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I don't do it because I believe actions of individual boys is private, individual, based on chemistry and training. What a boy may or not do for me may also be different for another customer. I decided many years ago on my early reports that I would either describe what happened or name the boy but never both. That a boy is not good at massage today or doesn't do afters today does not mean that won't have changed significantly in a couple of months once he realises the difference in the tips he gets or gains more practice.

Today's adventures took me to Siam Square. Obviously it's been the center of youth culture here for a long time. Now they've set up some areas for young student bands to play in the evenings. I've seen some big name groups play on the street there as well. Off to one side of the action tonight was a giant kpop dance party that was so fun. Mostly it seemed to be queer boys and their girl friends of all shapes and sizes and little sisters and brothers. Whoever knew the choreo would jump in when a song started playing or they would clear the dance area for those who did know the moves. Everyone was having so much fun. Lots of girly boys in skirts. It all just felt so incredibly positive and empowering. You could tell that it was a great community. I'd estimate a couple of hundred dancers and a large collection of on-lookers. It was heart-warming for this tired old queen. The bands were interesting too. Most seemed to be HS kids. One group included two boys with rainbow guitar straps - one with a pink guitar and the other with a bass that had a little kawaii stuffed animal hanging off of it. Lots of girl musicians and singers in the mix. Pretty much all cover songs that I recognized. Overall it was a fun place to spend some time.

Somjit Massage - Tukcom - Turn right at Tukcom. Somjit is 150 yards up on right hand side. If you get to Helios you've gone to far. Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 300. No minimum for boy Boys quality: 2 boys on duty when I got there late afternoon but was about 5 or 6 when I left. Generally youngish. Ambience: No shower offered. Room is open with 4 beds and curtains in between. Each area is very small. 1 to 2 feet of space on each side. Massage Quality: The massage was ok. The boy knew the moves but was very light touch. He also avoided all sensual areas for the first 45 minutes of the massage. No chemistry at all and when he tried to get me hard at the end I simply told him no thanks. Overall - I'm guessing it will be erratic. I'm not going to go back during this trip but I've heard others have had better luck there.

Soda Massage - Jomtien Complex - Diagonally opposite Dick's Cafe - End of road with Agate/Zing R&S Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 300. No minimum mentioned for boys. Boys quality: Lots of choice (10 to 15 boys) but more twinks and few muscle. Ambience: 9 rooms, pretty clean with doors but thin walls which do not go to ceiling. Communal shower and open toilet. Massage Quality: I've been 3 times since I arrived 2 weeks ago and it's a little pot luck as far as I can tell. Massage 1 - Good massage, more sensual than firm but lots of good touch. Afters were HJ and prostate massage. Enjoyable Massage 2 - OK massage, not enough pressure and in no way sensual. Masseur stayed dressed and moved away from touch. No afters. Not a good enough massage overally Massage 3 - Good massage, again more sensual than firm but lots of good touch. Afters were BJ and prostate massage. Enjoyable Overall - It's got the most choice I found at the moment but there seem to be a few masseurs who will only give a very basic massage. Still worth it overall, just watch your choice.

This is what Forkey said: "Overall - I'll be generous and call it crap." He was referring to his experience in the shop not an individual. Then you went on to criticize him for not naming names: "But u didnt name the "craps". Vinapu recommend an individual by name but didn't go into specifics of their private encounter. Nothing wrong with "x", "y" and "z" as they don't pertain to identifiable individuals, IMO. Yes, but you want "us" to name the individual. It's difficult to be both curt and non-demeaning in the same breath. It's one thing to share experiences with a member you trust in a PM. It's another thing altogether to publicly post something that follows a guy for the rest of his life. What can possibly be gained by that? Our opinions are all subjective. We both could have a massage with the same guy and come away with vastly differing accounts. IMO, nothing wrong with describing the account so long as we don't ID the individual.

Although I don't visit Pattaya, I appreciate the time and effort you put into your massage shop reports. It represents a genuine service to the board. Your comments are concise and you are careful to treat the guys with dignity. Enjoyed reading about your adventures.🙂

Paradise Massage - Soi 13/4 down from A-Bomb and Boyztown entrance. Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 400. No minimum mentioned for boy Boys quality: I'd passed earlier in my trip and it had a poor selection but 2nd time I went past there was a variety of 6 or so boys. The boys seem to take it in turns if you don't show an immediate preference. The boy was very keen, had a cute face and body, a big smile and was quite young. Not my normal type but I didn't have the heart to say no as he was literally bouncing around. Ambience: Surprisingly nice. The room had a large shower cubicle in and plenty of space. I'm pretty sure all rooms are not the same. Stairs are a bit iffy (quite narrow) if you have difficulties and no bannister on lower portion. Massage Quality: The massage was pretty good. Very sensual and as soon as the boy started he rested his cock and balls on the soles of my feet as he massaged my legs. He kept his cock and balls in easy range all through the massage but the funniest thing was that his cock was incredibly sensitive. Once I realised, I basically had him nearly doubled up due to just how sensitive he was. It was hugely amusing for me but he gamely carried on. The ending was mutual BJ as he was very much a bottom. Overall - As much as it was a fun time and good massage, I prefer a top. I will go back though with luck before the end of my trip.

Foxy Massage - Jomtien Complex - Same side of road as Zing R&S and Agate. Just before Soda Massage Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 300. No minimum for boy Boys quality: 8 to 10 boys. Mix of ages and types. Ambience: No shower offered. Basic room. Massage Quality: What massage !! Got into the room, the boy made a half hearted couple of rubs on my calf, moved up to my thigh and then shoved 3 fingers up my ass without so much as a by your leave. He also had nails that felt like razor blades. Suffice to say, if you want a fuck this is a poor substitute for all the boy bars in Jomtien. if you want a massage go to Soda which is 50 yards away. Overall - I'll be generous and call it crap.

Helios Massage - Tukcom - Coming from beach, take road along Tukcom. Helios is about 200m on the left. Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 500. 1000 minimum for boy 1.5 hour Oil Massage - 700. 1200 minimum for boy 1 hour Foam Massage - 600. 1000 minimum for boy Boys quality: 5 or 6 boys. Low 20's to low 30's Ambience: Lots of stairs !! Room and separate shower. Seemed cleaner than I remember as this has always been a favorite for me. Massage Quality: I've been twice in the two weeks I've been here. Will be going again in the next couple of days for a foam massage. Massage 1 - Good massage, Sensual but also a firmish touch. Afters was BJ's. Would probably have been more had I asked. When talking afterwards he said he was versatile. Massage 2 - Very good massage with a sensual but firm touch of all areas. Took a while for him to get an erection but once he did it was really hard. He did try to top me without a condom but that was not going to happen. That seems to be far more common now than it used to be, probably due to prep and the number of farangs who don't care what STIs are spread. Overall - Still a favorite place for me. Probably not going to be a favorite for those who like 18/19 year olds or those that like the overly muscled.

And yet you would give the hotel or restaurant the bad review and not the chef. As I have done with Foxy. Please note that I did not and would not refer to any masseur as "crap". I referred to my overall experience at Foxy as crap for the reasons I laid out. Reviews of masseurs are entirely subjective. We all like different things in a massage and different levels of "afters". Also, the type and detail of afters will depend on factors that mean different customers will receive different experiences. I'm sorry you feel me not naming masseurs is somehow unfair but, in case it wasn't obvious, I don't ask the names of masseurs I have no interest in having a massage with again. I prefer to continue the search for my perfect massage and trying different masseurs along the way.

On a few occasions when I went to Prime recently, I also felt that the masseur was just a bit 'off', possibly due to overwork. I started booking one Prime masseur that I liked in advance, rather than trust in pot luck.

Since I tend to do a lot of massages when I'm here I figured maybe it makes sense to put my impressions in one thread. I already mentioned my experience at Zoo Spa and Onsen in that dedicated thread, so I won't rehash it here. Prime Massage, Silom Soi 6. Yesterday I visited Prime in Silom Soi 6. Obviously this place is a huge massage factory. My back and neck were giving me some trouble so I thought a real, legit massage was in order. I did a 90 min oil massage. I liked the orange scented oil. No choice of masseurs but I didn't really care. The young woman at the desk took my 700 baht and had me take a seat briefly. Then I was led across the soi to the annex building. Showered down the hall. The sign in the shower about the 20000 baht fine if you poop in the shower gave me some pause. I presume that means it's actually happened in the past. Back to the room and onto the table. The table had a face cut out but was nearly as uncomfortable as a bed without it. The masseur used VERY hard pressure. Ultimately I had to cry out when he did that thing that too many masseurs do of pinching the muscle on the inside of the thigh. It hurts like hell and I had to tell him not to do that. I might have been a little loud in my protest. But he did ease up. Overall the massage was very thorough if totally legit with absolutely no hanky panky suggested or necessary. It was a bit painful though and too rough for me. I actually would have appreciated some slow stretching but his movements were too abrupt. I tipped 500 (I was pointed to the policy of 100 minimum at the cashier desk) because I thought it was fair, not because I was totally happy with the experience. 15M Massage (Saphan Kwai BTS) Today it was off to a part of the city I don't think I've ever visited before. 15M Massage is about a 30 second walk from the Saphan Kwai BTS (exit 3). So it's quite convenient. I booked Noom in advance (photo below). He looks almost nothing like this photo. So much so that I questioned to myself whether it was the same guy. His hair is no longer blond. But the tattoo matches up and so do the earrings. He's also a bit more muscular than in this photo. Booking via Line was easy. They also have a Twitter account (https://twitter.com/boybk12345) Mostly straight guys. Many quite handsome. And they are teamed up with the nearby 27M Massage. But since this location is so easy to get to I chose it. I arrived a few minutes early and Noom was already there as well. I asked for the 90 minute "aroma" massage which is my basic go-to option. I paid the 550 baht to the handsome boy at the cashier station and was led up one level. Room was very basic with a just a thin mattress on the floor. I was pointed to the shower up a further flight of stairs. Once back in the room Noom was already undressed and ready to go. The "massage" was basically terrible. I suspect there is no training for these guys and anyway no one is going there for a proper massage. It was just a mindless rub spending an inordinate amount of time on one leg, then the other before eventually progressing to a back rub. It was not especially erotic or relaxing - just kind of mechanical. After a while I was mercifully invited to flip over. The AC was a bit too cold and my efforts to communicate that were unsuccessful. Either my Thai is really terrible (likely) or he just didn't understand me or my pantomime of being cold. His phone dinged constantly with Line messages. Obviously the polite thing to do is silence your notifications in such a situation. He did offer to fuck me, but that's not my thing. So we moved on to other things that I do enjoy. I will say he was impressively hard with very little input needed. After a while the lights were flickered which I presume was meant as a signal to wrap up. Once we did finish I noted that barely an hour had passed. So, my 90 minute session was not what I go. But frankly I was fine with that. A satisfactory ending was achieved but on the whole not the greatest experience ever. Noom left me to shower alone as did he. We could have conserved some water, but that's not the way it worked out. They do have a couple of gay guys on staff so that might be a better option unless you just want a straight guy to fuck you. I did note several cute boys on my way out. If I'd had a better experience I would be more inclined to return.

actually my clubbing days are history as well and I enjoy going to bed early and enjoy the daytime But on the other side its nice to be around with other gay men as well. thats why I enjoy the "sauna culture" in Brazil. I have no problems when good loooking young guys are treating me like I am the most handsome man in the world --because I am a rich man in their eyes. I enjoy it and I spend a little bit of money like I do for a good meal a good wine, great seats in the Metropolitan Opera or in the first class at plane. ... So at holiday I might enjoy the clubs

The problem here Is that you WILL hear from him again, and again and again, until he accomplishes his goals of making America TRUMP WORLD..... Regardless that the case is SMALL, what he did was illegal and he MUST be shown there are consequences. The only reason he is the destructive force that he is IS because he was allowed to escape any punishment for for his past illegal behaviors. I dont care if he stole a Snickers bar from the bodega, I want to see him PROSECUTED... And any public uprising that may come from it MUST also be dealt with. We cant show these morons that we are afraid of them... Fear is the enemy now. We have to start somewhere, and I truly believe once the first shoe falls from Bragg, ALL the other shoes will follow, and Trump will be Buried in indictments..... Its like putting your little toe in the water first before cannonballing into the pool.

Foam massage visit to Helios. Helios Massage - Tukcom - Coming from beach, take road along Tukcom. Helios is about 200m on the left. Cost - 1 hour Foam Massage - 600. 1000 minimum for boy Boys quality: 5 or 6 boys. Low 20's to low 30's Ambience: The foam massage room is on the first floor so not so many stairs. It's basically a massage room sized shower cubicle with a couple of fans and not much lighting. It was cleaner than I remember and a comfortable temperature. My previous experience a few years ago was that I was continually cold. Not so this time. Massage Quality: Foam massages involve mainly body to body contact and not much pressure as the slipperyness of the foam makes pressure difficult. Overall the body to body style was enjoyable with much mutual touching. It was nice as a change but I definitely prefer an oil massage. Afters were basically throughout the massage. Mutul BJ & HJ. Duration (I've been asked to include this) - The full hour. Overall - Always going to be a favorite for me but there are no Lek's working there now.

In 21 years I can hardly recall more than a handful of disappointing experiences. I'm sure there are at least that many masseurs who were disappointed in me. I've never felt compelled to "warn" others. The guy could have been just having a bad day. I chalked it up to experience and moved on. You seem to think informing members that a masseur may have not given you what you considered proper oral or anal satisfaction is more important than posting an opinion that never goes away. Sorry, that's a "gain" I'm quite content to forego.

Your magnanimity humbles me but I'm opting for a more expeditious route: encourage the boys to simply join this forum. Sure, many don't write English but they can use Google Translate (same way most of us communicate with them) and they actually might use all the vowels. Then they could rate our performance in the same way we rate them. Now that's transparency. Actually I think you've got it backward. Unlike us, few of the boys are in it for the long haul. We're the lifers in your equation. In 21 years of visiting Bangkok, this is the first time I heard a punter refer to boys as "craps." Think I'm beginning to understand why you encounter so many unsatisfactory performers. Why are they different from hotels and restaurants? Maybe because they're human beings.

I’ve also seen boys advertising on Grindr and Romeo but have never responded. However over the years of visiting Pattaya I have I very occasionally had two boys in bed with me following “social” situations . For example one memorable time was when I offed a boy from Winner and returned to the Complex with him by motor bike taxi. Before going to my hotel I sat with him in a bar looking at the action having a drink, during which time my boy spotted a friend who had also worked in Winner previously who I invited to join us. They seemed to enjoy each others company and I found both to be attractive so I suggested that the friend joined us for the night, which was enthusiastically agreed to by both boys after I confirmed that both would receive an appropriate tip. That led to some of the best sex and fun I’ve ever had helped by the draining of a small bottle of scotch I had in the room.

You simply don't get it do you? You are so set in your support of Putin that you will completely overlook the war crimes he is committing because you hate your own government and media. It's fine that you hate them but your belief that everyone else in the world follows them is simply ridiculous. Again, Ukraine defending itself is not what is pushing the nuclear war narrative, Putin is. As for your ridiculous holocaust and WW2 references, it's Putin defenestrating, poisoning and eliminating his opponents so in any 1930s comparison, you are the Nazi giggling with glee while opponents are murdered and imprisoned.

Americans don't understand anything that's not American because they are not educated? Wow such a generalization! And someone who doesn't bargain must be American because he doesn't understand other cultures? Another big generalization, which I find quite offensive. Everyone is different just like every culture, and I didn't say that those who bargain is worse than me, I simply said it is not my type of doing things...others can do whatever they want and however they want... Respecting each other goes a long way for this forum yo help each other. Hostility only destroys the common goods we create here...

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From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon The latest parliamentary bill to legalize some sex work won’t be passed any time soon. A general election is scheduled in May and no one can predict who will be the next crop of lawmaking representatives. Moreover, there is bound to be a rearguard action by conservatives who believe that legalizing paid-for sex is an affront to Buddhist principles. The proposal envisages that female and male sex workers over 20 will no longer be breaking the law provided they enrol with businesses registered with the police or provincial governors and subject themselves to health checks. There will be a range of protections ranging from the right to receive government handouts to rescue centers to prevent violence and trafficking. Sex workers under 20 will be not be prosecuted, but business operators and parents will face “consequences”. Although the reforms have been welcomed by many campaigners, some sex workers say they won’t work out. Former prostitute and drag star Eggs Benedict said, “Many sex workers are part-time and temporary and they won’t fancy being registered on a government data base.” She also argued that prostitution was not limited to brothels or clubs with back rooms. “You can see sex on the beachfront and on certain streets. To deny that is like going to KFC and denying you saw fried chicken.” Arna, who has worked in Pattaya’s Sexy Soi Six for eight years, said, “Most girls I know are not trafficked or forced into sex by bar and club owners. They can leave whenever they like.” She added that prostitution has changed a lot over the years. “Mobile phones and the internet mean that customers can now contact women for hire without ever stepping foot in a bar.” She also suggested that if prostitution became legal, the problem of overseas sex workers from Uzbekistan and other countries would become worse. “The police mostly ignore them as it is, so what would change?” Gay sex workers also expressed some cautiousness. “Many gogo boys don’t identify as gay, but are in the clubs to make money,” said Off who manages a cabaret show in Boyztown. Some have daytime jobs with families to support, so the idea of them signing up with the police or city hall is a non-starter.” He doubted whether trafficking was a significant issue in the gay scene. “Occasionally, you see underage boys being promoted on social media but the technology police are very vigilant these days about pedophile activity.” All prostitution has been illegal in Thailand since the 1960s. The 1996 law on prevention and suppression detailed the penalties, some of which are minimal: for example, loitering in a public place for indecent purposes brings a fine of around US$20. Prostitution campaigners say that it is high time for Thailand for update its legislation. Angela Barthold, of the International Women’s Rights Campaign, said, “The latest bill is a step in the right direction. The fact that it doesn’t solve every single issue isn’t really the point.” Drafters say the parliamentary bill is likely to be amended at committee stage during the summer or even next year.

you don't know what you are missing

Lets start a "drinking game". Everytime Trump is going to say WITCH HUNT in the upcoming months, lets all take a drink... But be aware if your libation is alcoholic, with as many times as he will be saying it, you'll be dead drunk on the floor pretty quickly...... Also, keep in mind, that if you listen closely to Trumps rhetoric lately, he is setting up his base up for COUP 2024, and his plan to STEAL that election is already in motion. And NO DOUBT, DeSantis is just as despicable, but I am not sure he will go to the same lengths that Trump will ? If either gains power, we will be living in RUSSIA....

I agree. He must be charged in all these cases...large and small. I also agree with the other poster expressing dismay that it is taking so much time for all the various charges to be brought against Trump formally. I need to see him in an orange jumpsuit before he dies!

You can typically get more if you explain your circumstances to them. I'm the same in the UK with only one month at a time but it was fairly easy to get extra for this trip.

My clubbing days are long past me, but I usually treat my friends to night out while here. While I am likely the oldest person, there is definitely a wide range of ages in the clubs. Particularly in Bogotá at the larger venues like Theatrón.

I did not miss anything, 'Reciprocity" is what I questioned

Such a handsome guy! I will take him overnight just to admire his face in bed!

Bravo Vinapu, for giving an example. Do all the nay sayers find anything wrong with that? Forky, I agree with ur observations but not with ur conclusions. U r a good kind generous person, giving a disappointing masseur the benefit of the doubt (maybe he'll change, maybe it's personal chemistry). However, u r doing so at other patrons' expense. I would rather avoid any masseur u defined above as "crap". This is especially so with cheats, who promise and dont deliver or who fake pics. They deserve NO consideration.

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I can recommend Wit from there day and night

you won't regret IMHO or I should say, IMNSHO

cheap and low price + Better option airbnb.

Now open for business

I think it's a great idea! Why not? U r welcome to encourage the masseurs to create a forum, where they could share info about clients that dont tip well. It would of course b less useful, because we come and go while they r the constant in the equation.

Although Prime is justifiably known for its reliability in delivering good massages, I fear standards may slip when the boys are tired, as they may well be seeing the steady stream of customers. Your report on 15M is useful for others even if it wasn't a satisfying session. From my admittedly limited experience of the saphan khwai places (and Ganymede and what's-its-name on Soi Ari) I'd agree they aim for fun rather than therapeutic excellence.

I'll second that - a useful service. Thanks for taking the trouble.

Thanks everyone, my concern is that some host requires to send id to them before arrival for registration. Im not sure if the security guard will still allow people to come in after I check in?

Makes one wonder what the boys must be saying about their farang customers 😉

Keanu Reeves was publicly linked to Geffen for a long time ... accurate or not. However, if this current report is accurate (not certain it is), the younger partner is indeed attractive. I wouldn't toss him out of my bed!

Forty-seven, I also forgot to tell that the second and third time he cums there's still a lot coming out (at least five milliliters).

You know nothing about me or my politics other than that I think Ukraine has a right to defend itself. You don't know if I am left, right or center. You, on the other hand, support and make excuses for a Putin dictatorship that is threatening nuclear attack, murdering civilians including women and children, destroying civilian infrastructure, targeting hospitals, nuclear power stations, water and sanitation infrastructure as well as other war crimes. That makes you the murderous Nazi.

Clubs Hot Male: I visited Hot Male on the 1st night I was in Bangkok. Entrance was 400 Baht. I went soon after the show had started. On that day, the place was almost full, but not packed. Almost 40% of those in the audience that day were women. There were about 15 guys on the stage, wide range to suit most. They were all wearing sweatpants and most wearing T-shirts. Hardly anyone was smiling; they looked bored. For me, the show was OK. I visited Hot Male again towards the end of my trip. This time, there were very few women, and the choice of boys was not as good as the previous visit. The good-looking ones may have been “offed” already. Fresh Boys: I visited the Club after seeing the show at Hot Male on Day 1. Entrance was also 400 Baht. There were about 20 guys on stage, all wearing sweats and most wearing Ts. There were fewer women here and the place was about half full. Here, there were more smiles on the faces of the boys, compared to Hot Male. There was even a greater variety of guys here, some past their prime as go-go boys. They had their “cock show” as part of their overall show. Again, show was OK. Dream Boys I patronized Dream Boys 3 times during this trip. Cover charge was 500 Baht for the 2 times and 550 Baht on a Monday (not sure why the difference). Each time, the place was about half full. There were about 25 guys parading on stage each time, before and after the main show. They were all in briefs. Just before the start of the main show, 9 of the boys danced very well to upbeat music, and they all looked like they were enjoying themselves. Of the Clubs I visited this time, I saw the most smiles here. There was a good selection and variety in the boys. I would say this Club had the best entertainment out of the 4 Clubs I went to this time. Each time, there were slightly different routines. The costumes, which one can write home about, were also different each time. When performing, the guys were in sync during their dance performance. They put on a very decent performance. While the shows here are raunchier than at Moonlight, it almost seemed like the choreographer from Moonlight had moved to Dream Boys. The shows at Moonlight were great during past visits. Moonlight For old times sake, I visited Moonlight to see their show and their “models”. Cover charge was 450 Baht. The boys at Moonlight are good looking. However, except for a few, there weren’t many smiles on their faces. I used to enjoy their shows, but I was quite disappointed this time around. As mentioned above, I found the show at Dream Boys much better. One of the top models at Moonlight (let’s call him B) seems to have lost his touch, in my view. To me, B was one of the best performers there in the past, but no more. He even looked different this time. On the other hand, I found the other model, lets call him N, looking better as he is no longer buffed up, but still in decent shape. I only went to Moonlight once as I didn’t enjoy my time there as much this time. Based on some of the comments posted by other Members, I skipped Jupiter this time. General comment: I found the temperature pleasant at all 4 clubs, not very cool, as in previous times. The sound was also bearable, not very loud as to burst your ear drums. On the aside, I went to the famous Foodland, after visiting a Club, and it was bone chilling cold that night in one section.

I stayed in several hotels in Manila, including the 4-Star Pan Pacific, and never needed to have my Friend sign in. The only limitation was that the hotel elevators required you to use a Key Card to go to you Floor. So the guy could not arrive and go upstairs. At the AirBnB units a Key Card was also required. I had to meet them in the Lobby and go up the elevator. My preference is to book an AirBnB because you get more space for the say rate as a hotel.

Really no. In Thailand a candid laugh is never disrespectful. Sure you know. They always laugh about everything. And as bargaining is a game, a little laugh is always welcomed. The boy usually get that you understand the game. Of course, if I offer 400 only, my cheap-Charlie laugh will not be really welcomed...

I don't think laughing is being respectful.....???

I don’t bargain usually. Either the price they ask is what I’m willing to pay or I move on. I always feel that someone I’ve agreed is worth what they ask is likely to give me a better time than someone I’ve haggled with to the nth degree. Works for me and still a fraction of what I would pay here.