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Sunday ( Day 8 ) - Moonlight was choice of venue to visit. 450 baht entry for one drink. Payment at entrance. I paid with a 1000-baht note and the staff returned 550 baht in the form of prepared neatly folded 50 baht and 100 baht notes. Very clever and thoughtful way for customer to be ready with 100 baht notes to give tips inside the bar. About 30 customers for 10.30pm show. Group of 6 Koreans had a bottle of whisky to share drinks among themselves. Front row had two pairs consisting of farang customers and their Asian guys (from other bars) and also one pair of Asian customers in 50s whom I saw at Hotmale the previous night. At back seats, there was one pair of European male customers and 3 separate small groups of Chinese/Taiwanese customers (about 3 or 4 each) all with individual drinks. Only one other single punter like me - Asian in 60s and seated near me at back. All were here for show and no one invited any guy down from stage for drinks despite mamasans encouragement to cajole us. About 25 guys in black topless Moonlight T-shirt and black sweat pants on rotation on stage. Red number tags on their pants. Some are really handsome, most are next-door-types who have been dolled up. Not as model-looking as Jupiter but also not as rough as Hotmale and not as old as Dreamboys. I noticed one tall guy previously from Jupiter. Show started late at 10.45pm. Only 3 Moonlight models performing tonight- Tam, Nut and Mark. Tam had an impressive James Bond performance involving green lasers. Nut and Mark did towel number and there was slight glimpse of their pubes at finale. Nut and Mark also did matador and bull erotic dance. A lipsynching diva ladyboy also performed, alternating with the models. During model presentation after show, Jack and Jar came down with Tam, Nut and Mark. And there was a 6th model - a farang with distinctive tattoos on the entire left side of his body but no tattoo on right side. Muscular body and defined abs. His name was Mr Ryan. Awkward moment when the emcee asked whether anyone wanted to give 1000 baht garlands. Two mamasans went around holding garlands to ask customers. Unresponsive crowd. Finally one Chinese customer passed a mamasan six 100-baht notes to give to each model on stage. Models did get their tips eventually at last performance - the Boom Shake number where they danced close to customers. Customers freely gave out 100 baht and even 200 baht tips to models when they were up close to them. I think they preferred to pass them the money themselves. However, only 4 models appeared and did the dance - Tam, Nut, Mark and Jar (even though he seemed self-conscious of his dancing). Jack didn't dance and neither did guest model Mr Ryan so no tips for them. Show ended at 11.45pm. One hour as advertised. Two singers (one male and one female) started singing and the non-model Moonlight guys stood behind them and smiling to customers. I like this format compared to making them just stand and move in rotation like in other gogo bars. Close to midnight, a group of 3 male and 3 lady young Asian customers came in. They were here to drink only and listen to singers. They ordered bottles of wine and invited two Moonlight guys to drink with them. They left after half an hour and most of the customers had gone by then. I was second last to leave and only a group of 3 Asian customers was left at 12.30am.

After being a top all my life I decided to become a bottom about a decade ago. I did so not because I couldn't get it up, but because I had always thought I had been missing out on something - afterall, the guys I was fucking were obviously enjoying the experience. I wanted to know why. I found the whole idea a little daunting, but took the advice of a friend on one of the forums and practised every day with a dildo, starting with a small one and then gradually increasing the size. I had my first experience as a bottom in a sauna in Japan. I found the sensation weird, but in a good way. On a subsequent trip to Thailand I find myself completely liberated when dealing with the guys. No more worrying if the guy would bottom for me - if he wouldn't, then I would. The will he/won't he dilemma disappeared and I could choose any guy I liked the look of. I then took my ass up to Chiang Mai to test it out with the hung hunks at Adams Apple. It passed with flying colours - I was able to "accommodate" some very large appendages. Now, if I'm going to bottom, I want a big cock to service me. And of course, the more I bottomed the easier it was to take a cock without any pain. But if I go without bottoming for any significant period of time, it can be a little painful for the first few times until I get back into it. (Actually, until he gets back into it!) Back in April I had to take myself to hospital in Bangkok and see a urologist, who diagnosed me with an enlarged prostate. He put me on a drug called tamsulosin. Suddenly I find myself waking up with a hard-on in the middle of the night. My erections now are stronger and last much longer. This comes as no surprise as the doctor told me that tadalafil - the ED drug - is also used in the treatment for an enlarged prostate. Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone!

I have had similar thoughts though 'terrified' might not be the word I would use. I once chatted with and liked a guy in Tawan, but I remember, quite vividly, hesitating over the off when he told me he had been bulking up in the weeks before, but it was hard work etc etc, and he "only" weighed 98 kilos. And then I pictured a scene of 98 kilos on top of me and I couldn't breathe. But my (admittedly not too numerous) experiences with Tawan boys have been good. They're easy going and even a bit docile in the room. I made 98 kilos promise not to lie atop me. He kept his promise. Macaroni is still alive, and here to tell.

nothing wrong with neither of you four gentlemen. Love is sometimes turbulent

Having been in Bangkok for one week, I have visited all bars except Tawan. I am terrified of Tawan because I am small sized and afraid of being crushed by huge Tawan guys! I agree that ranking the bars is difficult because everyone has personal preference so maybe it helps to state one's preference first. For me, I like twinks and twunks. If hunks, not too big please. I like handsome faces as well. Tattoos are OK but not too many please. And lastly, I don't have budget for models who ask for 5000 baht short time. Hence, my list of bars to off a guy in Bangkok: 1) Screwboys 2) Hot Male / Banana / Freshboys 3) Jupiter / Moonlight / Dreamboys But when it comes to watching a show and just having a good time, this is my list: 1) Jupiter / Moonlight / Banana 2) Dreamboys / Hot Male / Freshboys 3) Screwboys

You will find which is the best bar for you after visiting the bars by yourself. every bar has its pros and cons .It's so subjective preference, the same bar can be amazing for one but a disaster for someone else.

The building that is Jewel Bar sold for 12 or 18 million, I can't recall. The new laundry building next to the Agate I am 80% sure it was 12 million. Testing my memory there. Not all shophouses are privately owned. The closed JQK Bar is owned by the complex, and a few others. It's a mix match of private and complex ownership. Suffice to say the rent is much lower on the privately owned ones. The bars that open and close every year or so, are almost exclusively complex owned. There is no way to make money on the 70k+ a month rent.

I will give you that. I guess it comes down to how you approach things. People who are here for a limited time with desires to fill, don't have time to be messing around. If they want a boy, they need to get him before they fly home. My use of the word vastly was because I feel if you are going to a gogo bar, you are going there for boys. It might not be everyone, but generally that's their objective. You don't go to buy a glass of wine and read a book..... Lot of people go to beer bars in Jomtien Complex for a drink and a chat with and expat friends. Some guys sit there every night alone reading, watching the world go by. There is an American guy who sits trading crypto all night, every night! I know for many, myself included, our fun is normally a late afternoon thing. Evenings are for expat friends, dining, and some drinks. If you live here, having an agenda isn't really necessary. When you have friends, regulars, boys that you know well, it's easier to just go with the flow. See what happens on any given night. - Maybe a regular you haven't seen for a while who just gambled all his money away will jump on your knee and offer you a deal you can't refuse. - Maybe a boy you haven't seen in months walks back into the complex looking hotter than ever. - Maybe you just sit and have drinks with some friends, but you organised tomorrow afternoon on LINE so no problem. I can't say I personally ever went into a gogo bar for any other reason that look for a boy to take off when I was alone. It's since changed to now sometimes going with a group of expat friends for drinks and a good time.

That's the problem....one of the lessons I learned as a newbie was that the most stunning dancers weren't necessarily the best companions....and certainly not the best in bed. If they know their value- the certainty of an off- they may provide a poorer service. What annoyed me was rushing out the door after the final act of- in my case- the comedy. A couple of times not even bothering to shower. OK, they are professionals and are there to make money but as the motto of Winchester School has it, "Manners maketh man."

Too many bottoms, there is a shortage of tops, lol

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Before my first trip to Thailand I was worned that Thailand had lots of scams and pickpockets and thefts at hotels I was so terrified in my first visit that avoid any contact with locals who only tried to be freindly, I felt the same in Colombia at my first trip just to found out that the security issue in Colombia isn't so bad as discribed and most of the Colombians are nice people and polite .If you are booking good hotels at the better upmarket areas with safety box, avoid strolling around rough neighborhoods late at night and when you are outside go with the minimum Money and credit cards you can you should be fine.

Or could be amazing and your next trip could be horrible, lol

I was right...the later it gets, the more irate and obnoxious you become (I stay Obnoxious) Riobard isn't around and I need to keep churning them out, Thank goodness you are here. I'm not picking fights, btw.....and what do I need to admit I'm wrong about??? We MAY HAVE HAD DRINKS????😝 I'm not the one that was banned here and reappeared with a new handle ....is that the "tribe" you belong too, smh I don't know who's worse us or Peter and Reader 😆

Nice boys in Pattaya I do like Winner boys but rare to find a "man " type

I consider this type of behavior i.e. when boy is offered drink , accepts it and leaves after taking sip or two , extremely rude. It happened to me at Moonlight last trip , well known and multiple times offed guy, lets call him A, asked for drink so I agreed. He took one sip and asked for permission to go for a minute to chat with other (lady) client . Minute turned to rest of the evening , till at least I was in the bar. He never returned. Since we know each other well I thought he took me too lightly. After all it was 400 baht drink not beer at 7/11 Next time there, week and half later situation repeated , he approaches me asks for drink. I agreed but told him to his red face that I expect him to sit with me until drink will be done because I did not like what happened last time. This time he did, I even tipped him but to keep balance called also other guy to wing me and offed that other guy.

Let me see if I got this straight: you’re calling someone else an old toad.

Well, as I have gotten older I find my desires have changed as well as my sexual positions. Years back I was mostly a top but now, I am mostly a bottom. I have also found that I use to love to order our daily and now I like to cook something with my BF and eat a nice dinner together. I use to love bars and parties and now, I must prefer an in-call to any other method. As we age, our desires change and so does our tolerance of things. However, I still find I am attracted to Asians and Latins above others. As I age, I also find my desire to tell members not to be petty and try to feud with each other happens more often. Like the article says, Live and Love.

Pleased to report that Boyztown is still alive and kicking ,even if they really can use more customers. Soi at 9 on Sunday evening looked quite empty with sprinkling of drinkers here and there. Went to BBB for 10.30 show and bar was packed and I mean it. Some seating is rearranged now with restaurant type long tables. Before show scene was packed with boys presenting themselves to possible takers and I counted 6 familiar, already tested faces among them. 7th was siting outside. It was nice to be recognized by them all. Unfortunately with exception of 3 (all of them from tested category as far as I 'm concerned ) rest of 3 rows deep herd was fully dressed. And no number or other identifier. So potential customer is left to his own devices as to assess boy's attractiveness. I found it strange although with 7 familiar personally I'd not have problem for at least a week. Three bare-chested but still in jeans were top of pack anyways. Audience mostly Chinese looking ,1/3 ladies, quite loudly too. Very few boys sitting with customers ,me being noble exception as I spotted old acquaintance whom I did not even expected to see there so we both were surprised in a nice way When presented with the drink now you put your name on the slip to prevent possible abuse I guess. It did not stop from me being charged for 1 drink extra. Of course I disputed right away but be warned. Real shock came after, off fee is 1000 baht and no, my guy is not in the show . I paid it but definitely that is thing to consider. No wonder my guy said customers are coming to watch but not to off. I 'm not to give any advice to business owners as they mind the till and know what they are doing ,at least I hope they do. But as far as I mind my own business ,I'd offer boy a drink at 350 and discuss meeting after hours.

Siem Reap in Cambodia. Really enjoyed it there.

Hey there! It's interesting to hear about your situation with your Filipino boyfriend and his desire to attend a gay-friendly church. I get where you're coming from regarding your skepticism about religion. It can be a tricky topic, especially when it comes to acceptance and the LGBTQ+ community. It's cool that some churches are becoming more inclusive.

this brings me to shower issue. While I never ever me Thai guy with hygiene problem recently I noticed strange practices. After showering together or separately guy excused me and locked toilet and after a while I could hear bum gun in use. Wouldn't be more logic / hygienical to do whole thing before than after shower ? I did not raise an issue but can't say I like sequence.

sometimes it's impossible and it's better to learn to live with them. I like my sister dearly but there's one issue we are fighting for last 55 years and we will never agree on it: where family friend Gene was standing in our kitchen when she told our mother she is pregnant. ( She was 19 and unmarried at the time so it was kind of sensation) I swear and never yield she was standing by radio stand, my sisters claims she was by kitchen sink and is not planning to change that in this life and three next ones. We once asked Gene to mediate but she only made more mess claiming she was sitting on the sofa in living room so we agreed she simply lies and doesn't remember anything. So from grave disagreement, amicable agreement emerged and we could return to our dispute.

A number of years ago myself and a friend were also at Cocka2 Bar and observed the same thing as gayinpattaya and had the same reaction.

Nor have I ever had a problem of this nature, though I don't leave money out due to my Sunday School teaching which abhorred tempting the young. Something about mill- stones around the neck. There are sometimes- or at least there were back in the day- when some guys were genuinely (and fearfully) hungry as were their friends. No worries about my phone; no Thai would be seen dead with my cheapo.

That certainly seems to be my experience when travelling in the region. Am I complaining?? 🤣

I do not know - and am not asking - how old you are. But as you tell us you are not retired, I am a little surprised you find getting hard (or at least suggest it might become difficult to become hard) as you get older. Certainly this is true for some guys, especially those who might have medical issues. Since the brain plays a part in erections, I very occasionally used to find it hard (sic) to get hard. I once tried viagra and decided never to use it again. I found the blood pulsating in my temples very prominently and did not enjoy it. On the other hand, after a friend recommended cialis, I never had a problem. I use it rarely but whenever I do it works a treat - and goes on working for at least the 36 hours the makers claim. I have never felt a need to be a bottom and the guys I am with, including my partner, do not wish me to change from being a top.

Thank you @reader. I have written you a PM in the hope of resolving our differences.

Trying this out when my prescription arrives by mail this week. Sounded interesting so I looked up the manufacturer and did a Telehealth visit online questionnaire

Why are you paying Thai Baht in Australia

Is this it?

Paradise Complex in Patong Beach had golden era a decay start 1999 I think, with lots of bars and boys to choose from ,because it's the most expensive area in Thailand it used to attract the most beautiful Thai boys to work there especially in the high seasons , there were lots of gay accommodation options in Paradise Complex and I had lots of fun. nowadays it's almost a ghost town. I agree with Vinapu BKK and Pattaya are better options and if one nev been in Phuket maybe considering a long-term boy from BKK or Pattaya to travel with to Phuket.

My newest boyfriend: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ (if you add HTuI4HzlIwM after the backslash, you should get the link to work. If it fails, that probably means the video got deleted). It is AMAZING to me the number of young men and women who are using YouTube to sexually titillate an audience. There are a huge number of videos on YouTube that are sneaking in and bypassing the moderation algorithm, especially in Shorts. Even more shocking to me, the number of young male Muslims in Muslim countries using YouTube to show off their hefty, Middle Eastern endowments. Some of the "tubewell" videos out of Pakistan are extremely revealing. Clearly, many of these men are of questionable age, showing off their erections under wet, white cotton fabric, and offering their WhatsApp number. They don't speak a word of English, but they seem to know what callers want. They have discovered that sex sells, and probably does better than opium.

There's no such thing like best bar. First, your criteria what constitutes 'best' may not necessarily correspond with somebody else's . The same goes with quality boys. What that really means ? Some may be looking for face , others for cuteness, other still for lack of tattoo, disk size, bushy or shaved pubes etc. Sex performance? again what's that? Great l top may be lousy or most likely , not existing, bottom. Drinks are pretty uniformly priced at 400-500 and off fees are 500 with exception of models at Moonlight where it's 1000. Even if you ask what is members favorite bar and why you may get whole list as different people are looking for different things.

I tend to be more relax with tipping. Just one simple rule, if i like the guy and want to see him again, ill tip. This apply to very helpful mamasan, cute waiter, cute singer, cute barker outside, cute bartender, well u get the idea. Tipping for me is to indicate i appreciate and like them, for whatever service they provided me. I dont tip rude and or pushy mamasan, guys im not interested in, guys who sits near me uninvited and not my type, waiter just for doing their job i.e brings my order and nothing else etc. I dont drink, so i rarely in position to open a bottle, but on one occassion, i did, won a bottle at a lucky draw during one of the bar anniversary, and i tip the waiter and mamasan who had been serving our table, drinking shots and chatting and having fun with us. I didnt call boys since im already with two boys from other place. Those two boys, i also tipped them afterward for joining me for the bar visit, though one of them refuse my tips, since he isnt a money boy. But even then, i did tipped him extra the next day i met him at his work. As for how much, this also correlate with how much i like the guy and how much likely ill be seeing the guy again, of course within reason aka, what the agreed tip + some. This also depends on my mood too, which usually due to the service i received but sometimes due to external factors too. There is one time i actually just called guys from jupiter to sit with me, order drinks for him and clearly told him im not taking him. I did this with 3 guys in a row, just to see how they are reacting. Its a fun experiment, and out of the 3, 2 actually stays with me and enjoy my company, while one obviously couldnt wait to be away from me, probably to get to a diff customer who will off him. I dont blame him, but somehow mamasan saw this and scold him and ask him to stay sit with me, at least until his drink is finished. In this scenario, i didnt tip him, but tip the mamasan instead. The other two boys did get tips from me. The last one actually gets higher tip as there was touchy feely happening lol

certainly if the new government manages to outlaw recreational use there will be some big changes

If I call boy down for a drink it means either I'm serious about offing him, either today or in day or two and want to secure him or for old times sake. In first case If we settle on an off I don't tip as he will received one in the room. If we don't agree on terms for whatever reason yes , I would tip him but certainly will be trying to use his presence to at least hand his hand or embrace him for a moment. If it's for old times sake then the same applies , tip for a feel, although not necessarily for a feel THERE

I do.

This is true. Not just still photographs, but videos as well. I found most were fascinating to see. A small amount of material could be labeled disturbing, with a questionable purpose. It never lasted very long on the site. I'm a bit on the liberal side when it comes to defining "inappropriate." Way too many people in America get hysterical about certain "taboos." The religious right in America is mostly about CONTROL. They desire to control your behavior, while they remain free to do as they wish. Total hypocrites, who should go fuck themselves. I remember well my early teen years. I remember many early encounters, throughout puberty, with guys over 18. Many horny, equally curious cousins. It felt perfectly natural to me to explore my sexual feelings, curiosities, and basic knowledge with guys who were older and more experienced. I valued the lessons I learned. These lessons helped me become a better man. Don't get me wrong, I know the difference between good and evil intent. And I know that some lines should never be crossed. But I don't like hard barriers or religious, control-freak zealots, attempting to control my behavior. Some laws go too far, and deserve to be questioned. Moderation is not easy, especially good moderation. Ask Oz. And when defending against potential lawsuits, it can get very expensive. I don't know any facts from the inside, but it seems moderation was not the problem. Deletions were constant. Always complaints about photos and videos being deleted, often for no apparent reason. Certainly no reason provided to users. As always, it seems the main problem was money. Not enough users, not enough ad revenue. This surprised me. Although the lack of money did at times affect the user-interface, the site almost always worked for me. However, I am on newer Apple hardware. What always surprised me most was the ultra-modern content, not seen for free anywhere else. Much of the video content was created with the latest technology. Some of the amateur porn looked utterly amazing. And many of the guys were hot, hot, hot. There seem to be an endless supply of young men around the world who love to film themselves while giving themselves sexual pleasure. What a wonderful thing. This visual education should be rejoiced. A healthy sex life is very important. Every aspect of education is worth something.

I personally don't tip just for sitting with me and having drink on me but always do tip when get more touchy feely- not necessarily in nether regions even. My reasoning is if I do to them something out of ordinary like hand holding or embracing they should be compensated for me invading their personal space. More personal invasion results in bigger tips.

when somebody mentions that I always feel under obligation to say something mainly because I rarely spend a night in Thailand alone. (Scandalously though it happened to me on last last full night of recently finished trip) While your advice is valid my experience is not too worry at all. I keep excess money in safe but never hide anything when hosting a guy, either known or new to me. Phone is on the table and so it tablet, shirt and shorts stuffed with some money always in plain view and never ever had anything missing other than occasional drink taken and consumed from mini-bar without asking for permission - and even that happens , say , once per trip. I think one of attraction of Thai boys for me is exactly that - I don't need to worry about my money nor belongings. And yes, true to old saying ' trust and control" I count money in my pockets at least twice a day and reconcile if there's difference. Never debit after guy left though

Orange were on sale perhaps. I don't like green colour on clothes and yet for years world saw me in green parka . Why?, only green was on sale at 50% off. Tempting for piece for garment costing 300$ and this was 20 years ago

One small thing that no one has said yet. If you take a guy back to your room, be mindful of your belongings. I have never had a bad experience, but I'm the paranoid type that keeps things like my iPad and laptop in the safe and will even bring my wallet into the bathroom with me if I'm showering alone (god forbid.) This should also apply while sleeping. Leave your wallet and any other belongings in the safe if you're bringing a guy back for long term. Speaking of long term, it helps to clarify what that means (learned this from @vinapu.) Don't be shy to say that long term means sex in the morning too and going to breakfast with you if that's what you want. Always get clear on operational definitions. If you're meeting guys from Grindr, be very clear about your preferences for chem/drug sex. I'm vehemently against it, and the worst experience I ever had was a guy smoking some sort of drug in my room and offering me a "candy" (which thankfully I was wise enough in the moment to know was probably laced with something and said no.) Anything drug related is my worst nightmare. Hmmm..there will be times you will be disappointed unfortunately. My very first off was a disappointment in bed, though we had been talking for hours beforehand and it was early hours, so I forgave him and now he's a legitimate friend of mine who I adore. There are so many variables that can affect performance, and you have to find the right balance between being a compassionate human versus a paying customer when a guy is unable to perform. I'll admit I'm a bit of a pushover. My last Bangkok trip, one guy tried his hardest to perform, but just couldn't. I still paid him because he really was trying his best. In the end, I think he had a drug problem, and he died like two months after I met him. 😭 Remember, this is just fantasy for the most part. While there are stories of falling in love, it's not the norm. Guys will tell you they love you and will ask you for cash because of any number of reasons either real or made up. You have to live in the fantasy and enjoy it (don't always be stoic), but then be able to snap back to reality. Don't be so moved by the barrage of messages and cute emojis you receive. It's mainly all business to them and it's not worth it to get lost in the What Ifs?? Everyone has different styles. Some like to get in (or never even go to the bar at all) and get out. Others like to buy a bottle, enjoy the night, do a chemistry test with the guys along with stolen touches and flirting. I suggest you do both if budget allows. Some guys can only keep up the charade of showing interest for a little bit, and others know how to keep it going and charm you. This could be a good test of what bedroom experience will be like. I Am sure I could write more, but I'll end with saying don't forget the small things. If you go to Moonlight, chat with Paul. He's a genuinely great guy and fun conversationalist. Sit at HotMale beer bar and don't be afraid to engage the cute bartenders in conversation. It's so easy to focus on the sex, but some of my most memorable moments have been with the colorful people (the owner at Gs Bangkok also a good example) that make the city special and like a second home for many of us.

We all have choices. You could do as I did (although I did it for business reasons), leave Europe and resettle somewhere in Asia. Not easy to do, I know, but it's surely a question of priorities. What is more important to you? A nice apartment/house in The Netherlands, a decent job (I assume), healthcare (I assume), pension to follow etc. or a plethora of gay venues and an abundance of young gay Asian men? As a UK citizen, when I start to draw down my pension the amount is frozen for all time - even if as recently inflation has been around 10%. I paid all the contributions up to age 62 (the maximum) to give me continuing access to the UK National Health Service. That benefit has now been withdrawn. But I choose to continue living in Asia. Just a thought. Is there no possibility of finding a nice young Asian boyfriend in the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe and prepared to relocate to The Netherlands? I have a friend who will soon relocate to Munich for a post-graduate degree. He wants to find a nice middle-aged man there and has started looking on apps. There must surely be Asian students in The Netherlands? No?

Yes it is allowed. Woke is only sensitive for non-white steroetypes. Since farang = white western male it is allowed. You can even call them racist, evil etc. All allowed. Of course not allowed for any other race/gender.

Why do you always get assumptions about what i write wrong and then misquote? Point 1. You accuse me of "being old and trying to share my wisdom with others. He'll, man, you do that all the time." Response. My age is nothing to do with you and you have no idea of my exact age. Yes, I do try to share wisdom (if by that you mean knowledge) with others and I enjoy doing that. Given the number of 'likes' these posts attract, clearly this "wisdom" is appreciated by many. No doubt they are in considerably greater number than the likes you receive for your cut and paste news articles. But then you have said you enjoy posting these. Surprise! I also enjoy making my posts! You are not alone! And since you clearly have some reason for disliking what I write, why do you even bother reading my posts? I am not going to cease writing about my travels and others issues that i hope may be of interest to more than a few members here. So you had better get used to it. Point 2. You accuse me of accusing that expat of "spouting drivel". Response. What rubbish! Do you not read responses to your own threads? I was merely quoting @gayinpattaya's response to your post! Since you have clearly forgotten what he wrote, this is the relevant post. Oh, and you forgot that @gayinpattaya called him "offensive". Is that not important to you? Point 3. You accuse me of discussing the "evils" of a poster on another chat room. Response. I was not persuading you of the "evils" of anyone by trying to persuade us of the evils another old man is sharing on some mystery website you follow Why do you have to make things up? I was again responding to a post by another member here @Londoner and in particular a man he had met in Pattaya whose wife had just died and turned to gay young men for companionship. That was the starting point of my response. The issue of how often I look at that other chat room is yet another of your assuptions that are wrong. I do not follow it. Inever stated anywhere that I follow it. In fact I visit it only occasionally as I have pointed out in another post. And I visit the site for its Travel section! Since you now criticise almost everything I write, perhaps you will put a warning sticker on your next complaint so that those with absolutely no interest in your nonsense can avoid it.

More than a decade ago there was a post here about a famous suicide/murder in Hong Kong that reverberated through the gay community and how the general community reacted to it. Given the interest that has been expressed in a thread recently in learning more about the gay history of Bangkok, I thought some might find an expanded version of the events in January 1980 in Hong Kong of interest. This long article was written by a prominent gay expat journalist and author based in Hong Kong for several decades. Before he sadly died, he asked me to assist him with some research for the following article which he hoped would be published in one of the international gay magazines. It was written in mid-2019 to commemorate the events of mid-January 2020. Sadly no magazine was interested. So the article was expanded to its present form. It illustrates a number of issues - police corruption in Hong Kong (almost worse than here in Thailand), major official attempts to root out homosexuality, the confusion between pedophilia and homosexuality . . . and how it was that the 19th century British colonial law making sodomy between men illegal came finally to be repealed in 1991. Unfortunately, this is not posted on any website so I have to post the full article. Given its length, I will split the article into several posts. Was It Suicide? Was It Murder? Whatever The Facts, It Changed Hong Kong’s mid-1800s Anti-Gay Law Forever Introduction A young Special Unit detective is found, fatally shot five times in his abdomen, the night before he is to appear in court on a charge of abusing a teenage boy. His hometown girlfriend was planning to join him in his distant posting for their announcement of engagement to marry. Neither she nor his family could accept the suicide report or homosexual slanders about him. His drinking and partying friends in the police force also refused to believe that he was a closet homosexual or paedophile. The suspicious death of an overly curious detective prompted a seemingly endless stream of scandalous reports, manipulated official inquiries, and revelations reaching the top heights of the Government and its police force. But might the detective also have been a closet gay? Was he also a secret spy for the federal police authorities? Was the local government covering up hidden affairs in its own ranks? Was the community suddenly made aware of a host of expatriates in senior positions who had to hide their emotional attachments to younger Chinese men? Those five bullets in an abdomen ricocheted through a community rife with corruption, prostitution, racism, political uncertainty and exploitation. Nothing was what it appeared to be ... or what people wanted to believe. The Death On the morning of January 15 1980, five gunshots rang out. In bustling, over-populated Kowloon preparing for the day ahead, no one seemed to hear those shots above the noise of the rush hour traffic below. In the source of the shots, a government flat, a young expatriate police inspector lay dead in his bedroom. It was a scene reminiscent of an Agatha Christie or John Le Carre novel. Five bullets had pierced his body – but not his heart or head. A police revolver lay by his side. Allegedly the door and windows to the room were all securely locked from the inside. Had anyone taken a snapshot of that body, the conclusion would almost certainly have been one of murder. As the events leading up to this death ever so gradually became public knowledge, they were to resound for years and lead to the uncovering of a secret world where the gleaming, glistening facade of prosperous Hong Kong would be shown to be no more than surface deep. As layer upon layer of the undergrowth was exposed, an incredulous public was shocked. No one on that January morning realised it at the time, but these events would ultimately lead to a change in a law that had been on the statute books for more than 100 years. Gay men would finally be able to lead much more open lives. Background Under British rule following the two Opium Wars in 1841 and 1860, Hong Kong in 1980 with its 236 islands and the Kowloon Peninsula is situated on the southern mainland of a China that is just starting to recover from the murderous decade of the Cultural Revolution. That decade from 1965 had all but destroyed the very fabric of Chinese society, its education and legal systems and, above all, the family unit. Hong Kong’s economy had for some decades been built by and expanded through immigrant labour from China. Its population had grown from 600,000 after World War II to over four million by 1966. After the Cultural Revolution, the stream of migrants increased. By 1980 the number of small shantytowns visible on many Hong Kong hillsides had increased. To accommodate the inflow, the Hong Kong government commenced what at the time was the largest urban development programme in the world, creating vast new housing estates and four New Towns that would each eventually accommodate over 500,000 people. With a land area of just over 400 square miles, Hong Kong was the most densely populated part of the planet. By the 1970s, Hong Kong’s economy was in transition from a “sweat shop” producing cheap goods for export to an international centre of trade and finance. Hong Kong’s freewheeling capitalist economy was attracting much international praise and investment. Local Chinese entrepreneurs who had hitherto headed small to medium scale companies began to take over long-established international British colonial conglomerates (known locally as “hongs”). Criminal Activity in Hong Kong Underneath its glittering surface, though, there was much the world did not see and which the all-powerful British colonial administration did not want it to see. The Hong Kong Governor, always British and usually a senior civil servant who had spent time in Beijing, was appointed by the United Kingdom. He wielded far more authority than the British Prime Minister. Hong Kong’s legal system was based on British Common Law. Maintaining order in the British colony (the British preferred to call it “Territory” whereas the Chinese claimed it was “Chinese Territory temporarily under the control of the British”) was the Royal Hong Kong Police (RHKP), a large body of Chinese whose senior officers were almost exclusively from Britain and its former colonial outposts. Rampant and endemic corruption and triad-organized crime activity were rife at all levels of society. With the Cultural Revolution had come a period of considerable instability in Hong Kong, including riots. Maintaining civil order became a key objective of the RHKP. The crime rate in Hong Kong had been rising rapidly. Official statistics show the violent crime rate had risen from 48 per 100,000 of the population in 1963 to 477 in 1976 [1]. It was also known that the percentage of violent crimes reported to the police was almost certainly a small fraction of actual numbers. Another well-known fact was that corruption within the RHKP itself was rife and had reached epidemic proportions. Bribes were expected equally from businesses and individuals. Worse, many of the senior police were in the pay of the triad bosses whom they were supposed to be suppressing. In 1974 the then Governor Sir Murray MacLehose (the longest-serving Hong Kong Governor from 1971 to 1982 and much admired by all in Hong Kong for his achievements) decided the time had come to get rid of corruption. The previous year Peter Godber, a Police Chief Superintendent, had been discovered to have assets of HK$4.3 million (at that time approx. US$860,000) in bank accounts in six countries. It was suspected his wealth had been accumulated through corruption. Given a week by the Attorney General to explain the source of this wealth, Godber managed to slip out of Hong Kong and fled to England. The result was a public outcry in Hong Kong with students spearheading a mass rally condemning the government for its failure to tackle corruption. (Godber was extradited from England in 1975. He was convicted of corruption and sentenced to four years in jail.) Following Godber’s escape, MacLehose established the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) with its own police force and separate Judiciary and answerable only to the Governor [2]. In essence, anyone accused of corrupt activity was thereafter basically guilty until proven innocent. Immediately a number of high-ranking officials fled Hong Kong. The ICAC itself was not a total panacea in solving Hong Kong’s problems. One police officer at that time, Stephen Griffiths, claims in an article that many policemen suggested the initials stood for “I Can Accept Cheques” [3].

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