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Nature fucks up in many ways. Some people are born without a forearm. Some people are born autistic. Some people are born with Down syndrome. some people would die if they ate a snickers bar without modern medicine to save them from nut allergy . Nature can screw up in so many different ways. Do you really think it is impossible that nature sometime fucks up and build a person with male brain structures in a female body, or the reverse? Another point to consider: Do you really think that all the trans people who go through very expensive surgery, with all the post surgery pains, potential complications, have to take weekly needle shots of hormones, become infertile, and deal all their life with all the social stigma associated with being trans, etc., do all of it “just for fun”? Why would they do all of that if being trans isn’t a real experience? If being born in the wrong body isn’t a real thing, why would they go through all these hurdles and not choose the easy path, and just stay the gender they were assigned at birth? Being trans is real. All trans people tell us that. I have dated several trans men and I assure you they really are men who were trapped in a female body which they were carefully trying to modify so that they could appear as men and live their lives as the real men they are. Just because you were lucky enough to be born in a body that matches your internal experience and gender identity, doesn’t mean that everybody is the same as you. Nature just didn’t screw up with you as much as it did with them. And if you think they are too small a minority to recognise, then by that logic straight people were right to refuse to recognise us because we gays are also too small a minority to matter to them.

I thought you are gay

Two observations. 1) "Woke", like "politically correct" before it, is only used non-ironically by Daily Mail readers (for non-British readers, insert the equivalent newspaper or "news" channel). 2) Biology is complicated, more complicated than most people can imagine or understand. If you think there are just "2 types" of anything in biology you aren't qualified to discuss it.

I remember about 20 years ago, when I first started thinking about going to Thailand, and I started reading the weekly column on the Stickman Thai travel advice website In his news roundup section, he frequently had a story from a western newspaper about a tourist (usually a young British male) who was stuck in a Thai hospital after being in a motorbike crash, or a water-sports accident. At that time, the typical situation seemed to be that they had no travel insurance. Stickman often used to tut-tut over this and bemoan the fact that so many tourists came to Thailand without travel insurance. Flash forward twenty years and there are still links in the Stickman column to news stories about people stuck in Thailand after having catastrophic accidents, and relatives starting GoFundMe pages, etc. But now you find that the typical tourist profiled on such stories did indeed have travel insurance, except the insurance companies have refused to pay out, for the reasons outlined in the posts above. In many cases, the guys affected are hardly out of their teens. Perhaps not having the life experiences of some of the posters above about how you can get into sticky situations very quickly in a foreign country. I think travel and insurance companies should be forced to emphasize these issues to people buying travel insurance for the first time. I remember on one occasion when I booked a flight to Thailand with a travel agency. I was asked if I wanted to book travel insurance with them also, and I said I did. As I’d heard the stories, I asked about being insured to travel on a motorcycle. The young woman working at the travel agency told me I would be covered, presuming I had the requisite driving license (no mention was made that I would need an international one). When I asked about if I was a passenger on a motorbike taxi, she became a bit perplexed and after a bit of humming and hawing suggested that this would be covered by the motorbike taxi drivers public liability insurance! Perhaps she wasn’t that well informed about the likelihood of getting money from your motorbike taxi drivers insurance in Thailand. I’ve now got multi-trip travel insurance. I just looked at the terms and conditions, and I can’t find any mention of a motorbike, although I did find a general provision saying that the policy will be invalidated if I carry out any “reckless” action I imagine the likelihood more than 1% of 18 to 30 year-olds knowing what their coverage really is, even if you have insurance, when arriving in Thailand is probably zero. However, I am sure the insurance companies have a little appetite to clarify these things, quick and all as they are to take the young peoples money.

The booths are on either side of the stage at the back of the bar. You can only see the top part of the guys in there so as Vessey said, it's a private way of having fun. There's no extra charge. When I walked into the bar the second night they led me straight to the booth and brought out a roll of toilet paper. The guys then all know what my intentions are. In the past I haven't found any guys particularly attractive but Mike and Mark certainly are. Both speak reasonable English and stay with you in the booth to chat after they've cum. Last night both Doo-y and Mark said they were up for another chuck-wow after they'd recovered. The guys all take a long time to cum, which is great for me. The longer the better!. Doo-y took close to 30 minutes the first time and he took over when my arm got tired. I asked him if he wanted to stop but told me to keep going. "I cum. Sure!" The second time he was a bit quicker, but not much. Mark's first cumshot was spectacular, as it was on the first night, but the second one was just a dribble. Lol As stated above, a chuck -wow costs 300, plus 250 for a drink. New boys seem to turn up every night. They are all free-lancers. And unlike in the past, where the boys appeared to be escapees from the local prison, none of the boys looked rough to me - just ordinary guys wanting to make an easy buck with their cocks and spend time with their friends. A bit like the old Golden Cock in Bangkok. More of a social club, but one that involves wanking. What's not to like about that if you're going and horny and want to make some quick baht?

Interesting thread and a sure sign that I am getting older in that I had absolutely no idea what all these descriptors or labelling means; not that I am a fan of labels or categorising people at the best of times 🤣 For all practical purposes 'working' boys I meet in their various 'work-places' in Pattaya, are either gay or straight, and if they are straight just how 'gay for pay' are they? More practical still, do they top, bottom or are they versatile? So when the hung young guy banging your ass in your room at night says that he can only stay short-time as he has to get back to his wife and children, it suggests price tags might be more appropriate than sexual labels 😂 So much easier to try and live and let live without judgement 😊

From the BBC By Andrew Stillman12th April 2023 While San Francisco and Los Angeles are renowned for their gay scenes, San Diego has long been one of the US' most tolerant cities. California has long been known as one of the most progressive, tolerant and LGBTQ+-friendly states in the US. Los Angeles was home to the US' first gay rights organisation and coined the term "Pride" to refer to gay advocacy. San Francisco hosted the country's first gay rights march and elected the first openly gay man to public office. The state was the first to legalise domestic partnerships between same-sex couples and consistently ranks as the best place in the US for LGBTQ+ travellers to visit. In 2017, California issued a travel ban prohibiting state-funded travel to any state "that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression". The travel ban initially applied to just five states, but after a wave of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation has swept across the US in the past seven years, it currently covers nearly half of the country. Now, in an effort to advance some of its other progressive policy goals, California is considering ending its travel ban and replacing it with an advertising campaign to promote acceptance and inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in these "banned" states. The move is the latest effort in California's long history of promoting acceptance and inclusion for the gay community. But while places like San Francisco and Los Angeles have famously helped establish California as an LGBTQ+ bastion, the state is home to another gay hub that is often overshadowed by these larger cities: San Diego. San Diego has been a haven for members of the LGBTQ+ communities for decades. In his book Coming Out Under Fire: The History of Gay Men and Women in World War II, historian Allan Bérubé explained that the city's role as a major military headquarters inadvertently created a nascent gay scene during the war. Gay and lesbian people who had been isolated in smaller towns across the country where homosexuality was frowned upon were suddenly brought together during the war effort. Gay bars like Bradley's and Blue Jacket in San Diego's Gaslamp District attracted so many people that the city was featured in the 1952 book USA Confidential about America's "sin spots", while clubs like the Seven Seas and Jack's Steam acted as a cruising ground for gay men. Many military veterans later chose to settle in the city and, thanks to the city's culture of tolerance, 135 gay bars have opened here since the the war ended in 1945. "Moving out here, I fell in love with San Diego," said Chris Orban, more commonly known as Ariana Grindr on TikTok. "I feel like I can be my true self here." Nowadays, the hub of the city's LGBTQ+ community is Hillcrest, where a rainbow-lit sign and rainbow flags flapping over indie book shops, cafes and vintage clothing shops remind visitors why the area is dubbed San Diego's "gayborhood". Thanks to a mixture of cheap rent, abundant space and its out-of-the-way location, Hillcrest's gay community began congregating here in the late 1960s. The city's first Gay Pride parade was held here in 1975 and today the annual event is one of the largest Prides in the US, attracting more than 300,000 people. One of Hillcrest's most popular hangouts is Gossip Grill, which is one of only 27 lesbian bars left in the country. "We're a safe space for women and the marginalised community. It's the only women's bar in Southern California," said owner Moe Girton. "One thing we've seen recently, there's so much more diversity now and fluidity and people just stepping into their skin. You don't have to fit into a box anymore. Everyone [here] is just who they are and so accepting of everyone." Down the road and across a rainbow-painted crosswalk, you'll find the Hillcrest Brewing Company, the world's first gay brewery. When the sun dips down behind the horizon, you can follow the music along University Avenue to dance the night away at Rich's, Hillcrest's most popular gay nightclub, which has been featured on shows like the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Any visit to San Diego wouldn't be complete with a visit to the beach. But before hitting the surf, stock up on sweets from the Candy Pushers, a colourful, lesbian-owned candy shop serving homemade fudge, specialty chocolates and truffles alongside more than 1,000 varieties of sweets. Then, a few shops away, stop by HUMANITY!, a novelty shop where you can find the perfect pair of Speedos, though those preferring to swim in their birthday suit should hit Black's Beach, a clothing-optional beach that's a popular hangout for the gay community. One of the city's most iconic and historic hotels is The Lafayette Hotel, Swim Club & Bungalows, located in North Park. It also happens to be a hotspot for local gay men to enjoy a poolside drink. The hotel will reopen in June 2023 after a $26m renovation, and is just one of many LGBTQ+-friendly hotels in the city. San Diego may not be the first city people think of in California when they think of tolerance, but with its mix of year-round warm weather and climate of acceptance, there's nowhere Orban would rather be. "I feel at home [here]. Everyone is so open minded here and I can just be my authentic self without worrying. I don't live in the fear of walking down the street and getting assaulted because I dress the way I dress or have long hair," he said. "Plus, it's gorgeous and I'm obsessed with the beaches and the weather here. Every day is a vacation."

Long term....no idea what I did last week.

Naturally, gay is unnatural. Men should like women and vice versa. 🙃

I came back from 117 a few minutes ago. We met with @pauleiro and @buttercawan. It was packed, with many hot boys for all preferences. I had never seen so many boys I liked in that sauna. I arrived at about 6:30. Fifteen minutes after my arrival, a boy I was following on Instagram looked at me, and I did not waist time. Unfortunately, never before have I had to wait 45 minutes as today. It worthed it; the boy was perfect for me: short, hairless, athletic body and a voracious bottom. His dick was hard all the time and busted with mine inside. The issue was the waiting list. You can ask me for his Instagram through PM if I know you. Hopefully, I will see him again, but in my quarters. When I headed home, I could not hook up with Uber. I ended up taking a yellow cab and paying twice the Uber fee. I am not so happy with Google Fi. Tomorrow I will be back in 202 and able to compare both saunas on free cabin day. Let's see whether I switch favorites. Still, I don't particularly appreciate how 117 is designed. It was great meeting two friends from here!

Shhh.....He's secretly a Lesbian when he hasn't had a haircut 😉

No. You never did deny it. You simply asked for an explanation in English — which I then gave to you. If your narrow right-wing ideology doesn't allow you to accept new terminology, that's totally on you. The rest of the world will continue very happily without you and your little friends. Enjoy Thailand, where you're either a CIS-male or a ladyboy. Personally I don't care how you choose to identify. You're always perfectly free to be you! 😘

to Wat Hualampong to give thanks to Buddha for such generous farang ?

I've been 2 times.....that's 2 times too many , what we do looking for the greener pasture, lol

Following recommendations of Tomcal, we decided to go to Bangu sauna on sunday which is supposed to be the best day there. Bangu is located 30 km from Rio. We struggled a little since the sauna Casa Grande is not well poditionned on google : it is actually on the opposite side of the railway. But it is well positionned on uber so if you use uber, it should be ok. (The swimming pool shown above is the one of Casa Grande) When you see the police car with the policemen with guns you are close (lol). Sauna opens at 3 pm on sunday. Boys are coming regularly until 5 or 6 pm. We arrived there around 3.30 pm. Around 5 pm, there were around 15 boys. All next door types. No over muscular hunks here. Some twinks. It is a kind of family atmosphere : we are received by the owner, there is a churrasco being prepared, drinks are cheap and good (the caipirinha there was perfect). The boys who arrive come to introduce themselves to customers. Boys wear blue towels. Customers white towel. So if you are given a blue towel, beware lol. Compared to my 2 previous trips there (on a saturday nite for a big party in ... 2012) there are a few more rooms, each one with shower. No sheet on the bed though. And you can buy condoms but not gel ... I chatted quite a lot with the boys who came sit down at our table. And with the owner who is quite friendly. Among the boys present, I spotted Patrick. Nice swimmer body, nice face, nice smile, 20 yo. Great session.

I see that I really struck a very raw nerve. I've triggered some extremely defensive and paranoid responses from you. May your goddess give you the grace to continue living in your tiny world. 🫅

He's an asshole on the forum, imagine what he's like in person 😬

Where NOT to look is online dating profiles advertising big cock, or massage parlors with details of their staff, including cock size. In my experience all exaggerated to the extend of lying.

From Pattaya Mail The Cambodian government is determined to put a new focus on international tourism, stressing that visitors should be dispersed throughout the country. The move follows concerns that the traditional attraction, the Angkor Wat ancient temple complex, is suffering environmentally from mass tourism (notably Chinese) and more controversially from the semi-forcible eviction of 10,000 local residents to “protect” the park. Minister of Tourism Thong Khon said that, in the past, overseas visitors had restricted themselves mostly to the capital Phnom Penh and the provincial Siem Reap with the neighboring temple complex. He explained that new packages were now offering more nature tourism, adventure activities, ecotourism and learning about local culture and food. Cambodia had many poor areas throughout the country which still needed development. Mr Khon said the focus now was on the slogan “Every day is a Wonder” and included events such as the Southeast Asian Games next month, the international tourism forum in Sihanoukville and the 12th ASEAN para games in June. He added that tourism had rebounded since the pandemic and predicted arrivals in 2023 would surpass 4 million. The pre-pandemic six million would be equaled by 2025. Cambodia is now rapidly transforming its poor infrastructure image, such as 38 new roads in Siem Reap, the recently-opened Phnom Phnom-Sihanoukville expressway and two mid-construction international airports which will encourage new airlines by applying tax incentives and reducing or waiving landing fees. Mark Geoffreys, spokesperson for Asian Tours which specializes in Cambodia, said, “Angkor Wat will remain the most popular venue, but the many improvements in transport communications mean that many more international tourists will visit other parts of the country too.”

Was the mama-san in question the dark, fat ladyboy with the bouffant hairstyle? She wears number 888. She wanders around the bar holding a microphone and takes every opportunity to grope the boys on stage. She's horrible.

I'm not so sure. I think recent elections and primaries have shown that the American electorate is pretty sexist.

It is a weird structure indeed. This is the official description of the place : "The 700 stalls, distributed side by side, offer cariocas and tourists a variety of typical northeastern products, such as food, spices and handicrafts. When hunger strikes, it's time to try the flavors of typical cuisine, such as Baião de Dois, Sarapatel or Carne de Sol with Aipim, offered in several restaurants at the fair. On the pavilion's two stages, the music never stops: forró, xote, baião and xaxado, among other rhythms, guarantee fun all night long on weekends".

I got mine out to b wanked while wanking, without a booth; at regular seats (near the corner).

So this is one of two very geeky data-oriented posts today. The new conventional wisdom appears to be that real Republicans are rallying around Trump, which will make it easier for him to win the GOP primary. But this will make it worse for Republicans in the 2024 general election. We won't know for a long time how many more Kari Lakes and Herschel Walkers Trump may bring to the party in 2024 GOP primaries. But there's no reason to think he won't try. Or that it will somehow work out better than it did in Senate or Guv races in 2022. (Of course, there will always be Justice in West Virginia. So that's one bright spot.) This conventional wisdom is not just The Fake News. Prominent Republicans saying this include GOP Establishment icons like pollster Whit Ayers. As well as Fallen Judas Conservatives like Morning Joe and Michael Steele. Current Republicans will say this anonymously. And presumably the Top Guv himself thinks this way. But other than a few Also Rans (Asa Hutchinson) or Never Rans (Chris Sununu) no Republican who wants to win an election wants to say it publicly. And piss The Magical MAGA Kingdom off by debunking fairy tales. But the conventional wisdom seems to be true. I went to 538 and summarize below every state level poll taken so far in 2023 regarding how state races would go next year. It's clear that Republicans are a bit more likely to win key swing states with DeSantis. And a bit more likely to lose key swing states with Trump. Below is every state poll listed on 538 year to date that has both a Trump/Biden and DeSantis/Biden horse race to compare, starting with the most recent. Could somebody please let me know when Trump's MAGA Republicans get tired of wanting to lose? Iowa, April 3 -4: Trump 46/Biden 40, DeSantis 48/Biden 38 - Trump beats Biden by 6, DeSantis beats Biden by 10 North Carolina, March 26-27: Trump 43/Biden 45, DeSantis 44/Biden 41 - Biden beats Trump by 2, DeSantis beats Biden by 3 Florida, March 15-19: Trump 44/Biden 44, DeSantis 46/Biden 43 - Biden and Trump tied (in Florida???), DeSantis beats Biden by (only) 3 (in Florida???) Florida, Fed 25-Mar 7: Trump 50/Biden 43, DeSantis 51, Biden 42 - Trump beats Biden by 7, DeSantis beats Biden by 9 (more accurate than the March poll?) New Hampshire, March 3-5 Trump 38/Biden 42, DeSantis 37/Biden 42 - Biden beats Trump by 4, Biden beats DeSantis by 5 - the only state in which Trump does better than DeSantis, but Biden wins either way Virginia, Feb 12-21: Trump 45/Biden 47, DeSantis 48/Trump 43 - Biden beats Trump in Youngkinia by 2, DeSantis beats Biden in Youngkinia by 5 (will Ron wear a fleece with his white boots? Don't tell my beloved sis @Suckratesor it will really violate her fashion sense.) California, Feb 14-20: Trump 29/Biden 59, DeSantis 34/Biden 57 - Biden kicks both of their asses, but Trump gets his ass kicked even more (Fucking liberals!) Arizona, Jan 31 - Feb 9: Trump 37/Biden 39, DeSantis 36, Biden 35 - Biden beats Trump by 2, DeSantis beats Biden by 1 Nevada, Jan 30 - Feb 6: Trump 42/Biden 40, DeSantis 42/Biden 36 - Trump beats Biden by 2, DeSantis beats Biden by 6 (Obamacrat David Plouffe says Nevada is the state Democrats won in 2020 that he worries most about in 2024. This is why.) North Carolina, Jan 9-12: Trump 45/Biden 48, DeSantis 49/Biden 44 - Biden beats Trump by 4, DeSantis beats Biden by 5 Arizona, Jan 5-8: Trump 38/Biden 35, DeSantis 43, Biden 37 - Trump beats Biden by 3, DeSantis beats Biden by 6 And there you have it. In blue states like California, Biden will win anyway. In red states like Iowa, any Republican will win. But even in a supposedly red state like Florida, Biden could possibly compete with Trump. And in every swing state - Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and even supposedly blue Virginia - DeSantis would be more likely to take out Biden than Trump. The pattern is clear and consistent. Obviously polls in early 2023 tell us little about November 2024. But that's the Republican problem, I think. It's possible that three indictments will be better than one for Trump. But unlikely. When does this get better for him? Obviously there's 10 - 20 % of voters in each of those states that are undecided. My hunch is most of them wish Trump and Biden would both go away. How does nominating the guy they wish would go away help with that? Democrats, of course, have the same problem. But there is one massive difference. In every horse race poll, Biden does better than Harris in beating any Republican in 2024. In most horse race polls, Trump does worse than DeSantis at beating Biden. At least Democrats are sticking with a winner. My economic crystal ball sucks. But the other conventional wisdom I feel like I read everyday (here's today's version) is that we will have a shallow recession, or at least a shall corporate earnings recession, in 2023. Followed by a "strong" recovery in 2024. Does a "strong" recovery in 2024 help or hurt Biden, if it happens? (At this point in 1983 the polls showed Mondale would kick Reagan's ass.) One of the best arguments both sides have is that the other side has been overtaken by extremists, so as to be unrecognizable. If Republicans nominate Trump, who won the 2020 election and organized the Jubilant Patriotic Cop Beating, it confirms their extremism. If Democrats nominate Biden, they have nominated arguably the most recognizable Senator/Veep/POTUS in US history. Biden has proven he is capable of getting approval ratings over 50 %, although he is underwater now. DeSantis, while less well known, has consistently enjoyed net favorable approval ratings. Although that may be changing, since Trump has been doing the Democrats' job of attacking DeSantis. Meanwhile, there was not one day of his Presidency when 50 % of Americans approved of the job Trump was doing. How does this suggest four more years will be better? Again, polls in early 2023 tell us little about November 2023. But all the trends in polls do suggest that the best reason to nominate Trump is that Republicans are just not tired of winning yet. Yup. Those were the good old days.

The Centro of Northern traditions is also a great place to discover. It is a huge complex with lots of restaurants, shops, 2 stages for live music, a small museum,. ... Do'nt go there during the weekdays. It is only open from 10 am to 6 pm and there are not so many people. And almost noone until 1 pm. But during the week-end, it is packed, particularly Friday and Saturday. These days, the center is open until 4 am. Worth a visit. Campos de São Cristovão in Rio de Janeiro

I walk a lot when in Rio, or any other destination. For me, an interesting (daytime) walk has been through Campo de Santana and afterwards through the sprawling street marketplace "Saara". After leaving the park I enter the market (across the street) at Praça da República and on R. Sr. dos Passos throughout. It's a congested marketplace with many places to eat and where you can buy just about anything inexpensively. The street market continues to R. Uruguaiana where there is a Metro station. I've also explored on foot much / most of Copacabana, Ipanema, Cinelandia, Urca, Gloria, Catete, Larangeiras, Lapa and Niteroi Centro. Only one favela (the name of which I do not recall): as a small tour participant many years ago. Only once did I fear I would be a victim of crime / violence - but it hasn't happened, yet. Beach time for me is usually several days a week at Ipanema, and on other days I'm on foot exploring. Evenings are reserved for GP enjoyment! SAARA Market:

It's not just an "article." It's an advertisement that was paid for by the manufacturer: Spruce Natural Labs (North Carolina).

Buy them a drink and they join you on the seating where you can play with their cocks - I tip 100-200 for that dpeneding on how long I do it and whether I suck them or not as well. They will usually ask 'you want me to cum?' If you nod or say yes then they will either wank themselves off or you wank (and suck) them off and when they cum they expect 300 baht. The chuck-wow contests on stage are 300 baht in the pot for the winner. But I have seen guys load the pot with a lot more than that sometimes. Last holiday I was there one night when two younger amerian guys had opened a whisky and were smoking weed, and put a 1k note in the pot for the first one on stage to cum, and again for the second lad to finish, and thereafter 500 for each boy to finish (one twice haha). But the going rate is normally 300 baht for a cum. I have never been in the booth myself, but its sides do offer more privacy. So if I wanted to get my cock out as well, that would be the place I would go 😇

Hmmm. I wonder if he, and his wife, will be found alive. Threatening the powerful, which the sharing of such information would do, tends not to end well, especially in Thailand. Too many vested interests.

That was for Riobard....stop smoking and pay attention 😝

I have a brief interview process....3 quick questions: Mooks, silicone, POWER? if it's no, no, YES.....if he's my type, it's a go ....been down that road too many times to find out later.....one I'll be adding is anal warts 😬

Same here. Been twice, not my cup of tea. But it’s something to do to break the monotony if you have a great deal of time here and a good group of friends to catch the ride with. I wouldn’t recommend it at all for those on a short tourist trip.

Tartegogo's 2018 comments on why you should go to this and why you should not go are still valid. I would add that you can also go there on a saturday nite if you like really wild parties ... It is funny to see evolution of fees : 20R$ back in 2012 (but it was a boy at a saturday party who was willing to get some R$ to buy booze) ; 60 R$ in 2018 and 100 R$ in 2023. This last amount is for a really cute lad with a very good body and face and who bottomed. I would say that, depending on the boy, fee there could be between 60 to 100.

Getting to this sauna is for experienced travellers, not for rookies. You can have a look ar Tartegogo's comments back in 2018 and to my comments during my firdt vidit to the place back in 2012. Some more pics showing the house, the bar, the snooker, the show room, the swimming pool, the "old" rooms, ...

I didn’t go to Juan Binbin. Not needed. I only communicated w/ Juan in WhatsApp. I’m talking about sessions with app, street and Marlow’s guys. I suppose you will be able to find gay guys willing to suck and be btm but it isn’t the norm and not my priority.

The rate at Juan Binbin is 3,000 pesos. No discounts offered. Juan claims that this has been the rate for years; Idk. So it appears that you haven’t been overcharged. But to put it into perspective most guys in the apps will happily accept 1,500; hustlers from El Conde even less. The well build/gym fit, popular or experienced guys, e.g. at Marlow’s will be able to command 2-2,500. Of course, the guys will ask for more initially so keep your wits about you when negotiating prices. Above is for a quick/ maximum 1 hour session. You suck and be fucked (condon or no condon), no kissing or touching your genitals involved. Forget about them btm for you.

Did they snore ?

Sorry to hear your bad expierence with the two Vietnamese boys. I myself had some very pleasent moments with Vietboys and other men in this forum also I read. So yeah I think the right conclusion is you were just unlucky. Don't think you can say in general Vietboys are bad... After all you only tried two... Can't really call that representative research. If I have two bad expierence with guys with black hair, I don't go out posting that all guys with black hair are bad... What I'm trying to say is maybe you can make your postings a bit more nuanced.

Got it. You met two guys from Vietnam in three years and you've been living in Pattaya for 22 years. And you just recently found that you needed directions to get to Sunee. Closest you've come to Thailand is ordering takeout from your neighborhood Thai restaurant. Your life must be incredibly boring to post this shit.

So is prostitution in Thailand

In 22 years of living in Thailand you have posted on this forum only to complain that "Sunnee is a nightmare", "Pattaya is dead on it's feet", "Bar boys from Vietnam are a menace'! Any positive comments?

not to dispute what you said but keep in mind any newcomer looks at the places with different set of eyes than almost domesticated multiple times visitors. we may yawn at Winners or Nice Boys but for somebody being first time is such a place if may still cause premature ejaculation just by peeking inside. When I first time saw sign' Boy bar" walking Suriwong all those years ago my pulse was at last deafening 120 and I did not come from specially restricted place when comes to those things but still.

Oh ok ,well I walked all around Sunee at night last month and had no problem,I even walked and lurked around that Soi that was opposite the old Le Cage /Mike's bar. I think people seem to be wary of me with my long beard and beanie on😅walking in a dark Soi .I'm relatively big guy with long beard so I may not appear weak and frail I was more concerned of motorbikes driving fast past me than people I was a bit cautious in Walking Street however particularly on a weekend night with a lot of drunk young farangs around , thankfully it wasn't too busy,but one only has to bump into these young farang guys and next thing they want to fight But of course like anywhere you need to have your wits about you, I tend to be aware of my surroundings and what's up ahead,if I see some drunk guys or something I cross the road. THe Philippines particularly Manila I had to have my wits about me and be aware and confident . You can always buy pepper spray as well from the market shop near Boyztown .

I worry more about the boy's cock being in his girlfriend's pussy just before going to work at Nice Boys 55

What I saw last trip is Boyztown is far more expensive in regards to pricing The guys in Boyztown seem more muscular,more " top" types than Jomtien Complex who seem to me more feminine twinky . Sunee is open , Nice boys Go Go in Sunee had more man type guys with tattoos and there was customer interaction with guys ,I tipped several guys and played with their cocks & balls Winner Go Go in Sunee also has a lot of twinky guys and I sucked off a few guys in there sitting next to me . I had two guys sit next to me on the bench,bought them both drinks and sucked their young hard dicks,both sitting next to me with ducks standing proud , I couldn't decide which guy to take back to the room so started sucking one off and I really wanted to sit my old butt on his standing up hard cock,riding him with my back to him , but I would be riding him up & down in front of the stage so decided just to suck him off and take the other guy back to my room,not only that the Go Go bar owner Paul was walking around so decided against riding that hard dick in there .🥒 I doubt they allow that in Boyztown Go Go bars though 😂 🔵( I should add that I use the word "guys" rather than the word "boys" which I'm sure many "Karen's" that read these forums would take meaning as something else,so I use the word "guys," rather than boys which to me people/Karen's could interpret as another meaning IE underage, hopefully many of you will follow suit rather than use that outdated word "boy" )🔵

The guys that I have met in Pattaya have been more of an 'anything goes' attitude than those in Bangkok, but I wouldn't describe it as trashy. As Vinapu mentioned, boys in Pattaya are as nice as those in Bangkok. Prices are more reasonable in most bars for drinks, hotels are usually cheaper, and tips expectations are lower. Winner is always worth a visit in my opinion, I'm guessing you like guys on the twinkier side? I just returned from a short trip, I'll have a very brief report up in a day or two that might answer some questions.

not sure what it is supposed to mean 'bit trashy" but whatever it is, nothing to be apprehensive about. Boys are as nice as BKK ones, prices of drinks, off fees , massages and expected tips are lower indeed. If you are looking for twinks you will find galore of them in Jomtien Complex as well as Winners and whatever was left from Sunee Plaza glory. Nice Boys staff may be a bit on rough side but in positive sense of it - less inhibited I'd say. For more meatier guys head to Boyztown, BBB and Dreamboys will be your destination there. If you bored during day, trip to Koh Larn ( with boy or three in tow), Sanctuary of Truth and Noong Noch (spelling? ) Tropical Gardens and Big Buddha on top of the hill at the center are you daytime distractions. Central Festival and Terminal 21 are malls to visit if you re shopper. Lots of restaurants so you won't starve, if you like street food , you will find plenty of it between Wat Chai and Tukcom. Baht bus is 10 baht and motorsai between Jomtien and the center will be 60-100 depending on driver , time of day, your negotiating skills, how you dressed and phase of moon. If you arrive by Airport bus ( recommended), terminal is walking distance of 6 minutes 37 seconds from Jomtien Complex, if by bus from Ekkamai bus station to North Pattaya Bus Station , it will be 50--100 by songtawew (baht bus) or motorsai to Boyztown, unless you stop songtaew on the main street, that it will be 2 times 10 baht as you must change at Delphin roundabout. As for hotels, in Boytzown Classroom (more quiet) , just above ABomb boy bar or in Boyztown proper Copa or Ambiance are your choices, all gust friendly like 127.43% of Pattaya hotels. In Jomtien complex Zing Resort or The Venue are cheaper choices, Agate , East Suites and Poseidon are more for affluent types like you.

Inspection is a casual way to give tips to the boys, which they may not get just standing on stage.

there's substantial difference between looking at , say, guy's butt and actually touching it I guess

I usually get most of the Nice Boys over for a quick look and feel of their bodies front and back without sucking, and then they all get a tip as there are sometimes not many customers. I noticed the mamasan brings in food and sometimes big bottles of beer for the boys which keeps them in a good mood to perform for the customers. I have not seen any of the boys sucking a farang but anything is possible. There is a pulpit in a raised area where a customer can sit and invite a boy or boys to have drinks and other activities with a bit of privacy.