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As far as the Yunomori Spa my friends had recommended and which I wrote about in my previous post, nothing written by @BiggusDikkus could be further from the truth! Granted he was describing the older branch of Yunomori which I have not visited. I finally made it to the new one on Sathorn Soi 10 this afternoon and found it a quite amazing place - better than many in-town spas in Japan. It is obviously very new and the owner has used only the best materials everywhere. There is locker space for around 250 in the men's section although there were only around 25 when I arrived around 3:30 pm and 40 when I left at 5:00 for a dinner appointment. I expect a Saturday evening and Sunday afternoons will be quite crowded. The Spa has lots of treatments but I expect most will prefer only to go to the onsen. The male onsen takes up the whole of the 3rd floor. It includes 5 baths (but only two different levels of heat - hot or very cold!), a largish sauna and steam room and lots of Japanese style showers. As you enter downstairs, you leave your shoes in a small locker, take the key to reception and pay the entry fee (550 baht unless you are 65 or over when it is only 300). You get an electronic wrist tag which opens your locker and with which you pay for any drinks or snacks you might want. I saw a very cute boy going upstairs and decided I'd follow him. Sadly he was one of the staff! Before entering the locker space you get a bag with a large towel for drying before you leave and a very small towel for use in the spa. Some guys used these to cover themselves (typically Thai!) and four in their mid-20s or so wore black shorts (even more typical). I think clothing of any sort should be banned in all hot spring-type spas!). I guessed the age range of the customers when I was there ranged from around 25-30 to around 50 - with me being by far the oldest (not that that seemed to worry anyone)! I would put most in the Thai middle class category although there were also about 4 farang. There was also one father there with his young son but they did not stay very long. Not one Japanese that I could make out when straining to listen to conversation! I did not notice much 'looking' and any hint of approaching another guy within the spa is a definite no-no. But as a place to relax and perhaps see some handsome eye candy, I really enjoyed it. If you see someone you like and they also have an attraction for you, it's easy to swap phone numbers or just leave together. I also seem to have benefitted from my short visit. Having strained my upper back earlier in the day, the spa waters did wonders for it. https://www.yunomorionsen.com/sathorn/onsen/

What you like most about Brazil? For me, heading back to hotel a little tipsy from a 202 drink and a good time with a 202 boy. First night in 202, the long flight is already worthwhile. A rainy Monday until 6pm. Was a little doubtful, worried it might be an empty house. Weather app forecasts heavy rain until 10pm, it’s just cloudy with a few drizzle after 6pm! Way off, weather.com! The few drops are rather pleasant for the 30+ hot day. Junior’s son and a lady are managing the reception. I ask him how many boys are in house as I enter, he said muito. He didn’t exaggerate. Quite a few new faces since my last trip 2022 May. This cute boy with an army crew cut looks somewhat familiar, it’s until later of the night when I overhearing him talking in English with a client and looking closer to his tattoo that I realized it’s Solomon, the boy I had a 2peat in Lagoa on my last trip. A slim black boy with a pretty face stood out for me as I walk up to the shower and steam room. While I prefer the 30+ rio summer to -15 Canadian winter, you do need a shower after getting to 202 on metro. After surveying the room, I made him my top choice. The client he was chatting with fell through, so as I walk by him the 2nd time to the steam room, he followed me in soon after. The kiss is sweet and a little rough. The baby smooth Latino/black skin is my favorite, and it often comes with a huge cock too, as for this boy. We make a deal in 5 minutes in the sauna amid kisses. Long waiting list for room, so I bought drinks and we had more kisses while waiting. In the room, Brazilian boys are more often than not eating ass with a passion. When we get to the fucking, his baby smooth hole felt amazing. He likes getting fucked legs up, with a slim build like my all time favorite N, the hole is fully exposed in that position. A great bottom boy. Down side is he is uncomfortable taking a photo together. Well, on closer look, he is a little too polished pretty, unlike N, naturally handsome, married young with a son at the tender age of 19, cute with a glowing smile but not the slightest gay. Except that N often had a boner pointing to the sky when he started our encounter by sucking my cock. The wonder of some Brazilian straight boys! Fucking girls in real life, taking dick on the side for money… Break down of the night: 75 entry charge, 37 for two drinks, 40 for the room. Less than 30us$ for the house, long live 202! While 1st night is a happy night. Things outside sauna are quite different. The COVID tourist slump is over, hotel price more than doubled, often tripled in Copacabana compared to last May. long line ups for foreigners at customs too compared to no lines at all last May. Airport Lounges are open now. There is even a lounge for customers after arrival outside security in the parking garage. Handy to kill a couple hours as my flight arrived before 10, it would be too early to uber to my hotel right away as check in starts at 2pm. Another ugly shock is my debit card from an American bank used to give me very close to posted xe.com exchange rate for ATM no fee withdrawal at Bradesco, now the exchange rate is a full 10 percent off posted rate 😞 (5.2 posted, ATM withdrawal at 4.7). Credit card charge still happens very close to posted rate at 5.16. Tip, always choose getting charged in Real, not your local currency if asked. Time for bed. 117 tomorrow, muscle gods are not my type, so will be going with low expectations.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual 😉

This morning my board apparently has been hacked. Please do not go to my board until we have the problem fixed. I will post another message once it is safe to use my board again. If you try to go to my board now, you will see a message similar to this: _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Website blocked due to a suspicious download Download blocked: LINK Removed by Admin Malwarebytes Browser Guard blocks downloads that either come from websites that see relatively light traffic or may contain potentially malicious content. This is intended to protect you from new scams. However, if you trust content from this site and would like to proceed, click "Continue".

There are probably some Thais who are skeptical of us farang fossils. 🙂

yes, the "heart"

Not yet. He is traveling and won't be able to get to it until he returns home, in about 1 week from today. I\m not going to try it with my own mobile phone, but apparently people are getting through on mobile phones rather than computer browsers. I advise not trying to access the board at all until we have the problem fixed and I post a message announcing it's safe. I'm sorry this happened, but in my opinion it's just not worth the risk.

The heart wants what the heart wants. At least once.

Rid Rude behaviour! asked 5k , didn't show up and didn't bother to update you .I would never consider to contact him again after such irreverence behaviour.

me too, but I was using my mobile phone and there were no issues and/or warnings. However, on my PC my Browser (Google Chrome) started to install an UpdaterBrowsers.rar - malicious program. I was able to stop it and perform a virus scan - so all is ok. so, as GB said - please wait until Moses resolves this issue and GB gives us the all clear. Cheers, M.

He made an appointment, and didn't show. I waited to see if he messaged me for 1.5 hours. He didn't. I wrote to say he missed it. He said, sorry, he could come now. But, I was already busy and said another time. For 5k without bargaining, I would have showed.

Not potential. According to Moses, definite. From what I have read about it, this is a virus that can change your home page - and keep changing it, along with placing extra ads on web sites you visit, and several other problems that are not easy to fix. The part that is potential is it could potentially force you to format your hard drive and re-install everything in order to get rid of it. This is one to keep away from. I don't want some scumbag hacker or my board to cause problems for anyone. As I said, I will post a notification once it is safe to access my board again. To me, the scary part is I have no idea how this got onto my board. It wouldn't hurt anything to change the password that accesses this board, which hopefully might prevent the same thing happening here. I changed several of my passwords and I will change the password I use to access my own board once it is safe to access it.

I've never been on that site, nor knew about it....I'm going to search for it....curious if @gayinpattaya is there 😆

I know you don't wear a tin foil hat.....but only because people would think you were a turkey roasting on the street, but look at the type of people that think the same as you.

Veritas is a joke. A sick, dangerous joke, but a joke.

Ripping the soul out of Bangkok. It's very sad to see. A city I once enjoyed being a resident, I now visit and can't wait to leave.

Update about the 9-teen massage shops in silom. The 9-teen massage shop, on Thanon Silom corner with soi 6 is still busy with customers. I have been there twice when Prime Massage had no availability for me and a friend. The 2 times where good, more average looking boys than handsome boys (Issan boys) but with good massage skills. This place is clearly for gays who look for a good massage and a happy ending... not a full sex massage shop like the other places in silom soi 6 (the massage boy stays fully deessed during the session). Paid 800B for 90min aroma oil massage. Nice room with in-room shower, what i really like (shower before massage... never take a shower at the end to benefit from the oil on the skin). 500B tip for the boy after a good blowjob to end the session (minimum tip displayed in lobby is 100B). The very new 9-teen massage shop opened 5 days ago just a few meters away. Just inside the silom soi 6. Same owner, same name (?), but higher prices for new rooms and a more "premium" experience (not very sure about that). 900B the 90 min aroma oil massage. Large and nice lobby (see pic). It is an additional shop. The older one (still new) will continue to work and "send customers to the new shop when fully booked" said the manager. Manager told me the gay massage business was indeed working very well in Bangkok now. Some of his staff are former Thai bar boys who don't want anymore to sell themselves in gogo bars but prefer a better and more "stable" income in a massage shop.

Next - Day 2 - Getting into a routine. Since my LT from Tawan left early, I continued my beauty sleep and woke up much later, skipping breakfast. I checked my line and saw that the forum member J finally replied to my text apologizing for not replying sooner since he was sleeping. I replied back saying it's ok, I went out with A and we had fun. I asked about his plan for the day and he told me he already has a boy coming to his hotel now! I told him, at this rate, he might not leave his hotel at all lol. I told him I will go to Prime for my opening ritual massage and then head for lunch. We then agreed to meet tonight for bar visits. I showered and made my way down Surawong road to Soi Than Tawan aka Silom Soi 6 to Prime Massage. Immediately noticed that one of their buildings at the corner is now part of the Quarter Silom hotel. I went inside and there were few customers already there. I was asked to sit down and wait for my turn. Once it was my turn, I chose my massage, a two-hour oil massage for 900 (100 baht higher than before) and was reminded of the minimum tip of 100. I asked if I could choose my masseur and she immediately took her Ipad and started choosing pics of the masseur. She showed me 4 pics. I chose one guy, quite handsome and with a nice body. After a few seconds, she told me that the masseur is not available and asked me to choose again, now only 3 choices. I look at it again, this time quite a bit harder to choose lol. Anyway, I settled with a masseur that has a slightly smaller frame. After I paid for my massage, I was asked to sit and wait for the masseur to come. I was then brought upstairs for my massage session. No happy ending but the massage this time was extra good, and the masseur skills are definitely unique. I would rate it one of the best i had so far from prime. Upon leaving, I confirmed with the reception of his name in case I would like to book him for another session. I can't remember where I had my lunch afterwards, but it was uneventful. Most likely a bit further down Silom road to a Malaysian restaurant there, as well as checking the exchange rate at the huge orange Supperich office. Went back to my hotel for my disco nap and at about 7pm I contacted forum members A and J about meeting tonight. A actually thinking of visiting the onsen since the weather in Bangkok was indeed quite cold, and I barely sweat walking during the day, but since J is also joining me tonight, A decided to join and maybe visit the onsen another time. None of us had dinner yet so we decided to meet at 8pm for dinner. A suggested an Issan dinner place behind Silom Complex. I arrived at T Rungroj Shop around 8 and J was already there. Not long after A also arrived. We took a table and A, with his Thai skills, made the order for the table. Good selection of seafood dishes and somtam/larb, but poor selection of drinks (beer, coke and water) The food was exceptional, and price was reasonable, plus we will be drinking during our bar visits, so nothing to complain about. We talked about a bunch of topics seeing that this is the first time we three meet again after covid, and towards the end, we decided on which bar to visit tonight, and it will be Jupiter. We arrived at Jupiter a bit early, but J decided to book a table with a bottle, so he did, saving us cover charge. We then went into Pride to drink and listen to the live singer, which we recognized used to work at Jupiter before as their midnight singer. Close to 10.30pm, we made our way to Jupiter and were seated near the stage corner on the right side. Couldn't ask for a better seat as it gives us a full unobstructed view of the stage. The shows start with all the boys in underwear doing a catwalk on the stage, then the boy will go down to the floor, towards the back, to the right side and back to the left side before going up the stairs. Pre-covid, the catwalk only on the stage then boys go str8 to the left for the stairs. From our seats, we can see the boys changing their clothes too. The shows were also great. mostly sexy shirtless boys dancing, and even when there is a ladyboy/drag show, there will be 2-3 sexy shirtless hot guys accompanying the ladyboy. After a few shows, the boys will come down again for another catwalk, this time with jeans, but shirtless. Then more shows, with the famous dancing with towels number that I really enjoy. In a few numbers, the boys actually are showing their dicks, mostly covered by see-through underwear or just peeking through tight underwear. But there was one guy who actually shows his dick full on, without wearing any condom. Too bad he isn't the hottest guy there, a tad bit older too. There are at least 3 guys I would consider off, and that's a good amount seeing that I have very low expectations of Jupiter boys will give me good service, so those 3 are worth it for me to take a chance, Happy to report the famous Arm and Boom are still there. Considering that we actually had a bottle, we could've called any boys for a drink but since I didn't feel I'd waste my night offing a potentially non-performer, and my resolve on getting an LT, I didn't bother to call any boy for a drink. J had one boy he liked but too bad the boy was already seated with a customer. A also didn't get any boy for a drink and he excused himself once the show was over, with the last catwalk of boys, whoever was still around. At midnight, the singers take over and start singing a mix of English, Thai and Chinese songs. Some customers and boys go on the stage to dance. One lady customer was celebrating her birthday and clearly too drunk to a point that she might pass out or worse, vomit. But she powers through, and still keeps drinking by the time J and I leave, which is around 1am. Customer wise, not full, but not bad for a weekday night. Mixed with Asian, farangs, old, young, mostly with friends. I didn't see any big spenders this time though. The guy who showed his dick on stage is with a lady customer who was lucky enough to be invited to be on stage when Arm and Boom were giving her lap dance on stage for one of their numbers. Too bad the hula hoop dance by Mr. Boom wasn't on offer tonight. Right before we left, I asked the singer if he knew a Thai song that I like, showed him the youtube, but unfortunately, he didn't know the song. Anyway, I did tip Mr. Boom as he is the only one that smiles at me when he walks down one of the 3 catwalks. Thinking that tonight was a bust, me and J left Jupiter at 1am, when most of the boys are allowed to leave the bars as well, unless they are with customers drinking. As we walked out the Soi 4, Banana club staff told us that they still have a show on and asked if we wanted to come in. I looked at J and without much words exchanged, we agreed to at least have a look. The bar is average size, not as big as say dreamboys, but not as small as the new Tawan. When we entered, there was still a show, but it was about to end, and it was the drag lip-sync show. I have to admit that the drag show here is better, and I usually judge it by how "believable" it is. Shortly after, the boys go on the stage, around 20+ boys, most aren't my type. However, there is one guy, who is typically not my type but he does have very defined six-pack abs, only on a smaller frame, much smaller than I used to. J saw a few guys he liked as well and told me some of them he used to offed from fresh boys. Anyway, I guess the six-pack guy noticed that I've shown some interest and started to try quite hard to get my attention. We were seated very close to the stage, and since I'm already considering him, I asked him if he would go LT and he said yes. That's pretty much all I need to bring him down and start the negotiation. Since it's already late, I don't bother with boy drinks, called over a mamasan that is not mama lucy, and paid my drink and off fee, and I excuse myself while J is still thinking on who to pick. Later I found out he took off two boys! Again, my off deliver all I expected of him and little more. Hiring the guy who isn't the model or popular has its advantages. Almost always, the service is much better, eager to please and no issues such as asking to leave early. In fact, he stays with me way past noon, and even accompanies me for lunch at Icon Siam ground floor. He stays nearby the mall, so that works out great for both of us. I'm 2 for 2 now lol. Next - Day 3 - My First Repeat.

During New Year's Eve afternoon visited an excellent male brothel in the centre of Bogota. Found this service on the mileroticos link below: https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/insecretco-agencia-de-alto-nivel-para-caballeros-servicio-privado-de-bar/23746735/ Sent a message to the WhatsApp number shown and received a catalogue of available boys within an hour. Could not resist choosing the "6 hands massage $300,000 & (3) model (60) minutes" option given the extremely low price and promising pics of the guys offered. Received a prompt reply to my message from the venue manager confirming the availability of my boy selections for a 2 pm appointment the next day and provided the house location. He asked for my sexual preference and said my selected guys would meet this. In the evening received a further message asking me to confirm my booking, and in the morning was sent a goole map showing the house, located in a city centre residential area (Transversal 26). The house was very well appointed, clean and comfortable. It felt as though I was in someone's home as opposed to a brothel. Upon arrival was taken to one of four upstairs bedrooms by one of my selected boys. Was told to wait in the room for the manager to arrive. This turned out to be one of the guys for the catalogue. He went over the terms with me and asked for the payment. As I counted the cash, he pointed to my erection bulging in my pants, went on his knees and proceeded to give me an unprompted blow job. This lasted less than 30 seconds. He then said the boys will soon arrive, took the cash and left the room. Within a minute the first boy arrived with a big simile and gave me a kiss on the month, we both undressed as the second and third entered the room. Two of the guys were from Venezuela and the other was from Medellin. Two were 20 years old and the other 22. It was obvious that all three were gay as they talked about which guy was the hottest on gay porn playing on TV. We basically spend 10 mins kissing, 20 sucking and 20 funking and the last 10 mins chatting on the bed. All three guys were happy to suck my dick in turn while the others were playing with other parts of my body, kissing me or shoving their dick into my mouth. They constantly asked what they could do to please me. The big big dicked Venezuelan said he was active only. Had no issue with this as his was dick was most delicious and he was an expert kisser/sucker. Fucking the other two guys was more than enough for me. All three guys were true to the photos provided and had no issues getting hard. Obviously, they had been selected to work in this house not just for their good looks and sexual prowess. Will most certainly visit this house again when I next visit Bogota.

Stopped for a couple days in Zurich recently and here are the notes: 1. Paragonya's remodeling did not seem to get in the way. I don't remember what was closed off from my previous trip (more than a decade ago) but there seemed to be lots of cabins, showers, nooks. Every inch was Swiss-clean. The cabins had condoms, lube, paper towel, and alcohol sprays. The remodeling should be done in a few days so I'd love to hear from someone what that looks like. 2. There was a good crowd of clients and working boys. My estimate is at least 20 of each. 3. Days and Times: Definitely a weekend thing, in fact only open I believe Thu.-Sun. while remodeling is going on. Definitely an afternoon thing. By 2 pm, you will have seen everybody who will be available. (One guy who came around 4 was asked "why so late?") By 4:30-5 pm, the guys start leaving. 4. The talent: Lots of Brazilians, including one I saw in Barcelona just before. Lots of Romanians - smooth talkers, unreliable in the sack, very "business"; I used to enjoy this type but not so much anymore. Some Czechs, including a stunning muscle sweetheart. The rate is a firm 100CHF. I didn't sense an expectation of a tip. 5. The worst thing: I must have forgotten that Paragonya is a "private" club and therefore smoking is allowed inside. Although they must have some ventilation system at the bar to keep the place from turning into a BBQ pit, it was really getting to me. 6. Zurich in general. Still pretty expensive even with the favorable currency rates. Even the fast food and ethnic restaurants aren't a deal. The best concentration of passable eats and prices I found was, surprisingly, on the touristy pedestrian street right outside Paragonya. Otherwise, do what the Swiss do and get your sandwiches and coffee at the grocery store. I stayed at a pension in what turned out to be the edgy, ethnic, and slightly red-light neighborhood of Zurich. In addition to cafes and shawarma shops, think tattoo parlors, vape shops, strip clubs, and hard-working ladies still hanging out in fishnet stocking when the nippy morning came around. There were also plenty of guys in track suits hanging out in front of the clubs and ladies, including one hunky Russian-looking guy who gave me "a look," but I didn't have the opportunity to find out what he was selling. All in all, I'm already thinking about a return trip to Switzerland.

My self-respect always trumps emotion and ignored my heart ...

I dont know why, but when it comes to footprints in Thailand I am always a bit sceptical ...

He is not alone, i guess. I love this series! And I love Fluke sigh

You are bad, very bad

I second it, specially that I'm in similar predicament as we speak.

I've narrowed down what I read online....this is sufficient

Folks, Moses sent a message letting me know he is aware of the problem, but he is traveling now and will e back in about 1 week. He can't do anything about it until then. He told me the problem is definitely a virus. Please don't bypass the warning message. If you do, now the virus will end up on your own computer. If you bypassed it anyway, to be safe I advise you to change all your passwords - all of them. Otherwise the hacker might have access to your passwords. I'm sorry, but that's the situation the way it is.

I use Adobe Photoshop and it downsizes beautifully and does batch work fast.

It has much of interest, but it is a site almost exclusively focussed on gay pattaya.

I'm not into material things....If I came across a guy that I liked so much, that I wanted to help him. It would be time consuming but doable if you lived there. Help him open a small business (not Bar) for when he get's older and this profession won't provide for him, he'll have something to fall back after. A MAJOR task for sure....has anyone done this with someone, tell me what were your nightmares 😉

I happened to disagree, and I think you are just mirroring their sick obsessions. The Politics forum over there is just one forum, and only a deep intolerant mindset can be blind to the majority of non Conservative posters of all kinds. However, the Politics forum is just one forum. In the same way that I consistently encourage everyone there to come here, because Gayguides is the best resource to share information about international gay traveling and sex-traveling, I would encourage everyone here to join there if you are interested in USA escorts, masseurs, and strippers. Each of these two forums is unmatched on its specialization. If you do not have a thick skin or are too intolerant to deal with the crazies, just stay away from the Politics forum. But if you are looking for information on USA sex & related stuff, there is no better resource than Company of Men.

Well, it was almost complete.

So, I am old and bored and went back yet again. The lad I had chosen was the same one as before multiple times. But, I ensured the VIP room was available this time and @paulsfyou are right, it is a fucking climb up there (5th Floor). The room was a great VIP room but did have its own shower which I liked. The lad I chose was from Laos and was sweet and a decent massage and excellent sex. I would happily return again for him and a few others.

You could also luck out (sarcasm) on a boy that is from out of town that conveniently overstays his welcome at your place because he either doesn't have a hotel booked for the night or he doesn't want to travel far to his accommodations on the outskirts of the city. You think it's cool at first that you have this hunk in your bed, but you eventually realize you can't get rid of him. Sure, after overstaying the sex is now free, but your still on the hook for meals and maybe a little extra if he's low on cash. But soon you realize that this guy is hitting you up everyday to hangout in a way to discourage you from seeing other guys. His thinking is, if your with me there's no need to have sex with anyone else and spend all your cash on me. These are the guys that go to the sauna and ignore all the clients because at the end of the night they know they are going home with you. Additionally, other GPs won't approach you because this guy will give them shit if they do. This is one reason you see some GPs spend all night with one client. These guys pay little attention to the other clients because they have a client as their guaranteed meal ticket. Why would the boy chance going with another client if he knows that he's been with that guy before and he knows his kinks, fetishes, and he isn't treated like trash and is well compensated. That guy knows he could probably hustle and get 3 or 4 (huge maybe) clients and possibly make more money, but why work so hard if you can get one client that gives enough to be comfortable. When I had GPs spend days on end with me it usually starts off with them overstaying and inviting themselves to things I was going to do. I certainly didn't pay them for that time and I imagine it is the same way with the other clients as well. They have clients they either like to spend time with more or that they think are more lucrative over the long-term. Sometimes it's a slow night and that client seems like the best option to get paid so they stick with that client hoping for that payday.

Dear TotallyOz, Many thanks to you that we even have this forum to participate in. I am truly indebted to you that you continue to support this forum both financially and from a time commitment point of view. It is truly aporeciated. M.

But you must care a little because you continue to think about me. That's so precious that I find myself blushing at the attention. 🤗

117 Tuesday madness. Went at 6:20, too late. Full house, air conditioner can barely keep up with all the body heat. Long wait list for rooms. CROWDED! the last time I found a 117 boy I really liked was 2018. visiting 117 is like browsing men.com, muscle, beard, huge cocks, but I really just like Will Braun. In a sea of tall, muscular, rugged mature men, there are a few slim boyish type. One slim white boy, even speaks English, fully clothed standing a bit away from the crowd. But he is top only. Later offered to bottom for 400. unlike 202 boys, there is no kisses to warm up the deal, just business. Decide to pass. A charming black boy with a very tight body and a friendly smile, but he is already waiting for a room with a client. Another black boy with big hair, looks like a skinny black harry styles. stayed almost 2 hours, decided to save some energy for 202 Wednesday. All 3 boys I somewhat fancied already left. Unlike 202, entrance fee remained stable at 117, still a sexy 69. some good news on the ATM. I had sticked with Bradesco all these years for no ATM fee and great exchange rate, sadly that’s over. Not sure it is the fault of the US bank or Bradesco. So I tried Santander today. it charges 20R atm fee, and don’t show you the exchange rate. Later I gladly found that for a 1000 R withdrawal, it came at 5.06, much closer to xe.com posted rate.

If you want the most affortable guys, go West Africa. Cambodia are fully dedicated to customer, nice and polite behaviour, ready to offer a lot in bed, usually available for LT, can have slim or muscular body... Vietnam boys can be really handsome, then they play fashion models. I used to listen to them when they speak in thai... really no respect for customers they laugh at all the time not a nicely manner... I try to avoid them.

Asking open ended questions are not a good idea, in my experience. Offering anything other than a standard amount, without knowing the quality of the service isn't good either. Some guys are happy with 1 programa minimum per night, others want to try to get more, if it seems the night will bear it. If you plan on taking the guy to a suite but want to chat and have some drinks, just say so. Most sitting with a customer are doing just that, for the price of a programa. My deal is, I don't like going to suites, I prefer in my apartment. I explain this and tell them they are welcome to sit with me but when we're ready to go, we go together, 200 reis in my room....sometimes we go to eat before or after. Some will try to walk around looking for another customer, others will stay sitting or go smoke with their friends or play Bingo on those nights. To answer your question, the guys you see sitting with someone are just trying to "close the deal"....they're not being paid extra 99% of the times.

The short answer must be “It depends on the person you find attractive”. A rapid solution would be to ask the guy you like how much he needs to earn that evening, and offer to pay him that for his exclusive attention. A new guy may be very happy to hang out with you all evening with you paying for all drinks etc as well as the fee you agreed with him beforehand. An experienced guy, who has regular clients, may not want to spend much of the evening with you. He may not want to risk disappointing his regulars by being exclusively with you. Maybe you should ask this question of a guy you really like and want to spend extended time with. Just decide what you’re willing to pay and how long you’d like to be there, so you can ask something like ‘How much will it cost if we have 2 programs and spend 2 hours extra just talking, drinking etc?’

Considering "Telephone Pub" closed a long time ago, becoming Circus, my guess is this is a paid article written by someone who has never step foot in Bangkok. It could quite easily have been written by ChatGPT, as these AI only have access to outdated information.

Hello from Phuket where we celebrate Chinese New Year... without that many Chinese visitors... but so many Russians everywhere. The gay activity is still to be found only around the Paradise Complex. But I can say it was quite busy for the shows last Thrusday and Saturday. Mix of young and older farangs. Happy to see many old farangs in good shape, smiling, and enjoying their life here... Don't be upset if you go at 9.30pm and find a quiet place. Everybody arrives around 10.15pm for the shows at 10.30pm. Bars are then really packed. After the shows, around 23.00 23.30 many customers move to the Zag dance floor. Many farangs. On Gindr activity intensifies then with many Asian boys offering to meet. They don't come to the bar to find customers but hunt on Gindr. Very easy to find any kind of boys then. The massage places around were very quiet on afternoons and little busy at night. The boys there are apparently struggling to earn enough to survive as they are ready to do everything... I discovered how the 2 year Covid period is still beating them hard : they all borrowed money to banks...and now they must pay the banks back... so when tipping please don't be cheap Charlie if the boy try to do his best...

the same like us, boys sometimes got too emotional and reject otherwise reasonable offer regretting it soon after. I had cases , including Tawan when initial rejection was re-considered and after while boy approached me again saying "ok, ok" . At times it pays to stand firm. We are not any better, few times I felt stupid by missing somebody I like over 500 baht but generally I like ' be firm " approach as it helps to keep finances in check, specially when hot body is right beside guiding helpfully my hand THERE.

Actually, half way through our conversation, when he is still considering if he will go LT with me, I already regretting my decision asking LT from him. Very minor reason, which isnt his fault but just me being picky. So when he said he couldnt, i didnt even bother considering ST and find that this is a good opportunity to send him away without him losing face. One side note, there is another tawan guy who were chatting nearby told the first guy off for not going with me LT, saying he just missed an off. When he asked the guy how much was my offer, he got even more disappointed with the guy lol. Well, they were talking in thai, but in my head, thats what i thought how the conversation goes lol

Day 1 - The arrival My flight arrived at DMK around 6.30pm on a weekday, so immigration was smooth and minimal wait for my luggage. I am always guilty of overpacking, and this time around, I had to use my bigger luggage since the carry-on size cannot fit all my stuff, thus I decided to use a taxi. My flight did delay by about 1 hour, nothing too bad, but had I arrived on time, I could have shared a taxi with a forum member who just arrived from a trip an hour earlier. Arrived at the hotel around 8pm and arranged to meet with the forum member for dinner at G around 9pm after I unpacked and showered for the night out. I decided to first visit the lesser known bars for tonight, so we went to smaller bars on Soi 6, Golden Cock/Nature Boy, Super A and New Twilight (Queen). Queen unfortunately is not fully open yet, and told us they might have a show on the weekend, so we decided to not waste time there. We passed by Nature, which seems to have some boys not my type, and Super A, which has their door closed and no one outside, so we decided to skip. It is still quite early though. I also peeked through Tawan to see how small their new location is and indeed it is really small, but they had quite a good number of boys there. Since I've yet to visit dreamboy since they moved to patpong, and now they have moved to the old Lucky boy location, I decided to finally give dreamboy a proper visit and see their shows. As mentioned by many threads previously, dreamboy moved to lucky boy's location, upstairs. When you go up the stairs, even on the outside, you will see several boys, some shirtless sitting there, quite a feast to the eyes if you like the kind of boys on offer. Previously, the two huge pillars in the middle obstructed the view of the stage if you were unlucky enough to be seated behind them. Dreamboy decided to put the DJ table right there in between the two pillars thus it solved that part quite efficiently. We were seated in the second row which was fine for me, but yes, the music was way too loud to have any decent conversation. Decent numbers of boys, continuing the tradition of lucky boys, easily more than 40 boys of many sizes and ages, but no one is my type. I tend to be very picky body wise but more tolerant with the face, and I couldn't find one I wanted to off. Their infamous macho straight dancer who only goes with girls is still there, doing a few dance numbers as well as being the DJ there. He would've been the only one I might consider offing but too bad he is not available. Anyway, the show was just ok for me, the big cock show was there, the fake jerking off show was there, the drag shows were still there too but they seemed to do away with the funny slapstick comedy show by the katoeys. Since I didn't find anyone I like, we decided to leave. After I said goodbye to the forum member, I went back to Tawan and sat down. Ordered my drink and the boys were rotating on stage 3 at a time and yes all of them were wearing underwear with one of them, the obviously gay one who isn't as muscular as others, wearing a jockstrap. I saw one guy I like, an older type, but with a nice manly exotic face, with beautiful darker skin and a perfect muscular body, not too big, not too small. Asked him to sit with me and bought him a drink. The usual question of introduction, how long in Thailand etc, and then down to business. Asked if he is willing to go with me, yes. Asked if he will do LT, he paused, then said he is tired and asked if we can do ST. Told him, no. It is my first night here and I'm not compromising what I want haha. I asked him a second time, and said my offer, and he still hesitates. In the meantime, my eyes are already eyeing another guy, and through our conversation, I sort of felt like he doesn't really fit the kind of guy I want personality wise. So when he still says he can only do ST, I told him I am looking for LT and asked the guy I'm eyeing to come down as well to sit on my other side. Seeing this, he got the point and asked if he could leave and I said yes. This new guy, better looking than the guy before, bigger in size, typical thai skin complexion, body builder type body that looks like he is ready for competition. Bought him a drink as well and the usual conversation ensued. He is Issan, and will go with me for LT but asked for a higher tip but still within the range I'd pay for that quality. So I said yes, I'll off him. and he can get dressed. He went to get dressed, I paid the off fee and drinks, and off we went back to my hotel. Everything went well, I liked the chemistry with this guy and of course I enjoyed his body more lol. He woke me up a bit earlier than expected saying he needed to leave early though, something I usually don't have big issues with but certainly will impact my decision for a repeat. As in, he will not be my first choice but will still be in the running. Anyway, I went back to sleep after he left, and he asked me if I was ok with him leaving early and I said I understood. He seems glad that I didn't make any issue of this and yes, it's not a big issue for me. Side note, one forum member who I met before did reply to my thread and asked when we could meet. However, he didn't reply to my DM and line, but more on that for next update. Next - Day 2 - Getting into a routine

i just got back 2 weeks ago and i decided to go back the 8th of December for a week! the reason being i won’t be able to go the last half of December, January or February and March is 3 months away! Plus i had such a great time this last trip i talked myself into a quick trip back! (plus i met one particular guy i wanted to confirm he was as hot as i remember! 🤣 i am also staying in Copacabana for the first time in 12 years. i found a great apartment at a even greater price! My first 10 years i stayed only in Copa and the last 12 years i have only stayed in Ipanema(and is still my favorite) i have only stayed in Airbnbs since 2010 and definitely prefer them to hotels!

From The Thaiger Brief history of the Japanese Onsen in Thailand Yunomori Onsen & Spa changing rooms! Ever heard of the term ‘Onsen’ and just brushed it off as one of those things the Japanese oldies do somewhere out in the vast Japanese countryside, whilst butt-naked!? Well, you wouldn’t be far off, but did you know a slightly more modern, more modest (less naked) version is available for anyone to try right here in Bangkok, with several venues offering Japanese-style relaxation in and around the city? Onsen, or hot springs, have been part of Japanese life since ancient times. They were believed to be a place of healing and were often visited by the upper classes as a form of relaxation. Over time, onsen became a popular form of communal relaxation and entertainment, and people from all walks of life began to visit them. The tradition of onsen has continued to this day, with many modern onsens featuring facilities such as restaurants, bars, spas, and even karaoke rooms. Today, hot springs are a popular destination for tourists to Japan, who come for a unique experience and to relax in the warm, therapeutic waters. Onsens are also a popular activity for locals, who often enjoy the experience with friends and family. Since the 90s, venues started popping up across Thailand, mostly catering to the many hundreds of Japanese overseas workers living and working in Thailand, with Bangkok seeing the largest concentration. Yunomori Onsen & Spa claims to be the first authentic Japanese onsen spa in Thailand where guests can experience the ultimate relaxation with a combination of two ancient cultures: Japanese Onsen bathing culture and traditional Thai massage. Venues like Yunomori strive to provide their guests with an unforgettable experience that combines the healing properties of water sourced directly from the thermal springs of Wat Wangkanai with skilled Thai massage techniques. From head to toe, guests are immersed in a unique blend of soothing treatments that will leave them feeling refreshed and rejuvenated.

thanks @macaroni21 for the detailed response. It is very helpful. I think what I was looking for was more like Green Massage on Surawong and Paradis on Silom you mentioned. I like the thrill and I don't mind getting a good massage if there is no sex involved. Any leads on Pattaya?

You're kind of confirming what I thought you meant. The trouble is that both your "outright gay" and "normal" definitions contain two conditions each. What if one condition applies and the other does not apply? Let me describe the scenarios and you try to work them out: Senso and Arena might be your first ("oh, please God, no!") type. The boys line up in front of you and you choose one of them. I think they will have a minimum tip though I haven't been to either since Covid. However the outside of the shop is quite discrete, and no boys are hanging out front (though in Arena's case, they might be one or two outside on the balcony taking a smoke). But in Senso's case - as I recall, though other posters may update us - there s a rainbow flag out front. So, are these two "outright gay" places, by your definition? KK Massage and Sawatdee Massage do not have boys sitting out front. Nor do they even have boys lining up in front of you, or behind one-way mirrors, inside the shop. Nonetheless, you're expected to choose your masseur (from photos) and there is a minimum tip. Does this make them "outright gay"? Green Massage on Surawong and Paradis on Silom both have boys (and almost always boys) sitting out front. They may hail you as you walk past ("You want massage, sir?"). They kind of self-select rather than you choose the masseur and the price board does not indicate any minimum tip. However, both are on busy streets with lots of passers-by, and anyone seeing a male customer go into a shop with a male service provider will easily draw the conclusion that the customer is gay. (heterosexual customers generally choose shops with women masseuses out front).Not just passers-by, they usually would have other customers getting a foot massage in the downstairs lounge who have nothing better to do than to eye and judge every other customer walking in. In other words, the sexual orientation of the customer is actually much more visible to the public in such a shop as opposed to, say, Arena or Senso. The masseur may or may not do anything erotic inside the massage room. If they do choose to provide extra services, they may enter into a price negotiation with you inside the room halfway through the massage since no minimum tip was indicated by management. Some of us dislike such interruption. In any case, because of the constraints of three-quarter height partitions in some establishments, leading to loss of auditory privacy, they may not want to do insertive sex. Would Green and Pradis be "outright gay" places or "normal" places by your reckoning? (also, they almost never have in-room showers). Olivia Massage on both Surawong and Silom have a mix of men and women sitting out front. They therefore do not look like exclusively gay male establishments. However, it becomes even more starkly obvious that even when women are available out front, the customer is still walking in with a male service provider. "Aha, that's a gay bloke". Both are on busy streets with foot massage lounges on the ground floor. All the other issues I mentioned above (negotiation in situ, lack of auditory privacy, no in-room showers) also apply here. So - "outright gay" or "normal"? In short, why not use an app, and make sure the hotel does not have a joiner fee policy. But wait, the people in the lobby will see you having a male visitor....