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Part 3 Encounters Slvkguy did excellent analysis of the scene in PV in his post above and as you will see below my experiences are confirming it to a great degree. I had 5 massages, all 1 hr long and met 3 escorts, I describe massages first as one of massage guys become escort later. 1st encounter , in the shop on my hotel’s street I passed by , noticed few boys sitting outside , all on hunky side as all masseurs in PV it seems but one drew my particular attention so I motioned him to go inside. I was instructed to lay on the bed and wait for the guy who arrived after 2-3 minutes. He was fully dressed , I asked how much is massage – 700 pesos=35 USD for 1 hr. Massage was good but he studiously avoided being too close to my bit outstretched hands. Only after turnover he asked me how I want to finish. I asked him to remove shirt , yes for 500 extra. What about shorts? Another 500. Approved and only then , in complete silence I had a chance to put my hands on him. Bit expensive at 1700 total thought I but at least body was great. I did not ask for contact neither him offered. In fact I never saw him at that shop again which was too bad (that body, sigh!) 2nd encounter I mentoned I saw outstanding hunk in front of shop in the center of Zona Romantica but being sweaty went to hotel to take shower , returned , he was gone but I grabbed another hunk, probably closer to 40 than 30. Again , procedure the same, cost 700 , if I want him to remove shirt 200 more so I went for that 900 package. Massage very thorough and he was not shy being close to the table so I could feel this and that through his shorts and package was sizable , even if only half erected. But that was it when comes to steamy part. Gave him 1000, he gave me strong hug and asked to see him again. 3rd encounter Guy messaged me on Grindr and asked it I want massage, picture looked good so I took an offer. By the way 3 out of 4 guys I saw in flesh and on Grindr looked much better in flesh thank on their picture. He said he can come to my room or I can come to his shop. Keeping in mind 300 fee I opted for shop which turned out to be the same when I had my 1st . Massage 700 and if I wanted him naked 500 extra. Either he was less greedy or 1st guy took me for ride. So I had my naked masseur although he only lowered his shorts to the ankles but that was good enough. Nice time for 1200 but still not that cheap at equivalent of 2000 baht. Massage itself was weakest out of all I had. Since we communicated through Grindr he expressed wish to see me again and asked me to contact him there. 4th encounter I took a stroll toward gay section of the beach and adjacent Blue Chairs hotel and noticed 2 massage shops there. In front on one was a HUNK who in fact ignored me but I’m not that easily discouraged when comes to hunks so when coming back few minutes later I motioned him to go inside. Relaxing massage 750, deep tissue 1000. I went for deep tissue. Clothing removing question came pretty fast , 500 extra, agreed. Great body , big everywhere so I had a bit of fun exploring it although it was still on modest side , mindful of conspiracy. His face looked familiar so I asked if he is on Grindr. Yes. He gave me him phone number inviting to call him when need arises. I did the same day in the evening – see Guy 3 below. 5th encounter On my last day after I checked out of room I had 3 hours waiting time before arrival of airport van. Most logic was to have a massage g followed by some lunch and I decided to check those shops on Blue Char street again. There was nobody in one I went to day before but across the street there were 4 sizable guys sitting in front of other shop. One raised his had from smartphone screen and asked ‘ massage ? ‘ Deal. Price the same 750 or 1000. Again I went for deep tissue for 1000 and it was best massage out of those 5. No mention of shirt , even less shorts removal so just massage it is. It was only one when we actually talked during session. Nothing steamy but he let me to feel his private through the shorts and his ass was of particularly pleasant firm and bubbly quality. So I gave him 1200. He wanted to give me his number and was very disappointed to learn I’m leaving in hour and half. Had I stay longer , for sure we would have another meeting ,if only to see what his shorts were hiding. In fact I saw him again, when van was picking me up he was just passing by on his way home and our smiley eyes crossed again. So as you can see , while massages per se were on rather professional side , not really much happened to terms of steam and all that at expense much higher than would be in Bangkok ( 1000 peso is about 1800 baht ) Guys There were three. First On my first night upon return from Anthropology I noticed than quite pleasant looking guy contacted me on Grindr, not only saying ‘Hi’ but also posting his enticing nude pictures. Nevr mind it was past 1 am , I responded. Upon learning when I satay it was “ ouch , you hotels doesn’t allow guests but if you want you can ask them. “ So I went down, was informed it will be 300 and visitor must resent ID and will received bracelet upon entry. Sent message again and few minutes later guy was there. Wanted whopping 2000 and since it was my first night I agreed. As it turned later he lived block and half away only. I liked what I saw , man looking much better than on his pics. Athletic rather than muscular with impressive certain important muscle so to speak. Very professional , perhaps too professional as exactly after one hour his phone buzzed indicating time is over. But I liked him and my time with him so I suggested I can meet him every night whole week for 1500 a pop. Immediately accepted, he even suggested that I can see him in his place and instead paying hotel 300 each time I can pay that to him. Despite time being 2.30 am my mind was not that clouded so I countered that we split that 300 half / half. So for next few nights I went to his place for our hour of fun. And then after 5th time all of the sudden he went silent , not responding to my messages. Not a tragedy since I had consolation in Anthropology but I was curious what’s going on. Then on my last day he contacted me again , asked if we can meet and suggested my place for a change. It was funny as he came few minutes after my previous guest, Boy Third left , generating knowing smile by night shift manager. I did not get any explanation about that silence from yesterday, I did not ask either. All went very well as every night whole week but it must be spoiler, since it was our last night he asked for 500 extra. I paid but since I don’t like such antics I blocked my sweetie on Grindr and What’s Up as soon as left for the airport. Sorry man but deal is a deal, it was supposed to be 1500. Second When I fired Grindr on evening of arrival I noticed immediately shockingly attractive hunk . Coming to PV I decided that I will engage only guys who will be contacting me first. So I was extremely excited next day when he , noticing I checked his profile contacted me and offered his services. My judgement was clouded by his attractiveness so I even agreed to his 2000 fee. He preferred meeting at his place but it was short walk so I did not mind and went there. Yes it was him, profile was not fake but still somewhat manipulated. Face was as handsome , body was great but six pack somehow disappeared, butt shrunk and he , sensing perhaps my excitement, turned bit sandbagy. So while I liked our time together I knew coming down that it was it , specially for that kind of money. Third As I mentioned my 4th masseur’s face was familiar , he admitted to being on Grindr so upon returning to hotel I checked and found him, asked if he wants to see me in my room . We agreed on late evening the same day. Of course whole 300 fee and bracelet procedure but it was worth it. As I said , he was HUNK and turned not to be time watcher , no alarm clock at passing 1 hr. and seemed genuinely pleased that I like him or rather his body so much. Quite a catch with one of most beautiful cocks ever invented but foremost very service oriented personality. I upped his fee of 1500 to 2000 , well deserved , specially in view of granting us more time that that standard hour. So to summarize my PV flesh experience, strip club was fun, expensive but lively fun. One can economize a bit by reducing size of tips and have one , not three boys sitting with him on the evening but it was worth. Massages per se were good value as massages but really who needs massage in massage shop, that’s novelty for me. I’d say expensive way of getting boy’s contact information. Big plus was that almost all guys working in all places were well built and handsome, even if they had rotation system , one can’t go wrong. As for my guest’s and host’s, while compared to Bangkok more expensive , special per unit of time , two out three were very hot , pleasant , well endowed and free of antics. I liked them but at night I think I rather dream about my Bangkok guys than Vallarta ones. Will I go there again ? Quite possibly. I had good time there , boy encounters were more addition than goal itself. I did not feel pressured by myself to chase them , it just happened they appeared on horizon and I grabbed them. Will PV become competition to Thailand in my heart ? No way as on every account , hotels , boys , massages , tips , time watching Thailand represents better, really much better value but Vallarta has one advantage - it takes half price and 1/5 time to get there as opposite to BKK and no jet lag so at one point I may become fan of the place.

The following article was first published March 4, 2020 and reposted in today’s edition of Pattaya Mail. From the Pattaya Mail Last week we spoke with a group of Pattaya bargirls. The girl go-go scene is quite visible and known to all. This week we would like to give the men and boys who work in bars an opportunity to tell their side of the story. There is more mystery in their world, and a greater degree of discretion is required. They are hit by a double whammy from society; it’s not okay to be a whore and it’s not okay to be gay. This reporter interviewed three workers from a Pattaya bar. Anu, the oldest was thirty. Looking like an Asian Brad Pitt, he was calm and thoughtful. Torn, 24, was outgoing and higher voltage. He had the look and manner of Tom Cruise, in the movie Cocktail. Chai, 26 dark and muscular, was the most sure of his answers. We spoke in the central Thai dialect. JP: You aren’t what I expected. Are you typical? Torn: You were expecting katoeys?JP: Uh… Torn: Never mind (laughs). Katoeys are very visible. We’re not. JP: Are you gay? Anu: Yes, I am. Torn: So am I Chai: I’m not. JP: You’re sure? Anu: No, he isn’t. He has a wife and kids. JP: I’m confused. Anu: Being gay or straight doesn’t matter. We’re here to make money. Torn: Sometimes straight guys have it easier doing this work. JP: (Looking puzzled) ??? Anu: (thinks) You see, Chai is lucky. He just does his job and goes home. There’s no emotional investment for him. He has a family. Chai: Yeah, right. When I’m finished I leave and forget it. Torn: If you’re gay and do this type of work, you feel like your emotions are in a food processor. We don’t feel being gay is wrong, but in this scene, sometimes we wish we weren’t. JP: Why? Anu: Our customers. Some are very nice, but they get bored with us. JP: May I ask, are you attracted to any of your customers? Torn: Yes. Some of them. JP: Which customers? Anu: Asians. Torn: Yes. Mostly Asians. Chai: Anyone’s fine. As long as they pay. JP: Why Asians? Anu: Because we can relate to them. JP: I don’t understand. Aside from Thais, it must be difficult to communicate with Japanese, Koreans or other Asians. Anu: But they look like us and our cultures are similar. They want fun, so they are kind to us. I also find some of them attractive. JP: Could you explain? Anu: Very simple. We’re gay men. We take all customers, but it’s easier if they’re our type. Torn: Easier? Sure. I remember that Taiwanese guy. You almost went bananas! You JP: I’m in the dark. Anu: I met a very handsome, 25 year old law student from Taiwan. He was very generous and kind. He bought me gold and clothing. I really became infatuated. He even took me to Taiwan. After a week he sent me back here. I couldn’t be a real part of his life. It hurt. JP: What about the Farangs? (Silence). Please be open. What do you think? Torn: We find farangs to be the least desirable type of customer (pause). JP: Why? Anu: Several reasons. Farangs have this idea that 500 Baht is the market rate. They usually give us no more; often less. Also 99.9% of the Farangs who come here are not the least bit attractive. They look down on us. Their attitude’s wrong. Torn: Women bar workers are luckier. They can fake it. If we can’t perform, customers get upset. We usually fantasize. JP: Speaking of the fantastic, do any unusual things happen with customers? Torn: Yeah. I had one who was so afraid of disease; he wore three pairs of surgical gloves and three condoms. Torn: Yes, really. He disinfected himself with Dettol afterwards. He was strange when he first came in. Wouldn’t touch any of the doorknobs. JP: You don’t find Farangs attractive? Chai: Most of the guys don’t. But some only like farangs over forty. They don’t feel the same warmth with young men. Torn: The ones I like usually speak fluent Thai, and don’t like bars. JP: Oh. And you, Chai? Chai: I just think of the money and it works! Anu: Chai’s lucky. No emotional conflicts. JP: Are there any positive points about this work? Chai: For me, the funny things make it bearable. A guy took me to his hotel room. He had a valise full of make-up and women’s clothing. He had me dress up. Imagine me in drag? Ha! He spent the whole night cooing about how beautiful I was. Otherwise, he didn’t touch me. And he gave me three thousand baht. An easy trick. I described the dresses to my wife. She said they sounded dreadful. Anu: The first two years are fun. I was young, fresh and popular. I got taken out almost every night. Customers bought me gifts. I felt really desirable. JP: Why don’t you find other work? Anu: Once you do this for about six months, you’re trapped. We become used to the money. And we can never save any. It comes too easily. JP: Anu, where have you been, aside from Taiwan? Anu: Macao and Belgium. JP: What did you do? Anu:. I did this type of work. My customers were Thai women who worked in bars there. They were lonely for Thai men. I only stayed a month. JP: Why? Anu: Because I’m not attracted to women and they were neurotic. Too many hassles. JP: (to Chai) How does your wife feel about you doing this? Chai: (Laughs) She was the one who told me to do it! She works in a bar herself. She just asks me not to go with women. We hope to save enough to start a business. JP: Do your families know you do this? Torn, Chai: No. Anu: My mother pretends she doesn’t know. My brother is a real bastard. He called me names. I pointed out I was the one who had paid for his education and marriage by selling myself. I told him if he didn’t like it, to leech off someone else! JP: What’s the most difficult thing in your work? Torn: Weirdos! Anu: A lot of Western men are kinky and want us to do things we find distasteful. JP: May I ask what? Anu: Usually sado-masochism and other things. I’m not in to giving and receiving physical pain. And the other things? Think about it. Yuegh! JP: Do you have any future hopes? Anu: A man from France comes here every year on his vacation and always spends it with me. I’m not in love with him. He’s not my type. But I like him as a friend. He promises that he will take me to France to live with him. But it hasn’t happened yet. JP: How long have you known him? Anu: (Smiles ruefully) Seven years. Torn: Anu, you’re a pessimist. I do this because I want experience. Friendly customers are okay. It’s better than loading rice barges. Chai: Yeah, and I’ve had customers help out my family! JP:. I’m sorry for taking up so much of your time. All: That’s okay. There are no customers. JP: When we publish articles we usually have an illustration. How would you like it to be? JP: When we publish articles we usually have an illustration. How would you like it to be? Anu: Maybe you shouldn’t make it look as if we’re all happy. JP: Why? Anu: Chai’s not gay and Torn’s still young. I’m thirty and don’t have as many customers as before. I had a Thai lover for three years, but we separated. I was too old for him. Most gay men like younger people. After our looks go, it’s difficult to find customers or life partners. I’ll not have children, and what would I do at home? The future seems lonely. Torn: (his face is bleak) Why did you have to mention that? JP: I’ll try with the illustration. Anu: Thank-you. JP: Thank you. Torn: Come back and talk again. JP: You want to talk to a farang? Torn You’re not a farang. You’re Thai. Wanna ride home? I’ve got a large motorcycle with a small seat. JP: (JP actually blushes).

Yes. When I was going over to their place I was paying the standard rate. After they became my go-to guyd and started coming to my house they dropped their asking price, based on the fact that they'd have a regular income from me. I'm quite generous and I have always believed that in life you get what you pay for, generally speaking. Apart from the money they can have a good time at my place with lots of activities available apart from sex. They also have use of my credit card at the liqour store and are free to buy whatever they want to drink. They have never abused the privilege. Like me, they are not big drinkers and just enjoy a few drinks at night so although the alcohol is expensive, we don't drink a lot of it. In return they are very generous with their time and like my 2 regulars in Thailand they are very enthusiastic in bed. And they never ask for anything. When I'm on an Asian sex trip I have sex every day - once in the afternoon and once (sometimes twice) at night. It feels like I need to get off so often because I've come all this way. Plus, the Asian guys are a real turn-on for me; I need to make up for the lack of Asians available in Perth. There are lots of Asian students at the universities here but they tend to come from wealthy backgrounds so don't need to sell their bodies. Unlike my sex trips, at home I don't need to have sex day after day and in any case I'd wear myself out very quickly. On a trip, I can only last a couple of weeks before I have to come home and have a rest. As I said, I don't know how long this set-up can continue. When it does I'll just have to visit Asia more often. At the moment, the Myannmar spa guys are looking very attractive!

Doesn't look particularly fancy in the day time. But very brightly lit at night! The old entrance to lucky boys is also still operating

Part 2 continued Strip Clubs After combing internet I was expecting to visit all four listed, three of them on Cardenas , practically one beside another. But it did not work that way – Pervert seemed to disappear or relocate but I did not find where. Wet Dreams looked closed for low season I checked almost daily well past midnight but no , it was not opened. Hope in future. 69 is opened but I had bad luck as it was in process of renovation for 2 weeks, I even saw work in process and scheduled to re-open 2 days after my departure. There’s prominent sign in the window “men only admitted”. Obviously no trace of political correctness there. This left me with only choice - Anthropology. That bar is located actually outside of Zona Romantica , immediately across the river, just past bridge. During day it can be overlooked but at night is lighted with psychedelic neon and just to make sure there ‘s bare chested , well built but also well past his prime guy on duty at the entrance making sure all visitors are making donation in absence of entry ticket. Each time I was placing 100 peso = 5 USD in the jar but had impression that 50 or even 20 would do. I visited it 4 times, including one during deluge when in order to enter I needed to wring at the entrance my soaked and dripping shirt. Every time it was busy , at times very busy with standing room only. Ladies are admitted but behaved well. But not too many old gringos in audience , Every time I felt like a dean of customers with my white hair. So how it works there ? You climb the stairs to find yourself in very spacious bar , take a seat and order drink. Corona beer cost only 50 for customer but 150 for a boy if you invite one for drink. Each time it was at least 20-30 guys on duty. There are more lavishly priced drinks , at times boys even ordered 2 which cost 400 but there’s advantage to it – boy is sitting with you until his drink is finished. They are quite reasonable , not gulping it all in one go , so you can count on 15-20 minutes of conversation, some caressing , hugging, kissing , depending how brave you are and how inclined guy is. I noticed some are reserved and others extremely easily forthcoming. They are dressed in their underwear , sometimes also t-shirt but will remove it on request immediately. Yes , you can feel their privates, cock usually was erect and erection enforced by rubber ring and those are Latin cocks, cocks of size ! Most boys asked for a tip or another drink, but few just finished their glass and left to the next customer or to perform. My system was 500 i.e. if boy ordered 2 drinks and it cost 400 , 100 was his tip, if ordered cheaper one for say 250, 250 was his tip. They were asking for private dance promising 20 minutes for 500. I took bait 2 times but found it poor value. They have rooms for that upstairs, you pay 500 to the cashier and you both climb the stairs close door and you have naked adonis to play with. In both cases they asked for 500 tip on top of fee paid already so total was 1000= 50 USD and in both cases 20 minutes lasted 10 and 15. So definitely not worth it unless you really like guy which was my second case. I had him sitting with me every night. I’m not sure they took an advantage of my newness with that extra tip or that is the system. If I stay longer I’d find out. I spoke to one of boys and he admitted they prefer tip to drinks on which they get some commission but boss is watching and is expecting them to have certain number of drinks. He also said that boys can be take out for a familiar fee of 500 but I did not get to it, may be next time. Some boys spoke very good English , some almost none and everything in between. As for shows there’s always at least one at any given time, always solo , on one of three venues : main stage, pole dancing and shower . Sometimes one guy is performing on the stage and at the same time other is showering. Shower show by the way is only one with full nudity and boys there are not shy. Main stage performers usually sport rigid member , rather surely enforced by cock ring. After their part boys circulate among audience asking for tips so better be prepared with change although it’s easy to get one from waiter , I paid for my 50 peso beer with 500 note , asked for change for tips and I got fistful of 20 and 50 peso notes as a change, easy. Of course waiter got 20 peso for his efforts. You may have situation that at the same time 3 guys are circulating , main stager , shower guy and pole dancer , each with his hat you should place your tip in but also with his poking cock you can get a feel of for few precious seconds. All at time when you have another guy sitting with you already and not exactly saying rosary either . Fun there never stops but also money is flowing like the river. But there’s little pressure, you get his smile and feel of whatever part of his body you fancy ( some assess are just God sent) whether you tip 20 or 100 and if you don’t they are moving to next client. Boys are not shy and quite happy to share their attributes with you for a moment or three as long as you grease their palms. I had fun there every time but Guardian Angel instructed me to take only so much money so when it was gone , shortly was I, happy but empty pocketed ( 3000 each night, 2-3 hrs of non stop fun including 3-4 boys sitting with me for a time ) In comparison with Thai bars refreshing is absence of mamasans, boys are doing their soliciting by themselves but as I said , with very little pressure , I can recall only one so called face when I tipped guy just 20 peso. Those who frequent Tawan will find an atmosphere similar.

Whether we be a top or a bottom, the prostate in gay men is hugely important to our sexual / social life. 14 years ago (when I was 59) I was diagnosed with prostate cancer ("PC"). Whenever we're told we have Cancer, we assume the worst; oftentimes, for good reason: the "end" is near!. My PC was diagnosed as consuming 12% of my prostate. Instead of "watchful waiting", I chose to have my prostate removed (it doesn't belong in me, get it out!). Anticipating the Urological Surgeon's caution that it was likely I'd lose some length and firmness/rigidity of my dick post-op (which turned out to be an accurate prediction), I postponed surgery for a month so that I could visit Rio de Janeiro ... and I could have fun in Rio de Janeiro (GP, and some women for hire). For most of my life I was a "top". Most importantly, I wanted to fuck as many stunningly handsome guys as I could before surrendering my erection to the surgeons. Post-OP, the removed prostate analysis revealed that it was 25% consumed by PC and had not, to the best of the knowledge of my Urologist, metastasized (thankfully). Very lucky me! So, it's not been easy post-op. I'm unattached, no partner. My focus on sexual satisfaction has changed. I enjoyed a spectacular period of time during pre-op which I enjoyed/excelled being a "top". Fantastic memories, thankfully. Any others on this forum who have had PC, and surgery? 😁

I'm in my mid-30s and into twinks so usually it's not easy to get the guys on Grindr where I am in Australia. The hot Australian bottom twinks are difficult to get because there is an overabundance of attractive tops in their 20s that I'm competing with. The top to bottom ratio makes it a bottoms-market where I am, the apps are filled with guys wasting time for attention, catfishing, or have the kind of personalities you want nothing to do with no matter how hot they are. This year has been pretty remarkable though, I have been with the two hottest guys I've ever been with in my home city. One of them I dated for a month before it all fell apart and the other was just a horny onlyfans twink I messaged on Grindr that wanted to be used for a night. I've had a few paid regulars over the years, but they are usually pretty disappointing compared to the guys I meet overseas. The international students doing freelance massage here have been the best options, but there are not many of them. There is a gay sauna or two but I've never been to a sauna, I would probably be more willing to try a sauna overseas than at home because I don't want to run into anyone I know.

I used to find rent guys advertising in the personal columns of the newspapers in Perth. I had a list a mile long to choose from and for years I'd get in my car and drive all over town whenever I felt horny. As I grew up in an Asian country it was only natural for me to prefer Asian guys but most of those advertising were Western. I got really excited when one day I found a guy who was Thai. I got into my car and rushed over to his apartment but was shocked to see he was a ladyboy! I tried to escape but he somehow managed to cut me off at the pass and before I knew it I was lying down on the massage table. He gave me a quick hand job and I then got up and rushed out the door. I found a few guys who said they were Japanese but strangely enough, they didn't understandca single a word of what I was saying in Japanese. Turns out they were Chinese. Unfortunately, they were rather pushy, just wanting to get the deed over as quickly as possible, so the sex was barely acceptable. There's nothing worse than a guy looking back at you over his shoulder asking "Have you finished yet?" I've lost count of the number of guys I've contacted through their newspaper ads, but again, the sex was very mechanical. However, I did actually meet 3 guys who I really liked. Not only did they have the necessary attributes - handsome, swimmer's body, friendly personality and big, fat cock - they were also awesome in bed and best of all, they were versatile. These 3 guys became my regulars and we have spent a lot of time together. One is now off the scene but the other 2 are available. The routine is, I'll call one over in the late afternoon or early evening. He has his own room on the far side of the house. We'll have sex then sit out on the balcony and watch the sunset while we have a drink or two. Then we go out for dinner. After dinner we'll sit and chat or get into the jacuzzi or have a swim. We then have sex again and he goes off to his room to sleep. He comes back to my room in the morning and we lie in bed for a while just chatting and planning the day before we have some more fun - usually just a wank, sometimes just a cuddle. Both guys are into cars so we often go for a drive out in the country. In winter we go to the movies and in summer we go to the beach. Then it's back home after lunch and I like to just sit on the sofa and play with my Ipad and he might go to his room for a while. There's heaps of things at home to keep him busy - I've got a gym and I've also bought an xbox with some car racing games, compete with driver's seat, steering wheel, etc. All this is just to make sure that he doesn't get bored when he comes over. Even though this arrangement is almost perfect for me, I wonder how long it will last as sooner or later the 2 guys will have to move on. That means I'll have to try and find someone else and that might be very difficult to do. The other problem is, they are not Asian. If they were, my life would be perfect. Oh well, you can't have everything.

Part 2 Disclaimer : my time there was short and it was my first visit in Mexico boy hunting so don’t treat anything I write as a Gospel. Those are my impressions but all is based on relatively small statistic sample gathered in short span of time so I may be wrong or inaccurate. When comes to pricing , definitely I made typical novice’s mistakes buy over paying and under negotiating services. Even after week I saw it. Even if spot on, I’m also not sure how representative PV scene is to rest od country. At least two members with experience in Mexico suspected that scene there is spoiled by affluent California queeny gays. Gay scene “Romantica “ in Zona Romantica district name refers chiefly to gays. Couples are very visible day and night, both locals and gringos as PV is considered by many gay capital of Mexico. Walking guys holding hands even after Sunday mass are not drawing any attention. And PLU are supporting vide range of businesses in Zona , Cardenas being main street where a lot of businesses catering to gays are located, not all of them opened though. Go-go bars and street trade That’s easy, I did not hear about those when researching destination before arriving and did not see any on the ground so safely can assume there’s none. I was offered weed at least 4 times and if there’s any street trade I assume I would see guys available, particularly that I was wandering through the streets of Zona Romantica and Malecon at various times , including well after midnight. Sauna Not my scene but there’s Spartacus on main drag open till 6 am well lit and with warning ‘ men only , do not enter if you don’t like gay lifestyle” posted inside just in front of entry. Clubs Quite a few , well attended by both genders, visible from far because of lights and noise, again did not survey because it’s not my scene. Industry, Paco Ranch and Slaughters seemed particularly popular. Massages Several shops in Zona including 4 in close vicinity of my hotel , guys are usually sitting or standing outside quite actively inviting business. Almost all on older side 25+ including few with greying hair already and invariably well build. Twink lovers don’t have much i.e. anything to do in PV, not in massages , nor in strip club , not even on Grindr. Vallarta visitors like their boys on better built side , that’s my firm impression. And those who know me , know that I liked what was on offer. I took 5 massages and describe them in the next part but my general observation from that sample are : There’s no mention of shower before or after, one just goes to the room , gets massaged and that’s it. Guys are massaging you fully dressed, t -shirt and track pants or shorts. Yes, it’s possible to undress them but for a fee. Forget about hanky panky , everything other than massage is done in silence and conspiracy. Most guys are very willing to exchange contact info for further encounters outside of working hours. Guys are rotating often so if you see one you fancy , grab him , don’t assume he will be there next day. I learned that lesson in one shop where guy at front was made of my dreams but I was returning from jungle trek and wanted to take shower first. Went to hotels , showered , returned and he was gone to be never seen again and I was passing by at least twice daily. Massage is invariably started from upper back , opposite to way practised in Thailand. In comparison to Thai massages guys in PV seem to be better trained and coverage is also better but under pressured. I like my massages strong and only one , my last, was strong enough. Perhaps those biggish guys were afraid to crush KFC man?. More details will be in part 3 “Boys” , planned at sometime between now and Christmas. Apps I use only Grindr and before arrival I promised to myself to involve only guys who will contact me first in line with my rule to hire guys who are smiling at me recognizing my presence. Like massages and strip club, guys there are old older and hunkier side. A lot seemed to be visitors. Money boys and even massage offers are very discreet, much more so than in Bangkok , not to mention Pattaya. So basically one needs to ask as descriptions tend to be very cryptic. As we learn in future I had a luck securing guy for the nightly sessions. And another one for single session. One of my massages was arranged by app and after another massage I spot my guy there inviting him for repeat at night in my room. (part 2 to be continued as I don't want post to be too long )

PART 1, common stuff This trip came even as surprise to myself. I was planning to go somewhere lese but things did not work so I was left with both free time and untouched travel fund allotted for that trip not to even mention desire to travel. So I decided to look for some last minute options and one of my friends who actually spent December there suggested Puerto Vallarta in Mexico. Him not being gay did not even realize how illustrious that advise sounded to me in view of supposed vast gay scene there and 273 clicks later my package consisting flight , hotel, breakfast and airport transfer in PV both ways was purchased. All I had to do was to pack, get some information both tourist and about the scene and wait few days for an actual flight to take that week long vacation. This was my third visit to Mexico but last being 20 years ago almost to the day and then free from any boy hunting made me feeling I’m discovering uncharted territory specially that previously I was in different parts of country. Puerto Vallarta is on Pacific coast in the bottom od quite vast Banderas bay and is quite big city of about 200 000 which was good new meaning there’s something to do if weather interferes. September is not a best time to go there according to my information as it is rainy season but it turned much better than expected. City was still full of vacationers , mainly Mexicans, but not crowded, flight both ways was about 2/3 full and rainy season turned quite pleasant with sunny mornings and afternoons, it was raining daily early evening but with exception of one day rain lasted 1-2 hrs max. One day deluge lasting from 6 pm to at least 3 am, perhaps longer but I fall asleep so don’t know did not stop me from having fun, all I need was to wring my shirt before entering strip bar . More about that later. City is neatly divided into 4 parts , from airport going south Marina section , then Hotel Zone changing into Centre and than after crossing the river , Zona Romantica, main entertainment and above everything else, gay entertainment part. Small island between that Zona and Centre has best art crafts market in whole city in my opinion and no souvenir shopping should be done without visiting there. Speaking about crafts , after my previous visit to Mexico out of all countries I visited and I visited more than one I rated that country along with Peru , Morocco , Iran , India and Myanmar as best place to shop but not any more as , like almost everywhere cheap, Chinese produced stuff , uniformly looking takes most of space of shelves although still a lot of interesting stuff can be found. It’s quite possible that situation in other parts of country like Mexico city is much better but PV did not impress me that much when comes to that stuff. Communication is easy, taxis are everywhere and bus system easy to master with fares of 10 peso = 50 US cents. What to do there other than shopping , strolling along Malecon and of course enjoying the ocean’s warm waters ? ( gay part will come in a while ). Out of 6 full days there I stay in the city for first and last , middle part of stay devoting to day time trips visiting attractions listed below. Vallarta Botanical Gardens, 45 minutes bus trip, fare 1.50 USD one way, cut out of jungle with trekking and river bathing options with good restaurant on the site. Take bathing suit and towel. Jungle trek along the shore from Boca de Tomatlan ( 30 minutes by bus , 50 cents ) taking about 3 hours with possible sunbathing and swimming on few secluded small beaches , including one I had just to myself for good hour. It end in Las Animas where you can have a lunch and return by boat ( 200 peso = 10 USD ) to Boca and back to PV by bus for another 50 cents. Sayulita , small but very popular city with good beach and plenty of attractive boutiques for shoppers and known for good surf. Buses from Wal Mart in Marina part of PV going there every ½ hr , trip takes 1.5 hr one way and cost heart stopping 1.5 $ USD = 30 peso. Yelapa, secluded beach village accessible only by boat, 400 peso = 20 USD round trip from PV. There’s beach , restaurants and 2 waterfalls, smaller close to the village , bigger one requiring 1-1.5 hr trek one way. I opted for big one and it was not a right decision in rainy season as getting there requires crossing the river which after last night rain was quite swollen and I backed up afraid that if something would happen to me , nobody knew as I was there alone. So wait for dry season to get there. My package included stay in Tropicana hotel very conveniently located on the beach , just south of Zona Romantica, 15 minutes walk to Anthropology ( soon you will learn why it’s important ), steps from Blue Chairs gay hotel and beach. In short location was excellent. When combing gay sites I learned they hotel is very gay friendly so it made me even more excited. I was assigned room on the last floor with view almost to die for. Room was spacious , had balcony, hotel had not one but two pools. What for with ocean just outside the gate I don’t know but both were occupied heavily during day. Disappointing part for hotel of this class and first quarter of 21 century was no internet in the room , only in common areas on ground level. I solved it by buying SIM card with data for 150 peso = 7.5 USD but still was disappointed. There was no kettle in the room to make tea or coffee , again I solved it by bringing my own immense water heater and metal cup. Drinking water was provided but only 2 bottles for the whole stay, not daily. And final, gay friendly doesn’t mean guest friendly. Guest was required to register, obtain bracelet removed subsequently on departure and host was supposed to pay 300 peso -= 15 USD joiner fee. All this in place charging 80-130 $ per night !!! When compared to Thailand we can see that hotel value there is much , much , much better. Still I would stay there again, mainly because of location and view – almost all rooms have unobstructed ocean view but only as part of package. Having flight and hotel cost me only 260 $ more than just flight only for the same dates so daily rate was slightly above 30 $, it’s why I’m not complaining. Finally before we move to more interesting subject , since this is Mexico we need to mention crime situation and here I have very good news for you. In Puerto Vallarta it is not your concern. I was walking nightly through in parts very deserted streets very late , sometimes at 1-2 pm and never ever had reason for concern. On the first day I arrived in hotel at 7 pm , by time I settled it was dark and went about the completely unknown to me city and it was all peaceful and quiet , of course with exception of being close to raucous gay and straight bars ( gay ones were noisier ). I had one more attraction included in the package , unknown to me. When we landed we were greeted with news that 3 hours earlier there was earthquake. Then when about the city on my fist night I went to restaurant I was told that they may close soon as they expect tsunami warning which did not materialize fortunately. Finally , deep into night when I arrived from Anthropology ( soon , soon , relax ) around 3 am and went to bed before I fell asleep I felt hotel dancing and it lasted good 40 seconds if not more. It was pretty strong but not strong enough to create damage. Not a first earthquake in my life but still memorable experience. Gay part coming most likely tomorrow

big difference....a couple of shirtless guys in shorts does quite a bit to brighten it up. Instead of painting the front of my house, I may have to consider this option, but what will the neighbors think 😜

I've heard so many people talk about this "Breakfast" thing......My only experience with it , is if it's served after 12 noon. Don't see the urge in waking up especially for it though 🙄

Additionally, follow the news for possible upcoming instability as it appears former president “Lula” will win the current election but incumbent windbag “Bozo” has threatened that he has the military totally behind him. If Lula does not secure the win immediately, a run off at the end of the month could mean a very tumultuous October.

They were open in the new premises last night (Saturday) There is a fancy new main entrance on the side street that runs between patpong soi 1 and 2

I suspect @Fred Joos is the owner or in some way connected with Adam's Apple. If that is the case, thank you for updating the information. Adam's Apple was always a great bar, although there was a time when it dipped a little at the same time as it and the downstairs lounge bar were taken over by a new owner probably a dozen or so years ago. It was the variety of dancers and the helpful staff that made it the best of the few Chiang Mai gogo venues. The nude parade along the catwalk was always popular and the shows were fun, even though the boys were amateurs as performers. Drinks also were very reasonably priced. Hopefully little has changed.

Peter, my dear, this topic was about same sex marriage in Cuba. You authored the very first response to the OP as an excuse to indulge your penchant for bashing America. You’re obsessed with doing that, poor fellow. This was a deliberate attempt to derail the discussion and now you’re dismayed because there are some members who call you out for it.

There's no one "Mexican food." It's a large country with regional variations in fare. You can be gluttonous eating every part of a cow or pig, or eat healthy. As for weather: September, October and early-November ... that's the core of the rainy season. Tropical storms, hurricanes, etc. Water quality along the beaches during these periods can be "stay away" classification.

I found Sept weather agreeable and quite pleasant. mornings and afternoons were sunny and warm, early evenings were rainy for 1-2 hours and warm. It was one day without rain and one with long, torrential rain I completely agree with your analysis based on what I experienced there, have only doubts about excellent food part but that's me , not a fan of Mexican fare. But yes , your analysis is spot on as we will see shortly when I describe my encounters with local talent while there.

I myself love nipple stimulation. I tell the guys mine are 2nd and 3rd peru for me, in no particular order. They love lovers of nipple sucking. It’s one item on the menu that doesn’t impose on them the obligation of consistent rock hard tumescence. It’s just that you cannot always provide a convincing argument that meandering down to your dick is a simple variation of sucking with little additional significance associated with it.

I should have added that i was referring to the period between the two World Wars when the USA adopted an isolationist policy. Certainly a lot of shit has been stirred since the end of WWII. I always wonder how George Bush Jnr has not been strangled in the media for his comment about his meeting with Putin. "I looked the man in his eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. . . I was able to get a sense of the soul of the man." That from the so-called leader of the free world!! God didn't help the world, unfortunately, as Iraq and the Middle East was to discover! And do we yet know what Trump agreed with Putin during their unique one-on-one meeting in Helsinki with no others present apart from translators? Did he agree to Putin annexing more of Ukraine, I wonder? Another leader of the free world this time proved to be a liar, arrongant cheat, narcissistic, fraudster, racist - virtually a mafia boss. So much for the system of allegedly free elections!

Bros is said to be the first romantic comedy about 2 gay men from a major Hollywood studio. It stars Billy Eichner & Luke Macfarlane & Eichner also co-wrote the film. Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQIeBB9XMe8

Part 0: Ready for take off While I'm writing this, I am at the airport waiting for my flight to Bangkok via Doha. Ready for almost 1 month in Thailand. Bangkok, Chiang Rai & Chiang Mai, Pattaya, Phuket… I have a busy schedule ahead. Planning to make an interesting trip-report for you guys. Off course with up-to-date information about all “boy fun” on offer at the moment. But also some non-sexual (boring…? haha) stuff. Any requests on what to check out while I’m around, let me know. The first time I came to Bangkok was in February 2013. As starting point for a two-month round tour in South-East Asia. It was my first time travelling solo. A big adventure. I instantly felt in love with SE-Asia. Not only because of the easy-to-get guys, but also because of the culture, nature and food. As a result, I would come back every year. As I worked in tourism, I had 3 months off every year in European low-season; the best months to travel in SE-Asia. I even managed to work in Phuket / Khao Lak a few months for the company a few years later. A dream come true. My last holiday in Thailand was in January / February 2020, just before covid19 hit. And now, after more than two years I am finally coming back! In my favourite city: Bangkok. It’s busy, smelly, humid and noisy. But somehow I like how vibrant it is. I’ve always been more a city-person than a beach-person. I was thinking about all the good memories I have in Bangkok. The many nights I’ve spent in Soi Twilight. You couldn’t enter that alley for 5 meters without being groped, touched and seduced by bar staff, moneyboys and touts trying to lurk you into their club for a “big cock show”. All fighting for your attention and money. Entrance of Soi Twilight in the old days I usually started the night with a drink on the terrace of Maxis bar. While sipping my rum&coke I could watch all the craziness going on in Soi Twilight. From there you had a good view on the massage boys of Bangkok Massage waiting for customers. Laughing girls passing by. Straight couples with the guy holding hands with his girlfriend and having a scared look in his eyes. Solo male tourists getting in ando ut of XBoys, Fresh Boys or Dream Boys. With or without their “catch of the day”. The first show I watched was at Dream Boys. How shocked I was seeing the act with the ladyboy with the very small penis and the acrobatic fuck show. And you could just choose from the guys on stage by telling the staff which number you like? A bit like Chinese take-away restaurant: choose what looks tasty from the menu, tell them what number you want and take home to enjoy… A whole new world to me; buto one I found very interesting and exciting. I also remember another club at the end of Soi Twilight that had a big water tank, where boys would swim in to do some kind of underwater erotic show. Was it Classic Boys? Watch this YouTube video to see how it was in Soi Twilight the good old days. Anyhow; I was used to all of it pretty soon. The shows in the different bars didn’t shock me anymore. After you’ve seen a few, you come to the conclusion they are all “same, same”. The only thing that kept me intrigued for some time, was the act where they slam their hard cocks with a loud bang into a metal pole. That must hurt! But somebody told me they really don’t slam their cock that hard into the pole. The noise is made because the slam something else (feet/leg?) into the pole at the same moment, so it looks the cock is making a harder impact than it actually does. But I never managed to actually see prove of this theory myself. Soi Twilight closed down (2020) Why am I writing this? Because as we all know Soi Twilight is gone. The last time I was in Bangkok, I had to settle with Patpong 2 instead. It’s good that some of the bars and clubs from Twilight found a new home in Patpong 2. But in 2020 I felt Patpong 2 was by far not having that special vibe that Twilight had. And for sure, covid19 will not have done anything good to change it become better. But let’s look at the bright side: Bangkok still has a lot to offer when it comes to boybars, erotic shows and sexy guys. And I’m about to go on a big adventure in the LOS again.

Pleased to inform readers that I awakened this morning to my second day of rainless and partly overcast skies over Bangkok. The air is cool enough to open the windows and take in a pleasant breeze. The last two evening were perfect for walking. Getting in about 11:45 on Wednesday night, there was only one person in front of me at immigration. Less than three minutes later I was on my way. Spent the first night at The Quarter Silom on Soi Tarntawan. Check in was quick and I immediately messaged my friend to meet me in the lobby. He arrived 15 minutes later and no problem whatsoever bringing him to room (I’d booked for two, including breakfast). Rooms here are tight an compact but very clean with a most comfortable bed and walk in shower. The buffet breakfast offered much more than I expected and we more than satisfied. Checked out at 11:45 and front desk allowed us to check bags while I went to phone store to renew my plan (200 bht per month). It was raining lightly but not enough to keep us from short walk to Airbnb. Rain cleared by evening and we walked around the Silom-Silom rectangle. In anticipation of Vinapu’s impending visit, KFC has opened a new location in the site at Rama 4 and Silom Rd. Once the home of Robinson’s Department store, it now houses Silom Edge, a multi-use complex and the Colonel appears to be among the first occupancies to open. One thing that caught our eye were massage shops that seemed to be doing a good business. Spoke briefly with a few friendly guys on upper Silom and on Soi Six who reported that business has been good. The outdoor food stalls we’re doing a brisk business along Surawong. Stopped for meal at The Beer Garden and waitress remembered I like ice in my Leo. Have a haircut on the agenda today and a trip to Foodland to gather provisions. It’s great to be back.

one can eat breakfast at any time , it's simply first meal of the day. Due to jet lags my earliest in BKK was around 4 am and the latest about 2 pm

You may have to experiment splitting up the total duration into components, particularly if the stay is on the lengthy side. Sometimes a 2-week stint is blocked simply due to a wedding on one night within the given period where guests are all staying the one night. Hence, Booking dot com yields ‘dates unavailable’. It’s why I usually use Airbnb but I have been doing so for years with success, while others won’t go near the platform. 100-200 Euros can go far on Airbnb in terms of quality. —— And may your beautiful fruit abroad, peaches, passion fruit, and otherwise, be bountifully cum-filled.

yes, when you are done with him , send him my way

Perhaps you had your breakfast too early and you weren't hungry enough ? On more serious note somebody recently was praising buffet breakfast in Quarter Silom, it's available to non-residents of hotel. I recall having very lavish and costly breakfast in place on on Suriwong across the street from mouth of Patpong, don't recall name of the place. And of course for hungry people there's World Heritage multistar Foodland Patpong opened 8 days a week , 25 hours a day with their 65 baht option between 5.30 and 9 , raising exponentially to 81 after that, but I have feeling their offer may not sophisticated enough for some.

Reading the posts with interest. Having been only to CDMX, admittedly a few years ago, but the price levels indicated above certainly don't make me want to go back. I wonder, why you (US readers) bother with attitude guys, hotels with joiners fees and those inflated price levels in PV when you can travel to Colombia and have it all for far less? I reckon the distance/flight time is about the same, and Cartagena or Santa Marta seem similar to PV (but obviously not with such an outspoken gay scene as in PV).

I used to travel egypt every year and i lived there 4 years for my job do speak egyptian and ready to pay what we call gay4pay men. Of course i met a lot of beautiful créatures. But i have no memory of a gifted lover. G4p egyptians are the worst lovers i met… too inhibited by religion.

Did you make it to Los Amigos bar....That's where I had the most fun and the guys are more "humble" (cheaper) ...but it's been awhile since I've been there. Maybe when we meet up in Thailand, we can make plans to meet in Mexico, being with someone that can translate/negotiate might give you a different opinion of the country....same for Brazil 😉

For visitors from the US, the much lower cost of the airfare (compared to going to Thailand) would offset the higher cost of the recreational activities. Thanks for the excellent posts!

You are so right there, I had been reading about the problems for quite a while and had always wondered if the problems were so obvious to everyone why weren't they shut down earlier? Then of course I think of the old saying "follow the money trail" and started to wonder just how high up the trail went and suspect it went very high.

no, there's way more cryptic, you must have a short memory 😉 I know we've posted before, that we buried the hatchet, and I met Riobard in Lagoa in SP. He's really a nice guy.....but I still only understand about 10% of his comments.... he's either on speed or is like Doc Brown in Back to the future..... So latbear4blk, maybe we are the stupid ones after all 😳

I’m usually happy with one trip encounter for these less predictable destinations. Five years ago this season was soaked up to my ankles in flooded PV streets that became rivers. Without my fly-fishing waders I just walked southbound from digs near northerly local market, in my bare feet or plastic sliders; lucky to endure no major abrasions to soles, or electrocution for that matter. Put shoes back on when could keep them dry. Got lucky with a buff inexpensive guy in private dance mode at Wet. Ironic … Wet. Anthropology was a wash; also ironic given late-ish PM torrential floods. I had been many times in the 1990s for winter vacays pre sex tourism life stage. Always liked it, including in 2017.

Am I just dumb or is this the most cryptic of yours posts ever?

I wonder why world assumes one China policy means absorbing Taiwan into mainland. Who knows, perhaps one day it will be mainland who joins democratic Republic of China. Impossible? If somebody told us in 1987 that in 5 years USSR won't be there any more what we were saying then? until those forces are tested in the battle we will not know how prepared and lethal they are. Weren't Russian thinking in February that Kiev will be theirs in few days ?

no, only raw external force will stop him or internal unrest, whatever will comes first but it will come

There’s no excuse more lame in the face of an enemy like Putin than cowardice. The suffering he’s wrought upon thr people of Ukraine has risen to crimes against humanity. The last thing Ukrainians, and those who’ll follow if Putin isn’t stopped, need are whining pinkos. Does anyone really think Putin appetite will be sated by what he has managed to gain so far. Somehow I just don’t believe he’ll be dissuaded by biting criticism.

my readers may be interested in report of my recent trip to Puerto Vallarta , Mexico (my apologies for shameless promotion ) I posted it in Latin America forum here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38379-another-trip-report-this-time-from-puerto-vallarta-mexico/

Part 15: More adventures in Boyztown On Tuesday during daytime I decided to go visit the Sanctuary of Truth. Really a beautiful and impressive place. A bit expensive to get in (500 baht entrance fee). But for this you get a guided tour for about 45 minutes / 1hr. For me, the guided tour was a bit too long. With too much and too deep explanation about the philosophy behind the temple. Why are we on earth and in what kind of society do we want to live? After the guided tour you're free to explore the temple on your own and make lots of pictures of the wood carvings. The Sanctuary of truth For dinner I was meeting up with @bkkmfj2648. We ended up in French restaurants Nathan's just outside Jomtien Complex on Thappraya Road. Realy good good, nice atmosphere. They trained their staff very well. It's run by a French expat who is funny (and a bit queeny...). Had a very nice dinner. After dinner we went for drinks in Jomtien. Sitting at @home bar, discussing boys, life in Thailand and other stuff. Was really nice to meet up with somebody from this forum for the first time. The Cambodian guy I offed from @home a day earlier was happy to see me again but I made clear this time I was there just for drinks with my new friend. Off course I tipped him for being our waiter. But no off this time. As I like to butterfly and only occasionally will go with the same boy more than once. The next morning. Sitting on the terrace of O Delices for breakfast. Watching the boys of Soda Massage getting ready for the day. Than @bkkmfj2648 turned up unexpected also to have breakfast. We didn't make appointment, just happend te be there at the same time. So we continued our conversation from the night before while enjoying the good breakfast. And we also decided to meet up again that night for another dinner and round of drinks in Boyztown this time. Few hours in the afternoon spent at the fresh water pool at Agate Hotel. A quick nap and than getting ready for the evening program. Pool at Agate Hotel After walking around Boyztown and neighbouring streets, we decided to go in Dream Boys. I found out why last time I passed this bar, it looked like there were no boys. Because when they don't have customers, all boys are inside sitting on the couches inside, not visible from outside. As soon as we came in, all boys went onto the stage, trying to get our attention. Soon I had a favourite. Number 19. He was smiling at me the whole time. And he has nice body; a littlebit muscled. Just the way I like them... Because they didn't have a show, drinks prices were very reasonable. I paid 150 baht for my Coke. They had about 15 boys, all shirtless but in jeans. Number tag attached to their jeans. Papasan was so friendly to inform us about what boys are "men" and "gay". About 66% of the boys were gay according to papasan. My number 19 was among them. Lucky me. I could have offed number 19 than and there. But the night was still young and we actually wanted to check out the show and boys in Boyz Boyz Boyz too. So decided to go there and maybe come back to Dream Boys later to off number 19. Number 19... When we arrived in Boyz Boyz Boyz the show was in full swing. The B-boys doing their part. Nice to watch again, specially the one who was super ripped. Via papasan we asked if there was any possibility to off this B-boy but the answer of the boy himself when he came to collect the tips was a definite "no can do". When the barboys came on stage it was same af Monday. They were all wearing jeans and shirts, except for two. One of them was the very sexy boy I spotted Monday already without shirt. Sexy body, muscles, nice face, blond bleached hair. Because the papasan we had tonight was much better than the one I had Monday, I was starting to ask for some more information. Papasan would let mr bleached hair come to us so I could feel and touch his muscles. But very soon I found out this guy is straight and only goes home with girls. Than there was a waiter I was interested in. Because he looked very cute and somehow innocent (with glasses and smart watch). Papasan found it funny I liked the waiter instead of one of the boys on stage. He went to this waiter to ask to come over to us. The waiter spoke good English so had a nice small conversation with him. Sometimes he would go with clients. But almost only to go out for drinks. And when more would happen, he was going to be top only. But... He would be willing to suck cock. This seems to be a nice opportunity for me. But than papasan interfered and told me because he is waiter and no regular boy, it would cost me 500 bahf off fee and 3000 baht for the waiter. I found that a high rate for just some sucking. I told the waiter I would be happy to pay 2000 but I couldn't pay 3000, even as he was a very cute guy in my opinion. He didn't accept my offer. So it was back to the original plan. My number 19 from Dream Boys in the meantime had found me on grindr. He was still available. And via chat he confirmed he is gay and can "do everything". So went back to off him: 500 baht for the bar, 2000 for the boy. And quickly we were in a Bolt taxi to Jomtien... After the deed was done, I gave him the agreed 2000 plus and extra 100 for the taxi home.

The drink in M2M did not taste good at all. It was like there almost no coke in my mixdrink and I was drinking pure alcohol with a bad taste. The water only stays in the shower area and does not flood the rest of the bad room floor. So actually it's a good design. Also the shower curtain helps off course. Exactly. It was 2500 ST for a Tawan guy. Plus off course 500 bar fee. That's 500 baht in total more than you pay in a average boybar (Patpong 2). The going rate is 2000 for the boy and 500 for the bar in Bangkok. Prices a bit higher in Tawan, Jupiter and Moonlight. In Pattaya prices can be a bit cheaper, but depending on where you go.

Part 12: Arriving in Pattaya To be clear: I off course mean that they fly from Chiang Mai to U-Tapao Airport (also known as Pattaya Airport, but still about 1hr drive to Jomtien). I arranged Mike Pattaya taxi service to pick me up from the airport (800 baht) and when I arrived his driver was waiting for me with a sign with my name on it. Unfortunately his car did not start. Another driver came to help. They used jumper cables to start the engine and within 10 minutes we were on our way. In Pattaya I always stayed close to Boyztown the precious times and actually never explored Jomtien. Yes, I did take the songtaew to go to the gay beach (Dongtan Beach), but did not go to the Jomtien complex bars before. I decided that needed to change. And because forum members here had good experiences at The Agate, I booked my room there. Like others wrote before; I got a great deal booking directly with the hotel. Only 1000 baht per night without breakfast. Much cheaper than booking it via booking.com or Agoda. Why I skipped the Jomtien complex till now? Probably because Boyztown could give me everything I needed. My taste of boys is more on the masculine / muscular side. And I always read that Jomtien caters more for the lovers of slim/skinny boys. But as I’m open to try new things, and if needed Boyztown is only a short ride away, I’m staying in Jomtien this time. First impression of Agate is very good. Friendly staff at check in and goodlooking room with comfortable bed. Since I'm in Thailand I've also had beds that were a bit on the hard side, but the bed in Agate feels good. While showering I was thinking why is there this little bench in the shower? I could only think about one thing: so that a boy can sit on there while giving you a blowjob in the shower.... Something to try out the next days.... Lol Staying in the middle of the gay area is nice. But it can also be a little annoying when you have to go pass by pushy massageboys at Soda Massage every time you go to the beach, 7-eleven or dinner. Specially when a few of their boys already chatted with you on Grindr and the fact you have shown them "some interest" makes them directly think you want massage today with them... Good that I quickly found a shortcut: via the garage of Agate you reach the main road directly, without having to pass by massage parlours or bars. Can be nice to know if you just want to leave the Jomtien complex without being hassled. Or if you want to bring a boy from Boyztown back to Agate without having to walk with him trough Jomtien complex (I've heard some boys don't like parade trough the complex). Jomtien beach I went for a walk on the beach and noticed how pretty Jomtien beach actually is. With (palm)trees growing ON the beach. Giving it the real tropical atmosphere. Hopefully the weather in the next days will be good so I get the chance to actually lay on the beach an afternoon. Relax, read. After dinner it was time to make a round in Jomtien to get a first impression of the nightlife here. But I will write about that later.

you need seriously start thinking about increasing your alcohol intake and consider fine spirits only as cheap beer tend to lead to depression

Part 10: Last evening in Bangkok (for now...) Yesterday was my last evening in Bangkok. I will go travels around Thailand now for a few week (up north, Pattaya, Phuket...) and will be back on Bangkok on September 23 for 5 more night before I fly home. The evening didn't start well... It was raining hard, the roads flooded. And the hourly forecast didn't look good either. But after about 1hr the rain stopped and it was "safe" to head out to the bars. I had some unfinished business to take care of before leaving Bangkok tomorrow... First of all there is the guy on Grindr who is for days already stalking me. He works in Freshboys. Don't wanna just ignore or block him because I want to be able to go to Freshboys again without "losing face". He looks nice and sweet, not sure if he will be my type in real life. So didn't want to invite him to my room without seeing him in the bar first. But he kept trying. Even on his day off. Decided to go for a drink in Freshboys first and buying the boy a drink too. So at least I've shown him my good heart. Lol Gave him besides a drink an extra 100 baht bill and told him I had to leave to Tawan because I needed to show my friend that place. Which was actually true as I met up with another solo traveler and we agreed to go to Freshboys en Tawan together that night. Because of the rain, the steps at Freshboys was wet and slippery. The guy I was with slipped and felt down, taking me with him in his fall as I was walking in front of him. I had a soft landing, on top of him. He took a harder hit on the concrete stairs. But was also fine. Thank god. He was even laughing saying that cracked his back without having to pay for a massage... But let this be a warning whenever around in rain: stairs can be slippery! We arrived at Tawan around 11pm. The show didn't start yet. When we looked around we found out why: we were the only customers... All the rest (around 20 boys again, same like the day before) were Tawan staff. We had our drinks, talked to the (I suppose) manager and I off course invited 6pack guy (see report part 8 in this post about one day earlier in Tawan) to come and sit with me. "I take care of you tonight?" he asked. Oh yes you can! Understandable, with no other customers in the bar, Tawan decided not to have a show that night. I was entertained by 6pack guy who took my hands and placed them all over his muscles body so I could feel everything... He was placing his own hand on my shorts while feeling what was hidden inside... This is even better than the show. Lol No show this night, only guys doing some posing on stage like in this picture from Tawan twitter account. In the meantime I had some conversation with the guy I was with. He decided to move on to soi 4 to see if, despite the heavy rain earlier, things were happening there. And I took 6pack guy back to Tarntawan. 2500 for the boy, 500 for the bar. More expensive than the average off fee in the boybars. But I wanted to have a Tawan expierence... And it turned out better than expected. One day earlier when I also was in Tawan, 6pack guy already told me "everything" is possible, except that he doesn't want to get fucked. He spoke good English so I had no reason to think things went lost in translation. Possibilities from his side and expectations from mine were clear. He had to leave his id card at reception of the hotel. In my room the muscle worshipping that started in the bar continued. And as promised he kissed, sucked my dick... And even more: he licked my balls and ass. Was very nice to feel his tongue go there... After this all came to a (my) climax, 6pack guy gave me a short mini massage. I felt his strong hands over my body and feet. After 6pack guy left, hotel reception called me to check everything was oke before they gave his id card back. To be honest, I didn't expect much from a Tawan guy. I was thinking maximum you could get was touching his muscles and sucking HIS cock. The expierence I had with 6pack guy was so much better than that...! Let's see what adventures the rest of Thailand will have for me in the next weeks...

Part 9: "Roomservice" Today I had lazy day. And I did what one does when having a lazy day in Bangkok: looking on grindr for a massageboy to come over to your hotel room... My choice of the day was a boy who works at Bangkok Spa in Silom Plaza. Before he had to start working at 3pm, be came to my hotel room to give me a nice massage. I was too lazy to go to the shop. And I like the comfort of my own room over a maybe dirty, old massage room somewhere in a shop. In my own room I know I can have a nice shower after and can just relax on bed instead of having to travel back to my hotel first. He had some very sexy pictures on his profile, showing a nice 6pack. Versatile, so so the after-massage-fun looks guaranteed. I felt for the 6pack... Only a few minutes after the agreed time he was in front of my hotel room door. No problem for him to get into the hotel. Friendly, goodlooking guy indeed. He spoke good English, always nice to be able to have something of a small conversation. He even spoke a few words Dutch as he visited my country (the Netherlands) and has a friend from there. Massage was nice, the after service even better. Good skills on sucking and eager to get fucked. What a nice way to have a lazy afternoon. And the day is still young... Still have the evening adventures ahead.

I used to stay at the Tarntawan on every visit to Bangkok. Then one trip I met a friend from New York who was staying at Pinnacle Lumpini, which had a bit smaller rooms at about half the price. So I started staying there. I think I checked out of Tarntawan the very day I saw my friend's Pinnacle room and checked in there. The breakfasts at Pinnacle were even more interesting than at Tarntawan. I met a real cutie in DJ Station one night. He came back to the hotel with me and we stayed up till about 7 in the morning having some wild, tequila-fueled sex. We got into positions I had never even dreamed about, then he insisted that I cum on his face. After showering we decided to go downstairs for breakfast. Neung wore one of the hotel-supplied bathrobes because why not? There were a few other couples like us who had obviously been up all night long. But most of the tables were occupied by families. At one point, a blonde little boy walks up to Neung to ask him why he was wearing a bathrobe. Neung spoke good English, gave the kid a charming reply and the two kept talking, mostly about the little boy's first trip toThailand but also about why Neung spoke English and stuff like that. What I remember most was the little boy's parents watching the conversation, checking out Neung, looking at me, sizing up the mixed-race, mixed-age gay couple and letting the conversation go on. Both Neung and the little boy were so pleased with their encounter, with the chance to talk to someone from a different world, with the knowledge that that chance encounter could only have taken place at a hotel breakfast buffet in Bangkok. It was wonderful.

I have stayed at the Tarntawan on and off for about 18 years. So I booked two nights there last week and was appalled. Reception was gloomy, dull and almost deserted. All the helpful staff have gone. I was allocated Room 305 at the back of the hotel. It had a “City View”. In other words there was a brick wall 1 metre away which meant there was no light whatsoever! I couldnt even tell if it was raining. Even during the day you needed all the lights on. The TV didn’t work. There were two remotes (god knows why) but you could only watch one channel. The room was tiny. Probably less than 15 sq m. If I was in the market for bringing an “off” back I would have been ashamed. And finally it was 1200 bt a night...without breakfast. Never again...

Part 6: A rainy day keeps the customers and boys away... It was a rainy Sunday evening yesterday. It was already 10:15pm, and I was looking out of the window of my hotel room waiting for the rain to stop. From the 17th floor of Le Méridien I couldn't really tell how hard it actually rained. So I decided just to give it a go. Patpong 2 is just a very short walk from the hotel anyway. Not too wet I arrived in an empty street where some touts under umbrellas offered me a dry place to shelter. I still didn't go to Hotmale yet the last days so without much chitchat in the street with the tout, I directly walked upstairs. There it seemed the rain had kept everybody away. Both the clients and the boys. I counted 6 customers. And 8 boys on stage. But you only need one nice boy to have a great evening, right? Quality over quantity. Drink 400 baht. Boys on stage wearing jeans and some even sleeveless white shirt with Hotmale logo on it. But I don't complain, as I did see some eyecandy on stage. A very friendly papasan started a nice conversation with me. He also told me 5 of the 8 boys were gay and can be fucked. From these 5 there were at least 3 I could take home because they were my cup of tea... One of them was the whole time smiling at me. He had a very cute and nice smile. If you would visit Hotmale when he's there, you would definitely be able to pick him out of the line of boys directly. He's the one with by far the nicest smile and naughty sparkle in his eyes. I directly felt for it and knew straight away he was going to be my off for tonight. But I like to play hard to get a littlebit. So I teased him, smiled back. But also flirted with some other boys. The show started. Papasan told me gonna be short show because quiet night. I could completely understand. It was a bit awkward for the boys to do a few acts for only a few customers. It started with a very original but strange act: a boy in small underwear and virus ball toys (like on the picture below) attached to his custome came on stage and was chased away by a boy in protective clothing and mouth mask. After 3 acts is was already time for theasr part; the big cock show with 3 boys showing their junk. One of them had I think the biggest cock I've ever seen in Thailand. So if that's your thing you now know where to go... I tipped all 3 guys 100 baht. As soon the show was over and all boys came on stage again I invited Mr Cutesmile over for a drink. During the show some more customers came in and I couldn't have somebody else quickly take him before I could make a move. Tere was nowhere a ladyboy/showgirl to be found in Hotmale. Which was nice for a change after the overkill of ladyboys I witnessed the last two days. Let's not speak about the low quality of the acts, but at least for originality they score a 10 because of the covid act... Lol Mr Cutesmile is from Cambodia and was massageboy in Phnom Penh before. Conversation was a bit difficult because his limited knowledge of the English language and me failing to speak Khmer. Paid my bill (including 500 baht off fee) and went with Mr Cutesmile to 7-eleven to buy a drink and baby oil for the massage. No questions asked by the reception staff of Le Méridien, only a very friendle welcome back greet like always. We shower seperate. I can tell Mr Cutesmile is a bit nervous. So I tell him we start with massage and will see. I assure him we don't need to do anything he doesn't want. Because I got the feeling his nervousness was fueled by the papasan telling him I am top and want to fuck him. This boy was cute enough for massage, some touching, enjoying his body and sucking. And that's what happend. I don't always have to fuck. I actually only enjoy it when the boy that I'm with enjoys it too or at least gives me that impression. Massage skills of Mr Cutesmile are oke. Not too hard, not too soft. Perfect for me. When the deed was done we showered together. After another attempt to have a small conversation (via google translate) it was time to send him on his way...

This is one of many proofs that debunk all religious written word. Even if there WERE a god," it" would NEVER, EVER tell a man to write down in some magical book that you must cut off the tip of a boy's dick. It is ludicrous to entertain that thought. Circumcision is brutal, genital mutilation and it should be stopped globally immediately. While I respect the right to book-based faith, I also feel obligated to point out how ridiculous and human-made it is.