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Sunday Banana bar half filled for 9.30 show but by 10 almost full house. Show too long, mostly lip syncing divas, like Maria Callas for the poor but what do we know about what audience wants. One of them, lady of formidable size was harvesting tips right, left and center. Russian gymnast stole the show later screamingly applauded by quite numerous Asian girls. Few impressive cocks in big c***k show, one attached to boy smallest on them all. But show bit too long, depriving boys chance to show and market themselves. Mamasan Lucy changed her looks and looked bit less intimidating. Hope she feels OK as, was moving around bit slowly. Did not even give me a chance to tell her that I like girls. Perhaps she remembers ? Music way too loud. At 11.00 our deputation of two left for Moonlight. Past 11.00 show was half way through but we still catched the rest of it. Pretty full house with seats left here and there. Five models only Nut, Jar, Mean ( I start developing hots for him), Mark and York. Noticed few new floor boys including hunky # 45 so on departure performed 100 baht vinapu tuck on him and Yai I already know. After show singers started their part but we liked that boys formed still line on the scene giving them chance to market themselves instead of hiding in the corners. It worked because son after said Yai was, seen walking out with quite young Oriental, at least comparing to Troy or me. My companion snatched new cutie, I did not have any problem beating the work as as soon as I sat, A the muscle god pat me from behind and was immediately ordered to dress neatly as tonight it was his chance. By time Mamasan showed, I was already set. Less than minute after opening bar door. We watched rest of show and left ust past midnight. I was given ride home on Yamaha so obviously some guys, are doing quite OK.

You've helped Foodland out so much, they've built a flagship store nearby to handle the overflow 😉

Glad to know that my contributions to progress of humanity are not going unnoticed

Fortunately, the law often limits the fine print. The law has to limit underhanded insurance company schemes, otherwise each time we bought insurance, we'd have to hire a lawyer to go over the details and negotiate each contract. These policies generally run some 30 pages or so long and are written in legalese. Obviously, most people don't have the ability/means to go over everything each time they want to buy a travel policy. This is why we have laws--to limit sneaky insurance company tricks. Yes, insurance companies should be able to invalidate claims which result from the insureds' law violations, such as driving under the influence. However, one should not be able to invalidate a policy just because the insured had some drinks at his hotel. As others have mentioned, we lack enough details in this particular case to come to a judgment.

If Christian says it’s not expensive, then I believe it. Lol.

TAIWAN FAST TRACK IMMIGRATION For those who have visited Taiwan no less than 3 times during the last 12 months, there is a special one-year fast track certificate you can apply for from the Taiwan government. As with all fast track procedures, it makes Immigration a breeze. The certificate is available when clicking at the bottom of this link. It does not matter how many days you have stayed on each trip as it only asks for the dates on your arrival stamps. Nor does it matter if you used more than one passport. My passport changed in March. I had two visits in November and February and another in May. There is space on the form for both sets of information. When getting my new form this morning, I forgot about it being essentially for business purposes and just clicked sightseeing as the reason for visits. But it was still approved! The certificate is primarily for countries with visa-waivers for Taiwan. So there are special conditions for those from China, Hong Kong and Macao, as well as a few other countries. https://oa1.immigration.gov.tw/nia_freq After competion just click Apply. On the next page click Print which will send the completed certificate to your downloads box. It took less than 30 seconds to process sending it to my computer!

I would not base my choice of masseur on dick size they show, all exaggerated in my experience, and dick size not that important to me anyway. I had good, average and poor experiences at those places and for me worth a return.

I have just come back from my Taiwan trip, it was amazing. I don't really have the time to write a big trip report but here's some info for newbies (like myself). Grindr was quite easy to find guys on, but I didn't see any profiles offering massage or MB. I had the most luck picking up guys on the same night rather than trying to schedule ahead, 6-9pm there's lots of guys active every night. I didn't end up needing to try Blued or any other apps. Taipei Ximending area was full of attractive guys, it's a good area to stay. Soi13 sauna was very busy and worth going to on a Saturday night, easily 100 guys most aged 20-35, a lot are fairly shy but the dark rooms can be very intense. It was busy 6:30 until about 9:30 then it started to get quieter, i left so i'm not sure if it picks up again after guys have been out clubbing. Foreigners pay NTD800 entry. https://goo.gl/maps/pVhZfGqMkhNM11cz9 The day I planned to go to Emporor hotspring the plans didn't work out, so I still need to go back to experience that. http://www.emperorspa.com.tw/about.html https://goo.gl/maps/VYM47sdBspm1e6xXA I went to Mars sauna in Taichung, Mars was harder to find, mostly because i went in the wrong entrance and tried to use the service elevator instead of the staircase entrance in the next door building. there are stickers on both doors saying mars, but if you find yourself looking at elevators with no staircase to the right, go next door. NTD350 entry, the front desk will need to help you with the ticket machine if you don't read mandarin. https://goo.gl/maps/sYVDEcouGoGBHF5Q6 Mars had good facilities, hot and cold plunge pools, steam room (wasn't working when i was there), cabins, a dark room, cinema playing chinese movies, chill out area. I didn't pick the best nights to go Friday (before an event on Saturday) and on the Sunday. On Friday there were 35-40 guys, most in mid20s-30s. The guys at mars were less shy than the guys at Soi13 for me, I met a great guy and ended up going for drinks and back to my hotel with him. Sunday was rough, maybe 10 guys most >35. I was in Kaohsiung as well, but i didn't try the sauna there. I found Kaohsiung the most difficult to find guys, I had one catfish dud from Grindr and met one cute guy that said he works at a KTV in Taipei but translate wasn't doing the best with my questions so we didn't communicate much and just had fun. Kaohsiung is worth visiting but I didn't stay long. Overall the language barrier is manageable, in Taipei it's easier than Taichung and Kaohsiung but that's to be expected. The saunas don't need any language because people don't really talk except in the cabins or chill out areas, glances and hand touches were the signs of interest. Mars sell colored wrist bands to show your position which i liked, in Soi13 i just put keys on left wrist to show i'm top (idk if that's universal everywhere). Next time I plan to try the hotsprings and I want to figure out the KTVs because it seems like there are gay KTVs around but it might need more than google translate to find what i'm looking for there. People are friendly, food is great, the country is beautiful. I'll be back for sure. My next trip will be Bangkok or HK, so i doubt i'll be back for Taipei Pride but maybe next year.

From The Nation Residents of tourist city Pattaya in Chonburi province have urged police to investigate gangs of motorcycle riders in the sois off South Pattaya Road in Bang Lamung district whose behaviour at night has become a noisy nuisance. The gangs, mostly made up of Arabian tourists aged 17 to 25, have been racing bikes at high speed in Soi VC Residence Hotel and Soi Yensabai from around midnight onwards, a Pattaya resident told the Nation on Thursday. Some are using bikes with modified tailpipes to up the noise level, he said, adding that those who did not participate in the race also rode their bikes up and down the street in the pack, without observing the traffic laws. The resident said that this has been going on for about two months and that these tourists were mostly using rental bikes from local businesses. “We want police and related authorities to look into these gangs that have been causing such a nuisance and jeopardising the safety of other motorists in Pattaya,” he said. “We also ask that they check the local bike rental shops to make sure that they only provide street-legal vehicles to tourists.” Bike rental is a popular business in the eastern resort city as it offers affordable and fast transport for tourists wishing to visit local markets, attractions and beaches of Pattaya. Prices start from 150 baht per day. ================= The following excerpt from Barry Kenyon's recent column highlights the dilemma the Pattaya tourism industry is facing at the moment. The much-proclaimed Indian market in Pattaya has also ceased expansion and promises of mass flights from dozens of Indian cities to U-tapao haven’t been fulfilled. Meanwhile, Cambodia is preparing to open two international airports in the next 12 months which will be able to accommodate intercontinental wide-bodied jets for the first time. “There is growing competition from neighbors such as Cambodia and Vietnam, whilst Pattaya is struggling to repair its roads,” said a Thai tourism association spokesperson. He added that many business people were concerned that the potentially-violent controversies over the appointment of a new Thai prime minister could spill over into bad news for international tourism.

Hello, I just found and joint this nice forum. I am Indonesian, tanned, not really muscular but fit (regularly hit the gym), and in my early 30 (tho I tend to look younger 😅). As I will be in Bangkok in early August for two weeks, I would like to find my luck to meet White Guys there, hope this forum can be one of the medium. I am open for nsa, one night stand, even making friend is also welcome. Ping me if you are interested Cheers!

That is why I am hesitant to recommend Argentina for traveling right now. That said, I took only 1K with me and spent less than half of that. I am very low maintenance, plus on this trip, I did not buy sex or weed, which are the two heaviest items in my traveling budget (I am not including tickets and lodging).

From The Nation With the vacation season in full swing, people are searching for enticing travel destinations, accommodations, and flights. Kaspersky researchers have observed fraudsters taking advantage of unsuspecting users by offering cheap airline tickets, booking deals, and vacation packages. To help travellers avoid scams, the company's researchers have outlined common fraud schemes used to entice victims, along with valuable advice on planning a scam-free vacation. Ticket scams Kaspersky experts have discovered numerous fraudulent websites claiming to offer cheap airplane tickets. These well-crafted phishing pages often mimic well-known airline services and ticket aggregators. Some even display real flight details by sending search requests to legitimate aggregators and presenting the received information. However, instead of delivering the promised tickets, these scams aim to steal your money and exploit your personal information for malicious purposes. This may include selling your bank details and identifying information on the dark web. Accommodation scams The second important step of trip planning is finding accommodation, which makes it a popular lure for fraudsters to exploit. One common accommodation scam involves fake online listings for vacation rentals or apartments. Scammers create attractive listings on popular platforms, displaying appealing photos and offering low prices to entice travellers. However, once a booking is made and payment is sent, the accommodation turns out to be non-existent. Another type of accommodation scam targets hotel bookings. Fraudsters may set up fake websites that mimic legitimate hotel booking platforms. These websites often prompt users to log in using their Facebook or Google credentials, which enables scammers to gain unauthorized access to the victims' social media or email accounts. This can lead to identity theft, unauthorized transactions, and other malicious activities. Survey and giveaway scams Scammers create deceptive websites or send emails claiming that participants can earn a substantial reward, such as 100 US dollars, by completing a travel survey. These scams often prey on people's desire for financial gain and their willingness to share their opinions. However, these surveys are designed to collect personal information, such as name, address, phone number, and even financial details, under the guise of eligibility requirements or prize distribution. In reality, the promised reward is never delivered, and the information provided is used for fraudulent purposes, such as identity theft or unauthorized access to financial accounts. On top of this, the survey usually ends with a request to share the site with friends so that they can also receive a prize. In such cases, cybercriminals are using the victims themselves as a tool for spreading the scam further.

Agree with almost all of @hojacat's comments. I lived in Hong Kong for 20 years and worked there for an additional 16. So I do know it quite well. I love the mix of ancient colonial and modern architecture, although the main parts of the Island and Kowloon are now much more modern. There used to be a light show on the Island which you can see from the Kowloon side starting at 8:00 pm. Again that is something unique (photo without the light show!) Also I have been a frequent visitor to Taipei since the 1990s and continue to visit about 4 times a year. Perhaps because I knew Hong Kong so well and remember when it was not such a political football, I am gradually falling out of 'love' with it. I do return occasionally for business and love the place with almost as much fervour as I did when I first landed more than 4 decades ago. The views are incredible, the hustle and bustle unlike anywhere else, the food divine and its so easy to get around. The MRT gets you to most places (be careful: taxi fares are very high) and there are some fantastic places to visit. You have to go up to the Peak. Get the Peak tram to take you up - it leaves from Garden Road a short walk up from the imposing I M Pei's geometric Bank of China Building. https://www.thepeak.com.hk/en I love a simple tram journey either from Central eastwards or westwards. Fares are HK$3 (US$0.40) for as long a ride as you wish. It gives you a great idea of what old Hong Kong looked like. Same with the ferries. I used to love going to Lamma Island on a Sunday. There were ferries to Yeung Shue Wan which was close to a rather nice beach (now totally spoiled by a power station, alas), crash out for a few hours, walk over the hills to Sok Ku Wan and have dinner at the island's 'Hilton' - just an open air bar/restaurant but with fantastic seafood - and get the evening ferry back from there. As Hong Kong has gone downhill politically, so its gay scene is not what it once was (but then, where is?). Hutong is very much the sauna to go to and there are quite a few others of varying sizes and varying clientele. During the week, I'd suggest Hutong as your best bet. Not sure how old you are, but there is a tiny sauna named CE half way up Lyndehurst Terrace on the island and very close to the very long central escalator which takes you almost half way up to the Peak. I have not been for some years and so cannot vouch for its present state. It used to be a place for younger Asians to hook up with older westerners. But its not a patch on Hutong. The bar scene is also no longer what it used to be, alas. This ste lists some of them - https://thehkhub.com/best-gay-bars-hong-kong/ I've been to Zoo, Petticoat Lane and FLM in Sheung Wan close to Central District. None seems very busy during the week but packed at weekends. I also like to meet friends at T:ME bar off Hollywood Road but it's a small bar off the main street and not the greatest place to meet new friends to hook up. Taipei is also quite spread out. With its mutitude of cafes, restaurants and a few bars, the main Red House in the Ximending District is a great place for people watching although hook ups are not very likely here unless your gaydar is working overtime. @hojacat has mentioned Soi13in as the best sauna and I certainly agree. I wrote in another thread recently about the new incarnation of Hans Mens Sauna which is very close to the Red House (around 300 meters). There are lots of private rooms, dark room areas and 2 steam rooms where a lot of action takes place. Maybe worth a visit. Directions are on the post here. One of my passions in Taipei is quite simple - visiting a hot spring. Huang Tzu is the one to go to as most of the guys who seem to be there are gay. But do not expect much action as it a place to see and be seen rather than play around - although I believe there is some action in teh steam room after midnight. Good for making contacts, though. The one problem with Huang Tzu is that while it is easy to get there - take the Red subway line to Shipai station and then a taxi from there (around NT$160 now - just over US$5) - getting a taxi back is really difficult and without one, you are stuck with a long steep uphill trek to the main road to get a bus back down to the station. But then all the buses seem to stop around 11:15 pm or so and that would enable you to get the last subway train back to the centre of teh city. The apps are more active than I have found in Hong Kong. And it is unlikely you are going to find more than a handful of money boys on them if that is what you look for. Most Taiwanese just want to meet a foreigner and have good time with them - no money involved. Just remember that English is not as popular as in Hong Kong and so speaking a little more slowly will always help. For sigheeing, it depends very much on what you would like to do. There are countless Chinese temples, some very beautiful and many packed with younger people. The National Palace Museum is a must if you happen to like Chinese arts and crafts. When the Japanese started their march down eastern China prior to World War 2, the Chiang Kai Shek government crated many of the country's national treasures to keep them safe. Then after Chiang was beaten by Mao, he stole many of the crates and had them removed to Taiwan. The works on exhibit are a mere fraction of those in its possession but they include some stunning pieces, especially in bronze and jade. The little white and green jade piece on the cover of the Museum's catalogue is one of the Museums' most admired works. If you look closely you can see two tiny insects crawling over the green. And then of course there is Taipei 101, for a few years the world's tallest building. It used to be packed with Chinese tourists, but should now be much easier to get to the observation decks because very few Chinese are permitted to go to Taiwan. On a clear day you can see way beyond the city to the sea in the west and the mountains both around and to the south. In hot weater there s a gay beach west of Tamshui at the end of the Red Line. I did try to find it once but got lost. My friends tell me it is actually quite easy to find and there are usually a lot of gay guys there at the week ends. Outside the city there are several attractions including quite lovely walks. One trip perhaps worth considering is to the Shifen Falls. You need 2 trains to get there and then there is a good 800 meter walk. They are not especially large, but certainly with a visit and very popular. As you walk back you will see students lighting Chinese lanterns on the train tracks at the station and the floating them into the air. Lastly I totally agree that Hong Kong is more expensive than Taipei. Much depends on how much you are prepared to spend on hotels. If you check on the hotel search engines like agoda, you'll see Hong Kong does have cheap hotels but with very small rooms.

Not as per my observation but yes, that Banana guy is impressive

I think you meant Shingrix prevents shingles. I don’t recall having chicken pox when younger, but I believe all the oral sex I’ve had here in Thailand I may have caught the virus that way. kokopelll3 , maybe you should update with the Gardasil 9 vaccine, better than the original vaccine.

Where in Indonesia, I'll be in Bali in Sept.....

Now we know Alcaraz won a fantastic match. Amazing for a 20 year old against arguably the greatest tennis player of all time! So now he has another £2.3 million in winnings less a large chunk in tax and in payments to his manager, coach and all others in his team. That makes his total tournament earnings as a professional up to more than US$20 million. But it is the winning clauses in his sponsorship and endorsement contracts that will bring him even more than the Wimbledon prize money. Plus the list of hopeful sponsors lining up outside his manager's door will become very long. A lucky hugely talented young man.

Toward enlightening masses as where to find Apollo spa at Bearing station

Saturday, Hot Male beer bar quite empty at 9 but hen started filling. Few new waiters, some really meaning business. Then our delegation numbering two braved stairs to upstairs gogo. At 9.30 almost empty several boys on stage, some quite attractive. Closer to the show spectators start crowding in. So early bird gets the worm as my companion did. I had somebody else in mind, so asked to call him over. Soon enough he showed up and our quarted left mid show, each duo their own way.

It is an improvement, but still nothing like it was before the insane vote to leave the European Union. The day before that stupid vote I got 56 Baht to the pound, and the day after the rate fell to 36 Baht to the pound. That has really hurt my income for these years.

But who are the experts? The health insurance industry doesn’t want to cover the whole population. Only younger people who are sexually active. Their attitude is if you’re married you should not be having sex with others, so it’s not needed. I think politics playing a role. I trust the gay doctor who told me all his cohorts have gotten the vaccine, regardless of their age. What if it works the same way as shingles works? I already had the shingles virus but after getting the Shingrix vaccine it’s rare I get an outbreak. I would hate to develop head or neck cancer and wonder if the vaccine might have prevented it. Even if it’s just a small chance .

Quality isn't a high criteria for some guys... as long as it's a bargain.

The devil is in the details. The small print. There are many possible / legitimate exclusions that most of us may think unfair.

In general I believe what does not kill you makes you stronger. exercising your immune system is good for you. By my age I have been repeatedly exposed. the chance of a new exposure that causes an issue is very low. the healthcare system does not recommend the vaccine for me. I will go with the recommendations of the experts.

Promises and perils of crowdfunding hospital bills From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon For the 67 injured Brits who have appealed for cash to pay hospital bills in Thailand since the beginning of 2023, charity giving is both the first stop and a last resort. The British government and insurance companies will instantly recommend the route to distraught families, but the relatives in question can’t find mega-cash anywhere else in any case. Commercial funding platforms such as the highly popular GoFundMe handle most of the campaigns. A review of the ads suggests that the average amount requested was around 25,000 GBP, with about 40 percent of the cash actually donated by the time the ad was cancelled or, more commonly, simply fell into disuse. In almost every surveyed case, the reason for crowdfunding was an untimely accident such as a road accident (often involving a motorbike) or a fall from the condominium apartment. The handful of exceptions related to being beaten up on the street or being knifed in a quarrel with Thai nationals. The general assumption seems to be that provided prior travel insurance is taken out, the insured person is guaranteed free medical treatment abroad. But travel insurers look much more carefully at expensive hospital operations than claims for lost luggage or leaving your camera on a bus. In less than 10 percent of the cases did relatives explain publicly why insurers had refused to fund, but insurance assessor Duncan Webb told Pattaya Mail that the main reasons were suspicion of alcohol or narcotics abuse (including marijuana recently declassified in Thailand), not having a valid international or Thai driving licence and not wearing a crash helmet or seat belt. That failure means the patient was not observing due care and attention. According to several surveys, only about half of British tourists abroad carry any form of medical insurance. The Thai authorities did have a limited policy of covid-related cover being required during the pandemic, but this was abolished in 2022. Now only a very few Thai visas carry the requirement and they are all for non-tourist categories such as work permit holders or some long term residence foreigners registered with the Board of Investment. Uninsured foreigners are expected to pay for all inpatient and outpatient care. Inability to do so can result in treatment plan cancellation. Our survey of the 67 publicized cases revealed that over half never revealed what actually happened to the injured Brit, or are still pending. In four cases, we know that death intervened. A few others said that family members had managed to negotiate a financial agreement with the hospital, whilst still others said recovery had been good enough to secure a ticket on a commercial flight. We did not find any examples of an air ambulance being hired, the typical Thai-UK cost being 75,000 GBP or more. Charity crowdfunding is obviously here to stay although it very rarely indeed achieves the anticipated cash sums. The available evidence suggests that the more successful cash campaigns tell a complete story, provide updates with frequent photos or short videos and share the experience on social media. Fundraising events in UK to supplement the crowdfunding cash are also desirable. The average age of the 67 Brits reviewed in this case study was only 36 years and most were injured at night. So it’s hard to escape the conclusion that booze and driving are obvious routes to ending up on a hospital stretcher.

Glad to hear good report about this place. I believe it was Vinapu who supplied instructions for locating shop (I described locations of some Saphan Kwai shops) when he was on his way to ride new Yellow line monorail.

Looks bigger but somehow it can't compare to Foodland Patpong's vibes. I always get a kick out of spotting guys with their customers through the window when I walk past. Hehe

1. not in my experience 2. not in my experience 3. cock sizes exaggerated, no problem for me 4a. indeed, in my experience massage skill from poor to okay 4b. indeed, no issue at all for me 5. indeed, no problem because I speak Thai 6. not at all in my opinion. 400 for 1 hour oil massage and 800 minimum tip (I haven't taken anyone quoting a higher minimum tip) = 1200, an amount I can write off a research expenses. Chances for a good encounter are similar here and in gogo bars or expensive massage places, but there the expense is much higher.

There isn't a difference. This is Thailand. 2000 baht today, or a motorbike and a house a year later.

It's ABSOLUTELY InShot_20230714_150459359.mp4 true that, "it pays to be nice!" So this morning. I had to cancel an upcoming trip to SDQ. I had missed the deadline to cancel by 4 days and was hit with a $165 loss. I didn't bother to reach out to the owner of the property because he's always VERY ACCOMMODATING with us when we book with him so I didn't want to bother him and ask for a refund because of my canceling. He and I have become very close over the years and a few years ago I would send him a whatsapp message and book directly through him to save money by not having to pay the additional fees when I book through the rental site. This was before I realized I was doing myself a disservice and was losing money because the more I spend on my spirit credit card, the more points I get and that keeps me at my spirit GOLD STATUS and also substantially lowers the cost of our flights. The spirit rewards program is AMAZING, MY FELLOW SLUTS. ww don't fly to sdq every 6 weeks because we're rich. We're able to go every 6 weeks because of the points we accumulate on that credit card. Long story short. When I looked at my email a short while ago, I see that he, the apartment owner, sent me back the $165 and left a sweet little note in The comment section. The $165 was actually his to keep and u hadn't called or texted to ask if he would send it back. Which was totally unexpected. I'm the type of whore who always send the owners holiday greeting texts, send random texts to see how their families are and also send birthday texts if I know that information. That ISH goes a long way with ANYONE, especially property owners and restaurant employees and owners. We go to eat at our favorite restaurant in zona colonial and they treat us like royalty. I even advertise their business and properties for free on my social media accounts. Moral of the story: BE NICE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON!

So, I visited there this week. A few things. Don't use Grab. It takes you to the wrong side of the road. If you use the BTS, like Reader said, it is right at Exit 3 and easy to find. The staff had straight customers getting massages downstairs in chairs and it was a bit weird for me as I said, "I have a booking" and they all knew that that was. The guy I book was a great massage. The room was clean and 650 baht with 1500 minimum to the boy. I did not book the VIP room as it was not available but the regular room was fine (except hearing the people next to me). The room was cool and nicely lit and comfortable. It was a bit small but that was OK, the massage guy made it work. All in all a good experience. Thumbs up for Apollo.

It's very simple to distinguish between them if the boy asks for money he is MB and if he doesn't he's not. Lol.

Twink: https://twitter.com/Thisis_Yoshi/

That little pickup wouldn't stand a chance... if it were a Ford F-350 on the other hand.......😉

BTW: this was at least 8 Vietnam boys I met. @paulsf are you hearing this? I think they are calling your name... can you hear it softly... paul..paul...paul....

you should say Tuvalu , Nauru or Belize. I always do when find such question too nosy

Back to fill in the blank game again, and I'm first........ he was straight as a circle.

I can't agree less. I grew up in building where local hero was cheap prostitute who pulled neighbour's children from the apartment fire. It was funny and at the same time moving when she was walking drunk and pillars of community like doctors, lawyers and professors (I'm coming from egalitarian place as you know ) were taking their hats, making her place on the sidewalk and saying ' good morning Mrs. Mop". People may be low class because their behavior but not because work they do, language they speak and education they completed.

Thank you. Unlike yourself, many members here speak no Thai. I hope our Thai friends don’t consider us low class because of it.

The last year has flown by with no time to put pen to paper, but also less inclination as Bangkok Guy and I have begun to fit into a routine in each other’s lives. Business brings me to the region more frequently and Bangkok Guy now joins me for the weekend wherever I am. We have also enjoyed a couple of longer trips to Thai islands and to Japan. Tokyo, it turns out, is not just shopping, although he did a lot of that, finding great deals on clothing. Bangkok Guy has wanted to live in Japan since he was a child. It has both natural beauty and Tokyo. It is clean, it is efficient, he likes the food and the people are polite. The hotel staff bowed to him which made a big impression. It ticks all his boxes. He had a blast. We will return. However, this note is not a travelog. Rather, it is an observation on some of the realities, particularly the financial realities, of a relationship begun in a bar. The short term reality is that, for very logical reasons, a relationship is a lot more expensive than bar hopping. Like every other bar guy Bangkok Guy worked in a bar to meet financial needs. As he straightforwardly puts it ‘I am poor person’. Over the years I have known him I have come to understand how difficult it is for him to maintain a steady income, let alone to grow his income. He is economical and careful with money, including my money. I visited his apartment, a studio in a well kept building in a less convenient location distant from public transport. Clean, tidy, crammed in an orderly manner with his market stock. Microwave, hot plate, modest sized TV, shrine. Nothing expensive or flashy. When I first agreed to give him an allowance we made a spreadsheet of all his expenses and his income. He was at best breaking even and, given down time for bad weather, more likely net negative. Initially the allowance covered half his expenses. During covid the unstable nature of his income became very obvious, so I increased the allowance to cover all his expenses. However, given the Thai family structure, his responsibilities extend beyond just looking after himself. Since his father left he is responsible for his mother and younger sister, particularly his sister. This puts huge pressure on him, which he does not like to bring to me but he has no other solution. So I have agreed to cover some of these family responsibilities. I have seen enough documentation that I am pretty sure that the money goes where I think it goes. Also, after six years, I trust Bangkok Guy. An allowance which was originally a little more than I would spend in the bars during a couple of trips each year is now about three to four times that amount. Not an amount that will cripple me, but now enough to notice. Despite the greater expense, I get more out of spending the money this way. Helping Bangkok Guy makes me happy. The long term financial reality is the same as that for any relationship where the financial gap between the partners is large. To retire and maintain my lifestyle with Bangkok Guy will be more expensive than doing it solo. For starters I intend to travel a lot and I will need the resources to cover travel for two. More enjoyable, but more expensive. Bangkok Guy and my goal is to be living together in three years’ time. I need those three years to improve my finances so that I can have my cake and eat it too. To be with Bangkok Guy with no diminution of lifestyle. It’s good for me. I now have a lot of motivation as I head down the final stretch.

What? nation which elected Trump as president doesn't have sense of humour? Gimme a break !

I prefer it, especially if some of you came to visit me 😝

Final reflections Best thing about that trip was that it was entirely unplanned and unexpected. Last time I had such fast decision trip to Thailand was back in 2013 , also in May. I found it very energizing waking up in the morning to find out by midnight than in 2 days I’m flying to other end of world. That’s advantage of being retired as such feast would be hardly doable in normal 9-5 working conditions. Because luggage was free I was hauling more goodies than usually when I travel just with carry on and found it bit tiring considering my habit of changing hotels every 2-3 nights. Perhaps time to try more permanent arrangement next time like changing place only once per trip. I’m happy I decided to return to butterflying giving every bar a chance. I’m still warming toward Jupiter and after two visit this trip I’m more than half way there. It used to be bar I did not like at all so it’s great improvement. Line up on my 1st visit this trip was truly impressive, as I mentioned I like 100 % of what was on offer. My disappointment was unspoken so far in report. Last trip I spotted some hunk in Thai Relax massage in soi 6 on my last day and he was not available. I hoped to see him this trip but he went home for good according to other boys from that venue. ST from Tawan was great find of this trip shining both with personality and body. He probably realized that and was bit costly but I liked him very much thank you and only can hope he will be there next time. Along with Y from Moonlight and S from HotMale, all offed twice they were my trip heroes. Masseur N who extracted 5 sessions from me had best chance to be super star but spoiled it a bit by not reading me properly – I don’t like irrelevant or nosy messages like ‘how are you ?’ or “what you are doing now ?” he was bombarding me on Line even if I know there were well meaning and supposed to show he cares. It’s funny situation as I like guy a lot and his massage was by far the best I had in a few trips and in the room he performed as I liked plus plus, I still had moments I was mad at him. And this is actually not funny. Overall Line is great tool to hook up and communicate with guys but sometimes I wonder if it’s really worth of trouble to give boys my Line because of such case of abuse so to speak. On another hand it was life saver when due to holiday bars were closed but I managed to utilize my contacts and pull it as best day of the whole trip. Tawan with Banana in second place continue to be most friendly bars as far as I see even if Tawan boys are trying to abuse my wallet but at least they do it good natured way and understand word NO without any grimaces . As for massage Jey Spa continues to be my post Covid massage central and both guys I had there were gold standard how session and masseur should look like . Not for first time I noticed that with price service standard goes up which theoretically it’s how it’s supposed to be but we all know it’s far from reality. I was concerned I’m losing thing for Thai boys with few voluntary empty nights which almost never happened before, but now , with cold head I see that perhaps it’s bit of natural. After overheating cool down time should come. If I don’t feel like having companion why should I torment myself with looking for one ? Two boys pissed me off , one by not showing and another one by asking for dink and leaving me promptly which was more painful due to fact we had common history with either one. My revenge was simply to skip off this trip and tell them why. At least one confirmed that he got the message. Prices are going up. I’m not taking vacations to save money as staying home does better job but had few sticker shocks – 1000 off fee at BoyzBoyZBoyz, 900 massage fee at Tawan, 6000 long time request from Tawan Boy( declined). I think time will come when some haggling will be in order. I praise myself for idea of breaking my trip by going to Kuala Lumpur and I’m eternally grateful to my local friend there for being my guide and companion. Finally heartfelt thank you to reader, Anddy, Jason 1975 and ChristianPFC for all those meals and bar visits together. Due to family and my personal issues timing of my next trip is unknown but working on it. Brutal truth is , whatever plans I may make they may be ruined at the short notice. Ever optimist I hope for at least one more this year or early next one.

Welcome to the forum. You worry too much and read too much into what is said here. How one can pass by boy bar without being inclined to go in is beyond me , I thought only aspiring lesbians would pass such an opportunity. First, while some mamasans are pushy by far pushy ones are not majority and even those pushy are not going to wrestle or rape you. Tell them you are watching, you wait for friend who is supposed to join you or do what I do with stony face, tell them "I like girls ", nobody will believe you but they should get a message which is subtle ' fuck off" signal. When you will be there you may want to signalize it here on the forum , they may be members who will do community service and gladly accompany you on your virgin visit(s). I wish I'd be in such a position, sigh. at 4 or 5 in the evening bars are still closed with exception of Hot male Beer bar w visiting which is not a bad idea for people in your position as boys there are very friendly and THERE'S NO MAMASAN. bars are usually opening between 8-9 and rarely are in full swing before 9.30. Actually i think for shy types it's not such great idea to come early as you may be accosted more often for lack of other victims while at show time bar is usually full and mamasans are busy dispensing drinks etc. I found Thais pretty straightforward and those working in bars hear it all many times but good form would be to offer drink, be it bar boy , waiter or mamasan if you have hots for them . Most of staff will be on offer although waiters and mamasans most likely only after bar will close . While sitting with you just ask they if they go with you 'are you going with me?" , if they say yes ask them about what is important to you , top, bottom , kiss etc. Don't try to be too sophisticated because English is their 2nd or perhaps 4th language so your question should be straightforward. Kissing question is somewhat important as some boys do everything but won't kiss for some reason so you don't want to for force yourself on them. I ask kissing question after agreement to go is made so they know it's not condition for an off. If you have boy sitting with you and you decide not to off him for whatever reason make sure : 1/ not to keep him too long as he may lose other opportunities 2/ tip him for his time 100-200 depending of length of time. Make sure you let us know about you impressions after you finally arrive

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Thank you, truth to be told I, m bit worried as it seems that days when restaurant there was full are gone, now whenever I pass and I do often there plenty seats available. No idea whom to blame

I had a very bad experience at 15M last night. It started well as the booking rocess via line was quick and easy. I wanted a guy called Guitar but he was not available so I chose a guy called Mai ( straight/ S56 ). I arrived on time at 9:30 and the guys at reception were nice and friendly enough..the place looks clean too but that's the only positive things about this place. So I was introduced to this guy called Mai, who took me to a room. He looks different from the picture .. less good looking and not as fit. I was already disappointed but I thought I'd give him a chance . The room was small with a mattress in the floor. The shower room is separate so I went out to shower . When I got back to the room it was 9:40 et the guy started the so-called massage. He was the worse massage guy I had ever experienced in Thailand. No skills whatsoever. After 10 minutes of dry "massage" et started to put some oil. After 2 minutes he was already touching and teasing my private part.. I was not aroused at all so he kept now and then touching my private part to see if I'd get hard... But I didn't .. there was not chemistry and nothing erotic or sensual in his massage. 20 minutes into the "massage" he asked me to turn around face up... I was a bit surprised... But I turned around. Straight away he was massaging my 🍆. But I was not impressed so I couldn't get a hard on. I touched his dick ( I hadn't seen/ touched it until then) and was disappointed to see that it was not big as I expected ( he is supposed to be a S56). He also had a big lump on his dick which kind of put me off a bit. Fully hard his dick was about 5" .. 😞. He asked me ( in signs..as his English was poor) if I wanted to be a bttm. I felt I couldn't say no so I went for it without any excitement. I knew I had to pay him anyway so I thought I might as well get something out if it. The sex was very bad .. he only pretended to make big grunts. He even pretended that he was gonna come after 5 minutes so I also pretended to come . So after 30 minutes it was done. Crap map massage, crap sex. After showering, I got back to the room to give him the money . His minimum tip was 800 for 1 hour. I still have him 1000 despite the bad experience. Guess what ? ..he wanted more ! I felt a bit intimidated so I grabbed another 100 baht and gave it to him . I quickly walked off down the stairs . I could hear him talking and laughing with some other staff . I felt humiliated. I messaged them on line id to complain about my experience but they just said that they will talk to their staff. I will never go back to 15M . I wouldn't recommend Mai. Avoid him at all cost . 15M should train their staff properly.