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I think that there have been several queries about the current status of Arena. Having been there recently I can confirm that it is open, but but……. I have been a fan of guys from Arena over more than twelve years. We(BF and I) have found some great guys while visiting there with whom we have gone on to have regular repeats offsite over several years. So, although I hadn’t been there for four years I approached today with some anticipation. However Silom Plaza, where it is located on the third floor, has deteriorated since my last visit, more shops closed and looking run down. It doesn’t really look an inviting place now. Elevator doesn’t work, impression of tumbleweed blowing etc.. Tip: for access the lift at the back of the complex is still working, and pressing Floor Three takes you to the front door of Arena, as I only learnt when leaving! Persisting I climbed the stairs to Arena. Going in I wasn’t impressed, either by the décor which is in a time warp from my first visit, nor by the masseurs who are presented in front of you in jeans after you have sat on the cracked leatherette customer chairs. I have read here of the predilection of some members for the mass murderer look. They should make their way here post haste. Of the twelve choices, three or so would have fit their requirements, three or so were forty going on fifty, and none of the remainder could have been described as either handsome or gym fit. They were just guys next door with all their imperfections. I decided to go ahead anyway interested to see whether the Arena sensual massage techniques had been maintained. Chose a shortish guy built like a brick shit house. Looked like a construction worker who had never been near a gym and without a semblance of a six pack. His smile revealed a prominent front cracked tooth. 1,000 Baht for two hour oil massage. In for a penny....... Up another floor to our room, which was self contained with a shower. All of the décor seemed untouched for a number of years, and I was a bit dubious that the covering of the massage table had been replaced from a previous customer(s). Flashes of monkeypox…….(Tip: Perhaps take your own towel to put on massage table if anxious!) That couldn’t be discussed with Nat, for twas he, as, thinking he might be from Isaan, with a dark complexion and a strong jaw, I asked him twice where his home town was. Having received a confused look the first time, and with the second response being “Two Years”, we settled on non verbal communication for the remainder of the session. Both of us took our clothes off straight away and I produced my own “Pjur” massage silicone cream which safely doubles as a lubricant. Avoiding the awkward transition from massage oil to condoms. My heart sank a bit when within three minutes of the start of the massage his hands had moved to my butt crack and were lightly brushing my arsehole. I expect some serious massage first before moving on, and then at least a little foreplay! It was a false alarm, perhaps a taster. We soon moved back to a really good full body massage starting at the feet and working up the body in a more traditional way. He regularly used an Arena technique that I haven’t come across elsewhere(perhaps I’ve led a sheltered life) which stimulates the area around your cock and ass. It involves running both elbows up the inside of your thighs and somehow feels like your butt is lifted in the air. He also used another, for me, Arena trademark, brushing his fingertips on the surface of your skin as they walk up your body with a barely perceptible touch. Time passes and somehow as part of the massage Nat’s chest is regularly pressing into my back(I am still lying on my front). Towards the end I feel a finger playing with my arsehole, for several minutes, and then a large cock pressing for entry. I point to the condoms that I had brought and which he readily used, although he had none and seemed to be fine to go bareback. He fucked me with enthusiasm while panting(with at least part lust?!) while I was on my stomach. He then pulled out, turned me over and fucked me in the missionary position before again pulling out, removing the condom and repeating several times “coming” “coming”. He then had just about the most vocal orgasm that I have known a thai to have, combined with a series of intense shudders as he came on my stomach. He must have been very horny! He wanted me to come, but I was content already and didn’t need any more “servicing”. Then came almost the most touching and memorable part of the massage. He helped me, an elderly gentleman who had just been pummelled in every way for two hours, gently off the massage table, supporting me to the shower in every way. He was aware and solicitous of the fact that I might not be completely steady on my feet anyway after this experience, and that having oil on my feet made me especially vulnerable. Having escorted me to the in-room shower, he proceeded to join me and soap every inch of my body in a most tender way. I felt five years old! Despite having received his tip in the room, he escorted me every step of the way down stairs and out to the lift, which is why I found out that it was still working. I hope this assists those thinking of visiting Arena, and if it earns Nat an extra client or two, I will be happy for him. I gave Nat B2,000 and the minimum tip is B1,500, so I expect that there are others there who may provide a similar service. All in all it was a memorable experience although not entirely for the reasons I anticipated. Although there was raunch, sleaze even, the tenderness from the masseur, during the massage and afterward, was the feeling that touched me the most.

Kosovo attempt on separation was not orchestrated by invasion by neighboring atomic power like Albania, Macedonia, Serbia or even Montenegro so Peter is right, only paralell will be that most Kosovars don,t want to be in Serbia neither most Ukrainians want to be part of Russia. As for half world population abstaining, spare us that propaganda Moses. Nobody asked them. Even you in Russia don't know what Russian populace really thinks about the war since very few will be brave enough to voice dissent, facing such oppressive regime nobody blames them. What about most of world GDP and/or firing power voted against Russian aggression. I'd venture even to state that most countries good in football voted against and this is what counts for world's public opinion.

jackets? they had snow in that soi or what? But for 200 / drink I'd be tempted to check. I offed one boy from there over years but he was good enough so I repeated the feast day or two later so generally have good memories from there. Once me and ChristianPFC were stuck there during deluge so at least it was roof over their heads and pretext to do some body serach of guys seating with us

I was walking along the Road New Twlight bar is on when three guys stationed by the side of road approached me. “Many new boys, come see”. They gestured toward what at one time formed the lead in the trifecta of sleaze—Super A, Golden Cock and Nature Boy. Sleaze. Really hadn’t seen much signs of it since returning so as the whore monger that inhabits all of us here I felt duty bound to check it out. Stepping through the door of Super A was like time travel, returning to my last visit over a dozen years prior. It was discomforting to see how nothing had changed: sofas to the right, tiny stage to the left and bar in back. Two customers were sitting with guys. I sat down in the unoccupied sofa and order a beer (200). Soon the show, more of a lineup actually, got under way. One guy stood on the stage and moved his arms slightly from side to side. Seven boys in street clothes stood to his right doing nothing, all with the look, “what am I doing here.” The same thought crossed my mind but I cautioned myself to give it a chance. Four or five minutes passed and nothing changed. The mamasan signaled to everyone to sit down. That prompted me to pay my tab and make for the door behind an Asian customer toting his bottle of beer. If I felt anything as I walked away it was sympathy for those who made up the ragtag crew whose vacant expressions spoke volumes. It can be challenging to get a new bar up and running, and sometimes too much of a one. But never under estimate the sleaze factor to prevail in the end.

During Covid, I started to follow a few hot guys on Instagram. One I really watch and have wanted to meet him for a couple of years but he was a no go. Finally, I now have a date with him. I'll see how it goes. But, as we have never met in person, I have low expectations. I do hope that we at least get along well for a bit. So much energy to get him to visit me and I hope worth it.

9 Teen, quite hit and miss! My bf and I went at the same time for a two hour thai/oil massage. I think it was B1,000 for each of us. While I dropped my massage wear when we moved into the oil section, my masseur would only take off his top, and showed no inclination to do anything other than a hand job. My bf's masseur took everything off when they moved into the oil section, blow jobs were exchanged and both came! Go figure as Mr Trink would say! Premises seemed clean, en suite showers, manager efficient and well spoken in English. Although we did have to encourage him to produce the whole available team(10 or 12) to make our selections, when initially the choice presented was two or three. Prime massage can confirm as good thai massage, both our reports, at B500 for two hours, plus B200 tip, no hanky panky.

Nothing wrong with that facing warmonger nation. When China invades Russia to get back Siberia, then we will stick with you and won't worry about double standards.

I’ve been there a couple of times recently. I can firm: Rough trade, but with excellent service.

Anything wrong with trying to minimize the risk? Do you want to know who is most at risk? That's easy - the people who think they're least at risk. I've seen it happen much too often - people thinking with their crotch rather than their brain . . .

I suspect when @Londoner visited that sleaze joint it was located upstairs. For some years in its pre-covid incarnation it had moved to ground level and was virtually identical to @reader's description. In fact @reader's description almost exactly fits my memory of visiting several years ago. Sofas which looked as they accommodated far more bugs than those who sat on them. Three boys on a stage, almost always fully dressed, and making little or no movement. A few others fully dressed sitting on bar stools on the right of the stage eyes glued to their phones and a few to the left on other sofas eyes also glued to phones. If you decided any of the boys was worth a drink, he would come and sit beside you. Little or no conversation but jeans might come off and he would sit in shorts. He would not object to a bit of hanky panky. Occasionally a dick would appear especially if a second drink was purchased. At least drinks were not expensive. But not one of the boys looked as though they either wanted to be there or enjoyed being there. Certainly, providing enjoyment for customers seemed very far from their minds. Nature Boys and the now dead Golden Cock were a lot more fun for those looking for sleaze.

As Tom Cruise observed in the original Top Gun, it’s a target rich environment. If you want to survey the most masseurs in the least amount of time, there’s no place in town that makes it easier than Silom Soi 6 and environs. Begin your search at the new, all-Thai 9teen shop on Silom near the mouth of Soi 6 and then turn left on to 6 and you’ll find a total of six shops before you come to the dogleg turn. Continue in the direction of Surawong and you come to Sun Massage, the daytime home of Tawan Bar. All eight of the above shops have male only masseurs and on any given day you can find upwards of 70 available guys. Still not enough? Continue to Surawong road and turn right where you begin to pass by the mixed shops.

Sounds encouraging to me, all those murderers gently servicing senior citizens !

That's basically nonsense! There is no parallell with Russia's invasion of Ukraine!

Currently in Bangkok with my BF after a week in Bali last week and Pattaya for a couple of nights before that. Mainly been working at a conference but managed to get to Silom for some massages in the area above. Normally not looking for more than a massage so have been using Prime mostly, I’ve been there on previous trips and don’t think I’m aware of anywhere in the world that gives such consistently good massages at good value prices. Between us we’ve had Thai, Oil and foot and all have been excellent. On one of my oil massages I definitely got what I call an “edging massage” he brushed my hole and cock numerous times but always as part of other strokes. Just how I like it. No offers of happy endings for either of us. We also got a Thai and Foot massage at Relax just around the corner towards 9-teen, both professional but saw a clear negotiation between one customer and a very built/masculine boy while I was getting my foot massage so clearly anything is possible. Probably going to try 9-Teen tonight, maybe a scrub and oil. Will report back.

Absolutely disgraceful!

Very true. But most people stay there for many reasons other than those of a conventional hotel. As an exhibitionist, I walk around in common are, naked or in my see through thongs. I can even dressed up as a drag queen and expose my breast when eating my breakfast. Just be creative and I always have fun there. And they are reasonably priced based on their hotel quality.

How about wearing some clothes instead of working naked?

Thank you all for this discussion. At BNH in Bangkok yesterday for another reason, I asked for a PSA test since I have not had one for 2 years. I'm still awaiting the result. I notice that the hospital had a seminar last month "How to Manage an elevated PSA Level" which I missed. But it does have a a package available until December 31 that includes a complete Urological Check-up for 6,990 baht reduced from 10,125 baht. It includes tests for kidneys, ureters, bladder and uretha, testosterone - men's essential hormones, PSA test as well as consultation with a urologist. The price is inclusive of the fees for the doctor and hospital services.

Taiwan has finally lifted all restrictions to entry - just in time for the Gay Pride Parade on Saturday 29th. The only requirement now is self testing during the first week and test kits are supplied on entry. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/13/taiwan-opens-borders-to-tourists-as-restrictions-eased-after-25-years

From Thai PBS. world Thailand has abstained, as did China and India, in a vote on the UN resolution not to recognise the four regions of Ukraine which Russia has claimed, following referenda held late last month. The UN General Assembly passed the resolution by a large majority on Wednesday, demanding that Moscow reverse course on its “attempted illegal annexation” of parts of Ukraine. The results were 143 member states in favour, with five voting against and 35 abstentions. The countries voting against were Belarus, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Nicaragua, Russia and Syria. The resolution, now passed in the Assembly, calls on all states, the UN and international organisations not to recognize any of Russia’s annexation claims and demands the immediate reversal of its annexation declaration. On Monday, the UN rejected Russian efforts hold a secret ballot on the matter. A majority of member countries elected to hold the vote in public. Thailand also abstained in a vote to suspend Russia from UN Human Rights Council in April this year, citing inclusivity. In March, Thailand did, however, vote to condemn Russia’s aggression in Ukraine.

I think I used an ATM just the once recently. I only had cash for purposes of purchases requiring it, and that was pretty much just in-person trade and at times St Moritz house tab balances though credit is accepted (outside of cash you give directly to escorts). Bear in mind that if you give an escort 150,000 he is not the one turning over 60,000 to the house for use of the room, so if you want to give him and agree on, say, 90,000, just do that because the 60,000 room use will otherwise appear on your payable checkout tab … 210,000 the damage, advantage whore, an upsell trick that may be challenging to resolve retrospectively. But jeez, a whopping $15! Smirnoff Ice there is crazy cheap, There is some balancing out. But keep the standard massage cost separate as a room use designation because your bracelet number will cue that charge on the reception computer upon starting the program. Fixed at 60,000COP; I don’t know what the escort’s take is without erotic extras. Seems paltry. However, I assume he gets a cut within the above scenario, maybe 130,000:20;000 ratio escort: house? Back to the inquiry. I over-digressed since I think you set up a BFE. I kept hitting an ATM limit on the single occasion and getting rejected. This was at Banco Colombia (?) steps from Holiday Inn Express. I don’t compare rates because 6 months from now having spent time on assessing it previously is then meaningless and erased from memory. Besides, my dollar’s value was up 30% from a previous visit, to offset any obsessing about exchange. I think I spent 1.5 million in cash over 2 full weeks … $450 Canadian, and a wad leftover. Nothing compared to the full trip cost. I found that asking for 600,000COP worked following a few fails. I think that was my bank’s limit. The mystery, ambiguity is tolerable when I’m on my way to cash in on inexpensive trade. Then for fun inserted again to withdraw an additional 100,000COP. The fee alert was 20,000 for both quantities … fixed. So I may have been out a few bucks by not precisely initially requesting an amount just over 600,000 that did not colour outside the lines. Maybe the issue is that the 700,000 happens to coincidentally equal Macdaddi’s limit caveat. Obviously would not have repeated that. Obviously absorbable on a trip requiring few bank visits and stunningly low eatery tabs with set tips below my usual playbook. I know guys that will walk a mile to save a buck on fees. To me, that’s approaching victim mentality: “I’m sick of being dinged with bank charges; I’ll show them and beat them at their game.”

should add...all major banks will do an exchange of US dollars (and Canadian) but you will need to sign extensive paperwork and must show your passport -- photocopy or image not accepted. It all goes back to the cartel days when there was extensive money laundering in Colombia. If you are intending to change cash, be prepared for an extended and complex process. The many "exchange" kiosks in the tourist areas will exchange your US cash, but at a rate that is 10-15% below the current bank exchange.

I usually carry a small amount with me from home -- 500K COP is plenty to get you through a few days while getting set up. Most of the major banks (Bancolombia, Banco de Bogota, Colpatria/Scotiabank, Davidivienda, BBVA) will work just fine with your US banking card. Do let your bank know that you are traveling in Colombia (including credit cards) as there remain many financial restrictions on Colombian transactions. I have had issues with Scotiabank transactions being rejected multiple times before I can withdraw cash so be aware. Most will offer to do the transaction in COP or USD. Always choose COP as the currency - the exchange is designed to not favor the recipient and the US dollar exchange rate is noticeably higher. Most machines limit you to a maximum withdrawal of 700K COP. Another local tip -- if you can find an ATM machine with Banco Agrario de Colombia (bright green machines) they always offer the best exchange rates and the highest limit on withdraw (up to 2MM COP).

Stalin was informed of Hitler’s designs on Russia and he chose to disbelieve it. Appease a bully today and be prepared to suffer consequences tomorrow. That’s a lesson that goes back millennia.

The good news is that the sofas are now vinyl. Other than that your recollections are spot on. They had a few guys sitting outside that same night so I believe you’ll be in luck.

Did he ask you the same ? Risk is usually on both sides in this kind of meeting

I am in the same situation I met hot guy from Colombia we are in daily chat contact and couple times a week on video call I plan meeting him next month I hope it turn out well .To be sure I asked him to send me a copy of his ID and passport and he did it immediately .

good luck! I've met a few guys from Insta and it has turned out pretty well for me so far.

I never had the pleasure or displeasure of visiting Super A but talking of sleaze, I am hoping that since Golden Cock has moved to Nature Boy that the sleaze element is still there? I would love to pay them a visit on my next trip for a bit of harmless fun in the bar.

I doubt if @TotallyOz is likely to be duped. He's much too wise for that game!

Super A was the first bar I left without finishing- or even starting- my drink. It was 1997 and my first ever visit to Bangkok. In those days, if memory serves, it was upstairs, above its later location. At the signal from the mamasan , as I sat down-the only customer- the guys, about twenty of them, removed their briefs and started pleasuring themselves. They were doing it for me, for me alone. Embarrassingly, I was the centre of attention. It was all too much for an innocent newbie such as me and so I made my excuses and left.

Life is a risk, better to go out and with a positive frame of mind and meet people 💚💙❤️💜

Make sure head rules heart. I don’t want to be negative but the internet is full of stories of westerners who have been duped. I know a few from my own circle of acquaintances.

I feel incognito this way...😷

That's why I always refer to Arena as my rough and ready massage and shag😂

Me too! Staying at Waldorf Astoria. Doing a quick trip to Warsaw before hand - lots of cute guys there.

While we are on the subject of rimming, why don't we also discuss scat and golden shower.

Garoto de Programa= Moneyboy in Brasil

and your are right. Jomtien places are charging 300-400 for massage so with 1200-1500 fee it leaves plenty of room for boy's tip , specially all he has to do is walk 50-100 meters if you are based in Complex as well. Don't expect the same in Bkk where fees are much higher and distance to cover large. VClub, JeySpa or Senso have fees of 1000 and min tip 1500-1800 so obviously they will quote much more. But if you order massage from apps 1000-1500 may be all you will pay. I had Grindr guy three times , 1500 was all he asked for excellent massage and extras, funny part was, it was actually him who was contacting me for business, not other way around. I'm glad I gave in

Specially when sheltering Khmer Rouge after Vietnamese chased them away from most of Cambodia. That shame shares with the West though.

Seriously? Do you remember what NATO did with Yugoslavia? Donetsk and Lugansk declared independency in 2014. Since that time Ukraine 7+ year bombed and shelled them. Even when they have the same rights as Kosovo. By the way: anybody here think what referenda is false in these regions? Maybe here is somebody who really thinks what they will prefer to join Ukraine after 7+ years of Ukrainian bombing?

You are entitled to your opinion. I am mine. The US / EU and UK governments I regard as criminal filth. I would condemn them before any other global leaders. While Thailand may be corrupt, it has nothing on Ukraine (which most under 40s can't even point to on a map). Follow the money. The scum then (30s,40s), are being funded by the same people as the scum now.

The USA is the bully. The rest of the world need to stop appeasing warmongers. This is all caused by NATO's advance east. I am 100% anti-war. I feel great sorrow in the suffering of the civilians in Ukraine. If as a species we found a better way to organise ourselves, maybe all this pointless killing could be avoided.

Smart step. More than half of Earth population abstained or voted against. Double standards implied in this voting.