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Hi guys, Although this will be my first post, I’ve lurked here for a few months and gotten a tonne of (hopefully) excellent tips from you all for my first trip to the LOS. Hoping that my little trip report is both a good exercise to remember my trip by, but also might give back and help others live vicariously, as I did. Some context for the trip – I’m from Australia, and lucky enough to be able to travel occasionally for for work, now that our country has opened up again. As far as SEA, I’ve been to Vietnam 10 years ago, but never to Thailand. I booked my whole stay at one hotel - the SO/ Bangkok. Firstly, it looks super nice online, and the number of nights adds up to the exact amount left in my work travel fund – convenient. Next, it’s near Silom, and whilst not super convenient to the two places I needed to be for work during my stay, it was roughly between the two of them, and close to the MRT, if I get brave. I had planned to go for a full 2-week stint, but just before I was due to depart, I’m forced to reschedule my departure date for a funeral. After that, the need to ‘get out’ and reset elsewhere is strong. I am damn glad I’ve got a holiday booked... Although I do have travel insurance (to be worked out later after I come back), in the meantime, I worry about how the delayed departure is going to abuse my credit card – if anyone has similar worries in the future, FYI Singapore airlines let me change but charge me a fair bit to do so (the only remaining seat is then an ‘upgrade’ from business to business-flex, so I pay more for the same thing). Turns out there’s little leniency for the sake of funerals. On the other hand, my SO/ Bangkok stay was booked as non-refundable, and I expected this to be a completely dead loss, but after I call/email them, they kindly convert the 5 wasted nights into hotel credit (for food, drinks etc.), which I am really grateful for. At least it’s something! I figure I can safely drown my worries from the rooftop bar on that credit. Day 0: getting there. After a rough couple of weeks at home, an all-day couple of flights, I land just before 7pm local time. Singapore airlines business class is as good as I’ve been told… the food and wine are all delicious. I follow the very good advice from the forum and grab my bags, then head down to the lower level airport rail and get my local currency from the cheaper downstairs booth. Go back upstairs and get a cab to my hotel. The driver and I struggle to communicate, but it works out ok. By the time I make it to the hotel and up to my room, it’s nearly 9. The SO/ Bangkok common areas are beautiful and cool and comfy, and the rooms thankfully continue this (nothing worse than a hotel which blows all their money on a lobby then has dingy, crap rooms!). The rooms are themed with ‘mystical elements’ (e.g. metal, water, wood) and I get assigned a wood room. I’ve paid for the lowest level of ‘just a room’, but it’s easily as big as a suite in the average Aussie hotel – absolutely huge. My city-view room also includes a view of the river. The room itself is very nice – huge bathroom with both a bathtub and a rain shower; beautiful wooden floors and panelling throughout, and plenty of space – definitely enough space to spend over a week and not feel claustrophobic. Complimentary (non-alcoholic) mini-bar, and a good chocolate and fruit platter shows up ~20 minutes after I get in. The room and view: I finally get a much-needed shower and then on to the apps. At home it’s at least 1-2am (4 hour time difference), and I’ve been up since 5am, so I’m wondering if I have the stamina to do anything or have anyone over. I am considering just going to bed when I get a message. Do I want a massage and fun for 󠇍1500 baht? Why even think about it? Yes, I do. We’ll call him “7-Eleven”, because that’s the symbol he has tattooed on the back of his neck (I don’t bother to ask why…). He shows up within 20 minutes, and is cuter than advertised. Heavily tattooed (I don’t have strong opinions on this like some others here do), short and tightly muscled. Washboard abs and a perky little ass – delicious. No trouble getting him into the hotel despite having to change elevators via the 9th floor lobby – nobody said a thing, we just wandered up. The massage was very good, with good coverage and pressure; relaxing and just therapeutic enough that I don’t fall asleep during. Afters are great, with a seamless transition, and he was vers as advertised. Afterwards, we have a little chat, and he uses our time to get a little impromptu English pronunciation lesion - gotta love a guy who is still trying to improve himself into the small hours of the morning! He tells me he normally massages at Banyan Tree, so anyone staying there is in for a treat. After a 22 or so hour day, thankfully the beds are also great. 😴

Why are you only reading stories from people that don’t get what they want. Go back and read many of the stories here in the forums of all the fun times that most of us have. Most of the boys speak enough English to get your point across. If you start your trip with negative thoughts that’s what will happen. Most of us get on the plane with happy thoughts of all the fun we’ll have. You will have a negative experience, just don’t dwell on it., just move on. Lots of boys waiting for your arrival and to show you a fun time.

I find if I give equal weight to seeing that my partner has a good time, my chances of same go up, also.

For 16 years I habitually cross the street in front of my office on red light and never got hit, doesn, t mean at one point my luck may run out

With respect, I'm not sure that is entirely correct. The Americans leased U-tapao for their B52 bombers during the Vietnam War. With so many randy young men, they naturally wanted an outlet for their sexual urges. It was I believe this group that resulted in the sex scene in nearby Pattaya. R&R quickly became known within the forces as I&I (intoxication and intercourse) in of course the girlie bars for which Thai enterpreneurs had noticed a big demand and the big profits that could accrue! That war ended in 1973. Some GIs no doubt visited Bangkok and helped develop the commercial girlie bar scene here in Patpong. But the numbers were I believe far fewer than in Pattaya. Bangkok has had a sex scene for gays and straights from time immemorial. Foreigners rarely get near it for the very simple reason we are not wanted there. With the adoption of democracy in 1932, we know that several gay groups did then develop, but they were condemned by society as a whole. With so many gay personalities visiting Thailand from around World War I - Somerset Maugham, Noel Coward and the at least bisexual Joseph Conrad etc. - there may have been a gay haunt or two, or did these men either stay with their partners of the day or just find young Thais happy to spend time with them? After WWII we know that there was a farang gay group which included Jim Thomson, the Thai Silk King, and which did meet quite regularly. Eventually there was a gay bar. I have seen its name as Sea Hag but can not be sure. But this was also a time when the Thai media was very anti-gay and outed quite a number of well-known gay personalities. This lasted well into the 1960s. Although the original Twilight (not in its later Soi Twilight location) and one of two other gay venues started in the late 1960s, it was not tilll the late 1970s that the gay explosion started. And as stated earlier, most of the clientele in those days were Thai.

About time to start treating adults as such

I spent a few days in Athens in late September. I decided to try out few of the places mentioned on this thread, to see if they were still going or had been wiped out by the Covid years. I am not an ideal candidate the task, as i am generally too nervous to actually hire bar hustlers or street rentboys, but I though of the readers of this website, and steeled myself to go out and about.. Adventures in Bars: Both the bars that have been reported here as having escorts - Sami's Bar and Bizzar - are close to Viktoria Metro stop, so I took train there on a Saturday evening. One of the bars is actually only open on Friday and Saturday, so you better be in Athens at the weekend if you want to try them out. I walked around the square above the metro stop first. There were a few guys sitting on the park benches and looking at men that passed – it was obviously what they were after. I didnt linger though, and went to Sami’s Bar first (often spelled “Sammi’s” on social media) When I arrived at around 9.00 pm it was nearly empty. The friendly staff told me it would get busier later, and by ten there was about four customers in the place. No real interaction between them, apart from chatting to the friendly staff. I was frustrated that the sexy Persian guys Xclay met on his visits hadn't turned up, although perhaps it was too early. I decided to abandon it and went to Bizzar bar. This was busier, about 12 customers. There were a few younger guys circulating but they were shy about approaching you in the bar. What I figured out was that when a guy went downstairs to the toilets, they followed you down and made their pitch there. I talked to a Romanian guy during one trip downstairs, and an Egyptian on the next. The Romanian guy was pleasant and offered some fun in the toilets for €40. I did not take him up. The Egyptian guy was more pressing, and when I rejected his suggestion of going into the cubicle for some fun (my understanding was that this would involve me sucking him off, and nothing more), his suggestion of €40 rapidly dropped to €30 and eventually ended up with just begging for some money to eat. I gave him 10 euro and went back up the stairs, just in time to see the Romanian guy leaving with a customer. I then regretted not taking my chances with him, of course. Guys on Omonia Square: The next night, Sunday, decided to walk around the northern side of Omonia Square, to see if they guys were still there. Long time readers of this site might remember that I tried this scene before Covid, but was too chickenshit to do anything in the end. Well, history repeated itself. At about 10 pm on the Sunday, I walked north from Omonia Square towards the pedestrian street the Cosmopolit hotel is on. Plenty of female hookers giving me the eye, but no guys I noticed (there was lot of Middle Eastern-looking guys hanging in groups of two or three, but I did not get the impression they were on the game). Then suddenly a young guy came up to me and started chatting. He started telling me about how you could rent a room for €10 from the Cosmopolit etc. He did not say why, and I was unsure at first if he was trying to pimp a women to me or what. However, it when he said he just wanted €40, it became clearer. He looked Syrian or Iraqi, and was a bit jumpy in manner, so I was too nervous to go anywhere with him. I asked him where he was from and he claimed to be called Alex from Thessalonica. I said thanks, but no thanks, and walked away. But as I had evinced some curiosity, he was not to be shaken off too easily, and followed me round Omonia Square for five minutes trying to get me to change my mind, and did not give up until I was nearly at the Athinaikon restaurant on Themistocles St. Not an interaction that would tempt me back to Omonia Square Guys on web After that, I decided to play it a bit safer, and looked at some guys on the web. Chatted to a few guys on various sites – the main site for Athens is Hunqz, as far as I can see. I agreed to meet two guys, one on Monday and one on Tuesday. The price for each was €100, I went to the apartment of one guy and asked another to come to my hotel – I offered him an extra €20 for this. Both the guys I chose had a number of positive reviews, which is largely why I chose them. They were very polite and pleasant.

Attended 10:15 performance tonight and enjoyed the show. Perhaps the best segment is the opening act, a high-energy and very well choreographed group of guys who know how to dance. It was a pleasure to watch them. I hadn’t seen the show since February of 2020 and many of the boys I remembered have moved one, although one grabbed me on way out to show me a photo he took with me on an old off. There’s very good lip-sync ladyboy who is a veteran of Twilight days. She appears several times in different costumes and numbers and is a real entertainer. Rest of show features standard fare like the big cock, ring the pole which proved a big hit with the 10 or so female customers (when the performers circulated among the crowd for tips, many took the opportunity to exams the goods). Freshboys remains twink central but I thought there were more bigger guys in the cast this time. I believe ASEAN is well represented which, for me, improves the final product. The waiters are as easy on the eyes as ever and, of course, offable. The place was about half full when the show got under but many trickled in during the performance which ended at 11:30. Drinks 400 (boy drink same).

Some recently made it as far north as Martha's Vineyard 😝

I agree with you I agree, kissing it very important to me. I have never had any problem getting the gay boys to french kiss. (use good oral hygiene, Thailand is hot humid and Thai are sensitive to bad smells, poor hygiene, both oral and body are a must for them to be comfortable). Straight boys are much more likely to not want to do it. I refuse to suck a rubber. If the cock is clean and free of sores and not dripping strange fluids... I suck it.

If you have to ask the price you can’t afford it

I say go there and ask for what you want , depends on the "service provider" I guess .😅👍

The Ministry of Public Health Ministry is expected to cancel face mask-wearing regulations and related fines in two or three weeks, the Bangkok Post is reporting today. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2419873/face-mask-rules-to-be-cancelled-soon

The nonsense just gets worse. Now the dreadful Boris Johnson is being considered by some as the ideal candidate to restore the fortunes of the ruling Conservative Party. This despite the rules of his party forbidding a PM who has resigned from standing again. But then Johnson never bothered with rules. This is the man who was kicked out of the PM job when much of his cabinet resigned not so long ago and for the litany of untruths he had inflicted not only on the UK people but worse on his fellow parliamentarians. Britain's only PM found guilty in a police prosecution. For decades those in the UK have laughed when talking about the chaos of multi-party politics of Italy. Funny how Italy has always survived quite well whereas the UK now is in a state of near total meltdown. As we have seen in the USA, a two party system - or one where two parties have the vast majority of seats - becomes a mockery when the very people elected only want to hang on to their seats and their salaries. Or as with Trump to avoid a litany of illegal deeds.

Quite possibly some did. Any sane person would prefer to get good fuck in Pattaya to being killed in Ukraine to satisfy some sick militaristic minds imperial ambitions.

Visited this shop for first time today about 16:30. One boy in shop but manager showed me photos on phone of about 15 who were available on call. I chose one and was taken to room. By time I finished shower he arrived and showered. As it turned out, he was my first gay masseur of trip and performed well. The one hour oil was 420 baht and was informed full service minimum tip was 1,000 (well earned). When I left there were three in the shop, any one of whom I’d take. Rooms here on first floor with mattress on floor atop foot-high platform. Shower down the hall. I took Blue Line and walked Sutthisan Winichai Rd. from Sutthisan station. It took about 22 minutes but I prefer approaching in opposite direction from Saphan Kwai because shops along way more interesting and sidewalks better. By 16:00, that side of road mostly in shade. Two bus routes serve this road. I began walking toward Saphan Kwai and I travelled no more than 3-4 minutes when I came upon KK Spa, a shop I’ve visited in three earlier occasions this trip. If you aren’t a slut like me you would have concluded that you’ve had sufficient fun and just headed home. I of course opened the door and was presented with a bottle of water and a new photo array. Several guys made the short list but the beaming smile on one sealed it and I agreed to one hour oil for 350 baht. I took shower and when I returned my guy had arrived and was stripping down. He was bigger than he looked in photo and had great tats. Turned out to be 22 year old Cambodian. I had chosen well because after he showered he demonstrated that straight guys know what the he’ll it’s all about. I traded places with after less than 15 minutes and he was a bit surprised. He soon discovered that this was a great idea and completely relaxed. He showered with me and we took turns soaping up each other. The minimum tip was 800 and I gladly tuned that up. From what I gather, these shops are keenly aware that their main source of income is locals and have adjusted their fees down in the past week or so. The guys are all free lancers and derive their income solely from tips. In the Silom area, most guys are on staff and get a cut of the fee because they have specified work hours to be available in shop. I believe the reason so many hot guys are available in these more remote locations is geography. These are the areas Thais and other Asians can afford to live. Some work other jobs during the day and are on call later.

Not sure it worked as intended...

I've had a look through my collection of ancient guides and have unearthed these maps from 1994-1997 (those are the publication dates, so they may already have been obsolete by then. Apologies for the unclear text on some - it's difficult to scan pages that won't lie flat. In that little alley the 1994 map has Khun Bar, Golden Cock, Super A, Lucky S, Super Lex Matsuda and Mama Sun (which was karaoke bar) 1994 (Thai Scene/Notcutt), 1995 (The Men of Thailand 5/Allyn) 1996 (TMOT6) 1997 (Thai Scene) 1999 (TMOT7)

I have said this many times before,that I don't like using the word "boys" to describe the guys in Thailand. Two things come to mind ,first I just finished watching a UK Facebook group of 2 guys and one big fat woman (Karen) catch a alleged old pedophile who thought he was talking to a 16yo boy but it was Karen apparently he was sending his cock pics to, not a real guy 🙄 So they turn up on his doorstep and film him and then belittle him, "so you like boys do you ,you disgusting old bastard" they said Now in reality he was not doing anything wrong up to the point of...sending his xrated pics I believe. Second incident this happened to me personally was I was in Grindr when a guy wanted my cock pics which I don't send as I'm a bottom, to cut a long story short it wasn't really a guy but a Karen who admitted to me she was hunting for pedophiles,she was disappointed when I said my taste was mature Asian guys , So I'm telling you this because lately there is a fad of groups and Karen's wanting to catch older guys interested in younger guys whether it's legal or not . Now I despise pedophiles as much as them BUT 16yo is legal for same sex in Australia which I'm sure it's the same in the UK, but most of these Karen's would brand you a pedophile if you did meet a legal aged guy ,so where do you draw the line with these people?

From the Diplomat On October 16, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) opened its 20th National Party Congress to one, announce a major leadership shuffle and two, review China’s achievements over the last five years, thereby charting a course for the coming five years. Much of the international discussion has seemed to focus on President Xi Jinping’s tightening grip on authority, which marks a shift from China’s old-school leadership transition (post-Deng Xiaoping era) and could ultimately put Xi on par with Chairman Mao Zedong. While this development certainly deserves attention, the CCP’s work report is what truly matters in the eyes of observers in Thailand. Continues at https://thediplomat.com/2022/10/chinas-zero-covid-policy-an-economic-nightmare-for-thailand/

Being bi I wasn't into kissing other guys until a rather hot twink in Phuket changed my mind, he was one of the best kissers I had ever had the pleasure of kissing. Since that introduction I have found kissing has always been part of the play and I simply ask at the start if kissing is ok and have always got a yes answer. As yet I haven't had a partner that didn't use tongue when kissing, maybe not deep tongue but enough to keep me happy and I always try to ensure my partner at the time has a good time. As for sucking, if the cock is clean and no visible signs that something isn't right then I suck and I have come to enjoy getting some tasty Thai cock in my mouth.

These type of "set ups" happen in the Philippines too I believe. I recall one Pattaya expat ( now deceased LMTU) posting he had been stung in Thailand and had to pay up,no idea of he was guilty or not though

Kokopelli says it the best: it is in touristy places a non-issue. And you will be far too scared and unknowing to venture out of those. Actually it works for the normal tourist rather the other way: that s one main reason why Thaild gets so many rave reviews about good service, smiling attention etc. Actually exact translating from the Thai it is ´broken face´ not lost. The main exception is when you have to deal with authority: on arrival, after that hardly anymore, but it may happen. Then THEY are above you. It may force you to be polite and showing off as a good tourist. But that last for 10 secs. In fact this whole thing is mostly about ´class distinction´ a very rife thing here: no one is equal, in theory there is always someone higher/lower.

You're over thinking the whole thing. If a bar boy calls you a butterfly, he isn't being kind to you. He's pissed off you wont be paying him more money to see him again, but another boy instead. Boys here can be very direct with their words. You get used to it. As for friends, you won't get any issues out and about. It may well happen that some boys wont go with you if you have been with their best friend the night before. But that's on the boy and nothing for you to worry about. Just smile and move on. You may be new to boy bars, but the boys here have seen it all 100 times before. Agree on activities and money before you leave the bar, and keep your word. Really, that's all the boys want you to do. They are working after all.

During low season often if you take off a guy he will later suggest that you take off his room mate so they can pay the rent!

No , I,d assess risk and act accordingly. This is what being adult is all about.

The word thai boy understand is butterfly, meaning u are not looking for a bf, but rather one night stand.

You are dealing with money boys they used to see their clients changing boys every day and sometimes more than one boy a day so it's not a big deal for them. Regarding the boys who are friends if they aware to the situation that you are dating both of them and agree to this arrangement it won't make any issue and nobody is loosing face.

It's available on Amazon. UK posters may recall the Gay Men's Press which, sadly, closed about twenty years ago. It had a superb list of gay novels, many of which are difficult to come by now. Davidson's book is more about his travels as a journalist than his sexual experiences... his time in pre-war Germany is particularly interesting , as are his dealings with the UK government in Cyprus when he bravely revealed the torture our forces dished-out . The sexual escapades are mentioned rather than described. Its the autobiography of a journalist who was gay rather than of a gay man who was a journalist.

Lucky you as he could be aiming at you rather than windows. Better to keep the distance.

The name "Britaly" already appeared in the media.

I lived in Barranco area, Lima for 9 months. Lima is not a cosmopolitan capital like BuenosAires. After 9pm on any street and Miraflores area are completely dead. There are one or two theaters, tiny things and are not perform all year round. The actions only happen during the weekend, mainly Friday and Saturday night, and pickup place is in Kennedy’s park. City center is not safe and hardly any one after 9pm even on the weekend. Taxi and transportation via application are available, it has Metro runs until 10pm. along the coast from Barranco to Miraflores and a bit beyond is fine and the most safest area in Lima. sex and fun, with two gay saunas, one is active and fun but best visit during the day and early evening. Gay bars and mix 🕺 dico for pickups young native Peruvian. with recent migration from Venezuela, there are plenty of young and beautiful Boys available on gay applications…… amazing choices and reasonable prices. Lima: 3 nights 4 days is plenty unless you madly in love with Food and young migrant from Venezuela. Recent trip, 8 months ago, I had an amazing three nights with some of the best good looking Latinos, mostly Young Venezulano. Venezulanos, comes in all shades from very dark Carribean to Super white, very much like Brazilian. Peru in general is safer and you can be more relax. I’m getting hard just thinking of those guy…… ps, ask the questions on what services included before you settle with cost and never pay up front or send money upon the meeting. 90% of Venezulanos are straight and I love fucking straight guy, especially the gorgeous one. Long term stay, along the coast is the best place, walking distance to everywhere. All the best.

I agree that there are many attractive Taiwanese but I’m wholly addicted to the diversity of young men you find in Thailand from all over SE Asia. To me, every day here is a pride celebration of sorts. You can find it anywhere an everywhere from barstool in Silom to massage shop or beer garden further out. I’m in the thrall of these guys. The possibilities can present themselves anywhere. I do love the adventure of it all.

I'm proud of you

I am sure you are correct becuase Chiang Rai is in a different Province from Chiang Mai. The most serious damage was done to the famous White Temple which its architect fered would have to be demoloished. Fortunately they were able to save it. Photo: Dreamstime https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1755-6724.14775

I wonder if all these young Russians didn't flee Russia so they wouldn't be drafted into the war in Ukraine 🤔

... and she's gone, setting a new record. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63309400 One of the things that first fascinated me about Thailand was its bizarre politics, with so many parties and and a continuous succession of new scandals, new governments, new constitutions. Where else would a PM (Sarit, 1952) launch a coup against himself? Where else would a party bring down the government by not standing for election? (Abhisit, 2006) TiT, I thought. Couldn't happen anywhere else. Little did I know...

Check out this dated article (23-Apr-2020) about the 76 Garage and its supposed COVID delivery queerbaiting.... The SMART Local article about the 76 Garage

Sadly Patpong BKK , Boyz Town & Sunee Pattaya and Paradise complex Patong are a gloomy shadow to what it used to be at the early to mid 2000's where the choices of gay venues was vast so many attractive genuine gay boys eager to please you and to know you better then just short time session, no matter how many recently trip reports saying how wonderful time they had it certainly can't match to what it used to be. Nowadays most of the boys are straight with business like approach ( 'you cum I go' ) and their heads buried at cell phones . I don't want to look like nostalgic fart but that's how I see the current things in Thailand.

Dog ugly? Would like to meet them.

A boy would never be seen with such ugly shoes...

I think that there have been several queries about the current status of Arena. Having been there recently I can confirm that it is open, but but……. I have been a fan of guys from Arena over more than twelve years. We(BF and I) have found some great guys while visiting there with whom we have gone on to have regular repeats offsite over several years. So, although I hadn’t been there for four years I approached today with some anticipation. However Silom Plaza, where it is located on the third floor, has deteriorated since my last visit, more shops closed and looking run down. It doesn’t really look an inviting place now. Elevator doesn’t work, impression of tumbleweed blowing etc.. Tip: for access the lift at the back of the complex is still working, and pressing Floor Three takes you to the front door of Arena, as I only learnt when leaving! Persisting I climbed the stairs to Arena. Going in I wasn’t impressed, either by the décor which is in a time warp from my first visit, nor by the masseurs who are presented in front of you in jeans after you have sat on the cracked leatherette customer chairs. I have read here of the predilection of some members for the mass murderer look. They should make their way here post haste. Of the twelve choices, three or so would have fit their requirements, three or so were forty going on fifty, and none of the remainder could have been described as either handsome or gym fit. They were just guys next door with all their imperfections. I decided to go ahead anyway interested to see whether the Arena sensual massage techniques had been maintained. Chose a shortish guy built like a brick shit house. Looked like a construction worker who had never been near a gym and without a semblance of a six pack. His smile revealed a prominent front cracked tooth. 1,000 Baht for two hour oil massage. In for a penny....... Up another floor to our room, which was self contained with a shower. All of the décor seemed untouched for a number of years, and I was a bit dubious that the covering of the massage table had been replaced from a previous customer(s). Flashes of monkeypox…….(Tip: Perhaps take your own towel to put on massage table if anxious!) That couldn’t be discussed with Nat, for twas he, as, thinking he might be from Isaan, with a dark complexion and a strong jaw, I asked him twice where his home town was. Having received a confused look the first time, and with the second response being “Two Years”, we settled on non verbal communication for the remainder of the session. Both of us took our clothes off straight away and I produced my own “Pjur” massage silicone cream which safely doubles as a lubricant. Avoiding the awkward transition from massage oil to condoms. My heart sank a bit when within three minutes of the start of the massage his hands had moved to my butt crack and were lightly brushing my arsehole. I expect some serious massage first before moving on, and then at least a little foreplay! It was a false alarm, perhaps a taster. We soon moved back to a really good full body massage starting at the feet and working up the body in a more traditional way. He regularly used an Arena technique that I haven’t come across elsewhere(perhaps I’ve led a sheltered life) which stimulates the area around your cock and ass. It involves running both elbows up the inside of your thighs and somehow feels like your butt is lifted in the air. He also used another, for me, Arena trademark, brushing his fingertips on the surface of your skin as they walk up your body with a barely perceptible touch. Time passes and somehow as part of the massage Nat’s chest is regularly pressing into my back(I am still lying on my front). Towards the end I feel a finger playing with my arsehole, for several minutes, and then a large cock pressing for entry. I point to the condoms that I had brought and which he readily used, although he had none and seemed to be fine to go bareback. He fucked me with enthusiasm while panting(with at least part lust?!) while I was on my stomach. He then pulled out, turned me over and fucked me in the missionary position before again pulling out, removing the condom and repeating several times “coming” “coming”. He then had just about the most vocal orgasm that I have known a thai to have, combined with a series of intense shudders as he came on my stomach. He must have been very horny! He wanted me to come, but I was content already and didn’t need any more “servicing”. Then came almost the most touching and memorable part of the massage. He helped me, an elderly gentleman who had just been pummelled in every way for two hours, gently off the massage table, supporting me to the shower in every way. He was aware and solicitous of the fact that I might not be completely steady on my feet anyway after this experience, and that having oil on my feet made me especially vulnerable. Having escorted me to the in-room shower, he proceeded to join me and soap every inch of my body in a most tender way. I felt five years old! Despite having received his tip in the room, he escorted me every step of the way down stairs and out to the lift, which is why I found out that it was still working. I hope this assists those thinking of visiting Arena, and if it earns Nat an extra client or two, I will be happy for him. I gave Nat B2,000 and the minimum tip is B1,500, so I expect that there are others there who may provide a similar service. All in all it was a memorable experience although not entirely for the reasons I anticipated. Although there was raunch, sleaze even, the tenderness from the masseur, during the massage and afterward, was the feeling that touched me the most.

I’ve had this shop on my short list since I first posted about it and I finally checked it out today. Pleased to give it a 👍. Located directly below the Bang Pho Station on the Blue line (you were right, TMax), it’s the last stop before train crosses the river. Travel time from Silom about 35 minutes. LINE ID: 365theriver Reservations are recommended. They currently have 16 photos to choose from and that’s how I booked my session. In addition to choosing the masseur and time desired in advance, you have the option of selecting a “B2B” type of massage (minimum tip 1,000, without B2B 500). I selected one hour aroma oil (600) and the B2B. I was quite satisfied with my choices. This is a small shop but we’ll maintained and I found it very clean. Rooms on second and third floors with easily negotiable stairs. Rooms have standard massage table with shower down the hall. The service is professional and friendly and my masseur, a 27-year-old Thai, was well trained. Although he spoke no English, we had no problems communicating (when I pointed to him and then the table, he knew immediately that I wanted to trade places). I was given a bottle of water on arrival. After the massage, my guy brought in a small tray with some good warm tea, apple slices and a small wrapped chorale snack. I don’t know if this is standard practice or because it was my first visit but it left a good impression. This is the third shop (out of three) that I’ve traveled some distance to reach and none have disappointed.

Sounds encouraging to me, all those murderers gently servicing senior citizens !

we need to check listing on Bangkok Stock Exchange perhaps

When you enter my apartment first thing you notice is sizable Brazilian painting of naked native girl. You think it makes me straight? Not disputing that most massage guys are straight, often with wife and kids. One always wonders though, how straight is guy who sports erection as soon as he starts massage. Reader hit the nail - no need for gay or straight labels , all that matters is what happens after door are closed. Never lose hope, there was boy I offed quite a few times , so straight that he did not allow even touch his bum. And yet he succumbed to charms of one of our non-contributing members who let me know because was acting on my recommendation to off him and things went too far so to speak. On next trip guy in question actually professed ( we had great chemistry) that he lost his male virginity and was shocked to find out that he actually liked it. Ever since I consider 'straight" sticker useless when comes to working guys.

unfortunately or rather fortunately those two are rather going hand-in-hand

Double room. Two people. That’s what double means. You don’t have to be related or conjugal. Conference attendees often double up. Buddy backpackers. Sodomite fudgepackers. Newlyweds. What’s the diff?

Watched a show in M2M. Again, enjoyed it very much. I also wanna see again the dancer, who blowed me away (figuratively) in the previous trip. He's still great, moving like a gayish ballet dancer with a lot of energy and oozing charm. Guy is obviously not the kind of twinks I'm usually into (a bit mature and a bit big). In other words, his look is not really a turn-on for me. But somehow, I can't take my eyes off him when he performs. I even picture this crazy scene: off him and watch him dance in bed for an hour But when he drags, the whole package looks really disturbing Before show, I messaged a boy asking him to come and join me in M2M, and we can go to my hotel later. He replied "I don't want to go in there". I then asked if he can go to my hotel the next day, he said "Could you change hotel. I don't like Jomtien Complex" and only agreed to meet when I explained my hotel is close to but NOT in Jomtien Complex. This is the second time I saw this Jomtien-phobia thing. Right before Covid, a boy I had before (one of my memorable offs) turned down my offer for a repeat because that time I stayed in Zing. He made it very clear: If Jomtien Complex, I not go. Those two boys have something in common: pretty young, gay, have a regular job and only do this to earn extra money. I can't figure out why they hate Jomtien Complex (I asked but they wouldn't say). Any thoughts? So the next day, after an afternoon session with the boy who hates Jomtien, my boy quota for the day was met. Evening, I went to Winner Boy bar just to watch boys having fun in underwear. There were 9 boys working that night (one already got offed before I arrived) and 4 or 5 groups of customers, most of whom sat outside, only one inside with two boys. I bought drink for the first boy who approached me and we got talking. Little did I know, I got to hear his life story for the whole next hour He's from Bangkok, 25 years old, gay, vers top, started his MB career at Kawaii go-go bar in Boyztown when he was 17 (that means he was underaged and had to, his words, "run" whenever the police knocked on the door). His met his farang (French) boyfriend, now ex-bf, when he was 19 and the other 58, and stayed in that relationship for 4 years (show me his arm tattoo with his ex's name). It sounds like it was serious as he brought the guy home to meet the family (show me pictures of the boyfriend taken with him and his mum) and they even discussed the possibility of same-sex marriage. He didn't know why they broke up but the ex now has a new boyfriend back in France (show me pictures of a cute Caucasian teen whom I would totally off with the permission of the said boyfriend). Note to self: try to find cute boys who used to have farang boyfriends because they speak good English. During the course of their relationship, boyfriend rented him a room, told him to quit his go-go job and also not to let other boys stay with him. But he kept working without the other knowing because, he said, some months boyfriend only sent 10K and the room alone already cost 8K (it was a nice room), he didn't have enough money left for food and other stuff so he had to work. Boyfriend visited him three times each year, stayed roughly a month each. Whenever he visited, they had sex every day, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, it was too much for him, especially because he had to bottom while prefer being a top. It looks like the boyfriend was also a bad influence on him in the way that the former drank and smoked heavily. He said he was drunk all the time whenever the French guy visited and also became a chain-smoker himself. Now he can cut down on drinking, but couldn't give up smoking despite trying. Then he cheated and got a Thai boyfriend, who stayed with him in the same room the French rented for him. Once they video-called and the farang got glimpse of the other boyfriend, he got jealous. Next time they video-called, he made the poor lad go around the house with his phone camera, even into the toilet, to prove that there was no one else in the house Then he cheated some more and got another farang supporter, who also sent him money every month until he died of Covid. I asked the boy if he prefers Asians and he said "sure, any time". Without taking into consideration financial support, he would go for Asian boyfriends only. Anyway, back to his stories. Difficult times came with Covid. He went home to his mom for one year, then couldn't get along with her new boyfriend-cum-business-partner so he left and went back to Pattaya. Stayed in Winner Boy bar with 4 other boys for almost a year. Although his boss tried to support them as much as he could (providing accommodation, food ingredients and cookware so they can cook for themselves) and occasional customers who came to off them secretly from the closed bar, there were days he had nothing to eat or even had to pawn his cell phone to buy food. He gave a lot of credit to his boss, saying "we survived because we have a good boss". Now he moved out and can afford to have his own room but it's still difficult. He only had one customer in the last two weeks. The current room rent + utility bills cost 2.5K, he needs around 200 for food per day and another 100 for cigarette, so roughly 12K per month to live on. Back in Kawaii days, he said, he earned a lot of easy moneys, many days with two offs and customers were often more generous than the 1500ST/2500LT standard rate (now, he's willing to go ST for just 1000). He said he spent all that money on visiting karaoke host bars often having as many as 4 or 5 boys sit with him in one session (he's gay after all). So it's that funny cycle: he spent money from people who liked him on boys he liked, he used the support from his farang boyfriend to support his Thai boyfriend. His farang boyfriend f*cked him who in turns f*cked his Thai boyfriend (the so-called boy-on-boy-on-boy arrangement). I noticed that he talked about cheating quite nonchalantly like it was just the way of life, a fair exchange, not something morally wrong or shameful. This is the first time I digged into a Thai MB's complicated relationships with multiple partners-cum-supporters, so I don't know if this also speaks for others. He concluded his story, saying with regret: I used to have a lot of money, but I didn't save. Now I learned how to save but I don't have much anymore. It was 10.30 pm when I left. The bar was empty of customers except for one blond-haired farang sitting in a corner with a new boy who just showed up for work today (24 years old, nice ass, very sexy and revealing undies). They did something quietly for more than an hour, ordering several rounds of drinks and the boy later took a large tower to cover certain parts of his body (under-the-table activities under way I presume). Most boys also left (probably no hope for more customers to come). The only waiter (a chubby Thai with highlighted hairs in his mid-30s) nodded off in another corner. Boy told me he's the owner's boyfriend (who's 61, sitting outside with the only remaining boy) and they have been together for 13 years. My soft drink was 90, boy drink was 150. I gave the boy 500 for his time. I would see him again for other activities. The boy has good genes. Despite everything he had been through, smoking, drinking, Covid and all, still look quite boyish with a lean, supple body. To a Westerner, he may look like he's still in high school who took to wearing underwear as his uniform.