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Yesterday 03 Feb 2023, I just returned from my second trip to Koh Larn. I won't repeat any of the above details - as this trip was an 80% repeat of the November 2022 trip. However, I will document below, additional details (as many of you requested) and an additional beach that we went to visit. On the first day, we returned to my still favorite beach, Tien Beach, where I was able to get additional lodging information which I can share with all of you now. There are 4 places for lodging that exist on Tien Beach - of which 1 is closed and out of business - a 2 floor wooden motel like structure. The other 3 are open - of which, 2 are owned by the HardTien restaurant, which are the 2 pirate looking ships that are situated on the northern most part of Tien beach, and the 8 rooms, which are above the HardTien restaurant. And lastly, as reported above at the beginning of this post, there are the 3 lovely bungalows available at: https://www.facebook.com/tiennara.kohlarn/ and for booking: https://reservation.roomscope.com/1694/en --> Note that these 3 bungalows (listed above) are the MOST expensive - at 4,500 baht per night. Below is the business card from the owner of the HardTien. Rooms are 1,800 baht per night - on the steep side - but you are on one of the most beautiful beaches of Koh Larn which is in a secluded and remote part of the island - thus making it extra special and subject to premium pricing. The owner mentioned to us that you can be picked up by one of their private speed boats from the Bali Hai pier in Pattaya and brought directly to Tien Beach (1,800 baht one way). The price is too much in my opinion. Better to take the normal ferry for 30 baht (one way) and then the bahtbus for 30 baht (one way) or via any of the Bali Hai pier normal speedboat s for 150 baht (one way), and then take the bahtbus or rent a motor bike to get to Tien beach. The below HardTien facebook page displays the photos of BOTH the pirate ship rooms (more rugged but more private if you want to have a party and be more intimate) and the rooms that are immediately above the restaurant. These rooms are more "luxurious" - modern than the pirate ship rooms. https://ne-np.facebook.com/people/หาดเทียนเกาะล้าน/100083400457762/?sk=photos I've decided that in the future I will organize an event here with many Thai friends - as I want to spend 2 nights on this fantastic remote beach - to see it in all of its natural glory after the last tourist boats and ferries have all returned back to Pattaya. This Youtuber posted the below video about this place which truly helps to appreciate why I like it so much. Another new discovery that we made at the Tien beach was back in the forest that is behind the beach is a place called, "Goose Beach" and in this large area are the wonderful geese that are let loose onto the main beach once the day trippers have started to return to Pattaya. As we could stay late on the beach, we had the privilege of seeing these geese run around the beach. Our lodging for the 2 nights was in the southern part of Na Baan - the main port village of Koh Larn - at the same place we stayed back in November 2022. Ban Lung Khao - Green Bungalow on the sea rental contact details: https://www.facebook.com/people/บ้านลุงขาว-เกาะล้าน-รีสอร์ท-081-410-5906/100057360703785/?mibextid=ZbWKwL We spent 2 lovely nights here. Bungalow is on concrete stilts above the rocky coast with a direct view onto the Pattaya / Jomtien skyline across the sea. The additional beach that we visited this trip, was the Ta-Yai beach, which is at the extreme northern part of Koh Larn, with a direct view onto Ko Sak island. https://www.facebook.com/tayaibeachclub This beach was very nice but very small and very crowded. In fact, ALL of the beach chairs were already occupied as we arrived around 12 noon. So, I guess you need to arrive early to get good seating. This is mainly a falang beach - as it is serviced by the Ta-Yai Beach club with typical falang/western beach service. Consequently, we did not stay long. We walked to the farthest northern point - beyond the beach chairs - which was very picturesque, where many people were making instagram photos. Unfortunately, one of my 2 Thai friends slipped on the rocks and cut open his foot so we had to wrap it up as best as we could and then head back into the main Na Baan town to go to the main hospital where they treated it - which put a damper onto our 2nd day activities. After the hospital visit, we drove over to the Samae beach and hung out at that beach for the remainder of the afternoon. Ok, this concludes this trip report. Hopefully, it includes the additional information that was asked by many of you that I could only obtain by visiting this wonderful place again.

I’ve been to Thailand about a dozen times and have always felt perfectly safe. There is petty crime like pick pocketing and bag snatching, although I have not experienced it. One thing to avoid is falling “in love.” Many a gay or straight for that matter have fallen for a Thai, then gone home and the emails start. The Thai has a dying mother, sick brother, the rice field back home is flooded etc problems that can only be solved by a generous cash contribution. A friend of mine showed one of these emails from a Thai he had a fling with in Bangkok. It was a pro forma ( that he had obviously used countless times) with banking details. In this case it was the flooded rice field. My friend was sufficiently cynical and worldly wise to laugh it off. I have read countless stories on internet sites of foreigners who have had their hearts broken and their bank balances diminished by boys just after their money.

oops, I forgot to add a NEW restaurant that we tried on our first night - which was Racha Buffet, which is next to the One More club on the main road heading south out of the Na Baan port village. https://www.facebook.com/people/บุฟเฟ่ต์ราชาปิ้งย่าง-Racha-Buffet/100066811082230/ This was a NEW concept for me. It is like the MK restaurants Hotpot concept but instead is a BBQ buffet type of restaurant. The front of the place is a HUGE selection of fresh caught seafood and vegetables and eggs, which you select for yourself and place in plastic containers and bring back to your table and you cook them on these very hot BBQ coal fired clay type of ovens. Koh Larn was full of these types of restaurants where the prices were from 280 baht to 299 baht for All-You-Can-Eat!!! Truly a bargain and a fun experience. For our second night restaurant, we returned to the Klom Klom restaurant mentioned at the beginning of this trip report thread. Again, there was a live concert, great food and fancy mixed cocktails. Fun was definitely had by us. https://www.facebook.com/people/กลมกล่อมเกาะล้าน-Klom-Klom-Kohlarn/100064826403085/?mibextid=ZbWKwL

I wonder what did you smoke before that post, lol One of my friends was robbed at knife point in Montego Bay, Jamaica back in Oct 2000. Is traumatized by experience to this day. Certainly no fun for him.

I do not think that it is not respectful to Kadu to share what I learned since my first post. It will illustrate what TotallyOz mentionned above. Kadu was Brazilian, almost real Carioca and pretty much aware of the risks. After his service in 117 on sunday, he went to an hotel in Lapa where he met a boy - certainly not a boy from 117. He was found the next morning robbed and killed. Police is investigating. Inviting a new boy from 117 to your place or - worse - going to his place is not always safe. From a reliable source I heard the story of a gringo going to a 117 boy's place in Ipanema and being almost thrown through the window in order to get his money and credit card codes ... Finally, I was in Copacabana for year end and I was amazed to see how much police was there. All groups of boys and girls likely coming from favelas were systematically searched by police. It is the same for Carnaval : lot of police. When I was in Rio, there was a crime which was heavily commented, committed on a tour guide who was walking back to his place in Centro. He was killed by 2 girls on a motorbike. The whole scene was filmed by cameras. https://www.google.com/amp/s/g1.globo.com/google/amp/rj/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2023/01/06/guia-turistico-reage-a-assalto-e-acaba-morto-a-facadas-por-duas-mulheres-no-rio.ghtml

If somebody must be mugged in Rio, it,s better you guys describing miseries above than me. But now we can feel free to return to an original topic

I really don't understand why some members make generalizations about the totality of Brazil being being dangerous. Yes, there are dangerous places in Brazil. Yes, parts of Brazil that are more dangerous for foreign people. But there are many parts of Brazil that are safer than many other parts of the world. Unless you live in https://digitalemigre.com/relocation/safest-countries-in-the-world/#11-safest-countries-in-the-world-2023-edition, there are probably some parts of your country that are more dangerous than Florianopolis, Brasilia, Curitiba or Belo Horizonte. I live in the USA and belonging to several minority groups, I have not felt completely safe to do certain things or go to certain places for a while now. Violence is everywhere not just Brazil. Guns are everywhere, certainly everywhere in the USA. It's up to you, on how you keep yourself safe.

Been to Argentina once 16 years ago and enjoyed myself in BA despite getting pick pocketed on the subway. Regretfully I've never been to Brazil. Tbh, I think I'm too old for that scene now. Nevertheless, wish I had gone there as a younger man. Of all the places I have been, never encountered a shit hole. Haven't found anyplace I still feel as comfortable in as Bangkok.

I echo all @fedssocr comments. A few years ago I did one of the organised 5-day round-the-island coach tours staying at very good hotels. I was amazed at how beautiful the island is, having earlier only visited Taipei, Taichung and Kaohsiung. We started at Sun Moon Lake where in addition to a large hot spring pool in the basement, each room had its own mini-hot spring pool! Sun Moon Lake We then drove down south of Kaohsiung to the far south coast with its crystal clear water and visiting the main Buddhist monastery before returning to Kahsiung for the night. From there we moved over to the East Coast and worked our way up to the stunning Taroko Gorge where our hotel was virtually at the top of the Gorge. Much of the upper part of the East coast looks rather like parts of the north coast of the Hawaiian Islands. Returning to Taipei is quick as the road goes through several long tunnels. You can do all these sights on your own and save quite a bit of cash. I just wanted to be lazy for a few days to sit back and enjoy the island in comfort.

Barcelona: Had incredible luck at Boyberry. Even found someone to have a date with !! Therefore, I did not do Thermas, etc. Pretty cold, so I did not do the leather bars or discos, especially as regular guys at Boyberry were fine for sex. Grindr was also busy. Granada, Malaga, Cordoba, and Sevilla: Grindr had traffic, but the local guys seemed desperate. They would send me messages and pics and then be pissed as we never hooked up. Mind you, I never contacted them and often never replied to a single message due to lack of interest. Sevilla was better. From years ago, I thought Sevilla had a boy bar, but could not find one this trip. Madrid: Seemed like Chueca had tons of gay places. Guys at Boyberry fulfilled my needs so never needed the other bars or Grindr guys. Definitely some pay for play boys on grindr in Barcelona and Madrid; maybe Sevilla. Not sure of prices. Hunqz had nice looking guys listed as well as morbototal. For all of these places, tourists looking to get off and various local horny guys will vary with the seasons. As for boys, seemed like many more in the bigger cities, as expected.

To be clear, all Club 117 knows thus far (because of their cameras) is that Kadu did not LEAVE the club with a garoto from 117. Until the perpetrator can be ID’d, no one knows for certain who it was (hopefully, the motel where he was found murdered has similar video cameras and makes copies of all ID cards, but it’s possible that they don’t).

@pauleiroOMG! That is so sad and tragic. I was warned about traveling to Brazil before my first visit and was skeptical about going because of some of the violent things i had heard and seen on social media. then i discovered this forum and was happy to see all the positive posts about brazil and its legion of hot guys. If you are a new traveler and havent been to rio, please go. just be careful as you would in any country including your own. Fortunately, I dont have to travel alone, but im still cautious even though im with my husband. sometimes you let your guard down and slip because we get relaxed after having a good time and the alcohol begins to kick in. Plan that trip and go have a good time. There are a few safety videos on youtube regarding brazil. I also watched those and they helped calm my fears. Times are hard for people all over the world and people are becoming more desperate to make or steal a dollar even if it means taking someones life to get it. Dont make yourself a target by wearing jewelry, expensive clothes, shoes, watches, etc. In one of the STRAIGHT travel groups im in on social media some guy was robbed last week because he wore his expensive chain in colombia. He was a big guy with a tour guide and 2 friends with him. After his chain was snatched, he lunged at the guy and the robber quickly pulled out a firearm, but didnt fire it. a 38 year old attorney was robbed and killed a few weeks ago in chile because he was in the wrong neighborhood taking pictures. go go go. you will love brazil. when leaving 202, my husband and i call for an uber and wait upstairs on the 2nd floor until the car arrives. we both wear undergarment waist pouches that cant be seen. we each take one credit card and only take enough money for 2 sex romps while at the sauna. we also wear cargo shorts and keep our cell phones in the lower pockets buttoned up. we also take collapsible canes as a deterent when were out at night. who knows if it works, but it gives us piece of mind and might make someone think twice about mugging us. In these desperate times a mugger wouldnt give a ish. also, try to get a an apartment that has around the clock security and be extremely friendly to the front door attendant. if we go eat, i ask the attendant if theyre hungry and would like for us to bring them food back. believe me, this goes a very long way with them and a quick and easy way to make an alli to help keep you safe. If youre a horny slut like me then only getting sex in the club wont be enough. you can ask the front desk clerk to take your visitors identification and only give it back if they personally get a call from you. as stated by other travelers in this group, dont make yourself a target and always be aware of your surroundings. its also a very good idea to maybe meet some other travelers in this group to travel and hang out with them, if they allow. I know this is done in a lot of groups on social media. someone who is traveling for the first time to another country will post in the forum and meet up with other guys who are traveling at the same time. dont allow fear to overtake you and miss out on the fun that many of the contributors in this forum are engaging in. trust me, we keep going back to these countries for good reason. the good far outweighs the bad. dont forget to check out some of these youtube videos. they helped me to overcome my fears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0GGmpGpoAc

This happens in Thailand quite a bit as well with motorcycles and cars. The longer I'm here, the smarter I get. I had a cop car try to pull me over last year on a side street with no lights or anything, but I kept going until a nice 7/11 and then pulled up to the front. The cop car kept going and did not stop. I knew what he wanted.

Let me know how you feel after you get mugged in Brazil.😇

@TotallyOzyou got robbed by Police officers? #HolyISH That would have been my final trip to Brazil. Would be too afraid to return.

RIP. He was a kind person and always gave off such good vibes, it will not be the same there without him.

Let me assure you if you are mugged you view Brazil from a different perspective.

You are probably a high additional multiple factor likely to expire as the result of an Über traffic crash getting into town. Accidents, of course, can be senseless. However, what happened gives pause for its attitudinal backdrop, so not to diminish its tragedy (or over-interpret a horrible event) but your worry is relatively unfounded if following the level-headed guidance as expressed here over and over.

Pattaya Koh Larn island trip report - November 2022 This is my trip report to Koh Larn from Pattaya. It is written for those who might want to venture over to this beautiful island for a day trip or to stay a couple of nights like we did. I travelled with 2 of my Thai friends, as it was one of their birthday’s, hence these chosen dates. Why Koh Larn? Because you may want to get away from the hustle & bustle of busy Pattaya to stay at some truly beautiful beaches that have transparent blue turquoise clean water with nice white sand. As we know, most of Pattaya, and lesser so, Jomtien beaches have brownish water, consequently making it sometimes difficult to enjoy a true pleasant beach experience that Thailand is known for. Note, that Koh Larn is NOT at the level of beauty of Koh Samui or Phuket – but for only being 20 to 30 minutes away from Pattaya – it is a nice quick and easy substitute for them. Day ONE - Monday 21 November 2022 We took a Grab taxi from Jomtien over to the Bali Hali Pier in Pattaya. At the pier, there are many offerings for private tours via speed boat (costing thousands of Thai baht) and also transport via speed boat for ฿150 baht per person one way. We opted for the speedboat transportation modality, which takes 20 minutes. Note that if you continue towards the pier you can buy a ฿30 baht one way fare on the ferry boat, which takes 40 to 45 minutes. Note ferry schedule below – there are 2 destinations available – Naban Port which faces Pattaya, and Tawaen Beach which faces west into the Gulf of Thailand. http://kohlarn.com/getting-to-koh-larn.html The speedboat ride was quite enjoyable, as the sea was calm – consequently there were not many bumps. If you find that the sea is rough, then I would suggest that you instead take the ferry. Each of us wore a life vest – including all of the other passengers. After exiting the speedboat onto the floating pier, you will be almost immediately solicited for room rentals, taxis, and motorbike rentals. My 2 Thai friends had already reserved us a place in a 2 unit bungalow that they really liked (from previous trips) because it is isolated and private and still within the Naban village. We walked about 5 to 6 minutes south from the pier (as indicated in the below map) to where my 2 friends were greeted by a friendly Thai lady who acted as the broker for our 2 sleeping accommodations, which included 2 motorbikes (1 per unit). The price was ฿1,500 baht per unit and we always took 2 units – as I like to sleep alone. This is our first night accommodation. Simple – but nice and very private with a rocky beach front – when the tide is up the balcony is on top of the water and when the tide is out the balcony overlooks the rocks. Nice places to sit on each single balcony with 2 chairs each with a small table, nearby tree with tons of shade and an outdoor table if needed. From the below photo, you can see that the rooms are modest but practical. There was good air-conditioning and normal bathroom with hot water for a shower. The best part was the view of the Pattaya city and Jomtien skylines. For some months now, I can see Koh Larn from where I live in Jomtien and now I can look back to where I live. I have to say that it is very impressive – more so from Koh Larn looking towards Pattaya/Jomtien – especially at night when the entire city is illuminated. Note, there was NO breakfast included in the above mentioned price. View of Pattaya City and Jomtien from our Koh Larn room balcony – quite impressive. We unpacked our bags and then headed out to lunch at one of the many roadside cafes on our way to our first beach destination at Hat Nuan beach – which is on the southern tip of Koh Larn. Beach was pleasant and nice, but was not my favorite because when you walk into the water, it quickly gets deep – as there is a drop-off in the sea floor. I prefer a gradual drop off where you can walk out far into the water before it gets deep. At the far end of this beach – towards the rocks – are a group of monkeys. Many tourists were feeding them. I did not attempt to get too close as I saw many Youtube videos where the monkeys will steal something from you (like your mobile phone) and run away. No thanks. After a couple of hours at Hat Nuan beach, we then drove over to Samae Beach, which is on the western side of the island. The center of the island is dense green with large hills – so the ride from west to east and east to west are breathtaking – as the views from high up are stunning. Note the following - The roads on Koh Larn are narrow and there are NO cars – only the occasional baht busses that shuttle passengers back and forth between the different beaches. Each way on the baht bus is ฿30 baht for each single ride. Consequently, since there are NO cars – it makes driving on Koh Larn very pleasant, as it is just motorbikes going about – and they tended to drive slowly without any chaos. This is truly a nice experience after the crazy chaos of motorbikes in Pattaya city. Also, even though I have my official Thai motorbike driving license – I have not yet started to drive a motorbike in Thailand. I believe that driving one on Koh Larn will help me get over my fear to get started. Consequently, during this trip, I was the 2nd passenger on one of our 2 motorbikes. Going up some of the bigger hills puts a strain on the motorbike – so, if you plan to go 2 persons on a single bike – make sure that you get a motorbike strong enough. For sure, 2 falangs on a single motorbike might not make it up some of the steeper hills. In my case, we were always 1 falang and 1 Thai – and as we know, the Thais don’t weigh much. Next stop, was Samae Beach. This beach I really liked. During this trip, we visited 5 beaches in total and Samae was tied for my favorite with another beach that we visited on day 2. Samae, has the type of white beach sand that I really like with the gradual decline in the seabed, that allows you to walk out quite far before having to start swimming. The water is a beautiful transparent turquoise color. After almost arriving to sunset, we drove back to our room to freshen up for our Main Event – the birthday celebration of my Thai friend at the infamous Klom Klom restaurant / bar. The Klom Klom restaurant / bar is truly an eclectic cool hippy type of place and was an excellent choice to celebrate my friend’s birthday. This was one of my most favorite places in Thailand – something that I would expect to find up in PAI, in northern Thailand. A jazz band was playing during our visit. The food and drinks were very good. The only negative is that the food came from another affiliated place that is across the street – which made the wait for our meal somewhat longer than normal. When I thought that the bill would come, instead the waiters and band played and sang happy birthday for my Thai friend – which was a nice surprise. Even the customers joined into sing. A weird jello birthday dish was served with a lit candle in it (?? Thai tradition ??). To find this place – see below map – as it is about half way between Naban village and Tawaen Beach. Anybody who lives on Koh Larn knows about this place as it is super famous. Back home for some more drinks on our balcony to enjoy the illuminated Pattaya skyline. Day TWO – Tuesday 22 November 2022 We had to switch accommodation locations because one of our 2 bungalow rooms was rented out to another party (surprise snafu). So, we moved north of the main Naban village pier to ธนัชชา รีสอร์ท (Thanatcha Resort). Note from the map below, that this place is VERY close to the main ferry pier and if you remember from the above ferry schedule, the first ferry is at 6:30am bound for Pattaya. It starts blasting its horns for departure at 6:20am. So, I would avoid this place if you do not like to wake up early. Also, it is kind of run down and you can see that it has seen better days. It has a large wooden deck that is tastefully illuminated in the evening with an excellent view of the Pattaya city skyline. Breakfast is included. Price was the same as the previous accommodation, ฿1,500 baht per unit and we took 2 units. This place includes breakfast out on the terrace, which included a Thai kind of rice / chicken soup, toast and marmalades, and eggs sunny side up + coffee. Our next destination was to go see the BIG giant Buddha up on Buddha hill. What is impressive about this place is that you have an incredible view of almost all of Koh Larn – especially looking down onto the tourist packed Tawaen beach. Furthermore, this is where the paragliders take off and land – it was truly breathtaking to watch all of them as there was at least a dozen of them up in the air above us. Have any of you tried this paragliding thing? https://www.flykohlarn.com Driving down into Tawaen Beach, the scene was overwhelming, as the beach was teeming with tourists mainly from India – it was loud and super crowded. I told the guys to continue onwards, and we found a great place to have lunch just before the next beach over, where Tong Lang Beach starts. It was much more quiet and tranquil. I believe that Tawaen Beach is extremely crowded because the main ferry from Pattaya also stops here. Here is a photo of the tranquil and beautiful Tong Lang Beach, where we relaxed for a couple of hours. It was nice and pleasant – but was still not yet my most favorite beach spot. Our next stop was Tiennara (Tien Beach). As I mentioned from day one this was also my most favorite beach. But now after writing this report and reliving the fond memories, this beach is my number one favorite from this Koh Larn trip. Why? It is a very BIG (long) beach with many variations within the beach, such as lush green canopy overgrowth where there were many places to stay shaded, eat, relax, etc. There are even secluded places to lodge and stay overnight here --> I definitely need to return to sleep in one of them. Have any of you slept in any rooms that are directly at Tien Beach? If so, please share with us the relevant contact information. To arrive at this paradise, you first park your motorbikes and then walk on this elevated concrete pathway until you arrive onto Tiennara (Tien Beach). It feels different than the other beaches as you feel more isolated and more immersed into the nature with the white powdery beach sand. Note that walking north (opposite way from which you entered) you will eventually find some red chair lounges. This is where we stayed, and the older owner/manager is most likely gay and one of his sexy younger workers appears to also be gay. He was quite flirty – another reason to return to this beach. On our way into this beach over the elevated concrete walkway, my 2 Thai friends acknowledged a group of fellow gay Thai individuals who were heading back – as they only came for the day. So, perhaps this is the beach more frequented by us gays ? The sun was starting to set and it was time to drive back to our accommodation to freshen up and to head out to our last dinner on Koh Larn. The chosen Thai restaurant is, ยกยอ-เกาะล้าน (Lifted Yo - Koh Larn) https://yokyor-kohlarn.business.site/ which is located on the main road going south from the Naban village that follows the sea shoreline (see below map). It is a somtum type of Thai restaurant and the food was great. It received a 4.3 rating out of 5 maximum in Google. After dinner, we made a quick stop at 7-Eleven (even on Koh Larn they seem to be almost everywhere) to grab some beers to enjoy our last view of our hotel sea deck illuminated Pattaya / Jomtien city skyline. We had breakfast in the following morning at our 2nd day hotel and then off to return our motorbikes and join the crowd looking for speedboats back to Pattaya. Again, ฿150 baht per person one way. In about 22 minutes we were already back at the Bali Hali pier in Pattaya. We called a BOLT taxi to take us back to Jomtien. Would I go back to Koh Larn? MOST definitely – I was truly enchanted with this place and I see that it will take several trips to discover all of the nooks and crannies on this wonderful island – truly an oasis in nature to get away from the craziness of Pattaya city. What would I change? 1.) To have better control over the accommodations that were chosen – there are tons of them and some are truly amazing. 2.) To get over my anxiety to drive a motorbike in Thailand – as Koh Larn is definitely a tranquil place to overcome this fear. In closing, I hope that you enjoyed my long trip report. I hope by sharing all of this information with all of you that it will encourage some of you to take advantage of this unique place in Pattaya.

I’m not a type of person who post reviews , more reading them ! English is not my first language so please excuse my grammar I found so much information about Rio based on the information of this forum - I’m quite shy and introvert so to read about going to sauna is quite intimidating for some reason! But I’m seeing another member of this forum today who give me courage to check out the sauna - thank you to Archer Wednesday is my first day - staying at fairmont - decent location , nice staff , have no problem to bring guests upstairs - I did a tantric massage at Spa H - it was a good massage, nice clean place , extra fee for happy ending of course - want to go to Point 202 , since it is according to the calendar of this forum is the best nice of the week, and I plan to meet archer since he was also be there - but it seems so much that day and I had a long flight , my first meal in Brazil was not agreeable with me - end up meeting someone on Grindr it was hot - but for some reason - the photo and the in person was just not quite the same - I try to find a list of hotel to bring guests back to the room a few times but could not find the list but fairmont hotel , you can bring guy up - Thursday : tantric massage at solaryun spa - very sensual , good pressure , nice clean place, was ask if they offer any extra service, he told me no- there was also a review on google that they offered only sensual not sexual massage - but the masseur ended up riding me and cum in 5m - honestly - it was the hottest thing I did in 2023!! Evening time - did a three some with Grindr previous night and his friend - it was nice - friday : the date I finally meet Archer - who I have to stay look stunning in person - we had a nice chat at coffee shop in ipanema - he has been here a few times , give me some tips somehow it feel different to listen to some tip in person vs reading on the internet - which the only reason gave me the courage to go to Club 117 - it was a raining / some kind of holiday in Rio where they block off the street facing the beach - I finally make it to club 117 at 5pm - Archer told me and I read on forum as well - don’t go with the first guy approach you - well I did it anyway - he was so hot - the sex as good - I gave him a big tip - I work in service industry all my life - the tipping is in my dna - in Brazil - I don’t believe tip is expected but I feel guilty if I don’t - Even in Fairmont - almost all don’t expect tip unlike Thailand - after finish with his one - sitting at the smoking area - I approached by the biggest penis I’ve been seen in person in my life - not the face that I go for - but he was quite persistent and such a good kisser that I ended up going with him anyway - well - the fuck was the most intense one - after that , I feel like I must write a review about my trip There is at least 30-40 guys in club 117 tonight - and I’m in my recovery mode for my third time - I feel like it must be a land for big Dick top with great kissing skill - I’m in heaven 3 more nights to go till going to cold depressed New York ! Sorry posted in wrong forum - but don’t know how to move it

In general, Asians tend to plan longer and more in advance their holidays than Westerners. I guess the believe is that you can get a better deal if you book early. I was with a group of Singaporeans guys this December at the White Party in Bangkok. Three of them told me that they had already booked their hotel in Bangkok for the White party of next year😂. Plus, many hotels in websites like Agoda offer "Free Cancellation" and "Book Now, Pay Later" options so people book just in case and might cancel later. I tend to also book hotels quite in advance sometimes 3-4 different hotels for the same dates, and then later choose only one.

Somehow I think the license issue will be presently resolved to the satisfaction of all parties. From The Nation The manager of a new Bangkok massage parlour was arrested on Friday night for allegedly running an entertainment venue without permission. However, he was released on a 50,000 bail guarantee and police confirmed on Saturday that no prostitution charges were filed because no evidence of such activity was found during the raid. Lalisa massage parlour in the Sutthisan area was raided on Friday night. During the raid, a customer and a “masseuse” were found inside a room, along with a receipt and a basket containing bathing supplies. Refurbishments are apparently underway at the massage parlour and the only room ready was the one being used, a source said.

Kudos BKKK for the detailed rprt! Most useful for anyone wishing to follow ur exprncd footsteps. Loved the geese foto. (-:

Yes, there is a thread somewhere on here about that. It was the https certificate needed to be installed (it runs out yearly) and it was. Any site that is http only will get this message on certain browsers.

Many of the people who live and work in Brazil as well as many of those travelers who visit who have been victims of violence were not doing “stupid things”. Sure, absolutely take all the precautionary measures, but anyone who has lived, visited or stayed in the major metro areas of Brazil, even in the best, safest areas of the cities, will share with you that eventually, no matter what color you are, your age, your physical build, your language proficiency, you’ll “get got”. If petty theft is the worst thing that happens to you during your forays into Rio, São Paulo, Salvador or Recife, then considered yourself quite blessed. Of course, no one with a working brain who is reading this is going to think I’m referring to every single part of the vast land in Brazil! This is about areas that are well-traveled and often-visited by the kinds of people who would be most likely to read this board: men who have sex with other men. Santa Catarina, Joinville and to a lesser extent Fioranopolis and Brasilia, are considered safer towns in Brazil, but they are not going to be on the radar of the vast majority of infrequent travelers to Brazil — just as foreign tourists in the USA prefer to see NYC, LA, Vegas and Miami over St. Paul, Minnesota. Interestingly, super-safe Fioranopolis, Brazil is the place where a gay man in his early 20s was brutally gang raped on the street in 2021, and it made international news (not really in the USA, because most Americans only care if it’s about “us”). In terms of absolute number of murders in a year, Brazil has the most murders of any country by total number, followed by India, the USA, and Mexico. Also, Brazil has one of the most alarming rates of violence and discrimination against LGBT people in the Western Hemisphere and definitely amongst democracies. The stats have gotten even worse in the last several years — possibly due to political shifts to the hard right. Small pockets of Rio and São Paulo may cull one into a sense of safety or protection, but it’s important to remain vigilant and keep situational awareness at all times. Rest In Peace, Kadu.

Actually, there are other places that offer good sex too, but Brazil is definitely cheaper.

I was getting this disturbing message a couple weeks ago.

In general, Thais are not violent, but they still do bad things.

You can live in total isolation in Amazon, Brazil. It's perfectly safe there.

I never knew about this....too bad so many have had problems, seems like the daytime is more dangerous than night, good thing I don't go out before 5pm. I'm going to Rio Tuesday and in over 20 yrs, the only times I've had problems, it was in SP in areas that I should not have gone especially while drinking. The sex in Brasil definitely makes it worth the risk, to me, given the odds of how many people go without issue 🤨

I have been to carnival at least 10 times and never had violence. You must be careful. Keep the sex to the saunas and the boys you know and trust can come to your hotel. Don't go out with groups for parties and leave drinks unattended. Carnival is safe as tons of police. I only got robbed there once and it was from the military police and it was just for money.

Brazil sounds like an absolute sh1t hole. Thanks for the warnings. Will give it a miss.

I was mugged on avenida Paulista, there were plenty of pedestrians around. I screamed on top of my lung, nobody came to help, the bad guy did a "grab-and-run" and was already out of sight in one split second. I was traumatized and shaken. Two guys came asked me what happened, I told them. They then said, well this is Brazil, we have to go now, take care. (I think when they realized I was a foreign visitor, they thought I could certainly afford to replace what I have lost, so it was no big deal)

There's 2 taxi drivers outside of Lagoa on most nights. Douglas an older gentleman with a very nice car and Paulo, a louder crazy funny guy....I use Douglas to take me to the airport, he matches Uber prices. But they don't speak English I believe, Douglas might, I forget. Also, Lagoa is in a safe neighborhood, waiting outside for a ride is no problem.

I had purchased his book some years ago. Sad to hear this news.

This may be one of those situations where describing the kind of experience you're looking for with mamasan may help. You want to do this before you call a boy over to sit with you. Hopefully, the mamasan can point out boys that are your best bet. Massage shops don't have mamasans and just how helpful the receptionist will be is debatable. You may want check out the shops in Saphan Kwai (K-Man and KK Massage come to mind) where they identify their guys as "T" (top) and "T&B" (top and bottom) along with their height, weight and minimum tip. At 365 The River shop, they offer "B2B" (body to body) option that has a 1,000 bht minimum tip. Although the majority of the guys in most bars and shops identify as straight that doesn't mean they won't provide a satisfactory experience. At some point you have to trust your instincts as you seem to already be doing. Those who can't get hard (which in my experience is pretty rare) never result in a good outcome. If you have any doubts before offing them, ask them outright If they have any trouble getting hard. If language is an issue, use your translator app or ask the mamasan. The massage shops mentioned above have LINE accounts. If you want to see a large number of guys in person, walk down Silom Soi 6. There are currently six shops, each one with probably 10-12 guys on hand at any given time.

Hey, great start! Like you, I had six orgasms this year as well.

202: as a smoker - I like the lay out at club 117 much more than point 202- the boys hang out at the bar more , there is music and good drink - smoking area in 202 is dead town ! also at point 202- boys is more skinny , slim fit , younger crowd , not muscular - but fit at club 117- they are in my opinion much more muscular from working out to steroid user to Body builder - big trap, big arm and big leg with a few slim fit Met my buddy Archer again - I got so many tips from him in person - do I use it ? Oh well , I will learn and use it on my next trip in April I had a tons of great sex in point 202 - but I think it is a slow night at point 202 - I feel like there is more customers than boys ! At 9pm- there is a show with drags queen and a stripper ! He is so hot , I got his number and plan for some more fun later I never had this much sex before in my life , almost all of the fuck I have here feel like the best sex I’ve ever had - there is just so many of them and so many options ! time to head for dinner - somehow the minutes I left point 202, a sense of empty hit me - I feel like I must write this report , I must share my feeling for strangers on the internet since I don’t think I can share it in person with my friend or family I am start to wonder - am I this repulsive ? I’m at 37 years old and have never been in a relationship that last more than 6 months - I work out every single day so I can have some validation and some sex on Grindr - I travelled from far flung country in the world so I can sex with hot men , get their valuation , attention and at some point love ! I think I’m very successful business wise , but I guess I have to learn money don’t buy me love nor happiness ! So many feeling - so much emotion - I understand how stupid and naive I am sound ! But I guess it is problem for another day ! Last night in Rio , the air smells so fresh here for me ! The restaurant is full of hots gay guy ! So many eye candy ! but hey - Great fuck all trip long - I keep count with one more tonight 27 times of great sex ! Like massage in Thailand - fucking is done very well in Brazil !

Monday : it bring us to present time - after a great night of sex , we had breakfast on the beach - I decide that I will get him an iPhone so he could love me more - that’s my true intention - I want to buy his affection I bought him an iPhone 14 pro and clothes - I took him to the most expensive restaurant in Rio - I don’t know why the need to feel validate, to buy for affection we got back to the hotel - and I had the most intense sex I ever had on my life ! 10m later , he started to freak out - acting weird - said he needs to go to medical center he did not feel well ! And I gave him 1000 reals and getting him an Uber to emergency room - he got out 6 blocks out hotel and text me he will take the train - I wish him good luck with everything ! I know how stupid it sounds the way I acted - will I change my opinion about Rio ? No - absolutely not - I love it here - please don’t be stupid like me - go Rio , first time visitor - please stay at sauna and don’t fall in love with any of them well now I will take a shower and head to pointe 202 tonight - hey I might even see my guy here tonight again!! I live and l learn - have some more common sense and think it with my brain and not my penis all the time - and continue to see my therapist I will write my last report when I am at the airport tomorrow - thank you for everything that reading it !

Saturday : A cloudy morning in Rio - a bit background about myself - I have zero self confident and no self control - constantly craving for love , affection , validation - so you understand the thing I do - sometime I don’t get it but I guess at the moment - my Dick controls my whole body ! Ok back to my trip - met with Archer here to a little beach time - he gave me some more tip about Rio - club 117 - did the first session with my favorite types of body : slim fit , slight hairy , but such a long penis - it was fantastic - I was chilling in the area then someone approach me and offer massage - I said ok - massage , no sex - we went to room - it was the worst massage I’ve ever had - he had not a clue of what to do - he spend the next 10 minutes - trying to seduce and fuck me - he is really not my type- I ended the session short and pay him - I don’t think I feel confident enough to dispute Staying a bit more then finish the night with another Great fuck ! Walking out of that sauna , I feel confident , happy and somehow contend -

I also like 3some - massages - 4 hands and I don't like to do it in the massage shop - so I pay a premium over what others here in Pattaya / Jomtien pay to do it in the massage shop. I pay 2.000 baht to each guy - 2 massage guys - so, 4.000 baht. Some will sure SCREAM and say that I am overpaying for this local market but I do not believe so by much more. Here is an example if I do the same thing in a massage shop: 500 paid to the massage shop 1.500 tip paid to guy #1 1.500 tip paid to guy #2 ------ 3.500 to do it at the massage shop instead of the comfort of my home where I control the music, lighting, oils and lotions that we use, what we drink, fun chat time also on my balcony to know the guys better. Also, at home I do not need to worry about some things that freak me out at some of the massage shops; bugs and insects, where do I put my valuables when I take my shower, strange smells, temperature is too hot or too cold, I do not like the music, etc. so, for a 500 baht premium I am VERY happy to "order in" for my massage fun...

For those who are familiar with sauna 117 in Rio, they certainly know Kadu who was a very friendly bartender. He passed away a few days ago. I do not know the circumstances but I think it was linked to the fact that he was gay. RIP, Kadu. I will miss you

Wow, just accept you've been countered. I got your point, I just know what you were conveying is wrong. A general statement that the WHOLE of Brazil is VERY dangerous is just wrong. When I was younger, I was mugged in the county I grew up in, in the city I attended university at, I know what that danger feels like and don't wish it on anyone. The police was not supportive when I made a report and pretty much told me that my homosexuality was to blame for what I experienced. I am sure there are parts of Brazil where I will experience the same if it happened to me, as much as I am sure it can happen in parts of the USA as well. I am not underestimating danger; I just don't do stupid things when I travel. I am also sure I will feel the exact same way if I get mugged in any other foreign country I am visiting.

Wow. Completely unnecessary observation, and congratulations for missing the entire point.

Well, I have been robbed at gunpoint in Brazil 3 times during the day and 1 time at night. I didn't go looking for trouble, but it found me.

RIP. I had fond memories of him teaching me how to pronouce certain bebidas in portugues 😢

Dr Iain Corness obituary: a Pattaya man of all the talents By Barry Kenyon February 1, 2023 One of Pattaya’s best-known foreign residential achievers has died here after a long battle with cancer. Reviewing the life of such a gifted man with so many success stories and fields of interest is no easy task. Iain’s achievements ran from medicine to motor racing and from photography to philanthropy. He was a restaurateur and a raconteur who opened Australia’s first fast-food Thai eatery and later became Pattaya Mail’s most prolific and original contributor. Twenty years ago, special correspondent Peter Cummins admitted he couldn’t decide whether Iain was an over-achiever or an over-whelmer. We now know it’s both. Born in Northern Ireland in 1941, Iain always stressed he was a Brit of Scottish ancestry. “Just because you are born in a stable doesn’t make you a horse,” he used to say. As a young teen, he was a guest of the Australian government courtesy of the 10-pounds assisted passage scheme for families. The youthful Corness attended Brisbane Boys College and introduced himself to the labour market with jobs as a night watchman and a petrol pump attendant. He took the advice of his nurse mother to study to become a doctor and duly qualified in UK. He paid for his passage back home to Australia by being the ship’s doctor. “I wasn’t too busy, “he recalled, “after one patient with a toothache screamed during the difficult extraction.” A positive avalanche of activities in Brisbane duly followed. Iain opened his own medical clinic and, subsequently, the Thai restaurant in his spare time. Not to mention getting married. He also indulged his life-long obsession with car racing, building his first MGB model under his house. Successful racing soon caught the attention of British Leyland and the by-then modified MGB was recognized as the fastest of its class in the world. In 1990 he formed his own racing team. He also became a commercial photographer and became accredited to the Institute of Australian Professional Photographers. “The camera was expensive, so it had to earn its keep as quickly as possible.” Not everything was plain sailing. In 1992, he miraculously escaped from a blazing inferno on the race track losing only his eyebrows and lashes, carrying scars on his back for the rest of his life. After vacationing in Thailand in 1975, Iain planned to start a fresh life here and finally moved permanently in 1997. Asked why he chose Pattaya to domicile, he explained “it was the only place with an auto race track (Bira Circuit).” He never travelled abroad again and explained in 2022, “You see, I absolutely hate filling in forms and the immigration procedures made it impossible for me to consider going abroad.” Pattaya in 1997 was a very different venue from today. There seemed few opportunities outside of sex and booze. But Iain managed to weave all his qualifications and interests into a truly revolutionary career. Never a retiree waiting for the bars to open, Iain bumped into the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital where he became a non-practicing consultant, work permit and all, where he advised thousands of patients over the years about the real deal and won praise for his empathetic bedside manner. He wrote two books on idiosyncratic Pattaya Expat Life which were a sellout at Bookazine and on Amazon. He was a regular attendee at Pattaya business meetings and social gatherings too numerous to mention. His car racing continued with gigantic enthusiasm until a year before his death. His connection with Pattaya Mail, the resort’s first and now only print newspaper with daily internet updates, went back almost to the foundation in 1993. Iain wrote regularly and voluminously under his own name – Automania and Modern Medicine – as well as under barely-concealed pseudonyms. He was, of course, the gastronome Miss Terry Dinner, the flash-photographer Harry Flashman and the book worm Lang Reid. Not to mention Dear Hillary, the agony aunt coping with naive expats and their heterosexual wanderings. He also produced news items, one-off columns and multitudes of “fillers”, the bits and pieces between the commercial ads. Iain’s journalistic contributions often revealed common-sense advice to the expat community: don’t fall in love with ladies of the night, be careful when ordering Indian curries which are often too spicy and don’t forget an annual medical if you are middle aged or worse. Dr Iain Corness, the Good Doctor as he was affectionately known, is irreplaceable in Pattaya annals. Pattaya Mail offers to his family deepest condolences from both management and the general readership. In one of his last public appearances, at the Pattaya City Expat Club last October, I asked Iain what he would do if offered the keys of the city. “Ask for a duplicate set of course.” Requiescat in Pace Iain Corness: 18 November 1941 – 30 January 2023. https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/dr-iain-corness-obituary-a-pattaya-man-of-all-the-talents-423117

Oh here's someone who does wish ill of others. Must live a very sad life.

Guys, getting robbed in Brazil is part of the adventure. It wouldn’t be a full experience without it. Don’t see what everyone is complaining about.