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Day 2: Wake up at a blessedly normal local time, and lie in bed for a while idly browsing the apps. I didn’t have a particular plan for a morning delight, but chat briefly to a couple. Then I get a special message… I had been remotely browsing near my hotel from home for a couple of weeks and had an eye kept particularly on a guy I recognised from Emiel’s recent report. A delicious six-pack and a good review, I had planned to hit him up at some point, but fate decided it would be today, because he messaged me first. 2000 for massage and fun - ok! We arrange for him to visit after breakfast. No false profile here- just as good, if not better in person. He’s also very friendly and polite. Massage is excellent, great pressure and technique. His profile said vers, but sadly he says he’s shown up unprepared to bottom and promises “next time”. I get his line, and promise to hold him to that… Regardless a very good start to my day. Thanks for the tip, @emiel1981 I hang around the hotel pool for most of the day, then after dinner I get a Grab to Tawan. There’s a huge selection on there for the Saturday night, with 25+, and plenty of customers - enough that the boys keep getting ousted from their chairs to make more room. Mostly everyone is in good shape, and pretty huge, with only 2 slimmer guys who would still count as “twunks”. Many will be happy to know that jockstraps are still the mainstay, and they look fantastic. The off goes to the most enthusiastic of the night, who immediately makes their intentions known. I make them wait though, and say I plan to see the show. Show is entertaining, although too much drag for what I want for the night. There’s also a good sinuous body paint number, a BDSM spanking show, a few rounds of flexing, and a fuck show, which is pretty hot for a newbie like me. I give the bottom a tip which he takes between his teeth whilst being bent over my lap (Jeez..!), then my new friend Ten and I head out. 500 bar fine, 400 per drink, and 2500 for Ten. Then back to the hotel where I definitely get my money’s worth. Awkwardly, on getting back we run into 7/11 in the lobby, clearly leaving from another client, although he professes otherwise. He tells me later he’s upset with me- I might have to make it up later

Hi guys, Although this will be my first post, I’ve lurked here for a few months and gotten a tonne of (hopefully) excellent tips from you all for my first trip to the LOS. Hoping that my little trip report is both a good exercise to remember my trip by, but also might give back and help others live vicariously, as I did. Some context for the trip – I’m from Australia, and lucky enough to be able to travel occasionally for for work, now that our country has opened up again. As far as SEA, I’ve been to Vietnam 10 years ago, but never to Thailand. I booked my whole stay at one hotel - the SO/ Bangkok. Firstly, it looks super nice online, and the number of nights adds up to the exact amount left in my work travel fund – convenient. Next, it’s near Silom, and whilst not super convenient to the two places I needed to be for work during my stay, it was roughly between the two of them, and close to the MRT, if I get brave. I had planned to go for a full 2-week stint, but just before I was due to depart, I’m forced to reschedule my departure date for a funeral. After that, the need to ‘get out’ and reset elsewhere is strong. I am damn glad I’ve got a holiday booked... Although I do have travel insurance (to be worked out later after I come back), in the meantime, I worry about how the delayed departure is going to abuse my credit card – if anyone has similar worries in the future, FYI Singapore airlines let me change but charge me a fair bit to do so (the only remaining seat is then an ‘upgrade’ from business to business-flex, so I pay more for the same thing). Turns out there’s little leniency for the sake of funerals. On the other hand, my SO/ Bangkok stay was booked as non-refundable, and I expected this to be a completely dead loss, but after I call/email them, they kindly convert the 5 wasted nights into hotel credit (for food, drinks etc.), which I am really grateful for. At least it’s something! I figure I can safely drown my worries from the rooftop bar on that credit. Day 0: getting there. After a rough couple of weeks at home, an all-day couple of flights, I land just before 7pm local time. Singapore airlines business class is as good as I’ve been told… the food and wine are all delicious. I follow the very good advice from the forum and grab my bags, then head down to the lower level airport rail and get my local currency from the cheaper downstairs booth. Go back upstairs and get a cab to my hotel. The driver and I struggle to communicate, but it works out ok. By the time I make it to the hotel and up to my room, it’s nearly 9. The SO/ Bangkok common areas are beautiful and cool and comfy, and the rooms thankfully continue this (nothing worse than a hotel which blows all their money on a lobby then has dingy, crap rooms!). The rooms are themed with ‘mystical elements’ (e.g. metal, water, wood) and I get assigned a wood room. I’ve paid for the lowest level of ‘just a room’, but it’s easily as big as a suite in the average Aussie hotel – absolutely huge. My city-view room also includes a view of the river. The room itself is very nice – huge bathroom with both a bathtub and a rain shower; beautiful wooden floors and panelling throughout, and plenty of space – definitely enough space to spend over a week and not feel claustrophobic. Complimentary (non-alcoholic) mini-bar, and a good chocolate and fruit platter shows up ~20 minutes after I get in. The room and view: I finally get a much-needed shower and then on to the apps. At home it’s at least 1-2am (4 hour time difference), and I’ve been up since 5am, so I’m wondering if I have the stamina to do anything or have anyone over. I am considering just going to bed when I get a message. Do I want a massage and fun for 󠇍1500 baht? Why even think about it? Yes, I do. We’ll call him “7-Eleven”, because that’s the symbol he has tattooed on the back of his neck (I don’t bother to ask why…). He shows up within 20 minutes, and is cuter than advertised. Heavily tattooed (I don’t have strong opinions on this like some others here do), short and tightly muscled. Washboard abs and a perky little ass – delicious. No trouble getting him into the hotel despite having to change elevators via the 9th floor lobby – nobody said a thing, we just wandered up. The massage was very good, with good coverage and pressure; relaxing and just therapeutic enough that I don’t fall asleep during. Afters are great, with a seamless transition, and he was vers as advertised. Afterwards, we have a little chat, and he uses our time to get a little impromptu English pronunciation lesion - gotta love a guy who is still trying to improve himself into the small hours of the morning! He tells me he normally massages at Banyan Tree, so anyone staying there is in for a treat. After a 22 or so hour day, thankfully the beds are also great. 😴

Day 1: Despite my late night, I wake up early enough to be annoying. I guess the 4 hour difference is worse than I’d thought. I get up early anyway, and head off to a surprisingly great breakfast buffet. Even though the food is probably cheaper outside the hotel, I refuse to go adventuring before coffee, and getting the breakfast-included room rate is the easiest way to get the bill shifted to work. The spread here is great, and comes with a tree-top view of Lumphini park, so no regrets. I have work to do today, but given that the front of my trip has been cut short, I decide to show up late. I head out for a walk towards Silom, to try to get a feel for the place. Luckily, it’s not too hot by about 10am. On the street, all Thai people walking by me are still wearing masks - I keep my same approach used back home, and take it off for the outdoor stretches, putting it back on whenever I walk inside. The only maskless faces I see though are a couple of Caucasian ones. I grab a local SIM card, and then decide it’s actually too hot to wander around too much without a plan, and I don’t want to show up sweaty to my next destination. I get a Grab to Tailor On Ten - also recommended on this forum. I’m looking for a new suit, some shirts and a jacket. The staff are a little frantic that I’ve shown up without an appointment, given that someone else with a booking was due shortly after I arrived, but rather than reschedule, they decide to find a second staff member out the back to re-measure the other obvious repeat-shopper. The quality of the fabrics seem good, and I’m looking forward to seeing what is made in a week or so. They tell me I will need another 3 fittings, with the initial one 4 days later. The staff are chatty and I somehow manage to have a bit of a conversation about where some of their Aussie wool comes from, despite knowing absolutely nothing about such things. They grill me on whether or not Australia is so full of snakes and spiders that even visiting a Sydney hotel might not be safe… good to know our national anti-tourism campaigns are working. After the tailor, I get a Grab to Pak Kret for the afternoon of work, which finishes about 4. I had initially planned to hop back to the hotel via VCK (I promised myself I’ll visit this place before I go home), but I decide that by that time the traffic will be a mess, so I go back to the hotel directly. I decide to pay a visit to Sabaidee instead. On the map, this looks like it’s only a block or so away, but in reality it’s about a 20 minute walk, if you know where you’re going. I spend ages trying to find it, before I realise it’s essentially under a building in a carpark - not exactly where I was planning to find anything at all, but I guess it kinda fits a seedy gay massage shop. Inside, the manager shows me about 6 boys who are available. I’m told that it’s 700 baht for the house for an hour massage, plus an 1100 minimum in-room tip. I put two on my short list, and he calls one out for me to check out in person - “Mr Cow”, who is apparently “Man” and “top and bottom”. Mr Cow is definitely my type - somewhere between boy next door and hunk, with big swimmer-type shoulders, so he gets the nod and we go up one level into a dark massage room, with an in-room shower. Once we are both showered, one at a time, he stays naked, which at that point seems a good sign. The massage is so-so, light on pressure, although that’s ok as I’m looking to relax today, rather than have any knots ironed out. At one point, I notice that off to one side of the room, he’s got his phone playing porn, with a Japanese girl getting rammed by two guys playing on silent. After the massage itself finishes, he asks “Fuck? No fuck?”, and we move to stage 2. Unfortunately, it seems his obvious straight preference is an impairment, and he is pretty dependent on his phone to keep going. He tries his hardest, though, and manages to get the job done. Stage 2 is ok, but only really because I find him so good looking, rather than anything else. Afterwards, I ask if he likes just girls, or both girls and boys, and get an emphatic “Girls!” followed by an apologetic “boys are ok too”. I give him a couple of hundred extra for his effort. After I walk home, my plans to go out for the Friday night swiftly fall away as I pass out and sleep right through until 7am the next day.

Maybe I should have put this under Readers post about Super A bar, but it’s not all about A. So arrived about 8 pm on Emirates. This trip was so much easier than back in January! All needed was my passport. Even after the quick immigration entry, about twenty minutes, my suitcase practically landed in my hands at the luggage pickup. I did a hybrid trip from airport to Patpong 2. Using the airport rail to the last stop and then took a taxi looking for Tarntawan hotel. We didn’t find it but had taxi drop me off near all the bars. Asking the massage guys where it was and ended up in front of Taiwan. Where they directed me to opposite direction and I ended up in front of a group of about ten guys and asked them. Happened to be right at Super A bar.So they invited me in for a drink. About eight somewhat average looking guys. They lined up on the small stage and spilled over the rest of the bar to the door. The bar itself is small but not as small as I had imagined, maybe I’m thinking of the Golden cock from previous reports. I’ve been coming to Thailand for twenty years but spend most of my time in Pattaya and have only spent about ten days total in Bangkok. So I enjoyed a Leo beer while just relaxing knowing this vacation is just starting and I’ll have a lot to look forward to. So I motioned a couple boys to sit with me. One from Bangkok, Nai, sat with me and another older one, Toy sat on other side. An older Thai manager was there and the mamasan who wasn’t too pushy. But a rather aggressive message boy who I passed and spoke to on the way there showed up and started inserting himself into the conversation. I bought four drinks, including mine for 200 baht each. Tipped two boys 500 baht and Nai 1,000 for chuck wow. Nai was very sexy , about 20, very hairless and small. Not well endowed like the other guys but I put focus on him. I was amazed at how tiny his hands were. I think I’ll go back and use the room with him and get his line to avoid the bar and it’s fees. Probably should have done that but I enjoy hanging out in sleazy bars like this. Wish there were more. The bar charged 500 for what Nai did since we could have used upstairs room but we used the bar instead. Kind of reminded me of old Eros bar in Sunnee. Ended up spending about 3500 baht for about an hour and half of fun. I really enjoyed it there and will be back again. Toy escorted me to Tantawan after. I decided beforehand that the $700 I didn’t spend on an upgrade to business plus on Emirates, only from Dubai to Bangkok, that I’d blow it on the bars when I got there. It’s more fun not worrying about overpaying in this situation. And the boys really love taking my cash,lol. We all had a laugh when they used the flashlight on my wallet and I almost mistakenly mixed up a 1,000 baht for 100. The upgrade on Emirates wouldn’t have avoided the hour delay on runway, and my scariest landing ever. It was foggy and we had two sudden drops that brought gasps from my fellow passengers, then a real hard landing. I watch too many Smithsonian channel episodes of Air Disaster I suppose, but I had felt reassured when the pilots announced that one was an Aussie and the other from Switzerland. So Super A is alive and well. Think today I’ll try a massage, there’s so many it seems. And I’ll check out the go gos for some slim twink types. Sorry in advance if I’m late responding as I’ll update things that might be of interest to anyone.

But almost gave yourself an aneurysm thinking it was every ailment under the sun....😳

Good luck with however you finally weigh all considerations, but I think you’ll have a difficult time in your search for naked boys. Btw, how many new screen names do you intend to post under?

My biggest tip to prevent jealousy is don't make any promises, go with a guy and have a good time but don't promise to see them tomorrow. Tomorrow if you decide to see them again just show up, don't leave them waiting for you expecting the off. I still get some looks from certain boys if I pick someone else from their bar the next night, but it's not that common, i suspect it's usually an act.

One of my Bf de jour once joked to me that I wasn't so much a butterfly but a helicopter ! I was almost offended until I realised he was totally correct ! lol

(part 14) Back to the tidbit format 1. On my way to the Silom Square Market, when I walked past the small alley where Super A used to be, I noticed out of the corner of my eye some colorful but whore-ish lights. Made a turn to investigate and indeed Super A is back to business. @a-447 would be on cloud nine when he heard it. It was still quite early and there were only three boys inside, none got my attention. Told Mamasan I would be back. I did the next day at a much later time (around 11.30 pm). Opened the door by myself, saw no one around, no Mamasans, no bouncers, no boys, except for one, who was snoring on the couch. Kinda hoped I would see the line-up @readertalked about in his related thread. 2. When I was last in Bangkok late August, I noticed Banana Room in Silom Soi 4 started some sort of recruitment campaigns to attract more boys to their posse. Their boy number literally more than doubled overnight, and I could pick out familiar faces from Hotmale, Dream Boy and, in particular, Fresh Boys. However, larger quantity doesn't necessarily mean better quality. None of their boys (old or new) stood out to me, a customer who's deeply entrenched in the twink tribe. Nearly two months later, Banana Room still manages to keep a cast of quite decent size, enough to fill their small stage in three rows. After making my ususal rounds of bar hopping, I see that some new recruits already returned to their old bar of Dream Boy, which still boasts the most impressive collection in the soi in terms of boy number, variety and well, cock size. Fresh Boy, on the other hand, never quite recovered. They appear not to be able to stop the talent bleeding, and now have barely a dozen boy each night (versa around 25 to 30 in early August). Since they lost quite a few big-cock stars to both Banana Room and Dream Boy, their Big Cock show should be renamed to "I wish I were Bigger". This should be a sign of alarm as we all know the vicious cycle: as boys flock to the bar with more business and customers flock to the bar with more boys, fewer boys means less business, which means even fewer boys. Fresh Boy's problems may also mean Screw Boy would not re-open any time soon. 4. Speaking of which, New Twilight is in serious troubles. When I checked in around 11.30 pm one night, I saw no customers and also no boys sitting around. Their big pageant-style stage looks so hollow and empty, it's just sad. Mamasan told me their show already finished (but I doubt if there were any shows that night or even any customers for that matter) and if I'm interested, take a seat, he'll "whipped up" some boys for me to look at. I shook my head and walked back to the above-mentioned Super A, which fared a little better with one boy sound asleep on the couch. 5. While the twink quantity and quality has declined in all the Bangkok go-go bars I visited this week, the good news is a reverse trend can be seen in near-by massage parlors. I saw more than ever younger and twinkier masseurs in all the shops in that massage cluster at the entrance of Silom Soi 6. Best Massage in Silom Plaza (the one downstairs from Arena) has an all-male, mostly twinky staff in their late teens or early 20s, from which I could pick at least three to my taste. That's a new record for me, considering they currently only have about 7 to 8 masseurs. 6. My last night in Bangkok, I asked Boy 26 (reported in parts 8 and 10, his tag number in Dream Boy was later changed though) to join me for my last round through Silom Soi 4 - Patpong 2 - Moonlight - Hotel bedroom. In Moonlight, I spotted a former porn star standing on stage when I walked in. For a minute contemplated hiring him to re-create my favorite scene from Doctor Twink but decided against it. I'm no pornstar-cum-doctor material. By the way, the boy now looked more haggard and weather-beaten despite heavy make-up, his silky smooth complexion gone, and he also got a new nose. The only thing remaining more or less the same is his soulful eyes, which I love. To me, his original straight-bridge nose was really cute and suited his twinky look perfectly. Why he needed something with an even taller bridge and too "bulky" for his face? Speaking of which, Boy No 26's boyfriend also got a new nose last month, which cost him 8000B but IMHO doesn't do him any favors either. I asked Boy No 26 if he's going to get a new nose too and he said he considered it but too scared of getting hurt. Boy No 26 then gave me his own advice: your nose already looks nice, don't waste money on changing it. I think I'm gonna up his tip this time 😇. There were 6 models that night in Moonlight (Babe and Nicky were nowhere to be seen). At the end of their lining up on stage, something unusual happened. There was a big spender in the house, who presented EACH model a shot of whisky and a 1000B garland. It was the only tip of any kind the models received that night (as far as I can see). First Smarch, then Nut, Tum, York, and then Mark (their respective order in line if memory serves) all got it - drinking their shot and flaunting a garland around their neck. Finally, it's Korn's turn an there were no more whisky and garland. It was awkward. I can see Korn turned pale right there under his makeup. Face is a big thing in Thailand, and that looked like real slap in the face. Boy No 26 leaned toward me and whispered "Why the last one don't have?" Well, your guess is as good as Korn's. My theory is that a former customer held a grudge against Korn and did so just to spite him. A costly 5000B slap. Of course, it could simply be that the customer ran out of 1000B notes so the one at the end of the line becomes the unlucky duck. 7. Before I headed out to clubs with Boy No 26 for my last night in town, I opened my for-whoring-activity-only email to book a taxi to Pattaya and saw that I got a message from @vinapu who just touched down in Bangkok two days ago. It was too late, it's my last night and I'm about to meet with my boy du jour. No time planning for a meeting so I set off a bit early, stopping by both Soi 4 and Patpong 2 on a slim chance I might catch a glimpse of my orgy-ology professor and say hi. I also checked with Tiny Lao (reported in part 7), who confirmed in not so many words that Mr. KFC is indeed back and the whole soi is still celebrating, boys rushing to open new bank accounts, it's a total chaos. FYI: Mr. KFC only stopped by Bangkok for one night on his way to Cambodia and he wanted to talk to his student about some whoring experience there (reported in details in parts 3 to 6). 8. Now to Pattaya's news. There is a new boy in Boyz Boyz Boyz, who make waves in Boyztown because he refused to have sex with customers no matter how much money they offered him. The boy is from Chiang Mai and he is really really really good-looking. Yes really. The gay chubby bouncer at the Pikky bar opposite, who shared this piece of intel with me, can't stop gushing about how good looking the boy is. Too bad the boy wasn't working that night so I can't confirm it myself. Rumor has it, customers were turned down left and right. The highest bidder so far went for 15000B, but the answer was still NO. The boy made it clear he was there to earn money only on tips and drinks, not sex (wonder if adding one more 0 would make any differences). I may come back to Boyz Boyz Boyz to check him out and report back if I have a chance. 9. On a sad note, S and his unfriendly boyfriend (reported in details in part 13), who had been together for almost 5 years, broke up just a few weeks after they started working in the same massage shop in Jomtien Complex. S did not respond to my messages, but his boyfriend said they broke up because they couldn't handle being in an exclusive relationship while going with customers at the same time. S is actually the one who has problems. They fought almost every time the boyfriend was back from servicing customers. "I don't want to do this but we really need the money" the boyfriend said. That time, I went to watch a show in M2M bar in the complex. Since there was a Thai boy working in that bar, who was offended by my unwarranted joke (reported in I asked the boyfriend to tag along just to feel safer (S himself had two customers in a row that night and was too tired to go). Somehow, it was interpreted as a date and they had a particularly big fight after that. S even messaged me 2 a.m. in the morning, wanting to talk about it. "You are not the problem. The problem has been there for some time. And there are other things too." Boyfriend told me in case I feel guilty. They finally broke up a few days later. S said he no longer wanted to do massage work and planned to move back home (I don't know if he did). Boyfriend stays to continue working in his massage shop for now. (to be continued)

Are you reading from a list of some sort.......I didn't call you any names, that's what "sticks and stones" refers to. Just a simple observation..... Let's see if I can come up with one.....empty barrels make the most noise 🤔

and can't manage money when they have it......🙄

I would not be travelling to Koh Tao given the recent record of unexplained deaths there, unless pinned on some Burmese labourer. The rumours that circulate about powerful local families operating with impunity in a closed community are not encouraging. https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/millionaire-couple-found-dead-on-thailands-notorious-death-island/news-story/400c57bdd4948105d0c89882253afcdb

I’ll try to answer your questions since they don’t seem to be directly addressed here. Some GPs are at the saunas on pre-determined dates with clients. Most often, you will spot these GPs in one of the bar areas, sharing a drink or two or sometimes a bite to eat with a client — and most often, either or both are fully dressed. The kicker is if the GP is not available to speak to other clients before / during / soon after that pre-arranged date (understandably, most clients aren’t going to like it very much if their pay date is using his paid time to book another date). So, if that GP that you hooked up with turned out to be available, most likely either his client date had already left (or cum and gone) or it was just a non-sexual date and he got paid for his time (yes, this is more common than you might think). There could be several reasons why a GP’s dick doesn’t get hard. It doesn’t necessarily mean he already ejaculated with a previous client. Most GPs will stop working for the night once they do cum, so I doubt that was this guy’s reason. Maybe at that moment, he just couldn’t get aroused. It’s hard to believe sometimes, but garotos are human, not machines.

That's excellent advice. I recall only two occasions during my Butterfly Days when I incurred the wrath of mbs; both of them claimed that I'd promised to see them and failed to do so. Some guys are short of money and live day-to- day and so their sensitivity on this issue is understandable. I learnt to be more careful with my casual remarks.

It's also possible that customer doesn't know Korn well enough. Korn is a recent addition to the Moonlight model line up.

From CNN A US judge in Texas ruled on Friday that people killed in two Boeing (BA) 737 MAX crashes are legally considered “crime victims,” a designation that will determine what remedies should be imposed. In December, some crash victims’ relatives said the US Justice Department violated their legal rights when it struck a January 2021 deferred prosecution agreement with the planemaker over two crashes that killed 346 people. The families argued the government “lied and violated their rights through a secret process” and asked US District Judge Reed O’Connor to rescind Boeing’s immunity from criminal prosecution – which was part of the $2.5 billion agreement – and order the planemaker publicly arraigned on felony charges. O’Connor ruled on Friday that “in sum, but for Boeing’s criminal conspiracy to defraud the (Federal Aviation Administration), 346 people would not have lost their lives in the crashes.” Paul Cassell, a lawyer for the families, said the ruling “is a tremendous victory” and “sets the stage for a pivotal hearing, where we will present proposed remedies that will allow criminal prosecution to hold Boeing fully accountable.” Boeing did not immediately comment.

I wish Bangkok Pat would do a report on our former Soi Twilight and related history. I have written to him to ask him to do it but there was no reply from him - so perhaps that is not his cup of tea..... But I believe many of us follow him and watch his excellent reports.

Great judgement. I always thought of Boeing as the finest aircraft company. I adored the 747 in its various versions and still miss it after hundreds of flights. But from what we now KNOW about the development of the 737 MAX, the basic premise that by not designing a new aircraft and instead yet again attempting to modify a 1960s airframe with engines too big for it, the short cuts taken virutally all aong the production line and then the introduction of the MCAS system without telling pilots about it - the company has to be viewed as far more than negligent. The bean counters knew precisely what they were doing as numberous whistle blowers eventually proved. Boeing has to pay up as criminals. But I suggest the ruling does not go far enough. The FAA thanks to its too cosy relationship conspired with Boeing and has to bear a fair degree of the blame and contribute to damages settlements. Perhaps the FAA was not part of this law suit. If not, then one has to be brought against it sooner than later IMHO. At least we now have the satisfaction of knowing that this rot in the aircraft industry and its regulators will most likely be rooted out. The skies will be safer as a result.

I agree! Find the apps boring as opposed to enjoying the bars.

Where did I mentioned year 1919? Whan Stalin become premier Kalinin was still head of state, as figurehed as British monarchs are. As for me not having an idea about Russian history, all I can say is watch your mouth young man ! But I fully agree it's a pity if one doesn't have an idea about Russian history. I bet every Russian student knows Catherine the Great, Zhukov and Kutuzov but do they know Beria, Yagoda or Yezhov ? If they knew, perhaps they'd assess better their country present adventurism.

In 44 trips I have never seen a loss of face due to my butterflying. Examples of making Thai people lose face (so to be avoided) include interfering with their property, using the f.. word at them, using a scornful tone, gross undertipping, or being angry and rude.

I find this hard to believe, though I am no expert on such legal matters. Almost all countries have laws against sexual contact with underaged persons. I don't know of any country that wouldn't apply those laws to any foreigner commiting such transgressions within its boundaries. That means visitors are obliged to observe the host country's laws. What you may be confusing it with is extra-territorial reach of US laws. Yes, some countries have given their anti pedophilia laws extra-territorial reach, which means your home country laws still apply to you even if you are abroad. Travellers from such countries are therefore subject to both countries' laws. Why then have some countries chosen to give extra-territorial reach? One value of doing so is to be able to apprehend pedophiles after they have returned home, especially after short trips abroad. Its easier to prosecute in the home country after receiving evidence from the destination country rather than go through the hoary process of extraditing the accused to the destination country. So, if the two countries have different ages of consent, the wise thing to do is to observe the higher of the two. If the destination country uses 21 as age of consent, no amount of citing US age of consent will help you when arrested in the destination country. Bear in mind too that some countries have one age of consent for non commercial sex and a higher age for commercial sex.

Offers of 15,000 baht !!!😳😳 Must be a lot of farangs with money to throw around ,I wouldn't even offer Justin Bieber that

Some time ago I did a day trip to Koh Phangan. Even in the daytime the beaches were nothing special and certainly not gay. I'll put in another plug for the beaches at Khao Lak about 80 kms north of Phuket airport. Don't expect much gay life, if any, but it's a great quiet location to bring a young gay friend. Totally wiped out in the 2004 tsunami, Khao Lak is now a string of hotels set mercifully apart from each other along the most stunning beach. We spent a great 5 days there.

Great video. The narrator really does his home work. The cinema he mentions where gay cruising goes on is only a few minutes walk from the BTS stop (side of road opposite Big C). When you leave station, walk back in direction of downtown and you’ll come to a Soi that has a few male massage shops. Continue further and you come to huge cinema on left. If you continue to the end you arrive at 39 Underground Sauna, a long established local gathering spot where farang are few but nevertheless welcome. As for the cinema, it had to be about 2003 that I first discovered it. In the days before smart phones and social media, this place was showing mostly western porn to large audiences of guys of all ages, most of whom were there for a blow job or two. On weekends it attracted huge number of university students, military types and working guys, and of course those who held them in high regard. In fewer places was democracy more on display. Last time I checked it out was precovid and it was shadow of itself, showing reruns of former western and Asian adventure films. MBs we’re always available as we’re some LBs. the price of admission remains 60 bht. It is rumored to be owned by an influential individual who still finds a way to make a go of it. Overall, I highly agree with narrator that Saphan Kwai is a fascinating place worth exploring.

I have never found the guys to be clingy or demanding. As Nikom says, guys will often recommend their friends - they seem quite willing to share the money around and help each other out. It's one of their many admirable qualities.

Looks like Stalin announcing that Kalinin asked him to form govrnment

Visited this shop for first time today about 16:30. One boy in shop but manager showed me photos on phone of about 15 who were available on call. I chose one and was taken to room. By time I finished shower he arrived and showered. As it turned out, he was my first gay masseur of trip and performed well. The one hour oil was 420 baht and was informed full service minimum tip was 1,000 (well earned). When I left there were three in the shop, any one of whom I’d take. Rooms here on first floor with mattress on floor atop foot-high platform. Shower down the hall. I took Blue Line and walked Sutthisan Winichai Rd. from Sutthisan station. It took about 22 minutes but I prefer approaching in opposite direction from Saphan Kwai because shops along way more interesting and sidewalks better. By 16:00, that side of road mostly in shade. Two bus routes serve this road. I began walking toward Saphan Kwai and I travelled no more than 3-4 minutes when I came upon KK Spa, a shop I’ve visited in three earlier occasions this trip. If you aren’t a slut like me you would have concluded that you’ve had sufficient fun and just headed home. I of course opened the door and was presented with a bottle of water and a new photo array. Several guys made the short list but the beaming smile on one sealed it and I agreed to one hour oil for 350 baht. I took shower and when I returned my guy had arrived and was stripping down. He was bigger than he looked in photo and had great tats. Turned out to be 22 year old Cambodian. I had chosen well because after he showered he demonstrated that straight guys know what the he’ll it’s all about. I traded places with after less than 15 minutes and he was a bit surprised. He soon discovered that this was a great idea and completely relaxed. He showered with me and we took turns soaping up each other. The minimum tip was 800 and I gladly tuned that up. From what I gather, these shops are keenly aware that their main source of income is locals and have adjusted their fees down in the past week or so. The guys are all free lancers and derive their income solely from tips. In the Silom area, most guys are on staff and get a cut of the fee because they have specified work hours to be available in shop. I believe the reason so many hot guys are available in these more remote locations is geography. These are the areas Thais and other Asians can afford to live. Some work other jobs during the day and are on call later.

I once read a fascinating book The Nature of Personal Reality. Effectively it suggests that we are all conditioned by our upbringing (pretty obvious) and that the way we lead our lives is to a large extent conditioned by what is instilled in us from birth by our parents and family. If we are going to carve out a reality for ourselves, we have to work quite hard mentally to find a way to break free from at least some of these early beliefs. From a young age I wanted to get away from home. Initially it was nothing to do with being gay, but that changed. I just wanted somehow to find a job that would take me away from my home country and give me the opportunity of seeing more of the world. It took some years but eventually I found myself in Asia in my late 20s. For most of the time it was Hong Kong, a territory I knew virtually nothing about before I landed at the old Kai Tak airport. Almost instantly I fell madly in love with the place - even though it still had the old British colonial anti-sodomy law on the statute books (this was not repealed until around 1990). That turned out to be no barrier to forming relationships with the stunning young guys I was to meet there. My second piece of luck was that there were virtually no westerners in the region working in my particular field. So within just a few years I was travelling reguarly all around Asia mostly on business trips but with a free week-end in the middle. I felt I had hit the jackpot. I stil remember so many of the guys I met in various countries decades ago. Andy from Blue Boy in Kuala Lumpur with whom I spent two blissful nights in just my second year. Armando in Manila. Yusuke and a six month affair in Tokyo. Sombat in Bangkok. Yoick in Seoul. David a model in Qingdao. Jonathan from Taiwan and a five year affair. Fai whom I saw frequently in Singapore. Before that move, I was given a multitude of advice about why moving to Hong Kong would be wrong for me and the career path I thought I wanted. I admit I was also full of doubts. But it was a 2 year contract with my Board having an option on a third. In the end that just seemed a small period earlyish in my life I might lose if I found I just did not like either the work or Asia. Rarely if ever I have I found life boring. It only took a couple of years before I'd be landing again at Kai Tak and realising I was home. And Asia has been my home since then.

Many consider gifts, clothes, dinner....paid sex. Remember, I'm referring to the Puritanical USA.

If you went for the sole purpose to have sex with the 16 yr old, the US could and might prosecute if they were aware of it....happened to people that traveled to Cambodia I saw on 60 mins or something a few yrs back.

That's easy, just tell the pharmacy you are a sex worker. 😅

Or is it another planted tipping garlands someone mentioned before? Left one guy in hope other customer feel the need to tip that poor guy? Hehe.

probably any full spectrum will do. doxy is the one studies, i used cyprofloxin in colombia. oh, I also take tadalafil and sildenafil for those difficult nights...

dont forget doxycycline- prep / doxy-PEP.

Really? It, s like going to the market or mall, sit in the corner and do all shopping from your tablet on internet.

I was recently in Dream Boys on Saturday night, when it was busy, and we were seated up in the third or fourth row on the left of the stage as you face it. My BF, on his way to the toilet, spotted that in the semi open space to one side behind the last row of seats all the big cock boys boys(12/14) were wanking to get big and hard for their imminent show. I immediately felt the call of the nature and was very taken by the backstage show, some boys standing, some sitting, but all reaching the right level of tumescence and all condomed up so customers could later touch them after the show. I got a preview as the the nearest cock to where I was standing, of considerable thickness and attached to a slim young man of reasonable looks was thrust into my hand. The feel of the girth in my hand and the enthusiasm with which he pursued my custom made the result inevitable. Back in the hotel he suggested we showered together and he soaped me all over paying particular attention to my cock. Slightly weirdly he was happy to suck said cock without a condom, but wanted a condom on his own if I was to suck that! Perhaps the performers are so used to a latex barrier between themselves and customers that is their best way to get it up. Anyway he performed as requested, while clearly being straight, and and professionally if without passion. I came, he didn't, claiming that he was too drunk, but more likely he was preserving his strength for another show or customer(there was still time). It didn't bother me. He received the requested(by him) 2,000 Baht for short time and was on his way. Off had been 550 baht rather than the anticipated 500 for some incomprehensible reason that wasn't worth arguing about, and customer drinks were 500 and boy drinks 400(he had a beer).

During low season often if you take off a guy he will later suggest that you take off his room mate so they can pay the rent!

Why are you only reading stories from people that don’t get what they want. Go back and read many of the stories here in the forums of all the fun times that most of us have. Most of the boys speak enough English to get your point across. If you start your trip with negative thoughts that’s what will happen. Most of us get on the plane with happy thoughts of all the fun we’ll have. You will have a negative experience, just don’t dwell on it., just move on. Lots of boys waiting for your arrival and to show you a fun time.

I lived in Barranco area, Lima for 9 months. Lima is not a cosmopolitan capital like BuenosAires. After 9pm on any street and Miraflores area are completely dead. There are one or two theaters, tiny things and are not perform all year round. The actions only happen during the weekend, mainly Friday and Saturday night, and pickup place is in Kennedy’s park. City center is not safe and hardly any one after 9pm even on the weekend. Taxi and transportation via application are available, it has Metro runs until 10pm. along the coast from Barranco to Miraflores and a bit beyond is fine and the most safest area in Lima. sex and fun, with two gay saunas, one is active and fun but best visit during the day and early evening. Gay bars and mix 🕺 dico for pickups young native Peruvian. with recent migration from Venezuela, there are plenty of young and beautiful Boys available on gay applications…… amazing choices and reasonable prices. Lima: 3 nights 4 days is plenty unless you madly in love with Food and young migrant from Venezuela. Recent trip, 8 months ago, I had an amazing three nights with some of the best good looking Latinos, mostly Young Venezulano. Venezulanos, comes in all shades from very dark Carribean to Super white, very much like Brazilian. Peru in general is safer and you can be more relax. I’m getting hard just thinking of those guy…… ps, ask the questions on what services included before you settle with cost and never pay up front or send money upon the meeting. 90% of Venezulanos are straight and I love fucking straight guy, especially the gorgeous one. Long term stay, along the coast is the best place, walking distance to everywhere. All the best.

I spent a few days in Athens in late September. I decided to try out few of the places mentioned on this thread, to see if they were still going or had been wiped out by the Covid years. I am not an ideal candidate the task, as i am generally too nervous to actually hire bar hustlers or street rentboys, but I though of the readers of this website, and steeled myself to go out and about.. Adventures in Bars: Both the bars that have been reported here as having escorts - Sami's Bar and Bizzar - are close to Viktoria Metro stop, so I took train there on a Saturday evening. One of the bars is actually only open on Friday and Saturday, so you better be in Athens at the weekend if you want to try them out. I walked around the square above the metro stop first. There were a few guys sitting on the park benches and looking at men that passed – it was obviously what they were after. I didnt linger though, and went to Sami’s Bar first (often spelled “Sammi’s” on social media) When I arrived at around 9.00 pm it was nearly empty. The friendly staff told me it would get busier later, and by ten there was about four customers in the place. No real interaction between them, apart from chatting to the friendly staff. I was frustrated that the sexy Persian guys Xclay met on his visits hadn't turned up, although perhaps it was too early. I decided to abandon it and went to Bizzar bar. This was busier, about 12 customers. There were a few younger guys circulating but they were shy about approaching you in the bar. What I figured out was that when a guy went downstairs to the toilets, they followed you down and made their pitch there. I talked to a Romanian guy during one trip downstairs, and an Egyptian on the next. The Romanian guy was pleasant and offered some fun in the toilets for €40. I did not take him up. The Egyptian guy was more pressing, and when I rejected his suggestion of going into the cubicle for some fun (my understanding was that this would involve me sucking him off, and nothing more), his suggestion of €40 rapidly dropped to €30 and eventually ended up with just begging for some money to eat. I gave him 10 euro and went back up the stairs, just in time to see the Romanian guy leaving with a customer. I then regretted not taking my chances with him, of course. Guys on Omonia Square: The next night, Sunday, decided to walk around the northern side of Omonia Square, to see if they guys were still there. Long time readers of this site might remember that I tried this scene before Covid, but was too chickenshit to do anything in the end. Well, history repeated itself. At about 10 pm on the Sunday, I walked north from Omonia Square towards the pedestrian street the Cosmopolit hotel is on. Plenty of female hookers giving me the eye, but no guys I noticed (there was lot of Middle Eastern-looking guys hanging in groups of two or three, but I did not get the impression they were on the game). Then suddenly a young guy came up to me and started chatting. He started telling me about how you could rent a room for €10 from the Cosmopolit etc. He did not say why, and I was unsure at first if he was trying to pimp a women to me or what. However, it when he said he just wanted €40, it became clearer. He looked Syrian or Iraqi, and was a bit jumpy in manner, so I was too nervous to go anywhere with him. I asked him where he was from and he claimed to be called Alex from Thessalonica. I said thanks, but no thanks, and walked away. But as I had evinced some curiosity, he was not to be shaken off too easily, and followed me round Omonia Square for five minutes trying to get me to change my mind, and did not give up until I was nearly at the Athinaikon restaurant on Themistocles St. Not an interaction that would tempt me back to Omonia Square Guys on web After that, I decided to play it a bit safer, and looked at some guys on the web. Chatted to a few guys on various sites – the main site for Athens is Hunqz, as far as I can see. I agreed to meet two guys, one on Monday and one on Tuesday. The price for each was €100, I went to the apartment of one guy and asked another to come to my hotel – I offered him an extra €20 for this. Both the guys I chose had a number of positive reviews, which is largely why I chose them. They were very polite and pleasant.

It's because my life is boring here that I strive to get away from it....to Thailand!

I went to Chili Pepper once.....after going to GP saunas and being able to shop and pick anyone there....the "for free" saunas are annoying, usually. Guys that aren't my type wanting and touching me and the guys that I want, not interested or more bottom than me, lol I like feeling like a Kennedy every now and then (as I heard someone tell Customs in the USA upon being asked why he goes to BKK so much)....SO the GP saunas fit that bill 😁

Part 3 Encounters Slvkguy did excellent analysis of the scene in PV in his post above and as you will see below my experiences are confirming it to a great degree. I had 5 massages, all 1 hr long and met 3 escorts, I describe massages first as one of massage guys become escort later. 1st encounter , in the shop on my hotel’s street I passed by , noticed few boys sitting outside , all on hunky side as all masseurs in PV it seems but one drew my particular attention so I motioned him to go inside. I was instructed to lay on the bed and wait for the guy who arrived after 2-3 minutes. He was fully dressed , I asked how much is massage – 700 pesos=35 USD for 1 hr. Massage was good but he studiously avoided being too close to my bit outstretched hands. Only after turnover he asked me how I want to finish. I asked him to remove shirt , yes for 500 extra. What about shorts? Another 500. Approved and only then , in complete silence I had a chance to put my hands on him. Bit expensive at 1700 total thought I but at least body was great. I did not ask for contact neither him offered. In fact I never saw him at that shop again which was too bad (that body, sigh!) 2nd encounter I mentoned I saw outstanding hunk in front of shop in the center of Zona Romantica but being sweaty went to hotel to take shower , returned , he was gone but I grabbed another hunk, probably closer to 40 than 30. Again , procedure the same, cost 700 , if I want him to remove shirt 200 more so I went for that 900 package. Massage very thorough and he was not shy being close to the table so I could feel this and that through his shorts and package was sizable , even if only half erected. But that was it when comes to steamy part. Gave him 1000, he gave me strong hug and asked to see him again. 3rd encounter Guy messaged me on Grindr and asked it I want massage, picture looked good so I took an offer. By the way 3 out of 4 guys I saw in flesh and on Grindr looked much better in flesh thank on their picture. He said he can come to my room or I can come to his shop. Keeping in mind 300 fee I opted for shop which turned out to be the same when I had my 1st . Massage 700 and if I wanted him naked 500 extra. Either he was less greedy or 1st guy took me for ride. So I had my naked masseur although he only lowered his shorts to the ankles but that was good enough. Nice time for 1200 but still not that cheap at equivalent of 2000 baht. Massage itself was weakest out of all I had. Since we communicated through Grindr he expressed wish to see me again and asked me to contact him there. 4th encounter I took a stroll toward gay section of the beach and adjacent Blue Chairs hotel and noticed 2 massage shops there. In front on one was a HUNK who in fact ignored me but I’m not that easily discouraged when comes to hunks so when coming back few minutes later I motioned him to go inside. Relaxing massage 750, deep tissue 1000. I went for deep tissue. Clothing removing question came pretty fast , 500 extra, agreed. Great body , big everywhere so I had a bit of fun exploring it although it was still on modest side , mindful of conspiracy. His face looked familiar so I asked if he is on Grindr. Yes. He gave me him phone number inviting to call him when need arises. I did the same day in the evening – see Guy 3 below. 5th encounter On my last day after I checked out of room I had 3 hours waiting time before arrival of airport van. Most logic was to have a massage g followed by some lunch and I decided to check those shops on Blue Char street again. There was nobody in one I went to day before but across the street there were 4 sizable guys sitting in front of other shop. One raised his had from smartphone screen and asked ‘ massage ? ‘ Deal. Price the same 750 or 1000. Again I went for deep tissue for 1000 and it was best massage out of those 5. No mention of shirt , even less shorts removal so just massage it is. It was only one when we actually talked during session. Nothing steamy but he let me to feel his private through the shorts and his ass was of particularly pleasant firm and bubbly quality. So I gave him 1200. He wanted to give me his number and was very disappointed to learn I’m leaving in hour and half. Had I stay longer , for sure we would have another meeting ,if only to see what his shorts were hiding. In fact I saw him again, when van was picking me up he was just passing by on his way home and our smiley eyes crossed again. So as you can see , while massages per se were on rather professional side , not really much happened to terms of steam and all that at expense much higher than would be in Bangkok ( 1000 peso is about 1800 baht ) Guys There were three. First On my first night upon return from Anthropology I noticed than quite pleasant looking guy contacted me on Grindr, not only saying ‘Hi’ but also posting his enticing nude pictures. Nevr mind it was past 1 am , I responded. Upon learning when I satay it was “ ouch , you hotels doesn’t allow guests but if you want you can ask them. “ So I went down, was informed it will be 300 and visitor must resent ID and will received bracelet upon entry. Sent message again and few minutes later guy was there. Wanted whopping 2000 and since it was my first night I agreed. As it turned later he lived block and half away only. I liked what I saw , man looking much better than on his pics. Athletic rather than muscular with impressive certain important muscle so to speak. Very professional , perhaps too professional as exactly after one hour his phone buzzed indicating time is over. But I liked him and my time with him so I suggested I can meet him every night whole week for 1500 a pop. Immediately accepted, he even suggested that I can see him in his place and instead paying hotel 300 each time I can pay that to him. Despite time being 2.30 am my mind was not that clouded so I countered that we split that 300 half / half. So for next few nights I went to his place for our hour of fun. And then after 5th time all of the sudden he went silent , not responding to my messages. Not a tragedy since I had consolation in Anthropology but I was curious what’s going on. Then on my last day he contacted me again , asked if we can meet and suggested my place for a change. It was funny as he came few minutes after my previous guest, Boy Third left , generating knowing smile by night shift manager. I did not get any explanation about that silence from yesterday, I did not ask either. All went very well as every night whole week but it must be spoiler, since it was our last night he asked for 500 extra. I paid but since I don’t like such antics I blocked my sweetie on Grindr and What’s Up as soon as left for the airport. Sorry man but deal is a deal, it was supposed to be 1500. Second When I fired Grindr on evening of arrival I noticed immediately shockingly attractive hunk . Coming to PV I decided that I will engage only guys who will be contacting me first. So I was extremely excited next day when he , noticing I checked his profile contacted me and offered his services. My judgement was clouded by his attractiveness so I even agreed to his 2000 fee. He preferred meeting at his place but it was short walk so I did not mind and went there. Yes it was him, profile was not fake but still somewhat manipulated. Face was as handsome , body was great but six pack somehow disappeared, butt shrunk and he , sensing perhaps my excitement, turned bit sandbagy. So while I liked our time together I knew coming down that it was it , specially for that kind of money. Third As I mentioned my 4th masseur’s face was familiar , he admitted to being on Grindr so upon returning to hotel I checked and found him, asked if he wants to see me in my room . We agreed on late evening the same day. Of course whole 300 fee and bracelet procedure but it was worth it. As I said , he was HUNK and turned not to be time watcher , no alarm clock at passing 1 hr. and seemed genuinely pleased that I like him or rather his body so much. Quite a catch with one of most beautiful cocks ever invented but foremost very service oriented personality. I upped his fee of 1500 to 2000 , well deserved , specially in view of granting us more time that that standard hour. So to summarize my PV flesh experience, strip club was fun, expensive but lively fun. One can economize a bit by reducing size of tips and have one , not three boys sitting with him on the evening but it was worth. Massages per se were good value as massages but really who needs massage in massage shop, that’s novelty for me. I’d say expensive way of getting boy’s contact information. Big plus was that almost all guys working in all places were well built and handsome, even if they had rotation system , one can’t go wrong. As for my guest’s and host’s, while compared to Bangkok more expensive , special per unit of time , two out three were very hot , pleasant , well endowed and free of antics. I liked them but at night I think I rather dream about my Bangkok guys than Vallarta ones. Will I go there again ? Quite possibly. I had good time there , boy encounters were more addition than goal itself. I did not feel pressured by myself to chase them , it just happened they appeared on horizon and I grabbed them. Will PV become competition to Thailand in my heart ? No way as on every account , hotels , boys , massages , tips , time watching Thailand represents better, really much better value but Vallarta has one advantage - it takes half price and 1/5 time to get there as opposite to BKK and no jet lag so at one point I may become fan of the place.

Part 2 Disclaimer : my time there was short and it was my first visit in Mexico boy hunting so don’t treat anything I write as a Gospel. Those are my impressions but all is based on relatively small statistic sample gathered in short span of time so I may be wrong or inaccurate. When comes to pricing , definitely I made typical novice’s mistakes buy over paying and under negotiating services. Even after week I saw it. Even if spot on, I’m also not sure how representative PV scene is to rest od country. At least two members with experience in Mexico suspected that scene there is spoiled by affluent California queeny gays. Gay scene “Romantica “ in Zona Romantica district name refers chiefly to gays. Couples are very visible day and night, both locals and gringos as PV is considered by many gay capital of Mexico. Walking guys holding hands even after Sunday mass are not drawing any attention. And PLU are supporting vide range of businesses in Zona , Cardenas being main street where a lot of businesses catering to gays are located, not all of them opened though. Go-go bars and street trade That’s easy, I did not hear about those when researching destination before arriving and did not see any on the ground so safely can assume there’s none. I was offered weed at least 4 times and if there’s any street trade I assume I would see guys available, particularly that I was wandering through the streets of Zona Romantica and Malecon at various times , including well after midnight. Sauna Not my scene but there’s Spartacus on main drag open till 6 am well lit and with warning ‘ men only , do not enter if you don’t like gay lifestyle” posted inside just in front of entry. Clubs Quite a few , well attended by both genders, visible from far because of lights and noise, again did not survey because it’s not my scene. Industry, Paco Ranch and Slaughters seemed particularly popular. Massages Several shops in Zona including 4 in close vicinity of my hotel , guys are usually sitting or standing outside quite actively inviting business. Almost all on older side 25+ including few with greying hair already and invariably well build. Twink lovers don’t have much i.e. anything to do in PV, not in massages , nor in strip club , not even on Grindr. Vallarta visitors like their boys on better built side , that’s my firm impression. And those who know me , know that I liked what was on offer. I took 5 massages and describe them in the next part but my general observation from that sample are : There’s no mention of shower before or after, one just goes to the room , gets massaged and that’s it. Guys are massaging you fully dressed, t -shirt and track pants or shorts. Yes, it’s possible to undress them but for a fee. Forget about hanky panky , everything other than massage is done in silence and conspiracy. Most guys are very willing to exchange contact info for further encounters outside of working hours. Guys are rotating often so if you see one you fancy , grab him , don’t assume he will be there next day. I learned that lesson in one shop where guy at front was made of my dreams but I was returning from jungle trek and wanted to take shower first. Went to hotels , showered , returned and he was gone to be never seen again and I was passing by at least twice daily. Massage is invariably started from upper back , opposite to way practised in Thailand. In comparison to Thai massages guys in PV seem to be better trained and coverage is also better but under pressured. I like my massages strong and only one , my last, was strong enough. Perhaps those biggish guys were afraid to crush KFC man?. More details will be in part 3 “Boys” , planned at sometime between now and Christmas. Apps I use only Grindr and before arrival I promised to myself to involve only guys who will contact me first in line with my rule to hire guys who are smiling at me recognizing my presence. Like massages and strip club, guys there are old older and hunkier side. A lot seemed to be visitors. Money boys and even massage offers are very discreet, much more so than in Bangkok , not to mention Pattaya. So basically one needs to ask as descriptions tend to be very cryptic. As we learn in future I had a luck securing guy for the nightly sessions. And another one for single session. One of my massages was arranged by app and after another massage I spot my guy there inviting him for repeat at night in my room. (part 2 to be continued as I don't want post to be too long )

(part 12, truly in a tidbit fashion) After making my usual rounds this week at Dream Boy, Fresh Boys and New Twilight (in that order) and offed three boys of different nationalities (Cambodia, Vietnam and Myanmar, respectively), one from each bar, here are some updates. 1. Drink price and boy's cut: Dream Boy is the most expensive at 450B for both customer and boy drink, Fresh Boy: 400B, and New Twilight: 350B. Boys all got 100B from their own drinks. The bar fines (or off fees) are all the same: 500B (but different from Pattaya bars, as reported in earlier parts, boys in Bangkok bars receive nothing from the bar fine). 2. Boy's basic salary: all three bars provide some incentive for boys, who show up at work on time (8pm) and who do not have an off that night (boy drinks don't count). This amount varies from bar to bar though. Dream Boy stingiest with 100B/night, Fresh Boy better with 150, New Twilight most generous with 200 (on par with Banana Room reported in part 8). Fresh Boy also had this weird rule: if the previous night you don't have a customer, the next day nobody cares if you show up for work or not. But if you had a customer the night before and you don't show up the next day, bar assumes that you are still with that customer and you have to pay a bar fine of 500B. Since the boy I offed from Fresh Boy is Viet and we talked in Vietnamese, I think I got this correctly. 3. Number of boys: Since Dream Boy currently boasts the largest cast (more than 40), Fresh Boy middle of the pack (around 25) and New Twilight (less than a dozen, 7 floor boys and 4 show boys the night I visited) comes last, the above-mentioned incentive appears to play a lesser part in boys' decision of where to work. I think number of potential customers is far more important. Fresh Boy and Dream Boy both played to a packed house the nights I visited (drizzling midweek nights) and many boys got off. Things did not bode well at all for New Twilight: Saturday night, perfect weather (pretty cool but no rain) and only 6 customers (4 alone and 2 together) at the time the show started (10p30). A few more arrived during a show. There was a large gaggle of young male farangs coming in, who could easily double or triple the "crowd" size in the house if they decided to stay, but they didn't. I think when they saw there were only a few boys on stage, fully-clothed, they backed out immediately. 4. Speaking of New Twilight's attire problems, I made it a point to complain loudly to 2 different mamasans about what the boys were wearing on stage (this is a GO-GO bar with GO-GO prices, why LONG jeans and black t-shirts with LONG sleeves, revealing almost nothing; the boys all looked like valet parking attendants in some casino hotel in Cambodia). Both mamasans assured me boys would wear less later (after the second show, around midnight), but I didn't see that happened. When I finally picked a boy, before making my decision (actually I already made my decision when he showed me shirtless pictures on his phone), just for added effect, I asked him to get back on stage at least shirtless. He took off his shirts and stood at the end of the rotation. Then it looked like he explained the situation to other boys and moved up front so I can admire his toned body. I nodded my approval "that's how it's done", told the mamasan (who recognized me from the early X-boy and Lucky Boys days and still remembered I'm Vietnamese) to go get the tab. Funny enough, when my boy got back to me, another on stage also took off his shirt (probably in hope of getting more attention?) I also saw that most boys who were asked to come and sit with a customer are show boys, who wore underwear most of the time, and one got an off and left with a customer after the final show, around the same time I left with mine, a bit after midnight. Another problem (New Twilight's freezing aircons which other members complained about) was also addressed several times that night. When I put on my light jacket, a mamasan asked if they should adjust the temperature (good customer care). Then another customer on my left asked them to change it again because it was still freaking cold. Then just before their second show, one of the dancers in a skimpy outfit asked for the third time. It was then warm enough I had to take off my jacket to reveal my toned body. Sorry I digress... 5. The "You can f*ck me but keep it an open secret" trend: as discussed in part 10, I noticed this phenomenon years ago in Vietnamese MBs in Vietnam, but this time, I start noticing it too in Bangkok bars. When I visited Hotmale earlier this week, the only one I would consider offing is No 34. Checked with a mamasan, who said he's Thai and straight. "Can I f*ck him?" "No, he's men." A few minutes later, another mamasan, who somehow got wind of my enquiry, approached me and said "You can f*ck him but you have to pay more. But keep it a secret because he's shy and doesn't want others to know". I refrained from asking the obvious question "then how come do you know?", "how much more?" Mamasan didn't know (maybe it was an even bigger secret) and ran off to asked, then came back with "He wanted 5000" (same level as Moonlight models?). I don't think so, so I didn't off anyone from Hotmale that night. Then in New Twilight, the boy I picked was also straight. Both he and mamasan said he's willing to bottom (not asking for more money though) but again, it's a secret (I tell only you) nobody knows (except those who know). 6. This time, I continued to off mostly new faces, as is my wont. I was second customer of the boy in Dream Boy, who was a 26-year-old hair stylist back in Cambodia and who needed money to pay off his big loan. I was (again) the first customer ever of that boy who got on stage shirtless in New Twilight. He was from Myanmar and just started 2 weeks ago, got two boy drinks but no off yet. It seems he's indeed new and tended to do exactly what I told him. Back in the hotel, I gave him a toothbrush. He went off brushing his teeth, then came back, still wearing his jeans. "You didn't take a shower?" I asked him. "I have to take a shower?" Off he went back to the bathroom. Later, it turned out, not just was this the first time he slept with a man, it was the first time he slept with anyone (He hasn't even slept with a girl yet, never had a girlfriend, and he's 21 years old already. Must have come from a far-flung backwater area.) Didn't even know how to kiss with tongue. "Are you nervous?" I asked him. "No, I'm not nervous.... I'm afraid. This is my first." Speaking of "first time", I was also the first time ever of Little Lao in part 11. Born to a farmer's family, grew up in a rural area and only did farming work, he never had a chance to have sex with men, let alone have a boy friend. "I went to Thailand to earn money but also to have opportunities to have sex with men," so he told me after that farce of threesome also reported in part 11. "I slept with 4 or 5 men so far" He added (proudly? but appears to lose count already though) Anyway, what happened with the Viet boy I offed from Fresh Boy was more hilarious. He was far more popular than the other two and also the youngest at 18 years old. He started in Fresh Boy 5 days ago and I was already his fourth customer. That means he got customers, both farang and Asian, almost every day. Can't speak English and Thai (not yet), very sweet and nice to talk to in his mother tongue, I think he would follow the same route as other cute Viet boys I met in Fresh Boy. Popular at fist as a cute new face, but no repeats. His idea of servicing a customer is still pretty much jerking himself off to a porn video while the customer watches. Just out of curiosity, I also asked him how much it would take to f*ck him. He said, he would consider bottoming, and since this is his first time, to "take his flower" or to "pop his cherry" (or whatever expressions you think would fit), a customer needs to pay 50.000 bath. To be fair, in Vietnam, virginity traditionally matters a lot and wealthy businessmen have been known to pay many times of that amount to deflower a girl, believing doing so would bring them good luck. Anyway, the boy in question, in stark contrast with the Myanmar boy, slept with girls before he reached 18 (the consent age in Vietnam is 16) and already got a new Viet girlfriend who's only 17 right here in Bangkok, barely five days after he arrived, so I think the matter of virginity is not really relevant here. 7. Finally, some funny tidbits. I agreed with some other members' observations: New Twilight white-wearing waiters are generally cuter and also more gay than their floor boys. Because @jason1975 got a regular working as waiter in the bar and he made it clear that his friends stay away from his man, I have to be sure. When I came in, my first question to a cute waiter who greeted me was "Who's Jason's man?" (so that I can stay away from him) "Everyone else, but me" came back the answer. Sorry this is totally made-up. I just wanted to pull Jason's proverbial leg. The fucking show in Fresh Boy that night had to stop midway, I guess because the top can't keep it hard. So they went backstage and the audience was asked to watch a cabaret performance while the boys got themselves ready again (I don't know how). The Viet boy sitting with me gave his kudos to the top - who he saw, during his five days working in Fresh Boy, perform every night, three different shows each day, all requiring a sustained hard-on (first a jerk-off solo on a couch, then the big cock show, finally the fucking show). Should I start a blue pill donation campaign to help him out? I'm sure many members here have one or two to spare. (to be continued)

That is hilarious! Good to know. My question is do the girls go off after that or do they stay the night for long time? I have seen Japanese with girls during breakfast at Raya.

@MinI can tell you must be an excellent conversationalist as you always seem to get such interesting insider information. Kiwi seems like such a treasure and I'm sad to hear he has had such negative experiences. I don't think I'm a people pleaser, but in all encounters, especially paid, I constantly feel like I'm asking "Is this okay?" just to make sure that whoever I'm with feels respected. I could never do the type of work they do, not because I disrespect it, but I just could not handle the tricky and difficult situations many of them will experience. From your post, I think many people will be reaching out to contact Kiwi. He certainly sounds like someone I would love to meet. If you want to meet a similar guy who is very open and talkative, I suggest Suwit at Paradise Spa in Boyztown. @vinapuhas mentioned him several times in trip reports, and I can say that my massage with him was the best part of my Pattaya trip. He has an interesting story that I won't spoil for you.

2. So around 8.30 pm, I reached Boyztown and first looked into Toy Boys. They only had three boys in total, all in boxers, two were talking to each other, and one standing at the door greeting customers. Since there were no customers yet and the mamasan in question was no where to be seen, I couldn't come in to ignore him so I left and decided to visit one of the soil's beer bars. The three beer bars currently in operation in Boyztown are Pikky, Serene and Panorama, situated right next to each other and in that order (from Pattayasaisong Road entrance). Both Panorama and Serene had virtually no customers at the time, while Pikky, the smallest one - just a quarter the size of Panorama, already had quite a few. It was not hard to see why: they had around 10 twinky boys, many of whom I found cute while the other bars had only one or two staffers on duty. So I sat at the Pikky bar, their front table, to watch the soi traffic, which was typically light on a Monday night. Ordered my drink and invited two boys over, one Thai and one Lao, both of whom I already knew from the apps. Thai boy used to work in Winner Boy bar (the one I mentioned in the Winner Boy bar thread a few weeks ago: he came to work and stripped down to his undies just to pull up again to go with a customer). He's really skinny and small built, gay and bottom-only. So just to tease him, I asked if customers ever asked him to top. There was one before Covid, a Chinese woman, who was into small-boy looking types. He told me, he didn't want to go because he knew he wouldn't be able to perform, but mamasan kept pressuring him, saying the customer would pay as much as 10K. So he went and of course, couldn't get it up (he also admitted he has a rather small "tool"), and hence, had to use his fingers (showing me his fingers while telling this - they don't look like they are great tools either). Probably because of that, he got "only" 5000 instead of the promised 10K. At that point, Boyz Boyz Boyz started their boy parade, which was put on pause for the last two years. Thai boy said they just restarted yesterday and it was not just BBB business. It's more like Pride parade and all the bars in the soi pooled their talents (the banner-carrier drag queen is actually Castro's staff and there were more than 30 boy participants), but the boys in Pikky stayed out of it because they were shy. Then there was a smart-dressing elderly farang in wheelchair, who wheeled himself in. Now it's Lao boy's turn, who got an off from that customer, volunteered to share his experience. He said the guy was paralyzed from waist down and didn't take off his pants. The boy just worked second base up, nipple playing, kissing and all. Having heard something I probably shouldn't have, I look at that farang with admiration, thinking: when I reach his age and if I ever were in a similarly unfortunate situation, would I still have it in me to keep going and enjoy life like that? To the gentleman himself and others, it was probably a patronizing thought, but it was inspiring to me. Lost in my thoughts for a while, until Lao boy brought me back to reality, asking "Are you okay?" Although Thai boy's look appeals more to me, I kinda connected better with Lao boy (also gay and bottom vers), who is more observant and also speaks better English. While I was there, another farang customer left with three boys in tow. I watched them walking away and Lao boy, as if he could read my thoughts, said: It's not like that. He took care of them during Covid times. He said with feeling. To lighten the mood, I asked would they be okay if I off them both at the same time. Both nodded. Then I added: but you have to do each other, I'm just there to watch. Lao boy was like "What???" then said "I can't but he (Thai boy) can f*ck me". They discussed this in Thai then Thai boy burst out laughing "No way!!!" Speaking of threesome, in my experience, straight guys often have little problem with this arrangement as to them, it's just work (like you are asked to do a gay porn together). Straight boys I know back in Vietnam certain don't. Some even offer "a discount" if you take their "brother" as well. On the other hand, gay boys who are "sisters" with each other might mind. My previous offers for threesome was turned down twice in Pattaya (one in Toy Boy and another in Power Boy). In each case, both boys wanted to go with me but separately. You can off him today, off me tomorrow. They wouldn't do it if their "sister" is around. It's too weird, they said. Enough joke. I didn't intend to off anyone anyway after my session with Kiwi earlier. Gave each boy 200 and mamasan 100 as tips. My Pikky soft drink was 80B, boy drink was 200 each (they get to keep 100), off fee is 300 (boys get to keep 100), so an off means boy can earn at least 1700 from drink, off fee and his ST fee. I thinks it's fair. For comparisons, Lao boy told me Toy Boys charges 500 off fee (boys also get to keep 100). Before Covid, a Viet boy I offed from Luck Boys in Bangkok told me he earned some from boy drink but nothing from the off fee (or bar fine). On my way out, I walked past Toy Boys again. They now had 5 boys (one got offed and went with his customer to Pikky) but still no sight of the mamasan I'm so eager to run into again. Maybe another time. I took the bus baht back to Jomtien Complex. (to be continued)

So strange to realize there are many Romanians still in Romania.