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be discreet and he may even call you back to newly acquired number. I don't think management cares what boys do outside of bar hours. After bar closes some of them are drinking in the corner and on few occasions me or my friends picked guy from there, never a problem. As for low level erotic play, Tawan is very progressive bar so erotic play can be even notch above low level and certainly lap dance can be easily arranged. If need arises they have room upstairs so shy types may get their dances or massage there there

I did go down the rabbit hole and learned that "non-straight" is actually Non who is straight. I also fond that Reader covered all this in 2022.

Bravo, come-in-hombres! I took a break for a few days to recover. I have hung out with friends the last two nights, and no sex (for me) was involved. Today I feel recovered. I am waiting for my fav from November. He should be here at 3, but who knows what that is in Brazilian time. I will try to stop him before he drains me and save some energy to say goodbye to Pointe. My flight back home is leaving tomorrow.

Being an avid reader of Reader's posts, i got caught up in this "conversation" and never having heard of 15M decided to google it. The "g" had little but did send me to Twitter where 15M Massage @boybk12345 can be found. Photos of the massage artists are included and info on gay/straight/non-straight (whatever that means) was shown. There is also a reference in some of the photos to 27M Massage (I found it when glancing at the photo of Dumbbell Gay). Don't have time right now to go down that rabbit hole.

Great thread on Tawan. One guy dicked down a watermelon? Now that level of seedy is worth the price of emission. Can elope or can’t elope?

From Coconuts Bangkok The glory that was Pantip Plaza, circa 2008. Photo: Sergey/CC BY-SA 2.0 Zig-zagging up and down escalators to compare prices on hard drives and video cards while weaving past hawkers chanting “sexy movie, you buy.” Shopping for hardware, pirated software, and VCDs at Pantip Plaza was once a Bangkok rite of passage. That era formally ended two years ago, and now the former IT mall on Phetchaburi Road’s next chapter is reopening as a “wholesale food department store” called AEC Food Wholesale Pratunam. Pantip Plaza (really Pantip Pratunam, as there are also Pantips in Ngamwongwan, Bang Kapi and Chiang Mai) had been dead for about five years. It was wounded by the transition to online shopping and died after a THB300 million (US$8.7 million today) renovation that took two years, during which 80% of its IT tenants left and visitors fell 60%. When it fully reopened in 2016, they did not return. The owners of the 67,000sqm space have lurched between plans since. Asset World Corp. first announced in late 2020 that it had partnered with Chinese investors to turn it into the succinctly named “AEC Trade Center – Pantip Wholesale Destination,” some kind of marketplace it thought would lure online sellers looking for physical space. That plan didn’t survive the pandemic Yesterday, Asset World (AWC) announced that with its partner Yiwu (“the world’s largest wholesale market for miscellaneous goods from Yiwu, China!”) that the new AEC Food Wholesale Pratunam will be some kind of wholesale food marketplace when it opens later this year. AWC CEO Wallapa Traisora used the words “hub” and “synergy” enough times to doubt they are really sure what it will be. But with the nation’s largest corporate conglomerates signed on; from CPF and ThaiBev to Thai Union, Betagro, and Tipco; it really doesn’t have to make sense to make money. Asset World is the property arm of TCC Group, which like Chang-making megabrewer Thai Beverage, is owned by billionaire Charoen Sirivadhanabhakdi. Its property portfolio includes the riverside Asiatique mall and Gateway Ekamai. ======================== From Coconuts Baangkok Thai brewfan ordered to pay massive fine for saying he liked a beer An ardent beer fan and advocate for reforming the nation’s draconian brewing laws was sentenced to jail time and a hefty fine today, all for posting a photo of a beer he tasted. The court said he “enticed” others to drink. Artie said that he negotiated the penalties reduced to six months and THB150,000. But he also must pay additional fines of THB5,000 per day for refusing to “correct” his posts as ordered. The suspended sentence means he will remain free if he abides by the court’s requirements. The police said that if he commits another offense within a two-year probationary period, his term will be enforced. Artie’s page, which has more than 70,000 followers, shows that he has continued to post similar photos of craft beer, with some of their labels blurred. He also uses his platform to promote opposition parties challenging the government in next month’s election. Artid “Artie” Sivahansaphan, who uses Facebook to talk about his love of Thai craft beer culture, announced this morning that he was originally given a sentence of eight months in prison, suspended, and a THB200,000 fine for illegally promoting beer by simply posting about one that he tried and liked. “I just posted a photo of beer,” he told Coconuts. “I made a page about craft beer, and posted a picture of this beer, and what it’s about, which is really normal. But in this country we have laws that prohibit us from talking about alcohol.”

Of course not totally free and open! In Southeast Asia, Indonesia is #1 and the Philippines is very closely behind at #2 in terms of relative democratic societies. Thailand and the others are far behind.

Last night (Thursday) at 117 was a bit strange. Doesn’t seems like very crowded but there was a bit of wait for the rooms. Saw a lot of muscular guys; like the olden days. Oh that Fernando was there as well. Before 117, I went to Sauna Carioca. It was a Ursos night. Well, there are a lot of ursos. Some are pretty hot. I had some fun and also had a great massage with sexo. The massagista massaged me in nude and ended with sex. I don’t having another session with him but I forgot to ask him about his schedule - he moves around different saunas.

Just went to Siem Reap 3 days ago - yes Rendez-Vous bar is a nice, relaxing and friendly bar to chat with expats and boys (didn't have that much travellers when i stopped by) - Barcode show was nice and entertaining, lasting more than 3 hours. Many customers arrived around 10pm, at 11pm it was full on a Wednesday evening. Very friendly staff.

Update from my Apr23 visit in Siem Reap, yes 20USD is a right offer and what is expected from the boys

Silom seemed very hot busy indeed. I had Songkran celebrations in Siem Reap province, full of handsome smiling straight Khmer boys... another way to have good fun ! Now back to Pattaya, so quiet, seems i missed the party 😁

How can you be so primitive ? using physical SIM card in 2023, really ?? I download eSIM card !! 😁

Tip appreciated. Given the rules of discretion and the oversight by management regarding the club’s profit margins, would it be risky to provide your phone number (ie, Line; WhatsApp), say folded into a cash gratuity, to a Tawan performer? Should you clear it verbally with the performer first? Let’s say a language barrier prompted you to provide your contact info to a specific performer for subsequent text exchanges. Is it possible he might report you for apparently initiating what would be off-site negotiating? I realize that this sounds like I am overthinking it, but I want to fully grasp the protocol. Finally, unrelated to the hooking-up off-site, I understand that there may be some potential for low level erotic play where you sit with your beverage. Is there a private lap dance feature at Tawan?

Hard to beat LINE on the price.

X in tawan does massage freelance during the afternoon. u can arrange directly with him when u go to the bar so as not to incur extra fees.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Do not feed the troll. She is lonely and bitter, and desperate for attention. Ignore her or laugh at her, but do not engage. Are you nuts, trying to have a rational conversation?

@spoon Whilst Riobard's post indicates he is familar with Tawan - and the body type found there - I would be careful not to leave him with the impression that Arena, VCK, Jey Spa or Sabaidee have similar types. The odd guy at these places might come close to the bodybuilder or semi-body-builder look of Tawan, but generally speaking Tawan is in a class of its own. Most (on some days all) of the guys at those four places cannot hold a candle to Tawan's. If you want an idea of what's more typical at these four places, look at the body type displayed on Jupiter bar's Facebook page. I'm referring to the boys doing the catwalk in videos, not the boys selected for Jupiter's static ads, some of whom could be outside models hired for photoshoots. While I haven't done as many rounds of the Saphan Khwai places as some experts here, I believe Saphan Khwai is more a twink paradise.

For massage and sex, beefier guys are in places like arena, vck, jeyspa, sabaidee. There are beefy muscular guys in other massage places here and there, maybe one or two but the 4 i mentioned above seems to be carrying more guys like what u want

I agree with pretty much everything reader says, except that the places in Silom 6 are more legit massage oriented. If you want sex and not a massage then places like 15M are certainly the place to go. You aren't likely to get much of a massage. When I went to 15M my masseur was nude from the start and offered to fuck me pretty much right away. No need to take him to your hotel, just go to the shop. As noted they are easy to get to. I think they prefer that you order ahead but they will have some guys in the shop or some who are not too far away that you can choose by photo.

You already seem to have found some notable leads in your search. All of them can be easily reached by BTS and MRT. As for the Silom area where you're staying, you can simply walk around. You'll find many shops along Surawong and Silom roads. The largest concentration (six shops) is located on a short stretch of Siom Soi 6 just off Silom road after passing Bangkok Christian Hospital. My personal preference is to patronize the shops where you can view the masseurs in person. Most shops will offer clients the option of offing a masseur for an extra fee. But for the first experience with a guy of your choice I'd stick with an in-shop massage. Prices are reasonable. Some shops (especially in the outer districts like Saphan Kwai) display photos on line or by email request. And you can always use the site's search engine for more ideas.

that's why I watch it, I feel much younger being main reason

mixed blessing

Last night my friend who has been "entertaining" me every evening called me from Natureboys. "Come now! We having songkran party!" I managed to miraculously make it there from the Raya Hotel without getting wet! When I arrived, my friend greeted me with a bucket of water in my face. Lol They had a plastic swimming pool set up and one of the guys would grab passersby and drag then into the pool. The ladyboy from Super A helped drag the guys into the pool and took the opportunity to grope them while she exposed her fake tits. They all took it in good humour, of course. At one stage I was tempted to jump in myself and go for the grope! A number of foreigners didn't appreciate getting wet. One young farang yelled "No!!!" and raised his fist as he passed by. It didn't save him. Lol What the fuck are these guys doing in Thailand during Songkran??

I did make it into Fake club on Thursday night. It was so packed. Difficult to move around at times. Took 20 mins to do one return toilet visit. The upside was being packed in like sardines with many of asias finest men has it’s pluses. They rig up scaffolding that has sprinklers so you spend most of the four hours being drenched. But the temperatures make it a blessing. I got home 5 am that night. Their Facebook has some great pics of their performers. Last night i was on soi 4 - having not got near DJ - it similarly was heaving and an effort to get into and down the soi but great fun. like an outdoor disco once you found a spot. So much eye candy and you end up partying with whoever is nearby. Great dj set too from a booming sound system. Songkran has been a blast. Silom is booming. Feels like Every gay South Asian lad has come for the pilgrimage. The energy and fun is infectious and once you accept you will be soaked you’re in. The temperatures make it a blessing. It could be by a little kid or grandma through to a posse of massage shop boys.

Probably not, Up&Down doesn't seem to be accessible with my wheelchair and in Xbar I don't think you can fuck the guys inside the bar, so you would go with the guy to a hotel to fuck him, in my opinion not worth it to go all the way to Prague just for that.

I got boys from online for 20 USD, everyone eager to meet again. After a poor encounter for 20, I started offering 10, which still half accept. Those who perform well get 20, the duds 10 and bye. 30 to 40 is either generous/overpaying from your side or a greedy starting offer from the boy's side. "Also, the Thai peanut mix was to die for…I think Christian mentioned this previously on another post…" available at the market. I liked the fried garlic which is just added as spice. Thanks for your report. Some places I missed during my recent trips to Siem Reap. Will have a look next time.

all we can do is gnash teeth and pay. At 300 baht fee is relatively modest, equivalent of boy's drink in Banana Club or two servings of chicken with cashew nuts at world famous 7.5 stars Foodland Patpong

The UK is at the ridiculous end of the scale....

Dropped last night at 11.40 just to collect my intended off and again two guys on the stage wearing only non-existing briefs. House was quite full.

Drink 400, off fee 500, short time 2000, massage on the site 1500, long time depending whom you ask 3000 to 5000

No, leaf was added in Renaissance. ADAM was dressed in his birth suit and so were some of Tawan employees.

On Saturday night I was there for the show. Full house, about 15 boys including 3 very substantially built, quite a few very well built and YES that twink who was by the way offed quite early in the evening. Some men could use some slimming, some may be not in their prime age but muscles can, t be built too fast so it comes, with territory. About 20 spectators so when I told you house full you have an impression how small bar is. But whether you like their guys or not, it,s by the mile friendliest bar with a lot of interaction between guys, guys and customers and unheard anywhere else lipsync performers and a public. All in good natured humor and that included calling me again KFC man for 27th time this trip. I was awarded prominent seat in front of the stage, if only because I had 3 guys sitting with me, one of them new, at least for me, and very handsome faced no to mention built suitably for that bar. Show had usual lip synching singing, mild SM, muscle flexing, big cock show with participants intermingling with audience for feel and tip, wax candle and as, grand finale J/o with 2 successful participants. Of course I did not went home empty handed. What do you think, I'm a monk or something ? So for Tawan lovers great news , bar maybe smaller but familiar fun not diminished. Music and AC level proper, conversation can be had without screaming and no danger of freezing.

I visited Tawan yesterday with another member who IS NOT fan of big boys and we liked experience and atmosphere, very friendly. As soon as we showed up we were greated with handshakes by few of the guys - in what bar you have that kind of greetings.? If was Monday and holiday so it was not crowded, perhaps dozen guys and the same number of customers including few Asian girls Show carried up anyways, 3 divas, with lip sync singing, 3 muscle guys posing but only one with pokong cock, 6 big cock show participants who went about the audience to offer feel and collect tips. JO show with 3 participants, one of them did not finish race for a lack of tippers. Everything done in good natured mood. Singing divas successfully tried to engage an audience in some sort of conversation and of course looked for tips. As in days past guys are circulating freely and as space is limited that requires a lot of less walking. Among boys novelty, genuine twink, not even aspiring bodybuilder so everybody has a chance there. Few old faces, few new, nobody drastically out of shape,quite opposite. As for me at least 5 looked offable right away including one I did few times and who recognized me immediately earning beer and a red tip. And yes I offed one and hope to try others too. Earlier in the day, around noonish I passed by and there was lonely guy offering massage so of course I engaged him as to start trip in style. Not a bad looking guy and not a bad massage either. In the evening world saw him on the stage. Need to check that offer regularly as some of guys I, m salivating about may actually offer massage. Facilities, are on top floor so some climb is requred and are pretty basic but not that basic, clean and hot watered. On weekend shows are aparently more sophisticated, ahem, but what we saw yesterday was entertaining enough. Recommended to everybody since twink is on an offer.

Yes I was there last night. There was a photographer there clicking away, mainly at the ladyboy songstresses but also the Tawan boys during the show. I didn’t really expect much from the show as the bar has only been re-opened for a few weeks and the stage is so small, but quite a good show considering. - three bodybuilders doing muscle-posing with dicks poking out of shorts - big did show. Because venue is so intimate and customer No’s were down, the guys moved through the audience encouraging a grope. - one Tawan guy literally fucked a watermelon. 🍉 🍆 😳 - chuckwow (2 guys; only bigger, muscled guy came) - Mr Ten and Mr X wearing g-strings and balaclavas. Mr X sucked Mr Ten; Mr Ten soon lost his g-string and started dry-humping Mr X and then buried his face deep into Mr X’s ass (so much so that the other Tawan guys in the audience laughed in admiration. Apparently Mr Ten had gone above and beyond tonight). Drinks 400฿ It was nice (for me at least) to see some familiar pre-Covid faces.

Mr t wears the skimpiest thongs, the meaty daddy wears his fake briefs perfectly hugging the countour of his massive balls. Rest wears boxers with outliers in cycling and sport shorts

I think around 3 can be truly considered muscled. The rest are bodybuilders in their off season. 1 cute overweight Daddy who has an unusually big nut which fills his fake briefs oh so Wonderfully. A dozen on weekdays, more on weekends.

I am happy to report that tawan is alive and kicking. The shows are back sans the whips. Guys are in boxers. Most patrons don't wear masks inside. Some customers smoke in the bar. The place is small though, but about 70% of the guys are back.

Indeed. Full report will come in a couple of days. To make a long story short: it is now kinda shit and in no way even resembles what is was. But, I did had luck there. Even so, it was just luck, the place is dead.

Very well said @vinapu. I like men, not boys. Hopefully the smaller venue will mean more interactions with the men of tawan.

Despite repeat efforts of many members here, there are quite a few of us in this forum who like Tawan and her boys and exactly for reason you mentioned - guys there tended to be much more interactive with clients, circulating freely than in other bars. I'm using past time because formula may be different after re-opening with different venue and possibly different staff. Horses for courses-sure, as much as some Tawan guys should be released to pasture as you say, in some other bars at times I think almost the some - guys there should be let to finish school before going into the bar wild.

The death has been reported of Moonbin, a member of the K-Pop Boy band Astro. He was just 25. Apparently his body was found unresponsive in his apartment yesterday evening in an upmarket part of Seoul. No cause of death has been announced but it foolows that of a number of other K-Pop stars in recent years. In 2018 Minwoo of the band 100% died at home with the cause given as cardiac arrest although suicide was suspected. Three months earlier, Jonghyun the leader of the band SHINee is also suspected of having committed suicide aged 27. Two stars in female groups are also suspected of committing suicide after online bullying. In 2019 Goo Hara had also been abused by her boyfriend. Her death occured just a month after her friend and fellow K-Pop star Sulli was found dead. Much as the world has fallen in love with K-Pop and each band has a huge host of followers, the pressure on these artists who are usually recruited in their early teens and then subjected to a gruelling routine of training and rehearsals while closed off from much of Korean society is wxtreme. The competition is more than intense. Few make it to the top with much knowledge outside their hermetic existence. The members of the worldwide sensation that is BTS are one of that few. Its members have now suspended their K-Pop work to do their mandatory military service. Moonbin: photo The Chosunilbo JNS/ImaZins/Getty Images https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/apr/20/moonbin-dies-k-pop-star-death-member-of-boy-band-astro-dead-aged-25

So to the degree that we actually have facts about this, they are interesting. Both good news and bad news. The good news is that the studies that have been done suggest lots of independent thinkers watch Fox. And it actually does change their mind, and the way they vote. The bad news, speaking as a partisan Democrat, is that Fox is particularly good at persuading viewers to vote Republican. A stunning new study shows that Fox News is more powerful than we ever imagined So I'll say this. That long Vox article refers to various studies. And it has the feel of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. I'd take all of it with a grain of salt. I don't believe, for example, that but for Fox News John Kerry would have won in 2004. And Barack Obama would have gotten 60 % of the vote in 2008. That seems like a huge stretch to me, based on estimates by academics. That said, I definitely buy the idea that Fox News manages over time to turn people who mostly vote Democratic into people who mostly vote Republican. It is an effective ideological machine, as the author and studies document. So then it depends on what the meaning of "independent" is. By definition, if you are persuading voters to switch from supporting Democrats to Republicans, those voters are at least somewhat independent thinkers. Then again, if they are switching because they are being subjected to constant lies and ideological ranting, maybe they are not so independent. Further complicating matters is there is (or was) the Fox News of Shep Smith. Leftie Bernie and Good Gay Guy Mayor Pete made a point to do town halls with Fox News in 2020, since they insisted they had good arguments to make to Fox News viewers. Which they did have, and did make. I watched the town halls run by Brett and Martha and I thought they were really well done. So the Fox News of Shep, Brett, Martha and (used to be) Chris Wallace is NOT the Fox News of Tucker, Sean, and Laura. Even though these studies sound to me like they go too far, I do buy the basic idea. I think it is pretty plain and clear. While most Fox viewers are solid Republicans, not all are. And, over a period of time, Fox has been able to move the dial by relentlessly subjecting those "independent" viewers to "facts" slanted very heavily with conservative ideology. To the point where you can question whether they are even "facts" at all. That said, as a viewer of CNN and MSNBC, I would argue - as the studies do - that they do the same thing. Just not as effectively. That chart that shows Fox going hard right while NSNBC went hard left for over a decade does help to explain the growing ideological divide in America. We all tend to believe what we hear in the ideological silo we choose to live in. Where's Walter Cronkite when you need him? To bring it back to the BIG LIE, all of this has to be bad news for the folks at Bullshit Mountain, as Jon Stewart called it. If anything at all in these studies is correct, it has to be based on the idea that somewhat independent viewers can actually trust Fox News to be "fair and balanced." We now know that Sean and Tucker are cheating lovers who tell you one thing to woo you, and then dump you like a stupid whore when they privately text each other. It's just very bad news for the lying whores who lost. They get rich and powerful sucking Donald Trump's gross and nasty cock, even though they have now said they hate it passionately. Even Stormy Daniels wouldn't do that. Sorry, Tucker. You're still a great guy and all.

From The Nation A 52-year-old Belgian man reportedly jumped twice from a condominium in Pattaya on Thursday morning, successfully committing suicide on his second attempt. The incident took place at 4.30am in Chonburi's Bang Lamung district. Police and rescuers found the body of Kris (surname withheld) lying on the ground next to the condominium. The victim is thought to have hit a garage roof, which was found broken, as he fell. Police cordoned off the scene for investigation while the body has been taken to the Police General Hospital Institute of Forensic Medicine in Bangkok for an autopsy to establish the cause of death. Sombat Sasamrong, a 55-year-old security guard at the condominium, said the Belgian man attempted suicide twice. He jumped from the condo's second floor but was only injured after hitting the ground the first time, the guard said. He added that he could not stop the victim from picking himself up and returning for a second attempt.