circumstance, and maybe how nice your hotel room is (usually, if they prefer your bed over their own for the night). So essentially, I initially was only “short-timing” Gabriel at the sauna, with our 20 minutes or so tryst. Then, mid-off, I decided to “long-time” him, which entailed me taking him out of the sauna. There was no “off” fee for him, or the fee to take him out, like in most Thailand gogo bars, so I guess that is advantage Brazil. But there was still the matter what was his “long-time” fee was, in addition to the 200 reais I already gave him earlier. Such things I did not know, and the BoyToy forums are a little vague about what clients pay their companions when outside the confines of the sauna. But there are more urgent matters right now, as I peel off his now familiar speedo off of him. His huge cock, now super hard and pointing upwards, was a treat I just had to indulge on. I sit up to put it in my mouth. It won’t all fit in, but I try anyway. Once I was satisfied, I migrate down to his beautiful ass. It still tasted as good as it was in the sauna, but since I was not on a bed that a thousand client-customer pairs have defiled throughout the years, in a room that has seen so much action and filth, and I was instead in the confines of my own (albeit temporary) comfortable apartment, I was able to spread my wings a little bit wider. And that meant spreading his legs a little bit wider too as well, as I ate him out for a while. His moans of pleasure, and his outstretched hand guiding my head to eat him harder and to navigate me to where he wanted me to focus, all added to the experience. After a while he knew what was coming next. He leaves the bed and disappears to the living room, and returns with a condom, lube pack, and his trusty tube of lidocaine. I take the condom, unwrap it and put it on my cock. He takes both lidocaine and lube up his ass, and gives me the lube packet to oil up my thing. He immediately gets on all fours. I oblige and fuck him like this. After a while I sit down and lean my body on our bed’s headboard. He treats this as his next position, as he stands up and then squats down to take my cock. It was probably weird seeing the two of us like this, because he was the bigger and longer pf us two, and I was the smaller and slighter, but the up-close sight of his heaving body and bulging muscles making this position work for me, was all it took for me to cum in the condom. Still with my cock in him, he jacks himself off. I ever so slightly open my mouth and he sits up to cum in my mouth. Despite the relative complexity of our physical exertions, we definitely did not have to speak the same language to be in-sync sexually. He was a find. My one gripe about this apartment is that the shower is not that big, so we had to take turns in taking showers. He wanted me to go first, MISTAKE #3: so I go to the bathroom and shut the door and take a luxurious shower. Mid-shower Gabriel goes in with a toothbrush and starts brushing his teeth while I was there. I finish, towel dry, and then it was Gabriel’s turn to shower, and my turn to brush my teeth. I leave the bathroom and shut the door and look for my boxer briefs. It did not occur to me then that the time I left Gabriel out there alone, he could have just robbed me and left. He didn’t. While waiting for him to finish I check my phone in the living room. Lots of messages to answer. After some time I see Gabriel emerge from the bedroom, with my 12” iPad Pro in hand. “Posso?” he asks. “Sim,” I say. But of course, MISTAKE #4: all my stuff, including expensive electronics, is just ripe for the picking for Gabriel. But here he was, asking permission to use the iPad Pro. I unlock the device with my thumb, and out pops out YouTube, with the music video of the “Vai Malandra” by Anitta, was playing mid-song: Vai Malandra pretty much has defined my whole stay here in Brazil. This song was release just last December 18, right in the middle of my stay in Sao Paulo. That day I was with my Paulista friend who was a hairdresser, and he was the one who put the song in my YouTube. Later that day it was as if the whole city was exploding with discovery of that song. You could hear it everywhere. And I watched the video transfixed with all the images. There was a lot of things going on in the video, but the best things about it was it shot in the Vidigal favela in Rio. And in particular, the sequence wherein Anitta cavorts with two blonde cariocas, stood out for me: Gabriel played the video and was screaming by the end of this sequence. He clearly wanted me to see this sequence because of the presence of the two bleach blonde cariocas, who kind of looked like him. This shot of the two boys from the back made me realize how much Gabriel looked like them from this angle, gold necklace, tan skin, and everything else (and if the back was more muscular).: The boys were going to jump on this makeshift pool, on a bed of a truck: With Anitta, just vamping at the side: I took my phone and typed in for Gabriel: “You could star in this music video. You look like the blonde boys.” He nods and smiles profusely and flexes a bicep and says “Sim! Mais musculoso!” Indeed. He was mais musculoso than the two boys in the video. And mais lindo. And mais carinhoso. And most likely mais everything else. One last thing from this video, a shot of one of the hunks. If you ever have to imagine what Gabriel looks like, he may look like this (with way more muscle): My favorite part, when he shows his tongue: The full video, in case you can stand Brazilian pop music: Vai Malandra Vai Malandra has followed me from the streets of Sao Paulo, to the malls of Natal, to the nightclubs in Salvador, and now here, in my Ipanema apartment, with my carioca boyfriend for the night, watching it in my iPad Pro. Gabriel talked more about the Vidigal favela, and favelas in general. He says that Vidigal is going through some gentrification, and he googled some photos of the Alto Vidigal Bar and lounge as proof. The bar had some fantastic views of Rio. He told me we should go there sometime. Sigh. Someday. We talk a little bit about a bunch of other things. About my life in the USA. About my trip in Brazil. He tells me about why he is a garoto (the usual tale of poverty and supporting the mother and siblings). He shows me photos of his family. I show him photos of my vacation in Brazil. I showed my whole iPhone photo roll, which contained some risqué photos of the boys I’ve met along the way, and my BF too. He looks at them with some curiosity, and then google translates this: “Sometime, maybe we can get a boy and fuck him together.” I think I am in love. After a few more topics of discussion we decide to go to bed. I told him that the alarm was set at 6 AM because I had a flight to catch. We both sleep in our underwear. He wants to be big spoon, so we cuddle. All the activity today must have gotten to me, because I sleep all the way through and get awoken by the alarm. I suddenly figure out where I was and who I was with. I see Gabriel still fast asleep, his tight body and tan skin glistening. I go to the bathroom to pee. And then after I look around and see that everything is still intact. MISTAKE #5: I find my passport on the table just there ripe for the picking. The AirBNB unit did not have a safe so if Gabriel were to steal it I would be SOL on my flight back to the US today. I figure that if Gabriel was bad, he would have done something by now. I’ve given him so many chances to rob or kill me. I even remember him offering gum after dinner and I just popped it in my mouth. So many mistakes tonight. I hear the toilet flush. I guess Gabriel was up. He emerged and went over to hug and kiss me. “Tudo bem?” he asks. Yes, everything was fine. My time with him was up. I have stretched my time with him as much as I could. I had to pack for my flight. I had to meet up with the AirBNB guy at 9:30 AM. I had to do a million things. But of course, the most important thing I had to do is pay him for the extra time he spent with me. I had no clue what 11 extra hours of time is worth for him. I take out my wallet and fish out 4 50 reais bill. I guess $62 would be enough, in addition of course to his other 200 in the sauna? I had no idea. He pocketed the money without question. I felt bad. Was it too little? I figure I would do the next best thing. I told him I would get him an Uber, so he does not have to wrestle with subways and busses. I hand him my phone and he types in his address. 15 minutes later we get a bite from Uber. 8 minutes away. I give him a big hug. I type in a few goodbye phrases, and he bids me a nice flight, and thanked me for the Uber. 3 minutes away. I kiss him, he kisses back. I go with him to the lobby to bid him goodbye. We get to the gate and the car was there. He gets in and closes the door. He waves one last time before the car took him away. 40 minutes later, this was the fare: It was reasonable, considering the distance. 30 minutes later, as promised, he sends me a video of him skateboarding. It was impressive. 3 weeks later, he would send me photos of him, his brother, and his friends in bathing suits ready to go to the beach. I recognize some of his friends from the sauna. 5 weeks later he sends me 2 photos of his birthday celebration. Turning 23 looks good on him. And now, 7 weeks later, I agree to have him be my travel companion for part of my next Brazil trip in April, which coincides with my birthday. I will spend 3 nights in Sao Paulo and 3 nights in Porto Alegre with him, paying him a flat rate of 300 reais a day, except on my birthday, which he says he is free for me, as a birthday present. And to sweeten the pot, he says this: He will go with me to the sauna and we can fuck boys together. I guess we have a deal. I am starting to like this country.1 point
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Day 2.0: How to do Long Time - Numazu style I've always preferred doing Long Time than Short Time. There was an interesting, but unfortunately contentious thread about doing long time versus short time here. I shared my own opinions about long time on that thread here. This trip, I add another reason to do long time: it’s a chance to off two boys separately in the same night. Off the first boy at the start of the night (like the Korean), and then get the other boy for long time to close out the night (like MonBoy). So here are the steps on how I do Long Time: Evening Sex: Feeling Each Other Out So he takes off his underwear, and his legendary cock just flops out. The Jupiter captain wasn’t kidding. The cock was a monster. I’ve seen my fair share of large cocks here in Thailand, but MonBoy’s own version of hung was a league of its own. And the effect was striking too. At 5’6 he was as tall as I was, and he had a lean muscular frame with a broad back, so his hung and thick cock looked even bigger relative to the rest his body. And he knew how to display it too, to get the effect he wanted out of a customer. I was salivating. But I had to do this right. I stand up as well and instead of putting my mouth on his cock, as probably 99% of customers would do, I put my lips in his and kissed him deeply. He takes his hand behind my head to angle my head to his liking. He pulls me to the bed and sits me down. We kiss some more and he sits on my lap while kissing. His giant cock was resting on my tummy, still hard even with his off just an hour ago. I wasn’t thinking about that though, I was just thinking about him. He takes my shirt off, and I take off my shorts and underwear and we both lie on the bed and just grind on each other. He kept smelling me. My forehead, my neck, my chest and my pits. He goes back to kissing me. I finally take his cock in my hand and examine it. Man, this cock was huge. Easily the biggest I’ve had in Thailand. The cock was hard and wrapped in a healthy amount of foreskin. The foreskin itself was thick as well. I look up to him. He was looking down at me, smiling. He probably is used to this, customers admiring his cock. I try to put it in my mouth. And try being the operative word. It was too thick and too long to put in my mouth. So really it was probably just a nibble what I did. I lick and and I eat it and I stroke it and tongue it. I do my best but of course it was just a nibble. I give up and just lie down for a while. MonBoy leans in for more kisses. This was great. We do this for a while until he asks if he could fuck me. I laugh and tell him that there is no way I am trying to bottom for him tonight. He says he wants to make me happy. I tell him I would be happy if I can fuck him. He smiles, a little tentatively. He doesn’t say anything. I tell him that I know he is a top but I want him to bottom for me. He nods and then smiles again. He reiterates that he wants to make me happy. I ask him if he will be happy bottoming. He says the classic: “You happy, I’m happy.” So he gets off the bed to get stuff from his pants. It was a packet of lube and a condom. He unwraps the condom and puts it on my hard cock. He breaks the lube packet and greases up my pole. He gets on the bed and puts lube in his hole. He asks me to put a finger in first to warm him up. I take the packet and puts some lube on my finger. I pull him in down and set him next to me. I put one of his legs up and start putting my pointer finger in. I start kissing him and start working it in. He seems to like being kissed and being probed. So I prop myself up and lift both his legs up. I start putting my cock in, very slowly. He makes a face. He clearly is not a bottom. I lean in to kiss him. I start pinching his nipples. After a few more thrusts I was in. I continue kissing him, and he was limber enough to get his legs to accept me leaning in and fucking him. I get a good groove in. He was just kissing me with his eyes closed. I stop fucking him and take off the condom. “Chuck wow na!” I entice him. I start jacking off his semi-hard cock, which was still a monster. I make it hard and start stroking. I give him kisses while stroking him. His kisses back became stronger. And then he shoots all over his tummy. He still came a lot. He smiles at me and tells me: “I make you happy.” He sucks me for a little bit to make me hard. He chuck wows me while kissing me, the same way I did him. He sucks my nipples, bites my neck, and smells me all over. I come pretty quick. We shower together. He soaps me down first. When he rinses me down he tells me to wait for me in the bed. I towel down and see him clean himself. He brushes his teeth. He takes a swig of water and joins me in the bed. Sleeping Together: Two Strangers in a Bed In bed we talk for a bit. About working in Jupiter. About me working in the U.S. About other things. Just getting to know you stuff. I turn off the lights. I show him the earplugs I wear when sleeping with strangers. He understands and I put them in. In the cold aircon he cuddles with me. He is a cuddler. He puts my head on his chest for me to use as a pillow. He drapes a leg on my body. He is out like a light. Getting to sleep quickly with strangers is a good skill to have as a money boy. He must be exhausted. He had to entertain me, dance in the shower show for 10 minutes, appease me, fuck another customer, and then had to appease me a second time. He deserves his rest. I am not a cuddler, but I had a feeling that tonight was not about getting sleep for me. It was about taking him in. Even in sleeping he has me surrounded. I drift in and out of sleep at times, but with me not being a cuddler it was hard to get straight sleep. But I didn’t care. I was enjoying this closeness. This was the first time I’ve had a boy on long time who I enjoyed being close to while he was sleeping. This was a good way to get to know him. In various points of the night I of course checked the monster. I’d look at it, touch it, play with it. I am sure he was used to that. His cock was something else. Morning Sex: One More for the Road The alarm woke us up at 8:30 AM. I told him earlier I had to be “somewhere” at 11 AM” so he suggested to wake up at 9. He stirs without opening his eyes. He holds me tighter and says in a raspy voice “Good morning." I kiss his cheek. He smiles. “You ok?” asking without opening his eyes. I tell him I was great. “What you want do?” I told him: “Sex.” He opens his eyes widely. “Really? Sex?” I laugh. I told him I was joking. He laughs and closes his eyes again. He holds me tight. I get off the bed to pee. I see my wallet and passport just on the office desk. I didn’t even bother putting anything in the safe. I am usually careful but I guess I got lucky with the choice of boy. I see MonBoy go to the bathroom to pee as well, his cock swinging back and forth while he walks to the bathroom. He emerges and asks me if I wanted to shower together. I thought, didn’t we just shower before going to bed? But OK. He turns on the shower and commences to soap me down again. He rinses me off. But he doesn’t ask me to leave. He soaps himself down and cleans out his ass as well. Did he not think I was joking? He may be preparing for sex. I was not complaining. He finishes rinsing and we both towel off. He starts kissing me when we finish drying. We make our way to the bed and continue kissing. I turn him around and start eating his ass. It was heaven. For a top, and used to using his cock, he had a magnificent ass. I am sure his ass was not used to getting this kind of attention. But he seemed to be loving it. While I was eating him out he was chuck-wowing himself. So when I turn him back to face me, his cock was at full, world beating, strength. I suck him while a finger still lodged in his ass. He was liking the attention. I go to the bathroom to get a condom and lube. I put it on and lube him and myself up. I fuck him standing up, with him bending over the bed. Fucking someone the same height had its advantages. I reach around and jack his monster cock. I pull out and cum on his back. I turn him around and suck his cock again. I let him do his work. It was amazing seeing him strain to stroke his cock and giving himself pleasure. His muscles were tensing up. The veins on his arms were popping. He let out a scream. I catch it all. Breakfast was served. (Actual) Breakfast: Getting to know each other more We shower again, of course. I tell him we are going to have breakfast. We put clothes on and we head down to the 23rd floor. I was given free breakfast this stay so the option for restaurant was made for me. As I approach the receptionist to ask for a table. MonBoy whispers something in my ear: “I cannot eat.” I look at him puzzled as we get seated. When we sit he tells me that he cannot eat western food. I guess being a gogo boy in Jupiter for only 2 weeks, and being a farmer before Bangkok, meant that he was not used to eating other food yet. I ask the waiter if he could give MonBoy a menu. The waiter gets one and after looking at it MonBoy talked to the waiter for his choice. OK, he found something to eat. I go to the breakfast buffet on gorge on the food. While eating he kept thanking me for not kicking him out last night. He thanked me for agreeing to take him after getting offed by a customer. I told him he was a good boy, and that he made up for it by taking care of me pretty well tonight. He gets his food (some fish and rice things) and while eating he was in good spirits. He tells me about his intention to quit Jupiter as soon as he got the money he needed. He shows me photos on his phone of his house (pretty simple and poor), his family (traditional and poor), and his friends here in Bangkok (mostly money boys and in the service industry). He takes a selfie with me. He doesn’t post it on facebook. He said it was just for him. I take one of us as well on my phone. We finish breakfast and go back up to the room. We sit on the bed and he asks me if he can see me tonight. He does not want to go to Jupiter tonight and wanted to see if he can spend time with me. I told him no, of course. I was going to be with BurBoy today. So I tell him I will be busy with friends. He seemed sad about this. I make a suggestion. I told him I will give him his off fee of 400 baht for tonight so he doesn’t have to go to Jupiter at least. He hugs me. He says he has not had a day off in the first 2 weeks of his employment in Jupiter, so he appreciates it if he can just relax tonight. He then asks me if he can see me tomorrow. Of course I can’t. I was supposed to leave tomorrow for the Philippines. But the look on his face was hopeful. It was a face one could not say no to. I make a quick calculation in my head and tell him “Yes, I see you tomorrow.” But how? This was how: I pack the little belongings I had in the hotel. We take the elevator to reception to check out. While I wait I go to google maps in my phone and type “Thai airways”. I find an office near Silom Plaza where Arena was. We take the elevator to the lobby and ask the concierge for a taxi and show him where the Thai Airways office was in the map. We get into the taxi and 60 baht later we were there. In the Thai Airways office I change my flight out of Bangkok from tomorrow to the next day. It cost me $50 to change it but it was one of many impulsive decisions I do in the moment whenever I am in Bangkok. I get my change ticket and head over were MonBoy was and confirm with him that yes, I will see him tomorrow. I take my wallet and count his standard long time money (3000), and 400 baht more for his off fee tonight. I made him promise me to give me photos all day today whenever he can. He hugs me in front of Thai airways staff. We step outside and I tell him I was going to my friend’s condo now. He understands and looks for a mocy taxi to take to his room. He finds one and give me one last kiss before he speeds away. The Silom Soi 3 condo was just a 5-minute walk from where I was. Where I was due to meet BurBoy in 15 minutes. I was really cutting it close. Next, the love of my life.1 point
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Day 1.9: Advantage: numazu When thinking about getting into any kind of relationship with a working boy in Thailand, and you are a Westerner visiting, invariably you start at a huge advantage in the relationship. You have the money that they need, you usually choose where both of you sleep, what you guys do, and when you leave and start making regular trips back, you also get to dictate the time both of you spend with each other. Sure, they probably have the youth and sex drive as their bargaining chips, but more often than not the person who holds the purse strings also holds most of the power. Now tonight, with MonBoy having broken 2 promises this night (one to pick him at 12 midnight, and then finishing his off at 1 AM), is starting even at a further disadvantage with me. I was (faking) being angry with him, and it looks like he was concerned about it. He approaches the Captain and I, and he tries to hug me, even with both of my arms still crossed. The Captain talks to MonBoy. Not sure what he was saying, but MonBoy nods a lot, maybe he was giving him instructions on how to make it up to me, or chastising him in getting in this predicament. I felt slightly bad for MonBoy but held my (fake angry) ground. The Captain puts an arm around me whispers in my ear: “He take care of you tonight. You will be very happy.” He was like a fortune teller almost, telling me I will be very happy tonight. We shall see how much this boy wants to keep my business. We are left alone by the Captain and I start walking towards Silom. MonBoy tried to keep up with my furious pace, and then decides to put both arms around me while I walk. Walking in unison I try to squirm away but he is persistent and doesn’t let go. I am still keeping up with my outraged act. We get to Silom and I look at him and I ask him with a calm but firm voice why he broke his promise in ending his off at 1 AM. He tells me, in really broken and nervous English that the customer was wanting to stay longer, and he was trying to leave. I tell him that I didn’t care about the other customer. I was waiting for him and he should honor his promises. He kisses me in the lips, cheeks, nose, neck, right in front of the still healthy sized number of revelers walking on Silom. I was enjoying the attention from this hot piece, so I keep going with the act. He tells me that he wants to make me happy tonight. I tell him that I don’t think he will be able to since I am angry with him. I continue on Silom towards Soi Thaniya to get back to Soi Twilight, and MonBoy keeps his arms around me and my crossed arms, not letting go, and keeping up with my furious pace. He says sorry while we walk. I see gay boys walking by, staring at us, probably seeing something strange (an upset Asian with another Asian hugging him while walking). This is probably not the strangest thing they’ve seen on Silom. I didn’t care, I was enjoying this game I was playing. We get to Soi Thaniya and I get away from his death-gripped hug and start walking fast. He puts a hand on my shoulder to keep up with me and keep the contact alive. I take the hand and hold it. We stop in the middle of the Soi and I ask him: “Why you want me off you? You want have sex with customer angry you? No good for you!” He answers: “I OK you angry. I want go home with you. I make you happy OK?” I was persistent: “Sex no good angry OK. I want sleep alone. Why you want go with me angry?” Softly, but with determination, he says: “I like you. I want go home with you.” For the first time since saying goodbye to him 4 hours ago, I smiled at him. I couldn’t help it. The way he said “I like you,” kind of was endearing. I say, half-laughing: “Why you like me? Cannot like me only see me little bit.” He then says: “I like you because you clean and cute.” I laugh again. He was really trying to sell it. I guess being called clean by a boy is a compliment. I tell him that I don’t know if I wanted to take him home, but right now I was going to Soi Twilight to meet back up with my friends. MonBoy tells me he will go with me. We get out of Thaniya and cross Surawong. I let him guide me across, avoiding the taxis trying to get fares presumably from the boys streaming out of Twilight at this later hour. But we get there the Soi is almost empty like a ghost town. I guess it was the low season so things just close down earlier. Including Hot Male bar apparently. I see the staff closing down and installing the wooden shutters around the bar. I see Myanmar boy and he was surprised to see me for the second time tonight. He drops what he was doing to hug me. I ask him where my friend samebb was. He tells me he has left with the Lion, and told him to tell me if I went back to the to say they went home. I ask Myanmar boy if I needed to pay for my drink. He tells me samebb paid for it and to not worry. I fish out a 100 baht bill from my pocket to give him a tip for helping out today. He refuses and refuses. He doesn’t like getting tips from me. I shove it in his front pants pocket and tell him “For breakfast!” Myanmar boy frowns and makes a face but I didn’t care. He is a working boy and needs the money. Before we part I introduce MonBoy to Myanmar Boy. I tell them they were both Myanmar. They just nod at each other and not speak. I say goodbye to Myanmar boy and walk towards Surawong. MonBoy rushes to keep up with me. We cross the street again and I make my way to Rama IV to get back to hotel. “I go home with you OK?” he asks me, trying to make sure he still had a customer tonight. “You make me happy?” I ask him, stressing his debt to me. “Yes baby! I make you happy OK.” I take down my defenses. No sense in keeping up with the charade anymore. I tell him that yes, he will be coming home with me tonight. He smiles widely and hugs me tightly. And he does something that he did to me 4 hours ago: he puts his nose on my forehead and takes a big whiff. He likes smelling people? Or he likes smelling me? It was odd but endearing. I smile and I kiss him in the lips. He returns it with interest. He was trying to earn back whatever goodwill was lost earlier, and he was earning it back in no time at all. He still keeps the constant contact with me. He has his right arm wrapped around my shoulders. I can smell his perfume mixed with his own scent. It was what drew me to him, and here it is finally all mine. I didn’t even think about the other customer he was with just last hour. I just thought about him, being so close to me, as we get to Crowne Plaza. I’ve taken a lot of boys back to this hotel, going through that familiar walk on Surawong to Rama IV, but this was the first time I was bringing a boy this physically close to me, this openly affectionate with me, and this persistent to come home with me. He was still kissing me and hugging me when we got to Crowne Plaza. He didn’t care who saw this blatant display of affection. I get greeted again by the hotel staff with a familiarity I’ve grown to love. Two elevators later we were at the room. He surveys the room and goes to the window to look out at the view. He goes back to me to hug me. He smells me again and looks at me. “Thank you OK? I shower now?” I tell him before he showers I wanted to talk to him first on the couch, much like the Korean before. But unlike Korean he does something different. He takes off his shirt revealing his tan and fit torso. He takes off his pants to reveal very strong thighs and large calves. He was wearing loose fitting boxer briefs, which was less sexy than what I am used to seeing with these gogo boys. But I see the reason why he wears loose underwear. Peaking out at the bottom of his boxers briefs was his cock, soft but long enough to see at the bottom seam of the boxers. That was a monster. He definitely needs loose fitting briefs to accommodate that appendage. He adjusts his cock and puts it back into hiding. This was amazing already. He sits next to me on the couch. His body was more amazing up close. He sees me looking at him and poses. He adjusts his cock with his hand over his briefs and makes it big. Holy crap that’s huge. I touch it and confirm the size with my bare hand. I tell him its really big. I tell him I see why customers like him. And I tell him that even if I want to have sex with him, I would like to know him too, pointing to his brain and his heart. He nods and smells me again. Man, he does like to smell me. I ask him the basics. How old he was (he says 23). I ask were he is from (some mid-sized town in Mon State in Myanmar). I ask him how long he has been working in Jupiter (2 weeks). I ask what he was before he was a gogo boy (he was a farmer – lots of vegetable crops). I ask why he is a money boy (he needed money to finish his house, it takes too long to save money being a farmer). And I ask him if he likes being a money boy (he doesn’t but he has no choice). I feel his hands. They were rough and full of callouses, presumably from farming. I feel his back, it is strong and lean but super defined. I’ve never felt a more defined back on a boy before. He says he crouches down a lot when planting crops, mimicking the crouching motion. I ask him how much he needs to finish his house. He tells me he needs 50,000 baht more. He has had some money earned from Jupiter in the two weeks he has been there, but will need more. I tell him I was not giving him this much money. He says he understands. I ask him the big question: Why did he get another customer even if I already offed him for the night. He scrunches his face, confronted with an uncomfortable question. “You know I like you. I see you go with other boy. You off him. I sad. No sure I see you after. I like you. I jealous. I no sure I see you. Him sexy boy. I think you long time him. I cannot think you after. I look customer. Sorry OK? I want sleep with you tonight. No other customer.” Who knows if what he said was a load of shit or if he was genuine. Doubt is always inherent to these types of relationships. It is the cloud that is always present whenever you have any interaction with a money boy. And you always have the advantage, have the money, calls the shots, and make the decisions, so all the boy could do is use everything he had to make up for this disadvantage he was starting with: his body, his charm, and his ability to tell you what you want to hear, if it came to that. It is always hard to know if a working boy is genuine. I will always take what they tell me with a grain of salt. Seeing MonBoy say these things to me though, with some tears forming in his eyes, makes it hard to doubt him. But of course, I do. While we are talking he sneaks in a kiss here, a touch there. He has this physical presence that is unique to him that I have not seen in other boys. He is not imposing physically, but somehow he makes it seem that he has you surrounded, ever present, eyes always fixed on you. He always keeps contact, always doing something with you and on you, and never lets you forget he is there. He asks me if we needs to shower. He says he has showered earlier at the customer’s hotel room. I tell him I showered earlier with the Korean as well. And that’s all the information he needed. He stands up and takes off his underwear to reveal that legendary appendage. I can’t describe how much the sight of it made me feel. But I will try to put into words what I did with it, and MonBoy, next.1 point
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Day 1.6: Plays Well with Others There have been a lot of threads on this forum discussing about how to get two or more boys and how it can work out for all involved. Probably the best recent one is here. Lots of great advice there. I have tried a number of times in my life to have threesomes, at least once here in Thailand. I talked about that encounter here, taking on a Jomtien boy, who picked a boy in Toy Boys in Pattaya, and having me participate in a lovely Khmer sandwich. I was thinking that since I have (supposedly) only one night of freedom this trip, I wasn’t about to “settle” for just one hot boy. MonBoy sees me come and stands up to receive me. He takes a hand to my shoulder to guide me back to the seat. He speaks to the other two in Thai, and then points to the space in between Korean and NewBoy. I like MonBoy already, helping facilitate the whole scene, and helping me have a great night. I squeeze into these two muscular shirtless hunks in tight jeans. I smile at both. They both smile back. Korean struck first. He shook my hand (almost too chaste and business-like but whatever). He starts speaking to me in Thai. I correct him and say "English?" He apologizes. In English, he asks for my name and asks where I was from. His reaction to my answer and where I’m from is predictable: he found this information shocking (I look Asian but I'm American!). NewBoy to my right asks Korean something in Thai. Korean responds, and then MonBoy responds with something more lengthy in Thai to the two of them. Perhaps he is orienting the two on my wishes tonight. They both nod and then turn their gaze back to me. I knew that at least Korean has been working in Jupiter for 4 weeks, starting in Songkran, where me and Mark311088 were drooling over Korean, while we as asked him questions. I turn my attention to new boy. He tells me his name and how old he was (26). I ask him how long he has been working in Jupiter. He said he only started last night. I laughed. He was a baby gogo boy. I asked him if he had a customer last night. He said yes. I asked him if it was a good time. He thinks about it for a minute, perhaps trying to assess what was a good answer that I wanted to hear. I preempted him and told him that I thought that his first off last night wasn’t good. He smiled and said yes, it wasn’t good. We both laugh about it. I then ask NewBoy what he did before he went to Jupiter. He said he was a waiter. I had my automatic follow up question: I asked him if there was not enough money waiting tables. He told me yes and between that and having to support his family he had to do this to earn more money. I tell him that he was good-looking enough to make a lot of money. He smiled and thanked me for the compliment. I asked where he was from. He says Chiang Mai. Korean to my left interjects, and tells me he too hails from Chiang Mai. I ask both of them if they knew each other before this. They both said no, but Korean said that they both had a common friend in Chiang Mai. I found it interesting that they came from the same city. From the corner of my eye, I see another boy walking pass our bench who I recognized before. I made the connection. I wave the boy over, and the boy goes to our area. I tell the boy that I saw him last Songkran, and my friend offed him that night. “You from Chiang Mai?” The boys says yes, surprised that I knew. I whipped out my phone and scrolled through some pics till I found a selfie my friend took of him and the boy, that my friend sent me. The boy looks at the pic and laughs. “He you friend?” I tell him yes. “You very good boy. My friend happy you good boy.” The boys laughs at this. “Where your friend?” I tell him he was back at his home. I reach into my pocket and produce a 100 baht note and give it to the boy. He wais at me and received the tip. “For my friend.” He leaves us to go in the back. I remember that night, and it was briefly narrated here. It was the boy’s second night at Jupiter. So this was the third Chiang Mai boy has been a working logo boy only 4 weeks or less. This all made sense. Jupiter is known for hiring tall, fair-skinned handsome boys with matinee idol looks. Chiang Mai was of course the perfect location to find boys who fit this mold. These three boys certainly fit the bill. I then ask Korean and NewBoy if the boy was their common friend. They both nodded. Having built some kind of rapport with all three boys, I decide to ask the million dollar question. Would all three be amenable to go home with me tonight. I already explained this to MonBoy so I reach over to MonBoy and ask him to ask Korean and NewBoy about my plans. So MonBoy stands and heads over to the front of our table and talks to the two. All three where having some conversation about it. Maybe MonBoy was trying to figure out a way this would work. After a few more minutes, they may have reached a consensus, but it wasn’t in my favor. Korean spoke first. He said he had to go home at 12 midnight tonight, because he had a day job selling t-shirts at a shop in Ladprao. He had to be up at 6:00 AM to prepare for the job. Since MonBoy was not available till 12 midnight tonight because he was part of the show, it would be impossible for Korean to join us. Looks like my four-some was not going to happen after all, if I wanted MonBoy and Korean together. MonBoy has made his case unequivocally tonight, and I already paid his off fee, so he was going to be with me no matter what, as long it was after 12 midnight. Now I had my heart set on Korean since Songkran. I weighed my options tonight. It was now or never with Korean. I won’t have my chance with him till god knows when. So I make a decision. I ask Korean if he wanted to go with me now. He smiles and says yes, and then puts an arm around me. Ok then. I then look at NewBoy and ask if he wanted to join us. He looks at Korean and they stare at each other for a second, and then laugh. He turns to me and says “Cannot. He my friend.” Korean then pulls me closer to close the sale. I tell Korean to tell the mamasans that he was going to be offed now, so he leaves to get dressed. I give NewBoy 200 baht for his tip for sitting with me. I realized that no mamasan asked me to buy Korean and NewBoy a drink, so I thought that NewBoy would miss his drink cut that he would have had if I ordered him a drink. He wais in thanks and goes to the back of the bar. MonBoy, not privy to what just happened, was just sitting there at the far end of the bench. I tell him what just happened and I was waiting on Korean to get dressed. He seemed confused by the events and asks me if I was coming back for him at 12. I say yes. I will come back for him after I am done with Korean. One of the mamasans asks for the 400 baht for the off fee for Korean. I pay up. MonBoy slowly got up and asked if I still needed him while I was waiting on Korean. I asked him if he had to prepare for the show, and he said yes. I told him I’ll just be back at midnight to pick him up. He nods and then leaves to go to the back. I was alone for the first time since I met samebb and The Lion at 7:30 PM. It’s funny that you start out with a certain idea of how the night would happen, but it never ends up the way you want it to. While I did not get the four-some I thought I would have, I did get two out of the three boys I wanted. I was kind of relieved that MonBoy and Korean turned to be pretty affable and at least seem game to my requests. Maybe this was supposed to happen this way. I was now going to be able to get to know each both 1-on-1, instead of in the context of a crowded bed. The fuckfest has been turned into a pair of more intimate and personal encounters. A fuckfest, while super fun, may turn tooimpersonal if there is too many people. It was now 10:15 PM, and the club was now full of customers. I was dominating one of the seats that had prime view of the club. I wasn’t ready to relinquish it yet while I wait for Korean. One of the main “mamasans” (they really are captains, not mamasans) sits with me to ask about the boys. I tell him about all three who sat with me and told him that they were all great and courteous (and sexy and hot). He confirms with me that I offed Korean now and Monboy later. I tell him that that was the case. He tells me that they were good choices. He then sits closer, as if to tell me a secret. He tells me that the Korean had a long cock, motioning with both hands how long it was. And then tells me that MonBoy had thick monster of a cock, making a fist. I laugh and say that I made a good choice with my cocks. He asks me that when I come back, to tell him how Korean was. I promised him I will the spill the beans. He then sees Korean, now wearing a tight black t-shirt, walk towards us. The captain stands and then motions to Korean to sit with me. I stand up, telling the captain that we were leaving. Korean leads the way to the door and opens it for me. I am back on Soi 4, and I see samebb and The Lion, with another friend, at Balcony, eating some dinner. samebb was surprised I was done with Jupiter before the show started. He thought I was staying for the show. I told him the plans have changed. He looks at Korean and was puzzled. Where was MonBoy? I tell him MonBoy was for desert, and I was about to eat the main course now. samebb was probably thinking I was crazy. Offing two boys on the same night and not at the same time? But tonight, I was adamant, to have my cake and eat it too, simply because this was Bangkok, where the bakery was always open, and there are always so many cakes to be had. So my surprising night with the Korean, next.1 point