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Day 17 , continued About 1 hr later ST Lined me he is about to arrive so I went down to the street level to see him arriving in style on motorsai smiling broadly. We decided to eat something , across the soi from hotel is small Thai eatery serving simple but tasty and cheap dishes so we feasted there for 160 for two oft drinks included. Then to the room where I made sure I was compensated for empty night and what is even more important ST made it even more sure I was happy. At one point when I complemented his built with sinister motive to allow me to take picture ( no I will not post it here nor will send it by PM ) of his well attended to body he said something I never heard before from guy “ I take care about my body so you can enjoy it” , wow ! I enjoyed it indeed, more than expected . It was really great 3 hours. It did not come cheap but it was worth every penny I gave him and what I spent on him bit later. His shoes were quite worn off. Not sure it was staged or really he did not have anything better but when he noticed I noticed their shabby state he asked if I can buy him new pair. What a smart guy ! But as my godmother used to say “it’s better to lose something with smart than find something with stupid”. So plot or not , I agreed although placed silent limit of 2000 on such largesse. We went to Silom Center as I told him my time is limited and in Central there were sport shoes on sale. After trying few pairs he settled on some Adidases for 2160, I told him I can give only 2000 , he agreed to fork out that 160 extra which of course I reimbursed him back as we were leaving mall. So I spend quite a bit on two session with ST but on this trip I had few excellent encounters and both with him were ones I suspect I will remember well still in few years. Happy but still smarting after that failed night I had one more shining star in mind. But first things first, I returned to the room and packed as much as I could before returning to boy hunting. Since today is Thursday , schnitzel special at G’Bangkok it’s where I went. Lined reader about my plans and he joined me on that Thailand’s last supper. Both Banana’s barkers welcomed me enthusiastically as always so I practiced my vinapu tuck on them shamelessly in front of their bar, told them I’m leaving tonight and one who I have some hots for whispered me something which makes me wanting to return to Thailand before end of this century or even this year , if only to check if it’s true. Then reader went his way and I marched to Hot Male hoping S will be there. He heard my voice talking to P the host and appeared in bar’s door .Action was fast, let’s go. I told him, 2 hrs only so no dinner but bough him something to eat at 7/11 and he made sure my last session of this sudden , unexpected and unplanned trip was as great as all our previous meetings. 2000 baht later he left , I finished packing , freshen up for long trip home only to see it time to go because both shaving cream and tooth paste jut run out. At 11.30 I was on the street and taxi just showed up around the corner. 500 no meter he said. No , meter is 300 so I give you 400 said I . No, 450 said he. No 400 I insisted , Ok, ok said him and in few seconds I was on my way. At the Swampy I gave him that 450, still happy with such fruitful day. All went smooth and at 2.30 we rolled out of gate as scheduled I was wailing over wasted last night but I wondered if it was actually good idea to have good night sleep before such long trek. I almost never sleep on the plane but this time I did, at least 4 continuous hours out of 7 to Doha and probably it would be longer if they did not wake me up for breakfast which I did not want to eat anyways. Three hours there was enough to survey airport which I liked a lot , specially that park in the middle of terminal. On second leg I also slept few hours so when finally after 30 hours and 55 minutes from closing door at hotel I opened my own, I was surprisingly fresh. Enough that I made post-trip laundry before retiring to own bed. Summary tomorrow and then I shut up9 points
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Day 17 , last To add insult to injury , not only I slept alone but it served me well as I waked up just before 9am and went for my last breakfast at Unesco only at 10 am , again missing in early bird discount. I have whole day at my disposal leaving only late at night / early in the morning depending on your religion. I did not waste time wanting to make up for wasted night and asked ST over Line to come to my room at 3 pm. I had impression that he jumped from joy as positive answer was immediate with tons of emoticons. Securing my entertainment for later I could proceed to realize tourist program – survey of recently opened monorail between Samrong BTS and HuaMak ARL. At 11 am on the dot I boarded train at Chong Nonsi and about 40 minutes later alighted at Bearing station to check Apollo massage site. I took exit 3 , went down by the stairs and as soon as I hit sidewalk I saw it, it’s about 6 meters from I was standing at bottom of stairs. Sign OPEN was lit but I did not had time to do more in depth survey so went back to travel to next station Samrong. Finding monorail station was easy – it just there with short covered walkway connecting the two. Ride was free in trial period but it was conducted by way of dispensing free tickets. That way they could test how gates work as well. Train runs every 10 mins so we did not wait too long for one to appear. I secured position at front allowing good view of the line and all 13 stations. Nice views of Bangkok skyline, from few angles Mahanakhon was looking as quite short building and only distinctive architecture allowed to identify it. No tourist attraction on the way so it’s more of commuter value but now with extension to Lat Prao opened after I left Thailand already we have easy access to massages in soi 101. It took 31 minutes exactly to arrive at Hua Mak station. From there it was quite a walk to identically named ARL station, no covered walkway but I made it. From there train to Phaya Thai, BTS to Chong Nonsi and at 1.40, 2 hours 40 minutes later I was back when I started. ( to be continued ) Monorail station as seen from Samrong BTS train arriving at staion inside view from front or car almost Roman aqueduct train in Hua Mak station6 points
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I went to dream boys last night and drinks price is horrendous
gytis123 and 3 others reacted to gayinpattaya for a topic
Vote with your feet. If you don't want to pay it, don't go. There are cheaper places to have fun if that's what you are looking for. I wouldn't pay it, and I certainly wouldn't suffer the screeches of females in the audience. No thank you. Get the bus to Pattaya (143 TBH) and go to Nice Boys or something. You will have more fun there.4 points -
27M Massage
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I went to 27M Massage today. I booked a "twin" massage for 700 baht. I looked on Line and chose 2 guys from there. I wanted to watch them massage each other. At first, there was a misunderstanding, one of the guys thought I wanted the other to fuck him, and he refused. He went and got the manager, who speaks English, and the manager came and I re-explained. That time, it seemed to be understood. The manager left and the first guy, let's call him G, laid down and the other guy, let's call him K, started massaging G. They seemed to know each other. G laughed a lot and seemed to find it awkward. I could tell K was teasing him. After a while, I asked them to show me their cocks. They did, although when I asked them to jerk each other off, they refused. Eventually, I started sucking K, he seemed more comfortable with the situation. G was still laying on the mat, he took out his phone to watch some porn and was jerking off. I was sitting on a couch, sucking K, and I called over G and started sucking him as well, I had one dick in my mouth and the other in my hand. After a few minutes, I asked both of them to sit on the couch and I continued to suck them and jerk them off. K also got his phone out for porn. K came, G did not. We cleaned up and I tipped them 1000, 200 more than their published tip. It was a good experience, both guys were very fit and tattooed, which is exactly what I like. I will probably go back, there was a third guy I had my eye on, I might see about sucking all three at once. The room was fine, it was dark and had some boxes stacked and two mattresses on the floor. There was an attached shower that both guys used before we started and I used afterwards to clean up. The room wasn't super nice, but it did its job. The couch was lumpy. K did not seem to know anything about massage haha, I did get a good *real* massage at HealthLand, which I recommend. Overall, I had fun, so I will probably do it again.4 points -
Thanks for the great reporting, shared meals and friendship. And for not picking same guy I wanted at Banana bar. 🙂4 points
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Congratulations on your first venue report. You provided helpful details of experience while respecting identities of masseurs whose company you enjoyed. Hope rest of your trip goes well!3 points
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And title would be "Twinks of Tawan"3 points
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The 13
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From The Nation A ceremony was held in front of the Tham Luang cave in Chiang Rai province on Saturday to mark the fifth anniversary of the global mission to save young footballers and their coach who were stranded in a flooded cave. Photos of ex-Thai Navy Seal diver Saman Kunan, who died during the mission, ex-Chiang Rai governor Narongsak Osatanakorn, who died on Wednesday, and Wild Boars football team member Duangphet Promthep, who died earlier this year in England, were set up in the area to commemorate their passing. The ceremony was presided over by Mae Sai district chief Narongpol Kid-arn and included the offering of alms to 39 monks and a religious ceremony to pay respects to sacred things in the cave and pray for the prosperity of all those who were involved in the brave rescue mission. The members of the Wild Boars football team, as well as relatives, were present at the ceremony. Ceremony at Tham Luang marks 5th anniversary Ceremony at Tham Luang marks 5th anniversary3 points -
I went to dream boys last night and drinks price is horrendous
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500 baht for a bottle of beer 3500 for a bottle of red label For real?2 points -
Police, military prepare for mass protests if Pita’s bid to be PM is thwarted
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From The Nation The armed forces and the Royal Thai Police are discussing security measures to implement if turmoil and violence erupts should Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat fail to be elected prime minister in the middle of next month, military and police sources said. They said the armed forces and police fear that supporters of Move Forward and its major coalition party, Pheu Thai, may stage violent protests if the Move Forward-led coalition of 313 MPs fails to win support from 63 senators or MPs from other parties to elect Pita as the next prime minister of Thailand. The coalition needs 63 more votes from either senators or MPs, or a combination of both, when the House and Senate convene for a joint session to elect Thailand’s 30th prime minister. Pita will need a majority of the votes from 750 MPs and senators to be elected prime minister. The joint session will likely convene July 13, Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam. told a June 20 meeting of the caretaker Cabinet. The 500 newly-elected MPs will be sworn in at a state ceremony on July 3, according to a royal decree. The 500 newly-elected MPs will be sworn in at a state ceremony on July 3, according to a royal decree. House of Representatives secretary-general Pornpit Phetcharoen said on Saturday that after the July 3 ceremony was held on July 3, the House may convene its first meeting on July 4 so that MPs can elect the House speaker and two deputy speakers. Pornpit said most political parties had agreed to convene the House meeting at 9.30am on July 4 to elect the House speaker, but two or three political parties had yet to confirm the time and date. After the House speaker is elected, a joint session of the two chambers must be held within 10 days to elect the prime minister. Pita’s supporters are still keeping their fingers crossed for support from senators. Several senators have vowed not to vote for Pita as the next prime minister, saying his party is opposed to Article 112 (the lese majeste law).2 points -
If the senators prevent Khun Pita from becoming PM, I will be one of those on the streets! I know I am not Thai and I had no vote. But I will be there to support my Thai friends.2 points
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I agree about the drinks prices: horrendous and ludicrous. Best to stay away!2 points
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Hasty reward - trip to Thailand and Malaysia in May of 2023
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I am sure many of us want to know what he whispered to you!2 points -
fake underwear brands
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Probably the place I always go to with the best selection.....all my guys in Mexico and Brasil love the underwear from there, generally buy 3 dozen pieces, but I have a local boy negotiate the price for that quantity, he gets a better price than I would 😉2 points -
they do, Asian XXL corresponds to western L and works. I stocked up last trip and I'm glad I did . At least one stand offers 11 pcs for 1000 baht2 points
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fake underwear brands
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Those are all Asian sizes.2 points -
From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon Thai labour authorities have amended the MOU (memoranda of understanding) with the Myanmar and Cambodian governments to reduce the shortage of workers in various Thai industries. The economic migrants, mostly on two or four year contracts, are found principally in the tourist trade as hotel staff, labourers on building sites or highways, the fishing industry manning trawlers and factory food processing. Because of Covid, which saw many workers return to their country during the pandemic, their work permits expired or about to expire. Under the former regulations, there was a compulsory waiting period of 30 days before they were allowed to reapply. Another issue is that the transitional government of general Prayut Chan-o-cha made a hurried Cabinet decision to extend the expired permits to July 31 2023, with the proviso that the new incoming administration would have to sort out the issues. However, the latest agreements permit quick online registration for workers who are currently in Thailand and those who wish to return to work from Myanmar or Cambodia. If migrants work illegally, they risk deportation as well as loss of benefits such as automatic enrolment in the Thai health system. The Cambodian and Myanmar authorities have separately asked the Thai Department of Labour to reduce the visa fee from 2,000 baht to 500 baht, but that will require Cabinet approval once one is formed. Chonburi province in particular has hundreds of vacancies for workers from neighboring countries, especially hotel and restaurant staff (Pattaya), factory workers (Chonburi city) and trawler assistants (Sattahip and beyond). The problem is common to many countries with falling birth rates. The German coalition government is introducing a points system for foreign skilled, literate workers to make it easier for companies to recruit abroad. South Korea, which has the lowest birth rate in the world, regularly recruits Thai factory workers including those entering on a tourist visa which is technically out of order.2 points
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I wanted to sleep alone, my surprise is that I did . Fortunately I came to my senses next day and made up for my negligence. Report to come soon as I have busy weekend.2 points
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No, PrEP arrived much later. It was the hugely effective campaigns originated by Meechai and the government education programmes they inspired that helped reduce HIV rates. Since 2006 anti-retrovirals have been included in the national health scheme for Thais which effectively made them free. The same was true with PrEP which is distributed through Community based Organisations (CBOs) led and staffed by LGBTQ individuals. It was felt that gay men would be more comfortable interecting with similarly inclined individuals. But no sooner had international organisations started praising Thailand, the government changed tack. As reported in The Bangkok Post in February this year, the budget for CBO's was cut by 50% as it believed many of its patients could and should pay for their own medications. As a result, the Service Workers In Group Foundation (SWING) founded in 2004 is having to close such community clinics, including one on Silom. The second blow is that the Ministry of Health decided in December last year that communiy-based organisations were not professional enough. The result is that these organisations which had previously distributed 70% of the PrEP given out in Thailand are now forbidden to do so unless they have a direct link to a public hospital. The same edict applies to HIV medication. This move was immediately condemned by SWING and the Rainbow Sky Association of Thailand. It has also been pointed out that the government never fulfilled its claim to provide 50% of the CBOs funding. International organisations made up the balance. Now doctors in hospitals will have to prescribe PrEP, alhough the cost to individual Thais is likely to be little changed. But many younger Thais, especially young men, do not want to be seen going to a hospital for HIV medication in any form. The result of this and other government moves is that Thailand is no longer the leader it once was in HIV prevention and treatment. India and The Philippines have recently made greater strides through commnity-based organisations. As the Post article written by Stephen Mills, PhD, a Bangkok-based epidemiologist and the Regional Director for the USAID-supported EpiC project at FHI 360, also known as Family Health International, a US-based health and development organisation, points out - "the real losers here will be those Thais - often poor and stigmatised sex workers, gay men, and transgender women - who will have doors closed on them when they try to seek friendly and qualified HIV services. Thailand's quick pace to reach the end of its HIV epidemic has now slowed to a crawl and may soon go in reverse." https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2511266/thai-hiv-response-faces-setback It's hard to find up-to-date statistics on the rate of msm who have already been infected with HIV in Bangkok and Thailand. But statistics from recent years do not make for pleasant reading. The US National Library of Medicine published a paper in January 2022. I quote - ". . . integrated behavioral and biological surveillance (IBBS) among men who have sex with men (MSM) in Bangkok in 2003 found an HIV prevalence of 17.3%, further increasing to over 30% by 2005 and 2007. In biennial follow-up conducted through 2014, HIV prevalence among MSM continued to fluctuate around 25% to 30%, indicating ongoing HIV transmission at the population level. This high and increasing HIV prevalence was later confirmed from several other sources, notably the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic (TRCAC), where 29.1% of 3485 MSM attending HIV testing and counseling (HTC) services from 2006 to 2009 were HIV-infected." Even more worryingly - "Receptive anal intercourse, lack of condom use, high levels of sexual partner turnover, drug use during sex, and finding casual partners via the internet have all been found to be associated with higher HIV prevalence and incidence among Bangkok MSM. In addition, fewer than half of MSM reported to have ever been HIV tested, and even fewer said to have actual knowledge of their current HIV status," There used to be an AVERT site with much more up-to-date statistics but I can no longer find it. Bit I do know that it confirmed by 2018/9 around 30% of msm in Bangkok are HIV positive. Lastly, a 2017 Thailand AIDS Response Progress Report "Thailand Ending Aids" has worring statistics about those in the 15-24 age group. It highights errors in young people's sex education programmes and the increase in the number of STD's detected - a 79% increase in gonorrhoea in 10 years and a 102% increase in syphllis, https://dearstraightpeople.com/2019/11/30/prep-guide-bangkok/#:~:text=Cost%3A The test%2C medical consultation,PrEP starts at 4%2C500THB. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8782340/ https://hivhub.ddc.moph.go.th/Download/Report/APR/2017/GARP2017 eng Final.pdf I suspect it is certain that some in high risk groups and the better educated have no problem getting their free PrEP from hospitals and hopefully this is pushing down the msm HIV rates. The worrying factor for me are the edge of town saunas where bareback sex appears to be the norm and far from all the participants will be on PrEP.2 points
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Hotmale beer bar
zoomomancs and one other reacted to Londoner for a topic
Those of us who were visiting during the early 2000s when certain activities in Sunee were being publicised in the UK press, became a little touchy over the use of the word "boy". And not just us....Boyz Boyz Boyz changed its spelling, just as Boyztown itself did. I think Michael Burchill touched on this in his history of Boyztown. I may be wrong about this but the use of the word "boyz" to describe gay young men also became widespread, at least in the gay press. It is true that Thais themselves still use the word "boy" in a commercial sex context but I wouldn't in my interactions with straight society. Not that there are many of those nowadays!2 points -
Hasty reward - trip to Thailand and Malaysia in May of 2023
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Alone in bed on the last night ?. That’s been my experience at the end of my trips since Covid. Thoughts of the long 24 hour journey back home and potential problems when I get there, crowd out those of boys and sex. It wasn’t like that years ago when I would occasionally be saying goodbye to a “boyfriend” I had acquired on one of the longer stays or more likely having a good final night with a hottie or maybe two.2 points -
Day 16 When we checked time in the morning it was already 9.30 am . Since I expected Christian PFC with taxi at 11 am I told N we are skipping breakfast, tipped him for his troubles , we freshened up showering together , he left and I start packing. Good thing those fruits I bought yesterday by TukCom, they made for very healthy and tasty breakfast. Another advantage of Classrooms is that some items they charge for like toiletries including condoms and lube, minibar items like beer or cola carry little mark up so if your guest will drink beer or water it will not ruin you . I had about 160 invoice for those I settled when leaving as both gentlemen were on the dot. We arrived in BKK very fast , at 1 pm I was already on reception at Furama Sathorn , another of my few favorite digs. This time I was not upgraded (last 2 times I was without even asking) but room was big and comfortable enough with kitchenette but no couch. Not having breakfast I was bit hungry so went to Charoen Krung soi 49 to have their pizza for the last time this trip. From there by bus to Silom and straight to soi 6 to have massage with N. It’s against advices saying massage first , food after but today it worked well. Great boy and great massage , if only he wouldn’t be so prolific sending Line messages with speed of machine gun. He had small complain saying I promised him 5 nights and we had only 3 so far which came out of blue. While I don’t mind 5 nights I wouldn’t make such specific promise so nice try I thought. At 9 pm we arranged small gathering of forum members present in Bangkok - reader , anddy , Jason 1975 and me had dinner at G’Bangkok together and lively conversation subject of which you can easily guess. As I said before I have hots for one of Banana barkers across and today it was sign that he started noticing it. Longest trip starts from the first step. Bit too late as tonight is my last night this trip and for some reason , never shy , somehow I’m shy approaching him. Even I laugh at myself thinking about that. I think it’s because I like him more for personality than physical attributes so it’s like bit different kind of attractiveness. Or may be because I saw him with girl few times and I’m afraid of failure. Anyways we had a bit of remote fun across the soi. Jason suggested we will help him to finish bottle he had opened in Jupiter another day so we decided to go there, only reader had another plans and it was our trio which went there. We watched all three boy parades, first in briefs , second in boxers and last one in jeans but with numbers , invited few boys to seat with us. If was funny to see contrast, when they do their walkabout their faces are frozen and disinterested but as soon as they seat with us , all were friendly, behaving normally and somewhat clingy. One I invited even asked me to help him with drinks as Jason organized some card game with losers required to drink half shot. He seemed even interested but for some reason I was not in the offing mood there. Anddy was even bit surprised I’m so reluctant but somehow I was. Left empty handed , I went to Hot Male but at that time their selection was very limited and none of guys appealed to me so I circled area once or twice, looked again at Banana barker busy inviting passerby’s to his bar and decided to call night off. Lonely , alone and just me . Not for lack of choices as I’m sure I could get somebody at Tawan or Moonlight or line one of few I have contact with but somewhat I did not feel tonight like I want to . Honestly. Am I turning lesbian? Or straight ? Ot bored with all that debaucheries? Or saturated with fun I had so far ? May be I’m coming there too often ? Or January Cambodian fiasco still subconsciously lingers somewhere in my head and heart and from time to time emerges ? Or am I losing it? Or perhaps getting bored and impatient with some of boys antics, chiefly nagging me ‘when I see you again ? ’ ‘can we have massage today ?’ No idea but those were questions going through my head when walking alone via completely darkened soi 5 , one where market is in day time and which comes across from Furama at other end. So it’s day 16 and night 16 but 5 of them in cold bed. Never before. I used to have empty night once per 5 trips but is it true such world came to an end? Ok I made it sounding bit dramatic for better reading and perhaps even discussion but cold fact is : on my last night on the trip I’m sleeping alone and truth to be said I’m not really making much of it. It is what it is . And I slept well2 points
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Day 15 It was cloudy this morning. For breakfast I went to Kiss on 2nd road. As soon as I sat down, deluge started. It did not last long, long enough for me to finish breakfast and it stopped when I was paying the check. Then had stroll along Beach Rd people watching , another lazy day After bit of active night at noonish I felt sleepy so returned to the room and collapsed on the bed for few hours waking at 3 and feeling hungry. I made trek to Salt And Pepper behind the TukCom and had their chicken with cashew nuts, one of the best in industry. Returning to hotel I stock up on dragon fruit and passion fruit , I love both , specially that dragon fruit was of red color , somewhat rarity in Thailand where white is more available. I lined N, masseur from Jomtien that I’m taking him tonight and to stay tuned around 10 pm. Agreed immediately which did not come as surprise as we have some chemistry . After dark I made another trek to Jomtien Complex , in @home bar I spotted another boy, twinky but otherwise very attractive so made sure he seats with me . Cambodian with good English so bit of conversation and indecent touches although I told him outright I have boy for tonight to which he counteroffered ‘ what about threesome?”. I warmed to idea and promised to ask N. After good hour I lined N I’m coming , tipped my boy well for his efforts and told him to stay tuned for next 10 minutes in case N agrees. He was waiting on the street in front of his shop , told me he paid off fee already but dismissed suggestion of threesome saying he is shy. Too bad but I’m not one to force one guy on another. Songtaew was just handily passing by so we jumped and in few minutes we were already dining in metal tables on Second Rd. I was surprised how slow it was . in the past at that time like 10.30 pm it was packed to the rafts, now only 3 tables including ours were occupied including one by two Orientals who looked and behaved like couple and very, very attractive couple at that, 5000 LT each quality. Admiration earned me gentle kick from N under the table. Perhaps I was too blunt. I had very tasty thick soup but it was kind of hot and it cost me heartburn at night of quite unpleasant kind, no other sensations though. I never been big on spicy food. Bill came quite substantial for just 2 dishes , perhaps secret of sparse crowd lies there. Chinese , Indians and Russians, majority of visitors now may not be such free spenders like Western farangs. I wanted to see show at ABomb, offered N choice of not attending if he doesn’t want to as Classrooms is just above that bar but he tagged along. Only 4 spectators which was shame as show was quite good and boys handsome. No special show but big cock show yes, oddly out of 6 participants only 3 went to allow inspection. Of course all three got my tips plus as always one most attractive boy from rotation and one show boy who clearly came only for the show and was leaving right away but not fast enough so I could stop him and forced vinapu tuck on him as well. If I stay longer he would be object of my advances tomorrow, that sure thing. Best legs I saw in quite a while and few inches below the navel not exactly flat either. General impression from the visit was that ABomb is underrated. I liked their boys selection better than Xboys and if you remove those I offed in the past , also better than BBB. Out of 5 boys on the stage 4 were offing material for me. But not tonight since I had my boy and knew already he is threesome averse. We climbed stairs and in room exercises were kind of very hot reunion. Known quality has own advantages, that was proven tonight. And if there’s chemistry , no wonder AC must be turned on full blast. A bit of unpleasant sensation from that hot soup cured with drinking cold tea I made in the evening before we started demolishing bed.2 points
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15M Massage Saphan Kwai
Blackbeluga and one other reacted to fedssocr for a topic
this was essentially my experience at 15M as well. I wrote about it a couple of months ago. So I think one does not go there for a good massage. They do have quite a stable of guys. If I was just looking to fool around I think I would go back. There are a couple of newer guys in their listings who piqued my interest. This guy would be my next choice I think:2 points -
They work for different studios. Actually, some of the agencies discussed here are owned and run by individual studios and some of their stars are working for the agencies. However, most of these stars do not do penetration. If you look at dgdgdg, you can see porn stars in the sort menu http://lang.dgdgdg.com/top.php Degustation in Osaka are all pornstars https://www.degustation-osaka.com/ but only one do penetration. and here is the link to http://www.coat-embrace.com/ in Tokyo which is a sister shop of Degustation and is owned by Coat. I have never tried any of them but they just came across during my research.1 point
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not that you have much snow in Pattaya1 point
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I went to dream boys last night and drinks price is horrendous
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I miss Soi Twilight. For me, it was the heart of Bangkok's nightlife. When it closed, Bangkok was really ruined for me. I don't dislike Bangkok, I just prefer living in Pattaya, specifically Jomtien. The major problems for me in Bangkok is the pollution, the never ending traffic and the heat.1 point -
You are not paying for drink it's for entrance and the show, if you want cheap beer you can buy it at 7/11.1 point
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27M Massage
vinapu reacted to jacksonSmith3002 for a topic
Thanks! If I get up to anything else interesting, I will let y'all know!1 point -
Strippers in Sao Paulo
floridarob reacted to Latbear4blk for a topic
Muscular, older, and terrible dancers. 😇 I enjoy drag queens in Brazil. Not the strippers.1 point -
Thanks God for that I was really terrified that you're becoming a lesbian .lol.1 point
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fake underwear brands
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Last time I looked they were available at the top end of Silom in the evening and in the Patpong sois. Have fun!1 point -
...and people still have fucks in the corners1 point
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Hasty reward - trip to Thailand and Malaysia in May of 2023
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I have never understood how Abomb has survived all these years. I know it changed owners right after Covid, so perhaps there has been frequent changes of owners, each bearing several years of losses before giving up. This bar has had its ups and downs, but I have had great offs from there, so I always make a point of checking it out each time I am in Pattaya - which isnt often nowadays, unfortunately. As for negative reviews, there are negative reviews of every bar, and I suspect a lot of that comes from the type of boy a bar has. Those who like fem twinks will be completely disappointed by Abomb. Those who like the bigger guys will be writing negative reviews of bars with fem twinks. And thus, the world goes around.1 point -
Hasty reward - trip to Thailand and Malaysia in May of 2023
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Even when u slept alone at night, u already had some fun during the day, which for most of us, its either or situation lol. If i had full service massage during the day, i want to sleep alone that night lol1 point -
where ? In Thailand or where I live ?1 point
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New airline says it’s building a superjumbo-only fleet
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2025 will see Qantas operate the world's longest non-stop flights - Sydney to London and Sydney to New York. The longer London flight will have a time of 20 hours on an Airbus A350-1000. The aircraft will have six first class seats in a 1-1-1 configuration, 52 business class in 1-2-1, 40 Premium Economy in 2-4-2 and 140 economy in 3-3-3. New seats have been designed for the economy cabin with one inch longer leg room to give 33 inches. Economy will also have "wellness zones" with stretch bars for exercise. https://www.9news.com.au/national/qantas-reveals-economy-seats-for-19hour-nycsydney-ultra-longhaul-flights/e973d9d3-a0a7-4689-b795-b12e82a1d6171 point -
On the other hand, isn't Thailand one of the easiest place in Asia to get Prep for free or by paying very little thanks through some sort of royal-family supported schema? most of the guys I meet in Thailand make use of it and say they get it for free. That's in contrast to even much richer places in Asia like Singapore and HK when guys complain that getting Prep is quite expensive and most who use it buy it online, usually from Thailand. Wonder if that has helped push down HIV infection rates in Thailand, which once were one of the highest in Asia?!1 point
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You could have gotten a guy thru Grnder to go to your hotel room to watch movie and eat chocolate and ice cream!1 point
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Hasty reward - trip to Thailand and Malaysia in May of 2023
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My favorite restaurant in Pattaya It's been good and bad over the years, 20 yrs ago it was the bar that I did the most off's from....my last trip it was good.1 point -
usually I go by length of time they sat with me and if there were any sinister moves on my part although I never do that in bar unless encouraged by my companion they do , I think they told me 50 baht. They got 200 each because they sat with me at least 1 hour, they were nice boys , allowed me to scratch them here and there and it was very slow evening in the bar. No to mention I was in good mood1 point
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Day 14 At 8am HC left , collecting his tip without any grimace so I’m not even sure he was happy or disappointed, not really losing sleep over it. I went for breakfast to Das Berliner, short hop on baht bus from there to Pattaya Night Market which only start coming to life but I bought multipocketed shirt I usually wear when travel as one never runs out need for those. Then parked myself in internet café in soi post office as I had some things to do on computer and find it easier to do it on PC than smartphone or tablet, then , when walking to hotel, Wit from Paradise massage stopped me so it went without saying we have massage session , 1.50 hr , great as always. .He is pressing me for long time , no doubt out of love. After massage I invited him for dinner at Bayview restaurant on Beach Rd where we usually go. Then I went to Tukcom to add some time to my SIM card as it’s expiring tomorrow and being there walked through Sunee Plaza , abandoned to her fate , noticing new shiny laundry on the corner leading to it. Finally some bright spot there. Next step as it was darkening already was Jomtien complex where I parked myself at @home bar , winged with two resident guys of theirs. I treated them with drink and on departure with 200 tip each for their time and decided to return to Boyztown. Jomtien Complex seemed quite slow tonight with sprinkling of patrons here and there. So far quite “ nothing happened day “ but it was nice not to be pressed to do anything with anybody, of course massage with Wit excepted. I arrived just before 11 pm so in time for XBoys show so I went in. Very progressive show with not one but two “special” segments , it was fun to watch Chinese spectators awed at what they saw. I was happy to see A in one number. He is veteran there , tall for a Thai and quite well endowed. For me his personal attraction is that he reminds me somebody from my youth. But somehow he did not notice me and after show disappeared so I left empty handed. Not to give up easily I made big circle of Boyztown sois and in 15-20 minutes I was back in front of XBoys. A was sitting at front of bar eating something. This time he recognized me immediately , rushed to greet me which I used to ask romantic question” you sleep with me tonight ?” which was agreed to immediately. I like fast negotiations. I paid off fee, let him finish his meal and we walked over to Classrooms to complete our deal. He is quite conversationalist as well , told me about his family and work and all in all we had great time. Longer it lasted , grater it seemed. Notwithstanding his physical attributes mentioned earlier he is simply very decent guy and to spice it, knowing well why he was invited. One of those offs which will stay in memory and I still remember our first , pre-covid meeting. So while days in Pattaya tend to be boring , both nights so far turned excellent. Knowing who I will be hosting tomorrow I can already say that all nights in Pattaya this trip were outstanding .1 point
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Plans for Business
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I am planning to start my business in Thailand hopefully by December. This will ofcourse be a gay bar but I am planning to get Models from different nationality such as Morroco, South Korea, Japan, Philippines and Africa. Also on tge second floor, im planning to have a good rooms for those who want to do ST. Do you think this will be a good idea? Im also open for partnership but lets talk personally on Bangkok. I already talk to one Thailand nationality so this busoness will surely happens. Just plotting everything we need.1 point -
Day 11 I must be turning lesbian, men loving lesbian but still lesbian because I start liking my boy less nights. Slept very well till 8 and did not rush for breakfast, only to run in panic as they close at 10 and I made it at 9.55. Still managed to feed myself well. Then went to top floor to marvel at Bangkok from moving platform. Nice breeze there. While Mahanakhon is more exciting due to glass, for view I think I like Bayioke better as it’s more central. After that I’m taking it easy because today it’s my birthday so I made myself busy thanking all well wishers on Line, e-mail and What’s Up. I quite liked that lazy , no pressure day. But at 2 I decided not to waste day completely and went to Saphan Kwai with intention to make survey of massage shops there. By the station there are at least 3 : G’Beat, KMan and 15M but my survey today was along Suthisan Rd. Coming from BTS there is One Spa across gas station and on the same side of street 27 M. On opposite side there are BT HOUSE, KK SPA and Home Spa. Home Spa is just before highway crosses street if you are taking bus. So I stopped at Home , 1hr 500 baht min tip 1000, only two boys available immediately so I opted for one I recognized face from their Line feed. Fees are less than half of one needs to pay at Jey. But twink lover would do better than me who is rather into hunks. Boy was working hard but there was no spark from my side for that reason so I was glad when 1 hr was over and likely so was boy although we had some fun but it was more routine. I think it was my fault so don’t get me wrong. Being there I decided to try one more, stopped at BT house but they were all boked with no room available according to guy on reception, He gave me aprox. waiting time of ½ hr. so I decided to go somewhere else and stopped at One. Again only two boys available , both hunks . One of them volunteered to explain process in quite good English so I opted for him. That was good idea. Good massage, my type of guy and quite a conversationalist, at around 40 min. he expressed wish to marry me and go with me to my country. That was fast! But before we settled on pre-nuptials 1 hr passed and session was over but fun it was. Cost and tip the same like at Home but I gave him 200 extra for lawyer drawing those pre-nuptials. I enjoyed it there. Upon return to hotel Guardian Angel steered me to alight at Phaya Thai and take 1 stop of ARL from there. It’s short walk to hotel from the station but I found the gem on main street, just past railway crossing. Ordinary Thai restaurant , with half tables in the open and half behind the door. I opted for that section because AC and ordered my customary chicken with cashews. Probably second best I had with only Oasis on Suriwong when they were there doing it even better. Old truth that restaurant ambiance has nothing to do with quality of food it serves was mightily confirmed. Quite an unexpected treat for my birthday. I went to hotel to freshen up and pick up some money deciding today Tawan will be my bar of choice. Hunks and most friendly bar, what else I may want. Taxi handily unloaded somebody in front of hotel and agreed to take me to Silom, it was about 80 baht, the same I paid for motorsai yesterday. Alighting I got message from anddy that he is dining at Gbangkok so went there to shake hands – I was full after that fabulous chicken but anddy generously offered me birthday drink so I stopped there for longer chat with him and restaurant owner. Then I went to Tawan as always greeted enthusiastically. Good hour before show bar was already filed . I was not only farang . in pure view I had had another one sitting with one of their boys and both were quite progressive in their behavior. Unfortunately later on farang left leaving some tip in guys’ hands so no off. Not being just anybody there had benefits as quite fast they organized some table space so I had no less than 4 guys sitting with me including one veteran, surprisingly clingy today, Mas my favorite twink there and new acquisition ST, very handsome, also not exactly teenager, with butt of gold. He told me he is there only few weeks and his brother used to work there. Turned out I know that brother very well in his days and even nominated him to be best boy of my Dec 2015 trip. Getting his Line proved great acquisition. One guy was missing from the crowd, multiple offed K , all because of fairness. Right in the beginning I told him I’m offing him tonight as my birthday boy so I thought fair that other boys will get their drinks and tips. I was in the mood so not only my companions and all 3 performers but also ‘special ‘ show participants and j/o show competitors got theirs not to mention 1 or 2 for newly acquired twinks. Spending like drunken sailor at least I remained sober , chiefly because of pleasure of caressing gently and secretly that butt of gold. After show I jumped on K’s new shiny motorcycle , no doubt fruit of all those ‘ no customers tonight’ nights and we went to Happy Beer Garden where his cousin is waitressing while being only person in whole world allowed to call me ‘ my daddy”. At least return to hotel was free and we could start celebrating birthday in style, K and I. Only disappointment this year was that hotel did not present me birthday cake like they did last year. I wonder if that was change of policy or result of opting for cheaper room where such treats don’t apply1 point
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Day 10 Y wanted to go home so I went or rather should say flew on cloud 7 to World Famous for a breakfast. What I was thinking I don’t know or rather know, how great last night was , at least to me. Then went to ATM to withdrew some money and returned to hotel with a loot. By the way, machine refused to spit out 25000 , message came that maximum number of banknotes to be withdrawn is 25. So I assumed ATM run out of 1000 notes, as it refused 24000 either. I settled on 20000 and indeed in the pack there were few 500”s In hotel I wanted to do some calculations , reached for the phone and it was not there. Since I did not use it in the bank it must be Foodland so I kind of sprinted there. I, opposite to almost everybody else, can travel without the phone although those days it almost become impossible , I don’t bank on it but losing contacts, specially Line ones would be nasty. So I hoped it will be there. On approach I already knew it is as one of waitresses seeing me motioned . They made me sign in some notebook I received it . I left 200 tip and started to celebrate reunion. It pays to be known there and seat usually at the same table so they must have notice right away. Today I’m changing hotels and moving to Bayioke Sky. Every trip I like to treat myself with something bit better for 2-3 nights just to know how better half is spending their vacations. I get there in Bangkok style i.e. by tuk-tuk, chiefly because this time I’m travelling with bit bigger luggage for simply reason- it was included in price so I thought, why not ? Most weight were 6 books I took with me hoping to read them but it turned out I managed to finish only 3. Biggest suitcase allowed me to stock up on coffee and certain soaps I always buy in Thailand. Thing I like about Bayioke is that view is guaranteed as lowest floor is 19th and guests have free access to viewing platform on the top. Hotel is not teenager exactly and is bit worn off but rooms are big and bathroom was for sure at least of the same size like my whole room in Ibis Styles where I stay in Feb. so no claustrophobic feeling at all. Room was not ready , their check in and check out hours are bit different , check-out by 11, check in from 2, typical for hotels with plenty of organized tours. So I left luggage , Lined Jey Spa if they can bring Maii2 for 2.30. As always response was almost immediate. I still had some time so wandered through the area which is not exactly shiny in comparison to Silom or Sukhumvit but certainly lively and safe. Then had nice walk to Nana Station , from there BTS to Phrom Phong and walk to soi 43 to arrive just on time as receptionist told me my boy just arrived too. We met twice in Jan and he remembered me greeting me with prolonged hug. After great night, great day too. Very enjoyable session . Did not come cheap, 1250 for VIP room for 1.50hr, minimum tip 1800 but I upped to 2200 just to let Maii know I was happy. Jey Spa continues to shine, first Noom , now Maii certainly worth the time to get there and expense. As a bonus Maii dropped me at BTS station but because it was rush hour I made sure I behaved as passenger without any questionable moves. In hotel room was waiting for me , this time on 58 floor only , probably 10 floors down compare to last year at the same time and it was normal window, not panoramic glass but that’s the price for picking up cheaper option. In the evening dinner with anddy in G’Bangkok . Motorsai for 80 baht . At restaurant I utilized their Tursday schnitzel special again. Hugs with both barkers at Banana, I have hots for one of them , I think I mentioned it already, but I’m too shy to approach him for more than hug and vinapu tuck . Slowly, slowly but surely, there’s still future. Then we decided to check on HotMale but after 11 a lots of guys were already taken including all I’d consider. This deflated me a bit and after making rounds through the area I decided to return home empty handed to my eternal shame. Me sleeping alone in Thailand ? Shot me on the spot ! Not that I did not have option as masseur N is bombarding me with questions when we meet again and I don’t think he is helping his case. Sweet boy but not feeling me way Y, S or both Jay Spa masseurs do. Last message rung at 2 am so I advised him to go to bed and applied that advice to myself as well for few moments regretting my phone this morning was not lost for good.1 point
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Day 9 N sleeps in his shop. Because of that, 3 days a week he is cleaning it before opening and after closing which I consider very fair. That was reason he could come only at 1 but I did not mind, we still had good , largely sleepless night. Left at 6 to take care about the shop so I returned to warmed bed to get some sleep. At 9 marched to Foodland, heart bleeding becauseby 5 minutes I missed time when breakfast is whopping 10 baht cheaper, then to XOne to exchange money and to Silom market in soi 10 to buy charger as I left mine in hotel in Kuala Lumpur, one of senior moments I guess because I’m not exactly known for leaving my stuff behind. Silom market as market go is very modest affair but yet in my every hour of need , be it charger , coat hangers, baseball hat, undies, t-shirt , pen , day pack , you name it ,I go there and find what I need , usually for very little. I spotted one of Jupiter mamasans manning one of the stands. In hotel no water again but power was so I made a coffee and then took BTS to Madrid for lunch with Christian PFC. Always interesting chat over tasty pizza, we have our ritual and share whatever we ordered half / half with each other. We walked back , I was mindful that I have to meet P from Hot Male at 3 to check stamp collection so made sure I’m there , in still empty soi on time. No sight of him , nor even answer to my Lines so at 3.30 I left empty handed. Reader reported that he will be drinking coffee at Coffee Grinder at 5 if I want to join so I used that occasion to complain, his answer was very reasonable P obviously is not in a need of money. Good for P thought I. Just before 5 I got message from him “ sorry I slept in”. Too late obviously as I had other designs this afternoon. Reader and I exchanged news while tasting their coffee and first and foremost admiring their cheerful and handsome staff. I even get bonus when boys were readying to leave at they close at 6 one of them changed shirt to reveal torso worth 2750 baht short time in process. This trip I decided firmly to return to old butterflying days, did not work exactly as intended with few repats anyways but at least I tried and liked it. Today I scheduled last bar I did not visit yet- Dreamboys so around 9 went there. Several boys on the stage already , among them Fai, very good masseur I know from Arena so called him for drink, shortly his brother Dit arrived to wing me from other side. But I was in no mood to hire from there. What I saw was discouraging. Out of 3 rotation about 12 each so total 30-40 guys I’d remotely consider 3 and only # 11 looked truly attractive earning red not as I departed. A lot of veterans of soi Twilight which says something. Ggobkk who visited few day earlier had exactly the same impression but on another hand Jason 1975 who went there few days after me completely disagreed. So either I had bad luck or he had good one or there’s fundamental difference in taste. As I said somewhere else and tend to repeat constantly - go and check for yourself , my throwaway may be your treasure and other way around. Tipped both brothers 200 for their time and old times sake and decided to have another try at Moonlight I visited last week. With all bars covered time for 2nd round. I was hoping to see Y , who impressed me on my last night in Feb and yes , he was on the stage. No time was wasted to bring him over for a drink and before his was delivered , night’s fate was sealed. A, the hunk spotted me as well so I invited him for drink too , if only to tell him that I did not like last week when he abandoned me from another customer. This time he did not go anywhere until his drink was finished . So I used that to try to wrestle him a bit which we always do , he always wins but my ego is still boosted because I manage to resist for a bit. He made suggestion we repeat Feb feast with Y and him together but I said that for me it’s twice expense for half fun so he gave up trying. In models parade I noticed few new faces, Jack who appeared very nervous last week seems settled now but for now Mean seem to be my #1. I also noticed I’m warming up to Babe, perhaps because now he is not one to close parade as he always did , now he is one of many. I did not see Nut last time neither during parade today but at one point he showed up, came to say hallo, admitted casually he is late and way he was dressed made me suspect that he must be in good hands now. Very formal and elegant at the same time so I’m happy for him he found his girl or man, whoever. Another one not present was Nicky, neither last week nor today but time I was in love with him is long gone. I’m glad they are trying to refresh their models stable as old faces and bodies , while still attractive are becoming bit stale so new blood is needed. On another hand I must admit original set was of really outstanding quality, real hunky hunks while never crew is somewhat mixed which is not necessarily wrong as not everybody likes that type. At one point I start getting itchy so tipped A and marched with Y to hotel by the way of Unesco Heritage. Y turned endearingly modest when comes to food as Foodland was his idea and he chosen some ordinary dish like pad Thai. Not that modest when came to LT tip but absolutely and positively did his best to earn it. One of those few precious who feel immediately what and when customer wants. By far best night of this trip. I was so excited and happy that I almost pay dearly for all that fun but that’s the story for next installment .1 point
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Day 7 I waked up at 8.30 and right after breakfast I went to take hop-on , hop off bus. Virgin trip for me as I never used it anywhere. It has 17 or 18 stops , runs every 20 mins and covers all main attractions. I don’t remember cost but something tells me 60 normal , 30 senior. Whatever it is , good value for money. Mostly it stops only if there’s request but at Royal Palace ( I think is called National House there was 20 minutes stop for photos and toilet. I regret not having stop at birds park , apparently biggest of this kind in the world and it looked big although probably can take good part of day to visit so other places would be missed) It seemed most of tourist on my bus were locals and this being Malaysia comments were in good English. At stop nr 14 or 15 I decide to modify my plans as it was KL Tower, another high place. They have glass booths similar to ones at Mahanakhon but enclosed and time there is monitored and limited to few minutes. Those who remember old 1 ringgit note , Tower was featured on it. No senior discount so full 110 price but it was worth it if only to see Petronases from up high. Tower is on the hill so if taking public transit it may be n bit of uphill walk. Then I took the same bus to Bukit where I had lunch , of course chicken with cashew nuts , if only to compare with Bangkok. Then to Central market where I bought few trinkets for folks at home and from there I walked to nearby Merdeka (Freedom) square with interesting architecture and pole with giant Malaysian flag. As main squares go this was on human scale and I liked it. From my school years I recalled book called “Merdeka means freedom “ about Malaysian independence struggle and was glad that I was finally able to be there. It was afternoon and heat get to me so I decided to return to hotel as my friend had some entertainment planned for us for the evening. Because nature of this trip I constantly compare Thailand with Malaysia and must say in one filed Kuala Lumpur beat Bangkok not 10 but 20 times. Grindr. While in BKK I get few messages a day here my phone was pinging constantly , record I noted was 19 messages in 1 hour ! Unfortunately I did not utilize opportunity but it was close call as one guy accosting me actually stay in the same hotel. How I know? He actually told me he saw me in the lobby. Unfortunately he was not exactly my type and he killed his chances with calling me ‘daddy ‘ . I was called worse by better people but hate that. Call me old or ancient but ‘daddy ‘ or ‘papa ‘ is death sentence as far as engagement is concerned. We actually came eye to eye in the evening when my friend arrived and guy just emerged from hotel. Not sure he tried to stalk me but later he sent me a message saying how disappointed he is with my lack of interest. Then my friend and me went to some well conspired place providing massage services for man by man. One needs to call to get admission to the building , then wait for unit to open. Inside there were quite a few attractive guys so we made our pick and pay fee of 280 for 1.5 hr. of full service, whatever it is. Then we went to another locale in the same building where we could survey stamp collection or whatever was on the table. Place was clean, guy, Myanmarese, was willing and time kept to a minute. So I liked it , tipped guy 100 extra although I was told it was not necessary. 380 RM is roughly 3000 baht so is comparable to Bkk prices in Silom ghetto or likes like Jey Spa or Prince. Thrill was for free. My friend dropped me at hotel, my stalker was nowhere to be seen although there were few messages from him I mentioned earlier. I had moment thinking about calling him over but my gut feeling told me ‘no’, he was just too persistent, forget even whole ‘daddy ‘ issue. Floridarob claims I’m easy but I have some idiosyncrasies I observe and being too pushy or too persistent is one of them, specially when guy is of unknown quality. I even went downstairs to store nearby to buy package of loose leaf BOH tea, Malaysian brand from Cameron highlands which I found very good.1 point
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Go go boys fee
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Very important not to tell them you are first time in Thailand they will try to take advantage of newby naive tourist.1 point -
Bogota’s Spa Sexto Sentido
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Took one for the team. Based on a single weekend day visit, really nothing to recommend it. However, if you have the time it’s perhaps worth it to see for yourself. There was one explicitly available massajista, a little older and I think danced at Gigolo Erotic House, but I did not pursue as had been getting some just fine at St Moritz. I did not confirm, but two young slim locals may have been providers. Bigger table in the one massage space, a space also substantial in size compared to St Moritz but no evidence of sheets or a more than the typical fragmentary terry cloth towel to lay down on the vinyl. It seemed quiet but there were two dozen + locks tallied in the locker room. Didn’t see any evidence of private rooms for client action. Then realized all attendees were crammed into either the small darkroom, the steam, or the sauna. It was chilly (I often had hotel heating cranked up) and perhaps the customers lack home heating and head there to warm up. Über 30 minutes and merely COP15,000 base each way. Seemed to be a love/sex motel street. Vibrant neighborhood Venecia. If one conceptualizes a distance triangle where Chapinero is the first point, then airport n/w and Venecia s/w are approximately equidistant remaining points.1 point