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This shop is located on Sutthisan Winitchai Rd., about a 20-minute walk from Saphan Kwai BTS. I discovered it too late in my last trip to give it a try but have been following it on social media. It posted some new staff photos yesterday and I'm inclined to move it to near the top of my next trip's itinerary. https://www.facebook.com/bthousebkk/

I know 2 garotos who stopped going to the sauna because they felt it was a drain on their psychological well being. Getting rejected by customers, and having to compete with other garotos for just a 100 reais, having to perform 3 times in a row… By doing hotel / home visits only, they were avoiding these specific psychological drains while still getting a few jobs a week. Their GP income is lower but they said that feel less ’used’, and one said it gave him time for another job.

Hypocrite. Just some of your personal attacks follow:

From CNN Travel Air New Zealand's "Skynest" economy sleeping concept is among the shortlisted entries for this year's Crystal Cabin Awards. From a cabin concept that completely eradicates the middle seat to a swanky design that takes single-aisle aircraft business class to a new level, this year’s Crystal Cabin Awards shortlist offers an exciting glimpse at aviation’s potential future. Every year the Crystal Cabin Awards showcase innovative ideas that reconceptualize the airplane cabin experience. There are eight categories, with awards spotlighting everything from eco-friendly innovations – such as an AI-based food waste app idea from German airline Lufthansa – to next generation concepts straight from the university classroom. Julia Grosser, a spokesperson for the Crystal Cabin Award Association, says this year’s shortlist suggests aviation is turning a corner after the uncertainty of the peak pandemic years. “Airlines, manufacturers, and suppliers are heavily investing in their onboard products again,” Grosser tells CNN Travel, pointing to the “significant innovation visible even in economy class – from bunk beds to better connectivity.” Among the shortlisted cabin innovations is Air New Zealand’s “Skynest” concept, which envisages bookable sleeping pods made up of six lie-flat bunk beds, designed to give economy long-haul passengers the opportunity to get some proper shuteye. “Being a small country at the bottom of the world, long-haul travel is vital to keeping us connected and allowing tourists to visit our beautiful country,” Kerry Reeves, Air New Zealand’s head of aircraft programs, tells CNN Travel. The motivation behind SkyNest is Air New Zealand’s belief that passengers should be able to “get a good rest, no matter the cabin,” as Reeves puts it. Continues with photos https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/crystal-cabin-awards-aviation-shortlist-2023/index.html

From The Nation Bangkok opened its newest park on Monday, aiming to serve as an exercise space for over 800,000 people in the city’s central business district. The catchily named National Sports Development Fund-Sports Authority of Thailand (NSDF-SAT) Park links three city parks – Benchakitti, Benchakitti Forest and Lumphini – to provide a green jogging and exercise route through the city centre. The park/route uses 5 rai (0.8 hectares) of the three parks, plus the so-called “green mile” elevated walkway that links Benchakitti and Lumphini parks. It’s located on the road next to the Tobacco Authority of Thailand in Khlong Toei district, accessible by both Rama IV and Sukhumvit roads. BTS Skytrain users can get there via either Phloen Chit or Asok stations, while the closest MRT stations are Khlong Toei, Queen Sirikit National Convention Centre or Lumphini. NSDF manager Supranee Guptasa said the new facility aims to be a “running park” that promotes exercise among people in Phloen Chit, Sukhumvit, Khlong Toei, Rama IV, and Silom areas. “There are over 600,000 office workers in these areas, plus 240,000 local residents that will benefit from the park, which offers a convenient location for exercise after people finish their daily activities,” she said. The NSDF-SAT Park features a running route that connects Lumphini, Benchakitti, and Benchakitti Forest parks, allowing up to 4,000 runners to enjoy a long, challenging track amid a variety of landscapes. Facilities along the way include a fitness centre, locker cabinets, drinking fountains, toilets, CCTV surveillance, and wheelchair ramps. NSDF-SAT Park is open daily from 5am to 10pm. See how to get there on Google Maps at https://bit.ly/3J2OLUa

I had been at Medellin 3 months ago, very nice city but IMO 10 days is too much , I suggest maybe 5 days in Medellin 5 days in Cartagena.

I have said before that the shelf line of a garoto tends to be 3-5 years, max. It can be a very psychologically draining form of employment, for those who are not soulless.

Wow. You think that Russians think that Putin is weak? You think we installed him? You think those kids you claim to know volunteered because they think their leader is weak? Do you even listen to yourself? I hope your tin foil hat protects you from the mind control rays. You're too busy diddling your own conspiracy theories to see what's right in front of you. Putin is telling you, repeatedly, with his public words who he is. He is telling you he is a strong man who wants to reclaim the lost Soviet Empire. But, you're rather jerk off to your fantasies about what is happening rather than look at what is right in front of you. Read Putin's own fucking words. Thank you software for the block feature. Like most conspiracy theorists I'm sure you believe you have 'hidden insight' into the unrevealed secrets of the world. It's an essential feature of the conspiracist to self-congratulatorily believe they see what nobody else understands. To the rest of us, you're a crazy person barking at the moon. You've taken a couple of right statements and spun them into a web of utter bullshit. Good bye.

Language is very hard to learn for adults. That part of the mind loses its strength in adulthood. If I ever had a kid to raise, I would make them learn as much language as possible in childhood when the mind is malleable enough that it just all soaks in easily. For us older folks, it is a hard slog to mere incompetence. Fluency is beyond most of us.

Do you not even read what you write? You called news in the US "propaganda narratives," and use Noam Chomsky to support your narrative. I can't believe he's still alive, in any case. Anyone familiar with Fox News and MSNBC knows that the news in the US present widely diverging opinions--just not so far as holocaust denial, such as promoted by Chomsky. It's preposterous to believe that news in the US is a "government narrative," unlike in Russia (or China), where the press is only allowed to present the leader's views (and live). When was the last time the US government threw a reporter out a multi-story building's window?

ORLANDO (The Borowitz Report) Ron DeSantis has unveiled an ambitious plan to raze Disney World and replace it with a “Dilbert”-themed attraction. The new theme park, tentatively called Dilbert World, will attract “millions of Americans deprived of their favorite comic strip by the left-wing media Reich,” the Florida governor said. Calling the new tourist destination “a woke-free zone,” DeSantis promised, “Parents who go to Dilbert World can rest assured that their children will not be exposed to the vile multicultural propaganda that it’s a small world, after all.” DeSantis was vague about what kind of rides might be featured in Dilbert World, saying only that “they will probably involve cubicles.”

Dude. You previously promoted the idea that elections are freer in Russia than they are in the USA, now you're saying the press is freer in Russia? The country in which countless reporters (and others) who have been critical of the government get unceremoniously thrown out of windows, poisoned, and shot? That's not even mentioning what happens to even apolitical gay people. If that's really what you believe, I really don't understand why you don't live there. You can't seem to explain the contradiction between your words and your deeds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11574603/Another-Putin-critic-falls-window-death-Tycoon-plummets-luxury-hotel-India.html "Russia's 'highest-earning elected politician' who had criticized Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has been found dead after a mysterious fall from a hotel in India. Sausage multi-millionaire Pavel Antov, from the main pro-Putin party United Russia, had been on a trip to celebrate his upcoming 66th birthday. A male friend in his party had died 'from a heart attack' on Thursday last week, and the wealthy politician perished two days later...". https://www.npr.org/2018/04/21/604497554/why-do-russian-journalists-keep-falling https://www.newsweek.com/russians-keep-mysteriously-falling-windows-deaths-1738954 https://www.newsweek.com/every-russians-who-fell-death-ukraine-war-started-this-year-2022-pavel-antov-1769951 "Ravil Maganov, who was chairman of Lukoil, Russia's second-largest oil producer and biggest private oil company, was found dead on September 1. According to reports from Russian media outlets, he had fallen from the window of a hospital in Moscow. Russia's Interfax news agency said Maganov "fell from a window at Central Clinical Hospital and died from injuries sustained." But the reports did not explain why Maganov was in the hospital...".

LOL. Cordell has been in his basement for a long time, probably since the 60s riots. I live in DC.there is plenty of houses in DC and many US cities with iron bars on windows. Step out of your cave, Cordell.

Such an occupational hazard for which garotos de programa receive essentially no compensation. As a consumer with intermittent blocks of travel and close to failsafe STD protection measures I very infrequently need a sexual health clinic screening visit. In contrast, providers’ exposure along with their personal sexual partners’ vulnerability is relentless. Gonorrhea PrEP efficacy in clinical trials is proving to be mediocre and risks antimicrobial resistance.

What spectacular snobbery. They hardly travel like peasants so perhaps you should find out what it's really like.

I visited SR for 10 days in February and this is a brief write up of my visit. I am going to be discreet but I am happy answer any specific questions about venues or activities…..just drop me a message. I found vinapu’s previous account of his visit interesting and I did discover Hanuman beer…excellent! I stayed at Men’s Resort. It was a real oasis in a busy city and excellent to return to after a busy day. The food was excellent as were the cocktails and were reasonably priced. The room was clean, cool and spacious and I would recommend this hotel. The only slight issue was the distance from the centre of town which did need a tuk tuk trip there and back unless you were going to arrive really sweaty. Tuk tuks plentiful outside the hotel and the price seemed to be $2 into Pub Street and $3 back. I did not sample the massages at the hotel but a friend who was staying had a number and said that there were excellent and enjoyable. I visited the spa in the hotel 3 times and each time was busy, especially on week ends and after 6.30/7pm. A real mix of locals who tended to outnumber the tourists. I found many local guys to be bottoms who wanted a European top guy so if you’re bottom, it can be a tad frustrating. Some beautiful men so if you’re a top, you will have a great time. I also visited Massage 168 and had arranged via email to meet a beautiful guy from the pics they had sent me. When I arrived on Sunday afternoon, the guy at reception said the guy I wanted to meet was unavailable as his grandmother was ill! There were two other massage guys there behind a curtain and I chose a muscular one for the massage. Massage was competent but it was obvious he was just going through the motions. I ended the massage early as there was no connection and did not return. I did not find the place particularly clean either and this was probably the least pleasurable experience I have had in Asia. I also visited Gecko massage near Pub Street and chose a muscular Cambodian guy for a massage. He was very willing and enthusiastic as well as being gorgeous and this resulted in a $30 tip. This was a far better experience than the one previously. In relation to the gay scene I went to 4 places. A new bar called Rendezvous Bar has opened and this was a fun bar to meet other gay travellers. The owner, Roland, was lovely and the drinks were great, especially the gin and tonics. Also, the Thai peanut mix was to die for…I think Christian mentioned this previously on another post…you have to go to taste this as well as viewing the gorgeous bar staff, especially Mao. I met some lovely fellow travellers there and would recommend this bar as an enjoyable stop off to chat and have fun. I went to the new Miss Wong’s cocktail bar which has moved from near Pub Street to the other side of the river. It is a beautiful old house setting and the cocktails were some of the best I had on my Asia visit. Not particularly a gay vibe, a bit formal cocktail loungy but hugely enjoyable none the less. I also visited a place the other side of the Night Market called Look@Me which seemed a bit run down, was small, on a noisy road and had no customers but this was early evening. I did not go in. Not for me. The place which was really fun was Barcode. I visited this years ago and it has got better. A great routine by the performers. When I visited three times, there was a mix of tourists and some Cambodians and the bar staff are really friendly especially some of the hot waiters. One of the muscular bar staff was so hot I and flirtatious and I wish I had followed vinapu’s tactic of tipping him $5! Maybe the next visit? The place which is not really on any guide but which was a real discovery was Home Cocktail Bar. I met an Australian guy who lives in SR for part of the year and he recommended this bar to meet gay Cambodians. It has great cocktails and food, is very reasonably priced and when I visited, packed with gay Cambodian guys who seemed to be interested in tourists. I spent three evenings there talking, flirting and getting to know some lovely local guys. Cocktails $1.50! A huge recommendation with the plus side that you get to meet locals. I found that locals are priced out of some of the other bars so this is the place to go! It was my favourite place in SR. I found that Blued was hopeless here and I had more success with Grindr with guys wanting to meet, invariably for payment. $30/40 seemed to be the going rate to meet and there are some beautiful guys in Siem Reap. When I got Tuk tuks back to Men’s at night a lot of the drivers seemed to know guys who would meet tourists for fun and some showed pictures. I did not take them up on their offers but they seemed genuine. All in all SR is a fun place to visit.

Not sure how many read this blog....but he had some very good stuff on Bali and massages in Bali...he also posts here, I'll say thanks here for your work! https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/

Bali Governor wants to end visa-on-arrival for Russians and Ukrainians: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2023/3/15/they-dont-respect-us-russians-face-backlash-in-bali

I am arriving at this thread too late, and I have no time to read it all. From a quick read, I was left with the need to praise @tassojunior. We have clashed before, and we still disagree on many things, but I respect your braveness to confront alone what seems to be the entire local dwellers. I am also warmed at seeing your understanding, tasso, of American self-delusion. If you are enjoying the conversation, please do not stop. However, my advice is to move on. It does not matter how many flaws in America you may highlight. The response will always be that others are worse, with no traces of self-examination.

That shows foresight and skilled vetting on your part.

You and the tour company have plenty of time to keep abreast of Brazil developments.

But allow for a day, maybe an overnight in Guatapé east of Medellín.

Just back from the Zoo and can report. Basically if one of their boys really catches your eye, be prepared to pay a very pretty penny, but you should get what you're looking for. The many promotions are fairly confusing, but I contacted them last evening via Line to set an appointment for today. I asked who would be on staff today and made my choice. And after asking a few questions I noted an ad for something called "Sleeping Angel" which has a very high price tag. The "regular" price is 8500 (!) but there is a promo of buy two get one, but it's really not, it's just 30% off the regular price. So 5950 (!) But I decided that I am not in Bangkok very much and who knows how much travel I will be able to do after this trip due to some family issues, so why not go big. I was informed that this price includes tip and everything so there is no extra to pay. Also it is a 2 hour scrub, oil and onsen program. He described is as a "model package". I believed I understood what that meant. I arrived shortly before the agreed time - thanks to the correspondents in this thread with respect to the location or I never would have found it. I sat in the waiting area until the boss showed up right around 2 and confirmed who I was. And then he told me that the guy I booked didn't come in today. But there is one other guy present "Neemo". He's cute enough so I was prepared to go ahead. Then he noticed that Vodka has also arrived. I am not sure what sort of animal Vodka is...some Russian thing, I suppose. Frankly Vodka doesn't photograph very well and even when he's dressed you would think he's probably 10 years older than I think he really is. I had said I would take Neemo but something got lost in translation and Vodka ended up doing the program. The boss gave me a further discount since the guy I booked was a no-show, so I appreciated that. The massage part was frankly a bit odd and nothing to write home about. He started with the salt scrub thing which wasn't bad and then told me to shower again to wash it off. Kinda tough when it's on your back - and he disappeared for a while. I laid back down on the bed thing which was another disappointment because I much prefer a proper massage table with a face cradle. He eventually came back and did a very basic oil massage on my legs and back before asking me to flip over. He massaged the front for a while and he was dressed in their uniform the whole time. Then he said the magic words "you want body to body?" Yes, I do. And then things went from there. He's a nice boy but I'm not sure massage is really his forte. If you're looking for a real, proper massage, search elsewhere. He does have impossibly smooth and soft skin though. I was satisfied in the end, but just, thanks to the extra discount. After we finished he told me to shower again (on my own) and then moved me to another room to soak in their "onsen" which is just a big wooden bathtub for one. So, mixed feelings really. I think maybe later in the day there are more guys there. There is one other boy I have had my eye on so I might blow another large chunk of change to spend a little time in his company as well. If you want more than a massage I think "Sleeping Angel" is what you basically need to go for. But yes, I acknowledge it is a crazy amount for this sort of thing, however if you get a promo rate it's not awful and it is a 2 hour program even if you spend the last 30 minutes of that soaking in the tub alone.

Medellin 10 days seems too much,what are you planning to do there so long ?

you should talk to your boy and quite possibly he would know willing friend of friend

but if there's good chemistry it may become rewarding indeed. And truth is , until we try we will never discover. After 3 days it may become boring but also chance are it may become more rewarding as we and boy become more familiar forth each other. The same rule applies to multiple offs, sometimes after subsequent off buys starts slacking but oftentimes we notice that 2 or 3rd off are much better then first one when we both could be bit reserved

Colombia has multiple island archipelagos - San Bernardo, San Andrës, Providencia & Santa Carolina, Islas Rosarios. Take your pick.

With Android, there are many Apps to change your GPS location.

how old is the husband? I Was with 2 "horny" 20+ yro Filipinos and was not that lucky!

Agree. I draw from Metro subway, Über and taxi options, or my feet. There are certain people that wouldn’t and shouldn’t walk to a subway. I think others here catch my drift.

Saudi Arabia Airlines, and a new spinoff, may be positioning itself to challenge major carriers in the region with the acquisition of 87 Boeing 787 Dreamliners in a mega deal announced today. The carrier, which already flies into many European and three US destinations, is ideally situated to offer good connections to Bangkok and other southeast Asian destinations it already serves. From CNBC Boeing said Tuesday it has reached a deal to sell 78 of its 787 Dreamliner planes to two Saudi airlines, the latest large order for the wide-body jets in the past few months. Boeing did not disclose a timeline for deliveries of the planes. The White House said the order is worth almost $37 billion, although that figure does not take discounts that airlines usually receive, especially for large orders, into account. “This will support the country’s goal of serving 330 million passengers and attracting 100 million visits by 2030,” Riyadh Air said in a news release. The sale shows a pickup in demand for wide-body aircraft, planes that are used for long-distance flights and fetch a higher price than the more-common narrow-body jets. Riyadh Air is owned by the country’s sovereign wealth fund and will be helmed by Tony Douglas as CEO, a longtime industry veteran and former CEO of Etihad Airways. “The ambition here in the kingdom is huge,” Douglas said in an interview with CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street.” “There will be more [aircraft] orders, for the avoidance of any doubt.” He said the order will help Saudi Arabia connect to 100 destinations.

I take a different view as a condo unit owner, not particularly territorial, of 20 years in a major city tourism district. Home rentals on Airbnb and similar platforms were carried out for some 15 years in my building. More recently a co-owner majority vote prohibited it. I cast my vote against prohibition. Yet I have absolutely no personal vested interest as I have no desire or intention to rent my loft. However, I have had neighbour problems that far exceed Airbnb guest problems; they have been typically “legal” tenants of absentee owner landlords, usually one-year leases. You can have an ignorant neighbour creating a ruckus for months and years at a time, with impunity, other residents possessing very limited recourse, while in contrast short-term gig economy guests are reviewed on the platform, wish to maintain good reputations for future booking requests, and usually keep their heads down and noses clean. I have spent many hours overall attempting to resolve difficult neighbour issues from above, below, and laterally. Never a problem with a short-term renter. Some owners complain about baggage traffic yet the lobby elevators have been ruined by legal tenants moving their bulk items in and out when occupying or vacating a condo because they refuse to reserve the service elevator designated for that purpose. The source of potential assholes is six of one half a dozen of the other. I’d rather have 1 bad cupcake out of a baker’s dozen than a bad cake.

i rent a condo not far to Jomtien Complex. I spent some time several times last week. I can tell it is nice and relaxing to go there for a drink, and it gets really busy quite everyday after 9.30pm. If you are into having a drink with a boy, should go there. If you are into gogo bar shows then Boyztown offer better choices.

There are plenty of neighborhoods in the US with iron bars on windows and doors

From The Star VIENTIANE, March 14 (Laotian Times): TUI Care Foundation announced a new EUR10 million (US$10.5 million) project to assist nine least-developed countries, including Laos, in growing their tourism industries at the fifth UN Conference on the Least Developed Countries (LDC5) conference on Tuesday. Program Director of the TUI Care Foundation, Jost Neumann was at the conference to discuss a global partnership to implement the 10-year Doha Program of Action to accelerate the graduation of least developed countries from their categorization as the most vulnerable places in the world. At the event, he spoke to Vientiane Times about the Tourist Development Fund initiated to assist nine least-developed countries, including Laos. “We are launching today the Tourism Development Fund, which targets nine least developed countries, one of which is Laos. We look to implement the project in these nine countries until 2030,” said Neumann. Neumann added that the Foundation had learned that Laos has huge tourism development potential thanks to the country’s striking landscapes and central location in the Mekong region, adding that tourism development can make a significant contribution to economic growth and poverty alleviation in Laos. He pointed out that Laos’s main challenges are the lack of a skilled workforce and the innovation and entrepreneurship needed to unlock the potential for tourism growth, which also applies to other developing countries. The support program’s main focus will be capacity building, specifically strengthening tourism-related education, conserving cultural assets and natural beauty, and enhancing tourism entrepreneurship in small and medium-sized businesses. In preparation for hosting the Asean Summit in 2024, the government of Laos will also declare 2023–2024 as a Tourism Year and will implement extensive measures to promote the country and draw in tourists. - Laotian Times

Perhaps you didn't read what I said above. It was not for one week. It was for long term, many months or longer if things work out. Again, I disagree and say 10k per week is generous.

30k per week is too high 10k is well bellow the standard rates it should be somewhere between to justify taking a boy for the whole week. I guess only very few boys whom are very eager for a free vacation at touristic places will take an offer of 10k for a week.

The advantage of non-committal sex is the power to hunt for fresh meat when you are tired of the old meat.

Crimea ? not that many hundreds , perhpas 240 and it was were conquered after chasing away Tatars from there. It's just Russian war trophy Budapest belonged to Turkey 160 years from 1526 . Would you argue that Turkey has right to invade Hungary and reconquer it ? Kaliningrad never belonged to Russia but it does now and nobody is questioning it

Factually wrong, as I'm fairly sure you know. First of all, the "vote" in the Donbas occurred only after the Russian invasion, with "voters" under the watchful eyes of armed Russian soldiers. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/europe/occupied-ukraine-referendum-russia-intl-hnk/index.html Secondly, that agreement was never passed in the first place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine Russian Federation: Refused to sign What Russia did agree to was to respect the 1994 borders in return for Ukraine surrendering their nuclear weapons to Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum#:~:text=The "Budapest Memorandum" is actually,States%2C United Kingdom and Russia. According to the three memoranda,[6] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia, and that they agreed to the following: Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[7] Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments

It didn't. There have been continual confrontations since Minsk II and Putin has continued to pour heavy weapons into the region in direct contravention of Minsk II.

This is very much the Russian imperialistic view of Ukraine history. I am not really read up enough on it to argue against it, but I must say it is rather strange that somebody claiming to be opposed to the war from what one might call a US leftist-pacifist point of view should trot out these arguments.

is someone that doesn't care still talking ???

So in other words, when not down south, not unlike an average frigid Quebec low-temp dry-air dead-of-winter couch-potato series of days, eyes locked on TV and device screens, reaching over to pull Labbat Blues out of the cooler, passing loads of wind, and out of sheer necessity forcing oneself out of the recliner to nuke more poutine gravy, drain the snake, or toss a log into the fire.

the issue is i would need to change the name of the other guest two or three times a day. 😉

go to list ' last logged in members ' in the bottom on "forums" page, find the name of poster , point on it, small window pops in with three buttons, one of them is 'Ignore ", just press it and should work

be brave and respond, from my experience actually less than half of those 'hallos" are ending with request any nature and certainly much more are leading to no more than " when you come next time to Thailand ?";

Yes, there is an ignore feature. I can't find it for you as I don't see it as I'm a moderator. But, many have used it in the past.

You could always just ask them. Having read these forums for many years now there are con artists on both sides of the fence. I don’t get as much chance as many to visit LoS but I’ve only been conned once by an MB. I now won’t go near that particular massage parlour. I’ve had disappointments and successes but most of the time there’s either a bit of chemistry or their isn’t. I wouldn’t want to affect someone’s livelihood over 1000B.