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  1. Day 16 When we checked time in the morning it was already 9.30 am . Since I expected Christian PFC with taxi at 11 am I told N we are skipping breakfast, tipped him for his troubles , we freshened up showering together , he left and I start packing. Good thing those fruits I bought yesterday by TukCom, they made for very healthy and tasty breakfast. Another advantage of Classrooms is that some items they charge for like toiletries including condoms and lube, minibar items like beer or cola carry little mark up so if your guest will drink beer or water it will not ruin you . I had about 160 invoice for those I settled when leaving as both gentlemen were on the dot. We arrived in BKK very fast , at 1 pm I was already on reception at Furama Sathorn , another of my few favorite digs. This time I was not upgraded (last 2 times I was without even asking) but room was big and comfortable enough with kitchenette but no couch. Not having breakfast I was bit hungry so went to Charoen Krung soi 49 to have their pizza for the last time this trip. From there by bus to Silom and straight to soi 6 to have massage with N. It’s against advices saying massage first , food after but today it worked well. Great boy and great massage , if only he wouldn’t be so prolific sending Line messages with speed of machine gun. He had small complain saying I promised him 5 nights and we had only 3 so far which came out of blue. While I don’t mind 5 nights I wouldn’t make such specific promise so nice try I thought. At 9 pm we arranged small gathering of forum members present in Bangkok - reader , anddy , Jason 1975 and me had dinner at G’Bangkok together and lively conversation subject of which you can easily guess. As I said before I have hots for one of Banana barkers across and today it was sign that he started noticing it. Longest trip starts from the first step. Bit too late as tonight is my last night this trip and for some reason , never shy , somehow I’m shy approaching him. Even I laugh at myself thinking about that. I think it’s because I like him more for personality than physical attributes so it’s like bit different kind of attractiveness. Or may be because I saw him with girl few times and I’m afraid of failure. Anyways we had a bit of remote fun across the soi. Jason suggested we will help him to finish bottle he had opened in Jupiter another day so we decided to go there, only reader had another plans and it was our trio which went there. We watched all three boy parades, first in briefs , second in boxers and last one in jeans but with numbers , invited few boys to seat with us. If was funny to see contrast, when they do their walkabout their faces are frozen and disinterested but as soon as they seat with us , all were friendly, behaving normally and somewhat clingy. One I invited even asked me to help him with drinks as Jason organized some card game with losers required to drink half shot. He seemed even interested but for some reason I was not in the offing mood there. Anddy was even bit surprised I’m so reluctant but somehow I was. Left empty handed , I went to Hot Male but at that time their selection was very limited and none of guys appealed to me so I circled area once or twice, looked again at Banana barker busy inviting passerby’s to his bar and decided to call night off. Lonely , alone and just me . Not for lack of choices as I’m sure I could get somebody at Tawan or Moonlight or line one of few I have contact with but somewhat I did not feel tonight like I want to . Honestly. Am I turning lesbian? Or straight ? Ot bored with all that debaucheries? Or saturated with fun I had so far ? May be I’m coming there too often ? Or January Cambodian fiasco still subconsciously lingers somewhere in my head and heart and from time to time emerges ? Or am I losing it? Or perhaps getting bored and impatient with some of boys antics, chiefly nagging me ‘when I see you again ? ’ ‘can we have massage today ?’ No idea but those were questions going through my head when walking alone via completely darkened soi 5 , one where market is in day time and which comes across from Furama at other end. So it’s day 16 and night 16 but 5 of them in cold bed. Never before. I used to have empty night once per 5 trips but is it true such world came to an end? Ok I made it sounding bit dramatic for better reading and perhaps even discussion but cold fact is : on my last night on the trip I’m sleeping alone and truth to be said I’m not really making much of it. It is what it is . And I slept well
    10 points
  2. Day 15 It was cloudy this morning. For breakfast I went to Kiss on 2nd road. As soon as I sat down, deluge started. It did not last long, long enough for me to finish breakfast and it stopped when I was paying the check. Then had stroll along Beach Rd people watching , another lazy day After bit of active night at noonish I felt sleepy so returned to the room and collapsed on the bed for few hours waking at 3 and feeling hungry. I made trek to Salt And Pepper behind the TukCom and had their chicken with cashew nuts, one of the best in industry. Returning to hotel I stock up on dragon fruit and passion fruit , I love both , specially that dragon fruit was of red color , somewhat rarity in Thailand where white is more available. I lined N, masseur from Jomtien that I’m taking him tonight and to stay tuned around 10 pm. Agreed immediately which did not come as surprise as we have some chemistry . After dark I made another trek to Jomtien Complex , in @home bar I spotted another boy, twinky but otherwise very attractive so made sure he seats with me . Cambodian with good English so bit of conversation and indecent touches although I told him outright I have boy for tonight to which he counteroffered ‘ what about threesome?”. I warmed to idea and promised to ask N. After good hour I lined N I’m coming , tipped my boy well for his efforts and told him to stay tuned for next 10 minutes in case N agrees. He was waiting on the street in front of his shop , told me he paid off fee already but dismissed suggestion of threesome saying he is shy. Too bad but I’m not one to force one guy on another. Songtaew was just handily passing by so we jumped and in few minutes we were already dining in metal tables on Second Rd. I was surprised how slow it was . in the past at that time like 10.30 pm it was packed to the rafts, now only 3 tables including ours were occupied including one by two Orientals who looked and behaved like couple and very, very attractive couple at that, 5000 LT each quality. Admiration earned me gentle kick from N under the table. Perhaps I was too blunt. I had very tasty thick soup but it was kind of hot and it cost me heartburn at night of quite unpleasant kind, no other sensations though. I never been big on spicy food. Bill came quite substantial for just 2 dishes , perhaps secret of sparse crowd lies there. Chinese , Indians and Russians, majority of visitors now may not be such free spenders like Western farangs. I wanted to see show at ABomb, offered N choice of not attending if he doesn’t want to as Classrooms is just above that bar but he tagged along. Only 4 spectators which was shame as show was quite good and boys handsome. No special show but big cock show yes, oddly out of 6 participants only 3 went to allow inspection. Of course all three got my tips plus as always one most attractive boy from rotation and one show boy who clearly came only for the show and was leaving right away but not fast enough so I could stop him and forced vinapu tuck on him as well. If I stay longer he would be object of my advances tomorrow, that sure thing. Best legs I saw in quite a while and few inches below the navel not exactly flat either. General impression from the visit was that ABomb is underrated. I liked their boys selection better than Xboys and if you remove those I offed in the past , also better than BBB. Out of 5 boys on the stage 4 were offing material for me. But not tonight since I had my boy and knew already he is threesome averse. We climbed stairs and in room exercises were kind of very hot reunion. Known quality has own advantages, that was proven tonight. And if there’s chemistry , no wonder AC must be turned on full blast. A bit of unpleasant sensation from that hot soup cured with drinking cold tea I made in the evening before we started demolishing bed.
    9 points
  3. vinapu

    Hotmale beer bar

    I doubt and and do strongly that such reviews would had much benefits unless made by somebody we know very well. They may be made in good faith but any review would be tinted by reviewer personal prejudices. Good and bad. Boy will not kiss me because my bad breath, what I will report ? Not that I smelled but that he refused to keep his promise to kiss. You forget that you moved money from shorts to safe and you report boy stolen 3000 from your shorts. There are people who are serial complainers and nothing will make them happy and others who cherish very fact being on vacation and will praise everything. Sometimes for fun I read review of hotels I was staying on the last trip , often I wonder if that was the same place, for good and for bad. so no, unless I know reviewer personally I pay very little attention to what they say qualifying something. But yes , I'll trust all 31 members I already met.
    5 points
  4. Day 14 At 8am HC left , collecting his tip without any grimace so I’m not even sure he was happy or disappointed, not really losing sleep over it. I went for breakfast to Das Berliner, short hop on baht bus from there to Pattaya Night Market which only start coming to life but I bought multipocketed shirt I usually wear when travel as one never runs out need for those. Then parked myself in internet café in soi post office as I had some things to do on computer and find it easier to do it on PC than smartphone or tablet, then , when walking to hotel, Wit from Paradise massage stopped me so it went without saying we have massage session , 1.50 hr , great as always. .He is pressing me for long time , no doubt out of love. After massage I invited him for dinner at Bayview restaurant on Beach Rd where we usually go. Then I went to Tukcom to add some time to my SIM card as it’s expiring tomorrow and being there walked through Sunee Plaza , abandoned to her fate , noticing new shiny laundry on the corner leading to it. Finally some bright spot there. Next step as it was darkening already was Jomtien complex where I parked myself at @home bar , winged with two resident guys of theirs. I treated them with drink and on departure with 200 tip each for their time and decided to return to Boyztown. Jomtien Complex seemed quite slow tonight with sprinkling of patrons here and there. So far quite “ nothing happened day “ but it was nice not to be pressed to do anything with anybody, of course massage with Wit excepted. I arrived just before 11 pm so in time for XBoys show so I went in. Very progressive show with not one but two “special” segments , it was fun to watch Chinese spectators awed at what they saw. I was happy to see A in one number. He is veteran there , tall for a Thai and quite well endowed. For me his personal attraction is that he reminds me somebody from my youth. But somehow he did not notice me and after show disappeared so I left empty handed. Not to give up easily I made big circle of Boyztown sois and in 15-20 minutes I was back in front of XBoys. A was sitting at front of bar eating something. This time he recognized me immediately , rushed to greet me which I used to ask romantic question” you sleep with me tonight ?” which was agreed to immediately. I like fast negotiations. I paid off fee, let him finish his meal and we walked over to Classrooms to complete our deal. He is quite conversationalist as well , told me about his family and work and all in all we had great time. Longer it lasted , grater it seemed. Notwithstanding his physical attributes mentioned earlier he is simply very decent guy and to spice it, knowing well why he was invited. One of those offs which will stay in memory and I still remember our first , pre-covid meeting. So while days in Pattaya tend to be boring , both nights so far turned excellent. Knowing who I will be hosting tomorrow I can already say that all nights in Pattaya this trip were outstanding .
    5 points
  5. PeterRS

    Hotmale beer bar

    Gentlemen - I think perhaps a glance at the Board Rules makes clear what is and what is not permissible in terms of names. These state - "Personal information that can be used to identify a member, a user, or a go-go boy or bar boy, whether or not a Gay Thailand member, shall not be permitted. No member shall publish or cause to be published such personal information. A violation of the Covenant shall be cause for immediate termination of Forum privileges." I have no idea how the rule operates but it is clearly there. I realise that names have been used in a considerable number of posts in more than a few threads and I do not know of any termination of Board privileges. But are you really prepared to test the waters?
    4 points
  6. Based on the following article, ASEAN workers can be expected to represent a strong presence in the massage shops and bars as well in other sectors of the Thai economy well into the future. From The Nation Thai universities are struggling due to lower enrolments because of the sharp decline in the number of new births over the past several years, an education professional said. Arnond Sakworawich, head of Business Analytics and Intelligence Program at the Graduate School of Applied Statistics of the National Institute of Development Administration (NIDA), said that most Thai universities have not been able to meet their enrolment targets. The number of vacant seats are more than the number of students enrolling, forcing many state and private universities to organise 3-5 rounds of admission sessions, but still failing to fill all the available seats, Arnond said. The current Thai higher education market is relatively small, with 200-300 universities taking in fewer students than their annual capacity. Additionally, there has been a continuous decline in the number of births over the past five years. Thirty years ago, Thailand had over a million births, but currently the number has dropped by half to 500,000-600,000 births per year. In 2005, Thailand started becoming an ageing society, and became a full-fledged ageing society in 2022 when registration statistics showed that the elderly population had reached 12,116,119, accounting for 18.3% of the total population of about 70 million. By 2027, Thailand is expected to become an ageing society at an advanced level, similar to Japan, with the elderly population accounting for 28% of the total population. The birth rate is very low, with only a 0.18% increase in population from new births. As the number of Thai students entering universities continues to decline while the elderly population increases, it undoubtedly has an impact on the entire Thai education system, Arnond said. State and private universities might struggle to survive in the next five years if they do not not adapt, possibly leading to mergers or closures, he said. Thai universities have managed to survive by actively recruiting Chinese students. At some institutions, Chinese students make up half of the total student population. Approximately 3 million Chinese students have enrolled in Thai universities, he said.
    3 points
  7. dallastexas

    SP or Rio now?

    Certain wines become deeper and more complex with age. Am I like wine? Whereas I age, I become equipped to better appreciate an arresting and complex sex penetration? Or, is the sex with Brazilian men simply *that* good? As I write this report (with a sore pulsating butt), my head spins with the fond memories I’ve picked up after my plane touch-downed in Sao Paulo earlier this morning. I agree with other members of this forum; in terms of practically, the layout at the new Lagoa is a little *funky*. But who cares, since I don't come to Lagoa be an architect or interior designer. I come to Lagoa to be horny slutty bottom,...and to cum,...and to have the attention span and mental outlook akin to the character “Perrito” in Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. I find that this outlook archetype is the best way to fully enjoy a Brazilian brothel (and this forum). For a Friday night, there was a good mix of customers and boys. There’s a type of boy for every customers’ spectrum of preferences… lots of them...ranging from the aging muscle heads, young bodybuilders sculpted to perfection, good looking AF college models, natural lean Carioca youth type, dark-skinned, light-skinned, macho hairy to silky smooth, old, and young. The only common denominator between all these boys is their giant dick size: ranging from big to bigger. Just when you think you’ve seen a huge “pau” on sampling display at level 2, you walk up one flight of stairs to be further startled by an even bigger penis awaiting to be seen. Comparatively (or maybe it’s just my impression), the boys at Lagoa are generally courteous and not as pushy as the boys in Rio (before the pandemic). Like Costco’s food sample system, most of the boys are eager to preview and allow you to “eye-sample” (and sometimes touch) their ginormous, talented, cast iron endowments. The first boy I selected was a charming 23 yo Carioca with an outgoing vibe. I usually don’t pick boys who are fully clothed, but this boy’s personality was top notch. After hitting all the check-marks during my screening conversation (good looks, big dick, beijo, allowing me to lick his ass before he penetrates me, slow initial penetration, speaking sexy Portuguese while fucking), we proceeded to get a suite. Aside from the great sex, this boy really surprised me with his extra attention to hygiene and cleanliness. Before the deed, he brushed his teeth and also put on cologne; he takes pride in his masculinity. This appetizer was so good I ended up tipping him extra for his first class service and the unrequested flash of gozar/leite he drowned on my face as a souvenir. The second boy I selected was a 20 yo light skinned tight body surfer type with green piercing eyes and quasi-curly hair. I liked that he was aloof and that he turned on my “hunting” mode behavior. Sometimes, it’s more satisfying when you have to initiate and chase the sex-mate. He surprised me by being able to speak English very well and we didn’t have to do the typical dance of “awkward-Google-Translate-negotiation-exchange.” He was extra horny and has a very alluring surfer grunt. This main course has a jumbo big dick and a fresh delicious ass. Masterful penetration technique: a hyper jack hammer that only a young 20 yo virility can possess. The third boy I selected to end my 3 course meal, was a mid-to-late 20s muscular and light tanned semi-bodybuilder. He was the perfect dessert to close the night. In the room, I spent almost the full initial 30 minutes licking, worshipping, squeezing, eating his entire body and orifice. He likes being muscle worshiped and proactively flexed different poses, surrendering his body to my tongue. He was so strong that he effortlessly flips me into numerous positions while fucking me. Doggy => Sideways => Missionary => Sitting on his hardon. Flip-fuck-flip-fuck-and-repeat: I was the pancake and he was the Michelin chef. All of this was witnessed by my eyes thanks to Lagoa’s full length mirrors in the room. His cock was rock hard and big and just the right size to massage my insides (while the two pervious boys I had were King Kong sized). He was very generous with his time and was an authentically nice masculine strong guy. Pro-tip #1. If you opt for a suite, always proactively and kindly ask the room attendant for the remote to the air conditioner. When the room is nice and chilly, the sex is better. The attendant and even the boys will not always remember about the remote. I learned about this the hard way while on my knees looking up, giving a blowjob and happenstance see an air conditioner. Midway as I was sucking dick, the more rational part of my brain came to the rescue and alerted me to ask if the AC could be turned on. The boy had a lightbulb moment and agreed that the room was getting warm, so he pulled his jumbo cock out of my mouth, wrapped a towel on, and then went to fetch the remote. Don’t make my mistake. You’re welcome. Pro-tip #2. The room attendant will ask if you want to buy lube/condoms. Bring your own XXL condoms, the condoms they provide are simply too small for 95% of the boys there. Sex is better when the condoms are not too tight and fits properly. A big dick deserves XXL condoms. You’re welcome. All in all, I must have been very lucky this first night. I must say, I am proud of my bum tonight, for all the courage and big cocks it took in. Thanks to all the helpful folks on this forum that shared useful information before my trip.
    3 points
  8. In the space occupied pre-covid by the original Red Dragon bar (just to left of. Freshboy stairs), a new lady cocktail bar had opened. I’d been a regular at Red Dragon because the beer was cheap and the Burmese bartender and Vietnam waiters from Freshboy were hot. I welcome any place that brings added life to Patpong but it reminds me so much of how I miss its predecessor.
    3 points
  9. Boy69

    Hotmale beer bar

    TripAdvisor and Google Maps reviews can't be trust at all , Booking.com and Agoda are more reliable because it includes only reviews of guests actually stayed at the hotels and book through their platform. Regarding reviews of working guys I agree that it so subjective preference and personal experience that I doubt it can be useful for others .
    3 points
  10. ichigo

    Mature Thai tops

    Also Arena
    3 points
  11. Day 13 None of us was in rush but we went for breakfast downstairs (not included in rate, 240 but quite opulent ) and after that we returned to the room for some more intimacies. I don’t recall whose idea that was but not even necessarily mine. I was happy with him, he was happy with tip. We actually had some homework to do too as after tattoo application yesterday some of his skin peeled off leaving a lot of black ( from ink) skin confetti. But we did good job. At 11 kissed Y good bye , packed , checked out and at noon Christian PFC arrived with taxi driver he arranged and we went to Pattaya. I always thought taking taxi there is excessive spending but recently become keen on it. Yes it cost about 6 times more (1200 ) than taking bus (130+ BTS+ARL ) would but saves half time, like 2 hrs. When vacation time is short every hour counts. Bonus was we had more time to chat , even stopped at some roadside restaurant for quite tasty and cheap lunch (255 for three , drinks included). In Pattaya they dropped me at Classrooms hotel. Along with Zing Resort and Copa my favorite in Pattaya. I tend to alternate my Pattaya stays between Jomtien and Boyztown. I extolled virtues of Classrooms before but I repeat , I like their spacious rooms and very discreet side entry bypassing not only reception but also bar downstairs. That’s hotel where both boy’s and girl’s lovers feel at home and won’t bother each other. Then went for a stroll along Beach Road only to get my heart bleeding because Alt Heidelberg, my favorite restaurant was gutted undergoing extensive renovation and I don’t have any hope it will be back in business. To get my fix of schnitzel I went to Das Berliner instead but while tasty , it’s not the same there. After dinner walk was to Walking Street which is back in business but now quite diversified. A lot of stores selling this or that, plenty restaurants and girl clubs here and there. It sadly looks that converting Pattaya to family destination already started , step by step, store by store. By 2117 process should be completed I guess and then punters will be left with soi 6 and TreeTown bars. After I did tourist part , at 8 pm I parked myself at Castro with an eye for BBB, That’s my routine in Boyztown, always first evening that ritual. After a while, Lek, the mamasan spotted me and greeted with smile so I went to shake hands. He remembered I like Handsome Cambodian (HC) and surprised me telling me he is there. After I offed him in Feb I never heard from him , neither few of my friends who know him as well. We were wondering what happened to him and I was happy to see he is back. Indeed , several minutes later he appeared on their porch but he did not notice me so for now I left things as they are. About time for show to start I went inside and was surprised to find bar completely full. Full was also stage and it was very disappointing as all boys were completely dressed, t-shirt and jeans, no numbers and only 3 bare chested . I proudly noticed that all three are boys I offed in the past , in fact Art and HC quite a few times. All in all there were 6 familiar faces and they all recognized me smiling , HC being last one. He was as surprised as I was hour ago and when I motioned he joined me immediately. We have a bit of history , good and bad but if I have weak spot for anybody it’s him. Sometimes I need it , like today when he gulped 3 rounds of beer (boy drink is 350, mine 400 ) without even asking me if I’m Ok with that. Of course I will be offing him but when came to paying bill I was surprised twice, first I was charged for 5 drinks but we consumed 4, second off fee turned out whopping 1000 baht , the same like models at Moonlight. That’s excessive greed. I refused to pay for that extra drink so they reduced bill by 350, gnashed my teeth and paid the rest. I should mention show but it was more or less the same like always with BBoys being stars, they even dragged one girl from audience to funny number of simulated sex. She was performing admirably , lucky girl with all those hunks. A lot of screaming and noise but this is when there are so many girls in audience. After show we went to the room , actually our first off was to the same hotel. Then he wanted me to go separately , now he did not mind to walk along. How times changed I reflected. I was happy, was he too? I guess so. Deep in the night there was that endearing moment when he really become very clingy and cuddled to me like finally he realized that if I like him , he should at least skillfully pretend he does like me as well. It was quite nice and I must say romantic.
    3 points
  12. vinapu

    Hotmale beer bar

    you are posting on gay forum or writing horror novel ? Now I know why I like my Baan Silom , no waiting for check-in or -out, neither for elevator. And definitely no waiting for breakfast as none offered. Unesco Heritage is short walk from there though and no waiting there either. Long live cheap!
    2 points
  13. PeterRS

    Hotmale beer bar

    Around a decade ago, Business Traveller magazine had a two page feature on Tripadvisor and other 'review' sites which confirmed that Tripadvisor certainly manipulated reviews. I then wrote a post or two here on how it had manipulated the lousy standing of the Marina Bay Sands Hotel in Singapore. I was booked in there when speaking at a Conference. For a 5-star hotel, I thought it was dreadful. 20-minute queue to check-in, 30 minute-queue for breakfast, 30 minute-queue to check-out, 5 to 8-minute queue every time you wanted a lift and my non-smoking room had at least a dozen cigarette burns on furniture. It was then ranked as around #65 in Tripadvisor's hotel list - the worst of any 5-star hotel in the city state. But this was and is the Singaopore government's pride and joy. And when the SIngapore government is pissed off, it does something about it. So over the next 18 months the hotel moved up to around #32. But all the 5-star reviews it received were one- or two-liners of the "great hotel", "fabulous pool", "definitely will return" variety. Clearly 90%+ were fake. I then wrote to Tripavisor's head office pointing out 20 reviews of this an other establishments that were clearly fake. I never received a reply, but within weeks 14 of those reviews had disappeared!
    2 points
  14. Although this trend has been happening in several Asian countries for many years - e.g. Japan and Singapore - the problem in Thailand in the 1970s and 80s was too many births. In the early 1970s the high birth rate of 3.2% was simply unsustainable if Thailand was to become a more developed country. In stepped Meecha Veeravaidya, a half Thai/half Scottish economist trained in Australia, who realised that the first step had to be making birth control a subject that was not hidden under the carpet, as it were, but openly discussed. Through his Population and Community Development Association he made condoms not merely acceptable - but popular! He staged all sorts of stunts around the country including condom blowing contests and filling condoms as much water as possible and then dropping them from a great height. He had T-shirts distributed with stick figures involved in various sex acts and the message "condoms please". His original Cabbages and Condoms restaurant remains a fixture on Sukhumvit Soi 12 in Bangkok (excellent cuisine incidentallyl). Now there are a dozen more around the country and even two in the UK. With his relentless advocacy, Meechai soon became known as Thailand's Condom King. And in many parts of the country, people still call condoms "meechais"! When HIV-AIDS came along, he intensified his efforts. For two decades he has been concerned that the younger generation is no longer taught about safe sex and the increase in the number of young people having unsafe sex. It was the first Thaksin government that reduced the funding for sex education in schools, something Meechai believes was a huge mistake. As he wrote some years ago, teenagers need to know that sex is natural, but “to master it rather than to let it master you.” Reversing the population downward trend is unlikely to be easy. As the country and individuals become richer - and as has been seen in other countries, young men and women are putting off marriage till much later. They are also having fewer children. My partner's brother who lives in Myanmar got married aged 16. That used to be quite common in Thailand. No more.
    2 points
  15. Your writing has gotten more sophisticated! I think you can publish a steamy novel!
    2 points
  16. reader

    Hotmale beer bar

    No difference than hiring a plumber? Really? Well, three of those ground floor employees were offed from bar last week for karaoke session at local restaurant and members posted here about it. It was a lot of fun but did not involve sex. It’s not uncommon for guys to get offed simply as companions for dinner and drinks. Another thing you may be missing is that there are some regular customers who’ve come to think of those employees as friends. Discussing a friend’s sexuality would seem to me to be a violation of trust. But that’s just me. Customers tend to talk about their personal lives with bartenders. Most do so, assuming confidentiality exits between them. I’ve reread, too, but perhaps through a glass less darkly. There’s that magic word again. I think we all value it. If we all understood how TripAdvisor reviews can be manipulated, the less we read them the better informed we will be, I agree.
    2 points
  17. I would say the main complaint would be the guys wanting to get ST over quickly. I saw with my own eyes two different occasions of two Jupiter guys leaving with customers after the first runway walk at 10.30pm. They were back at midnight for third runway walk.
    2 points
  18. gladly share, total 10 when leaving hotel room they are stuffed according to the following formula : shirt upper left 2000 shirt upper right 1500 shorts left side from bottom to top ( 3 pockets) all 50's, 1000, all 20"s and coins shorts right side from bottom to top ( 3pockets ) 1000, 1000, 7 times 100 shorts 2 back pockets - one on the left 500 note , one on the right 500 in 100 baht notes. If may sound stupid or too meticulous but it works great. First since it's total of 8200 I can spent or be robbed of more, second , if I pat any pocket and don't see / feel what is supposed to be there I immediately think where that 1000 baht went? Oh yes , it was that dinner at Unesco and massage fee at Thai Relax but wait it was total 800 where's 200 ? (change goes to the same pocket ) Of, it was charger from Silom market and 2 beers at 7/11 I always admire struggle a lot of people have in dark bar when pulling wallet and trying to pull 100 or 500 from there trying to distinguish which is which ( during daytime is easy but in dark they look the same ) while I know where look for that 500 (shirt pocket right or short back pocket left) or 100 ( top short pocket on the right or back short also on the right )
    2 points
  19. Day 12 Very pleasant night but lacking fireworks and excessive sweat. This is what happened when both boy and I know each other well from multiple offs in the past. Novelty value is rubbing off a bit but on another hand there’s confidence that all will go well and no nasty surprises like 4 am request ‘ can I go home now, my motorsai parked wrong place ?”. Leisurely morning but we made it for breakfast. And I ate plenty to make up for hasty breakfast yesterday. Since check out time is 11 I packed my goodies, checked out , took tuk-tuk to my next dig , Le Siam on Convent one of my holy quadruple of hotels in Siam area I like to stay, Raya, Baan Silom and Furama Sathorn being other three. Room was already available which was good news as I could Line ST whose butt so impressed me yesterday in Tawan to show up at 2. Our agreement made earlier was I let him know when. That was whole hell of short time I must say. Not only he did his best to make sure I’m happy but also told me a lot about his life and passions and let me tell you , those were not boring stories. How stories by the naked hunk can even get boring?. No way this could be only short time so I suggested an extension of time , he suggested extension of tip and thus it was longest short time I ever had at 6 hrs. No way that after such time two men won’t get hungry and he suggested shabu at MBK. Not being fan of Japanese food I did not even know what shabu is but decided to try. Modestly he suggested we go by BTS. It was all you can eat for 499 and certainly food they had was great for bodybuilder , all lean meat no fattening pastas etc. For me it was tastier than expected although as I say, not my type of food. Certainly at home the same would cost me 3 times more. Walking back to the station he spotted sales in sport store eyeing some brand name exercise shorts reduced 70%. In my eyes even reduced price was twice too much (520 ) but what do I know? So I said yes but you should try first. So we crowded into one booth for measurement and short moment of innocent fun. I gave him money there so he could pay himself , just a bit face saving exercise. What surprised me was how happy he was . Casually throwing 100 or 200 we forget that for a lot of those guys 500 is princely sum, specially to be spent on non-essentials like that so we returned to Silom both happy, he with his acquisition and me seeing him happy. Today is religious holiday so no alcohol sales. Having a bit of time I made tour of the area to see if bars are opened as theoretically they could as long as no alcohol was offered but it looked all bars decided to close , my guess was to avoid pesky boys in brown with palms outstretched. In soi 4 only Adam massage and G’Bangkok were opened , everything else was in dark. Very few diners at G'Bangkok though. The same in Patpong , all closed , Moonlight the same and so was Tawan but Dum who is also motorsai driver was on his post on the corner so I gave him 100 baht to buy himself some meal. I was timing myself as my post-birthday festivities were not completed. I made sure at 10pm I’m in my room as I was expecting Y and indeed at 10 on the dot my phone chimed, it was Line message “I’m downstairs “ so I went to pick him up . But he was bit hungry so gave him 100 to buy something-on Convent there’s always some street food available. Soon after he showed up with some dish, gave me even change from that 100 and up we went for another super session today. Two guys today , both trying their best to make sure I’m happy. It did not come cheap but I like money well spent better than cheap price tags and that was a case on that fabulous holiday day.
    2 points
  20. Boy69

    Hotmale beer bar

    I am sick of all of the politically correct trend it's obvious that using the word 'boy' refers to a guy over 18 y.o. and not to underage boy.
    1 point
  21. R$ 200 (reais) is the asking price for GPs at the saunas. From 150 to 250.
    1 point
  22. as I said above , even I was surprised. I went to Tawan but passing the soi I decided to skip it that night, not in the mood to fend off all those tip requests.
    1 point
  23. gayinpattaya

    Hotmale beer bar

    I think the main issue is normally when people are posting photos and personal sexual information about people. Saying I met a boy called BEER in whatever bar is not the same. It's not their real name anyway. Just an alias many change every few months.
    1 point
  24. Leroy82

    Hotmale beer bar

    Please direct these concerns to forum member “gayinpattaya” who first mentioned the names in this thread… I’m loving the morality of some people here, thou shall not mention names/work places but thou will go to Thailand and pay a young man to sleep with me…..
    1 point
  25. Boy69

    Hotmale beer bar

    TripAdvisor pretending to be reliable tourists informative site but actually is not every time I checked reviews of specific hotels I immediately received commercial mails of promotion deals for the same hotels I was interested in their website.
    1 point
  26. Patanawet

    Mature Thai tops

    You could try the bar/karaoke above Balcony Pub, Silom Soi 4. It is called HUGS.
    1 point
  27. Olddaddy

    Mature Thai tops

    You won't need to look for moneyboys in that age group ,there are a lot of free non MB mature aged tops on Grindr , unless your very butt ugly I would message them telling them your wanting their cock !
    1 point
  28. Yes, we only find out when we are back in room. I met Jupiter guy last year. He was clean shaven. Then met him again this year and he had grown back his bush. When I commented on that, he said he was surprised I remembered!
    1 point
  29. joselowe

    SP or Rio now?

    I just left São Paulo and I’m currently in Rio until Sunday then I return to SP on Sunday and Monday before I go to another city in Brazil on Tuesday but I’d love to maybe meet up to look for some guys lol so far I’ve only met up with someone from messsge to message forum in Dominican Republic, but I’d be down to meet up if you are. I’ve been to Lagoa in São Paulo. Club 117 has more options but i find the men to be more refined and traditionally handsome in SP at Lagoa.
    1 point
  30. usually I go by length of time they sat with me and if there were any sinister moves on my part although I never do that in bar unless encouraged by my companion they do , I think they told me 50 baht. They got 200 each because they sat with me at least 1 hour, they were nice boys , allowed me to scratch them here and there and it was very slow evening in the bar. No to mention I was in good mood
    1 point
  31. you got it right, it's like second nature. I learned benefits of money compartmentalisation is my school years as class treasurer responsible for keeping and dispensing cash during class trips. I replenish money more or less every time I go out but definitely at least twice - after my night companion left in the morning and before I hit the bars in the evening . In case I may be short tip money for my night stand I always hide 3000 baht somewhere in the room before I go out for the night, 1000 in one place and 2000 in another one. To avoid awkward situations I practically never open safe with boy present.
    1 point
  32. jason1975

    Mature Thai tops

    Dreamboys!
    1 point
  33. greatest or not , still magnet for many, Thailand isn't greatest but still magnet for many, including Americans. What it even means greatest country in the world ? I doubt even such country exists. The same question should be asked about airlines. And the same doubt remains
    1 point
  34. floridarob

    SP or Rio now?

    For 10 days, I'm happy just staying in SP, when it's longer, I'd go to Rio, but not usually this time of year.... your mileage may vary.
    1 point
  35. rest assured you are not alone
    1 point
  36. that's primary purpose they try to keep in touch, to have avenue if they need some cash. Not necessarily scamming you , those are mostly poor boys with constant requests from family to send money but if you not careful it may become tiring and draining quite fast. Nothing wrong with helping from time to time if you feel like , you may actually feel better too for helping. but be prepared for upsets too like you send money to help with that doctor bill and few days later you will see post in social media with pictures of your boy having good time in some shiny and expensive resort. I hate being cynical but it happens and did happen to me, fortunately not in cases when I actually sent anything. But I haste to add, when boy says he likes you it not necessarily means he lies. It's the same like with us , we like some boys more than other and it's usually because personality , not size of dick. So yes they may like YOU and your money, just don't allow being exploited.
    1 point
  37. From Bangkok Post CHON BURI: The Pattaya City Administration plans to introduce four monorail lines to ease traffic congestion. It will begin with a 9.9-kilometre "Green Line" route which will connect the future high-speed... https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2596913/pattaya-to-construct-4-monorail-lines
    1 point
  38. reader

    The 13

    +1 We forgot about our offs and petty concerns. We were all Thais for those fateful days.
    1 point
  39. PeterRS

    The 13

    I think there can be no doubt this man was a hero - very much an unsung hero in the amazing rescue of the boys and their coach. He basically had to command a very motley army ranging from the best experts in the world to the villagers who donated their rice paddies for drainage of the water from the cave. How sad that he should have died so relatively young! I hope all will remember his words taken from the speech he made when accepting on behalf of the entire team of rescuers the Asia Game Changer Award from the Asia Society in New York - “I wish the entire incident would inspire everyone to start living for others. This small change could be a game changer for the world.” May he rest in peace.
    1 point
  40. Day 11 I must be turning lesbian, men loving lesbian but still lesbian because I start liking my boy less nights. Slept very well till 8 and did not rush for breakfast, only to run in panic as they close at 10 and I made it at 9.55. Still managed to feed myself well. Then went to top floor to marvel at Bangkok from moving platform. Nice breeze there. While Mahanakhon is more exciting due to glass, for view I think I like Bayioke better as it’s more central. After that I’m taking it easy because today it’s my birthday so I made myself busy thanking all well wishers on Line, e-mail and What’s Up. I quite liked that lazy , no pressure day. But at 2 I decided not to waste day completely and went to Saphan Kwai with intention to make survey of massage shops there. By the station there are at least 3 : G’Beat, KMan and 15M but my survey today was along Suthisan Rd. Coming from BTS there is One Spa across gas station and on the same side of street 27 M. On opposite side there are BT HOUSE, KK SPA and Home Spa. Home Spa is just before highway crosses street if you are taking bus. So I stopped at Home , 1hr 500 baht min tip 1000, only two boys available immediately so I opted for one I recognized face from their Line feed. Fees are less than half of one needs to pay at Jey. But twink lover would do better than me who is rather into hunks. Boy was working hard but there was no spark from my side for that reason so I was glad when 1 hr was over and likely so was boy although we had some fun but it was more routine. I think it was my fault so don’t get me wrong. Being there I decided to try one more, stopped at BT house but they were all boked with no room available according to guy on reception, He gave me aprox. waiting time of ½ hr. so I decided to go somewhere else and stopped at One. Again only two boys available , both hunks . One of them volunteered to explain process in quite good English so I opted for him. That was good idea. Good massage, my type of guy and quite a conversationalist, at around 40 min. he expressed wish to marry me and go with me to my country. That was fast! But before we settled on pre-nuptials 1 hr passed and session was over but fun it was. Cost and tip the same like at Home but I gave him 200 extra for lawyer drawing those pre-nuptials. I enjoyed it there. Upon return to hotel Guardian Angel steered me to alight at Phaya Thai and take 1 stop of ARL from there. It’s short walk to hotel from the station but I found the gem on main street, just past railway crossing. Ordinary Thai restaurant , with half tables in the open and half behind the door. I opted for that section because AC and ordered my customary chicken with cashews. Probably second best I had with only Oasis on Suriwong when they were there doing it even better. Old truth that restaurant ambiance has nothing to do with quality of food it serves was mightily confirmed. Quite an unexpected treat for my birthday. I went to hotel to freshen up and pick up some money deciding today Tawan will be my bar of choice. Hunks and most friendly bar, what else I may want. Taxi handily unloaded somebody in front of hotel and agreed to take me to Silom, it was about 80 baht, the same I paid for motorsai yesterday. Alighting I got message from anddy that he is dining at Gbangkok so went there to shake hands – I was full after that fabulous chicken but anddy generously offered me birthday drink so I stopped there for longer chat with him and restaurant owner. Then I went to Tawan as always greeted enthusiastically. Good hour before show bar was already filed . I was not only farang . in pure view I had had another one sitting with one of their boys and both were quite progressive in their behavior. Unfortunately later on farang left leaving some tip in guys’ hands so no off. Not being just anybody there had benefits as quite fast they organized some table space so I had no less than 4 guys sitting with me including one veteran, surprisingly clingy today, Mas my favorite twink there and new acquisition ST, very handsome, also not exactly teenager, with butt of gold. He told me he is there only few weeks and his brother used to work there. Turned out I know that brother very well in his days and even nominated him to be best boy of my Dec 2015 trip. Getting his Line proved great acquisition. One guy was missing from the crowd, multiple offed K , all because of fairness. Right in the beginning I told him I’m offing him tonight as my birthday boy so I thought fair that other boys will get their drinks and tips. I was in the mood so not only my companions and all 3 performers but also ‘special ‘ show participants and j/o show competitors got theirs not to mention 1 or 2 for newly acquired twinks. Spending like drunken sailor at least I remained sober , chiefly because of pleasure of caressing gently and secretly that butt of gold. After show I jumped on K’s new shiny motorcycle , no doubt fruit of all those ‘ no customers tonight’ nights and we went to Happy Beer Garden where his cousin is waitressing while being only person in whole world allowed to call me ‘ my daddy”. At least return to hotel was free and we could start celebrating birthday in style, K and I. Only disappointment this year was that hotel did not present me birthday cake like they did last year. I wonder if that was change of policy or result of opting for cheaper room where such treats don’t apply
    1 point
  41. Day 8 As they say, time to say goodbye. Breakfast, again I was only farang looking guest there. Fast packing as most of my goodies are still in Baan Silom, monorel to KL Sentral and airport express from there. Air Asia did not gave me a chance to select a seat for free and system assigned me middle one but by grace of God other two seats in my row were nor assigned so I had 3 seats for myself , too bad it was only 2.hr15 mins flight. In Don Muang very fast , no immigration line whatsoever. Going to the train I heard my name all of the sudden. One of guys from former Bangkok Massage whose brother I offed at least 10 times was waiting for somebody and recognized me. Not in business any more , scuba dive instructor now. Another proof that world is small. In coupon restaurant on the way to station I treated myself with duck on the rice for 65 baht, my usual treat when in DMK and 1 hr later I returned to Baan Silom to learn that I was assigned the same room, not that I care as anyone would do. At 7 I was supposed to meet another member ggobkk who was gracious enough to find some time for meeting on day of his return home. It was about to rain so I decided to go to GBangkok bit earlier , great idea as it started raining at 7 on the dot. My friend arrived with big umbrella but soon rain stopped, After chat and dinner and more chat we decided to go to Screwboys, first visit for both of us after reopening. Mamasan recognized us immediately, they did not really opened yet but she ordered few guys to the stage, few were OK and # 26 got tips for good looks from both of us. She also remembered that my best boy ever, One was from there and showed me his pictures, serious man in mid thirties now , father of 3 but still I recall him vividly . Muscular hunk who knew very well what his clients want and delivered. But it was in 2015 and after that he disapeared from the scene for good. 100 baht for her to keep that memory fresh forever, then after a while ggobkk went to his hotel to get ready for his trip and I went to jeweler on Thaniya to exchange some money. Then to Hot male beer bar to have drinks with boys and asked P to be there tomorrow at 3 so we can assess my new stamp acquisition. Then climbed stairs to Freshboys to watch the show and tip the best looking guy as usual. By sheer coincidence he had number #26 as well . He would be my candidate for an off but over Line I already promised N, the masseur, that we sleep together tonight so went home so to speak empty handed. On my way I met on Silom his workmate who assured me that N will be there after he closes shop at 1 as today was his turn about which I was aware already.
    1 point
  42. Day 7 I waked up at 8.30 and right after breakfast I went to take hop-on , hop off bus. Virgin trip for me as I never used it anywhere. It has 17 or 18 stops , runs every 20 mins and covers all main attractions. I don’t remember cost but something tells me 60 normal , 30 senior. Whatever it is , good value for money. Mostly it stops only if there’s request but at Royal Palace ( I think is called National House there was 20 minutes stop for photos and toilet. I regret not having stop at birds park , apparently biggest of this kind in the world and it looked big although probably can take good part of day to visit so other places would be missed) It seemed most of tourist on my bus were locals and this being Malaysia comments were in good English. At stop nr 14 or 15 I decide to modify my plans as it was KL Tower, another high place. They have glass booths similar to ones at Mahanakhon but enclosed and time there is monitored and limited to few minutes. Those who remember old 1 ringgit note , Tower was featured on it. No senior discount so full 110 price but it was worth it if only to see Petronases from up high. Tower is on the hill so if taking public transit it may be n bit of uphill walk. Then I took the same bus to Bukit where I had lunch , of course chicken with cashew nuts , if only to compare with Bangkok. Then to Central market where I bought few trinkets for folks at home and from there I walked to nearby Merdeka (Freedom) square with interesting architecture and pole with giant Malaysian flag. As main squares go this was on human scale and I liked it. From my school years I recalled book called “Merdeka means freedom “ about Malaysian independence struggle and was glad that I was finally able to be there. It was afternoon and heat get to me so I decided to return to hotel as my friend had some entertainment planned for us for the evening. Because nature of this trip I constantly compare Thailand with Malaysia and must say in one filed Kuala Lumpur beat Bangkok not 10 but 20 times. Grindr. While in BKK I get few messages a day here my phone was pinging constantly , record I noted was 19 messages in 1 hour ! Unfortunately I did not utilize opportunity but it was close call as one guy accosting me actually stay in the same hotel. How I know? He actually told me he saw me in the lobby. Unfortunately he was not exactly my type and he killed his chances with calling me ‘daddy ‘ . I was called worse by better people but hate that. Call me old or ancient but ‘daddy ‘ or ‘papa ‘ is death sentence as far as engagement is concerned. We actually came eye to eye in the evening when my friend arrived and guy just emerged from hotel. Not sure he tried to stalk me but later he sent me a message saying how disappointed he is with my lack of interest. Then my friend and me went to some well conspired place providing massage services for man by man. One needs to call to get admission to the building , then wait for unit to open. Inside there were quite a few attractive guys so we made our pick and pay fee of 280 for 1.5 hr. of full service, whatever it is. Then we went to another locale in the same building where we could survey stamp collection or whatever was on the table. Place was clean, guy, Myanmarese, was willing and time kept to a minute. So I liked it , tipped guy 100 extra although I was told it was not necessary. 380 RM is roughly 3000 baht so is comparable to Bkk prices in Silom ghetto or likes like Jey Spa or Prince. Thrill was for free. My friend dropped me at hotel, my stalker was nowhere to be seen although there were few messages from him I mentioned earlier. I had moment thinking about calling him over but my gut feeling told me ‘no’, he was just too persistent, forget even whole ‘daddy ‘ issue. Floridarob claims I’m easy but I have some idiosyncrasies I observe and being too pushy or too persistent is one of them, specially when guy is of unknown quality. I even went downstairs to store nearby to buy package of loose leaf BOH tea, Malaysian brand from Cameron highlands which I found very good.
    1 point
  43. Adam Apple is open - staffed mainly by tai yai lads from Myanmar - usually around 16 or so lads on show - but due to recent police raids on bars and clubs in CM the lads are wearing shirts and shorts ( previously underwear)- there is a show which consists of cabaret and lads exhibiting their wares. A bottle of Sangsom or 100 Pipers is around 1400 1500 thb with free mixers - small beer around 270 thb. Usually no shortage of volunteers to help finish a bottle and the lads enjoy a good friendly customer. Circle Pub is also open and operates on the same style as Adams Apple. Both venues easy to get to via Grab, Maxim or Bolt or tuk tuk. The night bazaar has 3 main bars - Orion, Connections, Ram which are all in Soi 6. The latter is primarily a cabaret bar whilst Orion and Connections cater to gay clientele. There are a handful of drinking companions at both bars. and extras can be offered. It's low season now so bars have been relatively quiet. The apps - Hornet, Grindr, Blue'd are popular. Classic House massage is well worth a visit and the management also.provides tour guide services - Woody is your man. So many eating possibilities in CM as well as coffee shops. Nothing better than a visit to the lake at Huay Taeng Tao with a couple of lads , sitting on a bamboo platform eating fried fish and drinking Leo. Or better still an overnighter on a houseboat with company on Mae Gnat Dam.
    1 point
  44. Hi guys, I'm on the plane heading back to London with 11 hours to kill so thought I'd use the time to share my thoughts on my first ever trip to Brasil. I hope it proves useful to someone who may soon be going for the first time, or anyone who cares to read it. Sorry if it's a bit long-winded but feel free to stop reading if you lose interest haha! For context I spent 5 days in SP and 4 days in Rio. Consider this trip an early 30th birthday present to myself lol. Sao Paulo Arriving in Guarulhous was straight-forward and without issue. Despite countless Taxi offers, I couldn't resist paying 4.40 reals for a train ticket to downtown Paulista. Plus the weather was great and I got to see the surroundings. FYI, the ticket offices for the metro only take cash or Brazilian debit cards. On average Brazilians are much better looking than your average westerner (no offence) and within an hour of landing I was already drooling over some heavenly specimens. l don't know if its the genes, the food, the weather, the mix of indingenous cultures or all of the above, but they"re clearly doing something right. Alot of Brazilians also seem to have very good teeth, both natural and veneers. After checking in to my airbnb in Avenida Paulista, I took a shower and explored the local surroundings. In the sunshine Paulista Avenue really is a sight to behold. I'd made prior arrangements with a hunk from garotolocal, potentially risky I know, but along with all the positive reviews and the security measures at the Airbnb I decided to go for it. Despite not having any issues myself, I would recommend sticking to saunas initially until you have some trustworthy connections. A few Brazilians here told me about the potential risks of using sites, even trusted ones. If you must use sites, check reviews, instagram, only fans, etc for evidence of an online presence. I booked an airbnb that was ok with visitors so I would have no awkward issues. Being super paranoid, I also removed any potentially dangerous items out of sight - sharp cooking utensils, irons, broomsticks etc I would also recommend hiding your passport and other belongings or putting them in a safe if available. I also let the garoto know beforehand that the apartement has security and is full of cameras for both our protection just in case they try anything dodgy. Security out of the way, Mr X arrives. Beautifully proportioned muscular frame with tanned caramel skin, arms and pecs bulging through his tight army tshirt. He was perfect for me as I'm into muscle but not overblown steroid-type muscle e.g. Simeon Panda or The Rock etc. He slowly removes his shirt to expose the perfect amount of chest fuzz before moving closer to touch me, what a sight to behold. I won't go into the nitty gritty but let's just say it was a good first night haha. To make it even better, he accepts card! FYI the Pound GBP £ goes a veryyy long way here, I think it's around 6 reais to 1. And that's with the pound being weak at the minute. I would highly recommend Chase banking as they guarantee the mastercard rate of exchange on all card payments, as well as 1% cashback on all purchases, no withdrawal fees either although some Brazilian banks will charge you a small amount. Also FYI, if you're going to be 'passivo', make sure its clean down there as I've noticed a fair few Brazilian GPs have a habit of checking the condom after sex haha. Brazilians in general tend to be very clean and hygienic, the ones I came across at least. All of them to smell great and use mouthwash etc, especially if they smoke. The next day after doing a few touristy bits, I decided to head to Lagoa. If you're a foody and enjoy the arts, culture, restaurants, bars, museums etc then you really cannot beat SP. I enjoy sex but it wasn't the only reason for my visit to Brasil. Beyond Paulisita, SP is not the most aesthetically pleasing city but its full of charm and has something unique to do around every corner. I wouldn't have it any other way. Check out Ibirapuera park on a satuday morning/afternoon to see lots of white topless, hunky, sweaty middle-class brasilians going for a morning run lmao. I was really nervous heading into Lagoa as I'd never been to any kind of sauna before and had no idea what to expect. I got changed into a towel and began to explore. At first it wasn't explicity obvious to me who was a GP and who wasn't (except for the guys stroking their dicks in a corner for all to see). Without trying to brag - I promise - I am in pretty decent shape and was approached by guys who either thought I was a GP, or they knew I was a client like them but wanted to try their luck regardless. And to be fair, there were some sexy customers too! Next tip, as you probably know, learn some portuguese before you come here, at least the basics. Ideally, invest in a language course, I definitely will get some lessons before my next trip. I can't emphasise this enough, especially for emergencies as google translate may not always be available, nor will it always be safe to pull your phone out. English really does not cut it here in around 85% of situations. I am by no means fluent but I spent about 3 weeks beforehand learning the basics. I do speak French so this was a massive help in terms of vocab and sentence structure etc, lots of words are very similar. Knowing Spanish is better than knowing English, but again invest in learning portuguese. Plus, I get the vibe Brazilians don't really like it when you expect them to speak Spanish - so yeah, learn Portuguese. It will also make your experience 10x more enjoyable. In terms of Lagoa, due to previous posts on here I had lowered my expectations. However as it was my first time I had nothing to compare it to and went with an open mind. I was pleasantly surprised, there was a mix of everything from muscular brazilian jocks, to bodybuilders on steroids to athletic swimmer body guy next door types, to slim twinks. There really was something for everyone. If you're into pure muscle then it doesn't beat 117 in Rio (will discuss Rio in a separate post hopefully) but you'll still find a few decent studs here to make it worthwhile. I am quite shy and had no intention of approaching anyone. The best I could muster was a smile and an extended gaze when walking past someone hot. I got myself a drink and made my way upstairs and awkwardly sat in a small side area where some straight porn was playing on a big-screen TV. One or two average GPs approached but I politely declined. Then after about 15 minutes, I made eye contact with a stunning muscular beauty, dark brown maroon skin, about 6 ft 2, looks around 25 - 30 years old, abs with some fur that could literally grate cheese, beefy pecs that you could squeeze and kiss for eternity, perfectly proportioned arms - amazing. For me this was the peak of muscular beauty - not too steroidy - just right. My absolute limit would be Joao Humberto, the gogo dancer who frequents Lagoa, even though he is clearly juicing I still find him insanely sexy. After making eye contact with the guy and smiling, he smiles back and comes to sit next to me. He doesn't actually say anything initially for about 2 minutes. I work out that we're both quite shy. After a couple of minutes he speaks.... 'how are you doing?'... in English. Either he knows I'm a foreigner or he's overheard me speaking broken portuguese somewhere in the sauna lmao. We chat for around 5 minutes with a mix of basic english, portuguese and google translate. Then the moment of truth, he starts bouncing his bulging pecs and asks me if I like what I see. I was sold at this point and there was no going back. This guy is very smooth. Some Brazilians guys really are naturally very charming. He is top and asks for 200 reals. I agree without hesitation and we make our way to a room. Again I'll leave the nitty gritty to your imagination but lets just say he took my number and we had another a session the following day haha Brazil really is amazing! After the session he heads home as he has a fair way to go. I go back to the bar feeling a bit more relaxed. I'm approached by an athletic mixed guy, not my type at all but he's persistent and I'm happy to entertain his chat. Btw I am being deliberately vague as to the personal details of the guys purely out of respect and their discretion. Long story short, me and the guy end up chatting for about an hour like two old friends. We're of a similar age and have similar interests. He's actually straight and only does sauna work to help support his family. I tell him that we're buddies and a programa isn't going to happen but I give him some money to help him out with some personal things. We exchange numbers and he becomes my defacto tour guide of SP over the next few days. He even drives me to a (straight) whorehouse in downtown Republica, very seedy lol. Be very careful if you go to Republica in the evening, or even getting into cars of unknown people. I took a risk here. I hate labels but if we have to use one, you could call me bisexual. We both enjoy the same girl at the brothel for only 40 reais each. A cute carioca from Rio with a big bunda (ass)! Another word of caution, especially in the context of GPs both inside and outside the sauna, they will always have a sob story and will continue to beg for your financial aid. It did become really onerous (especially in Rio) so just be careful and don't let people take advantage of you. I had to block one or two GPs from Rio because the begging just got more and more ridiculous, not to mention rude. It was clear they were only interested in money. A part of me feels sorry for them as life is tough over there. I went to a friend's place in Ipanema and his living conditions honestly broke my heart. I believe he was paying alot per month for the luxury of a shoe-box room with a shared bathroom and toilet. Tbf the view of Ipanema beach was great. I'm told by Brazilians that the average monthtly salary in Brazil is around 1000 to 1500 reals for blue collar work, and around 3000 reals for a working professional. Lots of them seem to have side hustles to supplement their income. From a money perspective we in the west sometimes don't realise just how fortunate we are. On the other hand, there is a correct way of asking for things - to be clear I have no issue helping out GPs in genuine need if it's done with respect and good grace - don't take the piss and try to take advantage of me. Any decent GP asking for money outside of their services will do so respectfully and is often embarrased to ask. They'll often say something like 'i'd appreciate anything you can help me with for X reason etc' In terms of GPs, I made some amazing new connections/friends in Brazil but only a small minority of these are not underpinned by a financial dynamic. Yes you can get free sex online, at bars, beaches etc but obviously its way more effort and is not guaranteed. Furthermore, I am told (by Brazilians) that Grindr in Brazil is becoming increasingly dangerous so again be careful using it. The following day and another trip to Lagoa - after some more touristy stuff. This time I've got my GP buddy with me as a wingman haha. Obviously I will tip him lol. Today I take a seat in the bar and watch some football (soccer) on the big screen upstairs. Brazil's under 21s are playing. I nip downstairs quickly to check something in my locker when I see the most delicious slice of white Brazilian hunk known to man. About 6 ft 1, massive shoulders, pecs, arms, creamy white skin and big full juicy red nipples, no signs of steroid use, what more could you ask for? His face isn't the best in the world but for that body I honestly don't care. We make brief eye contact but he seems to be chatting to another client. For now, he is the only guy on my radar. It's about 9pm and a few minutes later I see him putting his clothes back on in the changing room, my heart sinks as I think he's leaving. I head back upstairs to meet my GP buddy who seems to be struggling for clients recently. I tell him about the GP downstairs and he jets off to try and help me out. A few minutes later, my buddy comes back with the white hunk who could rival Hercules himself, my heart is racing. 'Obrigao irmao' I whisper to my wingman and tip him 50Reals. Hercules pulls me to one side and begins to chat in portuguese, I do my best to understand him but google translator is definitely needed. After brief small talk, I ask him how much he wants. '300?' he replies. I was hoping for less but no way was I about to negociate with this hunk and risk losing him. I agree and we head off to a cabin. The sex is decent, not amazing but it fulfills my fantasy of the hunky white personal trainer at the gym I've always wanted to bang. He's also a good kisser, as are all the Brazilian guys Ive been with, even the ones who are straight/Bi/top only etc. After a steamy session he tells me about his life and we discuss the gap between rich and poor in Brazil. He asks me if I'll be back tomorrow to which I reply 'yeah I should be' even though I was undecided at that point. We bid each other farewell and he leaves Lagoa for the night. After my encounter with Hercules, My GP buddy comes back to greet me. I thank him again for helping me out and we have a chat about gogo boys. He says it is possible to get one if you know the right people and he seems to be confident he can arrange it for me if the specific gogo boy was at the sauna. Other GPs also told me that gogo dancers are available for programas if approached discreetly and in the right way, but it goes without saying you will pay more. I did try contacting one or two on instagram but they have so many followers it's tricky getting them to even see your message. Alas, my dream of bedding Joao Humberto or Lipe remains alive, hopefully next time now that I have my wingman and some new tips. The following day, I'm all sexed out and I needed to get Ready for Rio. A GP/friend (a guy from a site i'd met a couple days ago for a quick session - yes risky I know) invited me to his place to smoke some weed in Vila Madalena. Under no circumstances would I ever suggest going back to a guy's place in Brazil unless you are 100% sure you know them well, especially in light of recent events at 117 in Rio. In hindsight this was probably a lapse of judgement but ironically this GP is now one of my few genuine friends where money doesn't dictate our relationship. He did have ID the first time I saw him and has a stable job, after sex we ended up speaking like old friends for hours. I trusted him somewhat then but now I trust him completely and we've made plans to travel to other parts of Brazil together next time. But I reiterate, under no circumstances should you go back to a guy's place unless you are 100% sure they can be trusted or you know them very well. It's just not worth taking the risk. Furthermore, make sure their building has security cameras and a concierge. I'm not really a smoker, but we had some weed at his place, some drinks and a bit of foreplay all before I headed off to the coach station to catch a bus to Rio! Another word of caution, there are young guys on Avenida Paulista riding around on bicyles stealing phones, bags, hats etc. I saw it happen to a gringo right outside Mcdonalds so be sure to keep your valuables out of sight and secure. I used a fanny pack which works pretty well. If you really need to use your phone, e.g. to check on an uber etc - do it quickly and keep your wits about you, ideally go into a shop, restaurant, shopping area etc. If none of these are nearby then stand up against a wall so you have no blindspots. You will get into the habit of being careful with your phone in Brazil. It's such a contrast to London or other big western cities where you can safely be on your phone at every given moment in practically any given location. Most places take card but I would recommend having some cash to hand, especially because ATM/cash machines in SP are few and far between and they tend to close around 8pm (the ones inside the banks). Also most GPs only take Cash or PIX ( a Brazilian money transfer service which only Brasilians can use). Lastly, unless you want to destroy your Uber rating, don't slam the Uber doors lmao. The Ubers are also dirttt cheap out there. To sum up, I had a blast in SP and will defo be back either this year or early next year God willing. I hope somebody finds this report useful, when I get some time I will try and do one for Rio. Currently waiting for a connecting flight to London in Lisboa, damn they have some seriously hot Portuguese immigration officers here haha.
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  45. Now that makes me think of a visit to SR before october.
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  46. iendo

    It's oh so quiet!

    Amazing how quiet it is here. Could it be that most people are planning a trip to Thailand this winter? I just got back from Pattaya a few days ago and couldn't wait to leave. Taking all things in consideration, I didn't like it. My trip to Colombia has been pushed forward a week (by me) and I am really curious if I will enjoy it more than I did Thailand. I will celebrate new year in Medellín. When I get back, I'll write a report about both trips. I tried to write one about Thailand, but I have no clue what happened. Is it me or is Thailand not interesting for me anymore... Anyway, I'll be in Medellín for the whole month of January. If someone wants to go for a coffee or a beer, let me know. I am meeting some other foreigners too.
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  47. paid the 20 yro pool boy 100 pesos to wash my bike with no shirt. he was very happy.
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  48. Olddaddy

    Seeking for advices

    The only thing is you will have to look for it ,unlike Pattaya,Either Grindr or going out to meet boys, so it doesnt suit a lazy person or under confidence person,I'm a introvert but I still did it I love all the top guys the Phillipines has There is gay sauna in Manila But go out and meet guys ,best way like I did is ask guys especially those without a shirt on for a picture with you ,slip them 100 pesos , give them your card with a number Get cards printed with your number I was gang fucked in Gensan by 4 young dark skin factory boys from 19yo to 23 all came inside me ,I think I paid 3000 pesos all 4 of them plus alcohol ,my bf did get them for me though , I had a sign on me CUMDUMP and my bf took pics as they were fucking me , all took Viagra , I also had much free sex from Grindr mostly straighttradies with Hilux utes
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  49. Use the same common sense precautions you would use at home. If you do not feel safe, do not do it. I have never hired anyone from vivalocal, but I have hired guys from saunas and my network who do advertise in the site. If you do not have a local network, sauna boys are your best resource. Even those you are not interested in, will go the extra mile to connect you to their friends you do want to hire. Be straightforward and honest. When I arrive to a sauna and the first boys heading on me are not hiring material, I do not reject them. I tell them candidly that I am not interested in a programa but we can share a drink or a snack. Most of them are very talkative and, although there are cliques, helpful and supportive to each other. You just describe them your type, or tag another boy at glance, and they will serve him to you. Before my trip to Salvador, I researched vivalocal and the local escorts websites to have a Plan B in case saunas failed. I never needed to use those saved Plan B links. The last year I was once in Salvador and twice in Rio, never had to use Internet to hire. Do have your Grindr and Scruff ready, in case you do not want to spend money. Sex with no pay is abundant. Although I am 57 years old and over weighted, and do not change my profile when I travel (I have no mention of being "generous" in my hook up apps), I am much, much more successful in Brazil and in Argentina tan I am in the USA.
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