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Part 21: Stuck in rainy Bangkok... Yesterday evening just after I left my hotel to go for dinner, it started to rain. Decided to quickly find a dry place to shelter. So I went to Telephone Pub in Soi 4. Here I could have something to eat, drink, watch what happens in the soi and wait for the rain to hopefully stop falling soon. Stuck in Telephone Bar because of the rain But that didn't happen. It rained hard. And for a long time. The streets started to flood. Food thing the terraces of the bars are a bit higher than the street itself. So I ended up being stuck in Telephone bar for a good two hours until it started to rain less and it was oke to try to run in between the raindrops to another place. By that time the rain had killed my mood. So also that night no naughty bar visits for me... Another drink on the terrace and than an early night for me this time. During daytime I like to be out and about, walking around Bangkok with some music or podcast on my headphones. Today I decided to check out the “Green Mile Bangkok”. This elevated walking path connects two of Bangkok’s big parks, Lumpini Park and Benjakitti Park. The latter one recently had a new expansion: the Benjakitti Forest Park. It’s a beautifully designed urban wetland, with skywalks and paths running through and over a manmade nature reserve. It really looks nice. Benjakitti Forest Park The Green Mile itself is a fun place to stroll along and look down to watch daily life pass by. It gives you another look at Bangkok. Not the concrete urban jungle of skyscrapers, but old houses here for decades and more recent shacks in varying states of disrepair, backdropped by the spires of modern Bangkok. The Green Mile While I'm writing this, I am chilling at the rooftop hotel pool. And whatever happens tonight, rain or no rain, I will have to visit the gogo bars! I only have two night left in Bangkok and can't leave without my fair share of naughty bar visits... Lol

Back to the OQ: just as vinapu I live in EUR, also hold a small condo, all paid out of sale of larger aprtmt in a wanted city, since retirement (pension for some, double in my case, and no rent/mortgage) close by to rest of family and adapted to seniors. Have visited Th nearly some 100 times, partly due also to work and once lived there for over 1 yr-thru all the seasons. have also visited through some 30 yrs all TH provinces and rode about the whole of this crumbling museum on rails called SRT. And flown on some 11+ local airlines. Also visited all neighboring countries, best loved remains INDOnesia forever, with Malaysia also nice. Speak-after being re-settled again when returning-reasonable Thai and can read-slowly-basic signs etc. My bahasa is far better. It is due to that 1 yr I´ve long time ago made decision to not settle there -just long time visits in EUR winter=when it is in Th also cool season and best bearable. That was a steady rhythm till covid struck-I returned on 20-3-20, just the day when all the blackouts and isolations started etc. Could not return (well, as vinapu I could have done, but I found the rules too much hassle for it, but have booked last week to go nov. for the max 45 days now allowed). Last yrs I comfortly stayed in BKK and have explored that city till its outer areas. Plan to do that again and now-since some 22 yrs-also dip my toe in the dirty seawaters of Jomtien-just to see if I can stand it and if it offers more as BKK has. I am not a beach type at all (home is about 5 kms away from sea) and PTY for me, as I remember it, had very little to do in normal daytime activities.

The idea that it is valid to prejudge a bar boy based upon where he comes from has to be one of the most absurd, idiotic ideas I have ever seen posted on these boards. You go to a bar, see a boy you like, call him over for a drink, and then discover he comes from Vietnam. And that is supposed to automatically mean one way or another he is going to mistreat you or is at least more likely to mistreat you than boys who come from other countries? I don't know what kind of mind conjured up that one, but I hope those reading this have better sense than to assume such a thing is what to expect. Any bar boy, no matter where he comes from, has the potential to be one of the best experiences you have ever had or the potential to be a nightmare. It has been my experience that how well a bar boy treats you is the likely result of just one thing, and only one thing - how well you are treating him.

Jupiter posted a couple of videos of their boy parade on Twitter today. Including a nautical theme if you're into that sort of thing

Not disputing anything but we must remember that too much praise may be as misleading as too much venom. There are people who tend to look for bad things and bad things only but also those who wear rosy spectacles and listening to them may create problems, specially when comes to security. I recall fairy recent comment, not about Thailand, to a tune "area is absolutely secure, just don, t cross opposite side of street", for me it sounded like " that pizza is excellent, just don, t order it" That, s sore point for me as one of my most long standing friends listened to similar BS against better judgment and was robbed at gun point in Montego Bay 10 minutes after stepping out his hotel. It was only 7 pm.

Part 20: A submissive Ukrainian guy... Had my first day and night back in Bangkok again. And as I planned to hit the gogo bars again as soon as I was back in Bangkok, that didn't happen yet... But I did have some of the best sex I ever had... Off course I went for a quick walk trough Patpong2 during the day to see what's happening with Dreamboy. And yes, also yesterday they were doing some work inside the old Lucky Boys (the floor that is painted in rainbow colours on the outside) and hanging a big new Dreamboy sign. As @zoomomancs reported he did see them working on that sign already on September 16, I wonder how many days do Thai need to put on 1 sign...? 🤔 I wonder why DreamBoy wants to move. Ok, the venue is bigger. But on the ground flow where they are located now, I think is more easy to do your pr and get people in. In the new location you need to persuade people to get up that small stairs first... Did anybody hear anything about new (later) closing times by the way? Because on the sign of Freshboys I did see they have also showtime at 1:10am, while few weeks ago closing time was 1am. Or maybe its just still an old pre-covid sign... By the way I like how their second showtime is not at midnight, but at 0:05am... 🙄⌚ As I said, I didn't get the chance to check this out myself. It was my plan to go to the bars last night. But... I was chatting on Grindr to a very naughty boy from Ukraine. So naughty, I decided I needed to try him instead of going to the bars and get an Asian boy... After the black mb in Phuket, it was now time for a white mb... Haha. Good for the diversity of my conquests during this month in Thailand, besides te many Asian boys. Ukrainian boy was asking 2000 baht short time and up for a lot of things he told me: He was also looking nice: So you understand: I needed to invite him over to my hotel room. We agreed to meet in the hotel lobby as a keycard is needed to get in the elevator in Ibis Styles Silom. He looked exactly like on the pictures. And as soon as we closed the door of my hotel room behind us, he kissed me. Deep, passionate and with very good use of his tongue. Wow. I could feel his already hard cock against my body. As I walked so much earlier that day, my feet were hurting. So he offered me to give a nice foot massage. I'm always up for that. As touching / massaging my feet makes me horny. Well, I was not the only one getting horny from touching my feet. So did he. And soon he was not only massaging then, but also licking them. And that's how I met the submissive side of Ukrainian boy... He liked it when I slapped his face and body with my feet. We went to the shower. A lot of kissing and he sucked me long and deep. He asked me to slap him in his face with my hand and choke him a bit. I didn't do that too hard, but a bit in a playful way. At one point he was laying down on the shower floor, wanting me to put my feet and toes at his mouth so he could lick them again. We continued our escapades on the bed. Again lots of deep sucking, kissing, slapping, spanking and some chocking. He was very much enjoying it (and so did I) and really submissive. The fucking was also great. He riding my cock, and after that he went on all fours so I could really fuck him hard. He insisted that I would cum in his mouth. So just before I had to cum, I took of the condom and shot my load in his mouth. He said it tasted good. 💦 After the sex he stayed a bit. He spoke good English so we could have a nice conversation. When the war in Ukraine broke out, he was on holiday in Turkey. He decided not to go back to his country because as a guy he would be forced to fight in the army and would have no chance to get out of Ukraine anymore. He decided to come to Thailand as it was a place where he could live cheap. He now travels between Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur every now and then (for example when visa runs out). In both places working as mb to earn enough for his living costs and also to support his family in Ukraine. As the only white mb in Bangkok, there is good business for him. Most of his clients are rich Asian men. For them a white mb is a novelty. He is oke with doing this work. As actually he likes making sexual fantasies come true, it turns him on also and he really likes being submissive. So the feeling that I got from him that he was also enjoying out sexual adventures was right. It was not good acting skills from his side, he actually likes it. Besides one of the best sexdates I ever had, it also gave me a good feeling. That somehow I was helping suffering Ukraine also a bit with my "donation" as part of money spent on the mb will go to his family in Ukraine. 🇺🇦 So actually I gave him a nice tip above the agreed 2000 baht. Better than indirectly funding Poetins war by renting a Russian mb, right? oh by the way I don't want to start a political discussion here... please. Well, as you can read above I did indeed already have a lot of fun in the big shower with Ukrainian guy... And indeed it's big enough for four people actually... For who likes a shower party.

Was he crucified afterwards? 😄

I agree 123. 83% with you on first part and I don,t even think is worth starting discussion about that kind of prejudices. As for second my support drops to 91. 87 as unfortunately from time to time we may meet one who may be taking a bit of advantage of our support for them. I, m not talking about requests for money after the convention but we all lilkely experienced those who cut on promised what they do or, my particularly sore point, on time promised. Other case will be to invite them for a meal only to see them pickin up most expensive dishes or going to bar only to see them treating their friends there at our expense without even bothering to ask. This sometimes hurts, to treat them well and still be taken advantage of.

i would have selected the entire post but that seemed excessive, save to say I agree with it all. I am interested in posts that provide positive advice - "this was amazing", "I had a great time here" etc etc, rather than those that are just filled with hate. There is no way one person can provide a definitive answer/ advice on anything. Of course, legitimate criticism on, say, the standard of a hotel breakfast is always useful observation, but comment on the state of how an entire nation is going to behave is just total bollocks. Simple as that really.

I lived in Vietnam a good part of my life; love the country, the people, the food and the culture. I can give you a long list of what I consider to be flaws in Vietnamese boys, but being violent is not one of them.

Slowly but surely we are on way to normal

From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon “Once the pandemic subsided, we were keen to move from Pattaya’s Soi Pothole,” says Dave Collier who set up Canterbury Tales with his energetic wife Yao in 2004. Over the years, the second-hand and exchange bookshop has become the city’s principal literary depository as well as a favorite daytime “table of knowledge” – a mainly British expat corner for drinking tea, socializing and keeping abreast of the local news. But Soi Pothole, officially Soi Chaiyapoon, is an increasingly noisy street with new bars playing loud music reopening as tourism rebounds. Dave and Yao are now open for business in Soi Bongkot (near Soi 6/3) in much larger premises which resemble a library to accommodate tens of thousands of volumes. “It’s about 60 percent non-fiction, but we have a large selection of true crime, biographies, sports, classics and even erotica,” promises Dave as a customer asks if there is a copy of Suetonius’ twelve lives of the Caesars. “Yes, second shelf on the left,” he says. “It’s randy stuff you know.” Many have pondered why Dave has made a success of a used book business in Pattaya where so many other foreigners have failed. “Hard work really.” he says, “From day one I advertised widely, used the internet and made personal contacts.” He adds that, although Pattaya has changed a lot in the last 10 years, the business has grown and grown. “We ship and receive books all over Thailand, using Kerry Express, thus proving there’s a ready market if you know how to satisfy it.” https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/canterbury-tales-a-british-institution-in-pattaya-has-moved-411175

From Thai PBS World BANGKOK, Sept 22 (TNA) – Visitors will not have to undergo antigen tests or show their vaccination evidence when health authorities redefine COVID-19 as a communicable disease under surveillance on Oct 1. Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said the National Communicable Disease Committee resolved to consider COVID-19 as a communicable disease under surveillance instead of a dangerous communicable disease. Officials concerned in all provinces would adjust their action plans and measures related to COVID-19 accordingly, he said. When COVID-19 becomes a communicable disease under surveillance, visitors will not be required to show the documents of their antigen tests or COVID-19 vaccination at international communicable disease checkpoints. Random checks on COVID-19 vaccination records will stop. The people who had COVID-19 but were asymptomatic would only observe distancing, mask wearing, hand washing and testing (DMHT) measures for five days, Mr Anutin said. The new measures would be proposed to the Center for COVID-19 Situation Administration and the cabinet for approval. He expected the measures to take effect on Oct 1. People could remove their face masks when they exercised outdoors or did other activities that should not require face masks, Mr Anutin said.

at 3 AM. It's rather astounding how much is happening at that hour. The city that never sleeps

From Khaosod / Thaiger A man who lost his job in the southern province of Songkhla decided to walk all the way back home to Buriram in northeast Thailand. After 12 days of walking, the 42 year old man stumbled across an army barracks in Phatthalung province, the next province along, on Sunday. The soldiers took care of him and paid for his train ticket back to Isaan. Buriram-born Choi moved to Songkhla about seven months ago to work at a rubber plantation in Na Thawi district. He planned on making money to send home to his family back home in Isaan. At first, he made around 300 baht per day cutting down rubber trees. As the months passed by, Choi said that work became scarce and he was hardly making any money at all. He wasn’t sending money back home as planned and he missed his 11 year old daughter and grandma, so he decided to return home on September 5. However, Choi had no money or phone, so he was forced to undertake the journey – which would take at least 18 hours to drive – on foot. Choi walked 300 kilometres in 12 days, sleeping at temples along the way, where Buddhist monks gave him food and water. In the almost two weeks he spent walking, he only crossed one provincial border. On Sunday, he stumbled across an army barracks in Phatthalung province and stopped to ask for some water. At first, the soldiers thought he was a criminal of some sort and brought him in for questioning. The army told Choi that they would pay for his plane ticket to fly back home to Buriram. However, Choi said he wasn’t sure how to take a plane. Instead, the army gave him 1000 baht cash and dropped him off at the train station. Choi took a 13 hour train all the way from Phatthalung to Hua Lamphong Railway Station in Bangkok. From there, he took an eight hour train from Bangkok to Buriram. Upon arrival in Buriram, Choi’s 81 year old grandma La tied string around his Choi’s wrist as a gesture of gratitude. La said she felt pity that her grandson had walked 300 kilometres across southern Thailand. La thanked the army for helping Choi and wondered how long it would have taken him to get home if he walked the whole journey. The distance between Songkhla and Buriram is 1,350 kilometres.

This online health declaration can be stressful. I had previously read about hassles and glitches getting to successfully completing it, as well as efforts to trouble-shoot. There are third party companies offering to assist for a fee! There are likely more experienced travel ‘paisaxperts’ here that will weigh in. First of all, the timing prior to departure is ambiguous. It is either 1-24 hours prior to touching down in Colombia, or possibly 72 hours (that makes more sense). I opted for completing it 23 hours prior to arrival, but a pop-up emerged suggesting no more than 72 hours prior to arrival. Which is it?! I asked fellow travellers in the Immigration queue in Colombia and nobody seemed to know. One must also need to complete it to depart Colombia. Since the initial form lasts 30 days, I wonder what fun and games will ensue upon trying to use the system again for a new purpose when the system already has me registered for arrival and might not free up a departure application. The airline in Canada emphasized it would absolutely be needed to board. I was late at night struggling with it prior to very early morning call for flight. I completed the form but received no “receipt” of acceptance or proof either within the site or by email. I understand there is no QR code. I will attach what it looks like, from someone posting it in Google images, so I don’t need to spend time redacting mine. I tried again several times but kept getting a prompt indicating I was already registered. Eventually, going back and entering a few dozen times to no avail, a receipt finally emerged a few hours later, within the application, not via email. Crisis averted and I was able to get at least a few hours sleep without worrying about navigating it again on check-in at the airport. Interestingly, it has recently added a VARV screening, also see attached. Good thing I am not prone to hives when frustratingly pulling my hair out meeting mandatory form completion and receipt proof that is elusive owing to system problems. I assume the Immigration officer accessed the declaration when scanning my passport upon arrival.

The Check-mig app and mobile website are nightmares and a case study in shitty User Interface design for small screens. Just trying to "click" on the correct radio buttons on the questionnaire could trigger PTSD. Or worse. I make a point of filling out the form on the website from the comfort of my desktop 48 hours prior to departure and have never had an issue. That way I can print a copy of the completed submission (shown above) and to have a screen of same on my phone as a backup. Ironically on my last trip in May I wasn't asked for my Check-mig but I assume that it was already on the agent's screen and she chose not to request it.

Sometimes thay can pull it shockingly fast. Few years ago old Hero was remodeling to become My Hero. Date of reopening was given and I visited site few days before and what I saw made me sure thay won,t make it but just for fun I went on opening date and it was opened indeed. So by coincidence I was the customer on last day as Hero and on my first as MyHero. Hope be on first day when they reopen after forced covid break, if at all

Lousy excuse not to visit bar just because of stupid few drops of rain, no matter how big those drops are.

Thanks for covering Phuket, sad to hear there's no gogo but still plenty to offer. best of luck for your last two nights!

Excellent report Emiel, good to read your comments and wishing you better weather tonight! The Green Mile definitely looks worth some time.

Can't believe so many are from WA. I recommend you try China.

Yes of course I remember him visiting while we where there. In response to your earlier post about Ray. Yes I knew about Ray. On my last visit w Ray in St Augustine he was not doing very well. I understand he passed within a year after I last saw him. Miss him, he was the first person from the Old Hooboy site I met.

Canada is also ending the vaccination requirement on Oct 1. And people don't have to fill out the pre-entry form if they don't want to. Government still mulling over whether to keep masking on planes and trains.

Also khap khun/thanks from me to keep sprits alive. As I am member of Ibis/all.accor I checked-the chain now has 40+ hotels in Bkk (also Novotel and Mercure and other hi-so brands) all over the city. Prices (even the lower member ones) are not that cheap for TH-many cost more as a same-same now in Europe/night. But the pics show indeed more-nicer, bigger , and what they do not show is the always perfect Thai service. But I´ll keep it in mind when I check my points and see if it is enough to cover.

Yes. It was considered at the time, the standard by which all gay baths were judged by.

Remember Alex Martinez when he came up to St. Augustine......??

Well, it depends how stupid the said employees are. In the US there are a number of jobs that require licenses that are issued by professional boards (Medical, Nursing, Bar, etc.) at the State level. These boards randomly monitor social media profiles of their members and if they see anything suspicious, they will either mark them for personal interview at the time of the license renewal or, depending on the severity, they may suspend their license pending i.e. ethics investigation, or completion of mandatory class, or even rehabilitation. So, if you are performing a surgery in the morning, don’t post your drunk pictures on social media, or better yet, don’t post anything related to Marijuana consumption (edibles, smoking, vaping), albeit legal in that State. Failure of a random drug test will result in employment termination and license suspension, even if you indulged in these substances on your days off.

Hopefully it will lead to a good job offer. Young men who demonstrate those qualities invariably make outstanding employees.

Would that most of us had been so brave. This young man deserves more than just enough cash to replace his mobile phone.

If ever there was a case for US Presidents not having the right to appoint judges, what has been happening over the last few months is surely it. The political and judicial system in the USA is pretty much fucked - as one or both is also in quite a number of other countries. With so many investigations going on against this liar, cheat and con man who follows that awful sleazebag Roy Cohn's playbook almost to the letter totally beats me. Some have been going on for several years. Who is paying whom to keep this idiot out of jail?

Not always. The late extremely unlamented Beachlover who got close to ruining at least two Thai chat rooms never claimed he was a victim nor that he was ignorant of how Boards worked.. He just continued to spew lie after lie after bigger lie and trashing other posters when he made mistakes that identified his lies.

You enter at the cash desk and pay the entrance fee. Then you enter a very large locker room - the cute attendent will issue you a lock, key, and wrist band with your "lucky number" - which is used in the restaurant, pool side service, and with the 2 masseurs who are upstairs. The restaurant has a decent menu of both Western and Thai food. There are many types of smoothies available as well as beer and hard alcohol. There are 2 pools - one for swimming and bathing and the other is lije a giant circular jacuzzi. All alongside the 2 pools are chairs and lounge chairs to relax and watch the sexy guys. Alongside the pool area, slightly elevated is the gym enclosed in a large glass room where you can watch your favorite cutie workout. There was a steam room, sauna, bathrooms, and showers on the opposite side from the gym. Upstairs are the 2 masseurs - and yes extras are available for a fee. This fee needs to be paid directly to the masseur in cash. The standard massage fee is charged to your "lucky number" that was given to you when you entered. Above the massage floor are some cabin rooms for privacy, a dark room, bathrooms, and I saw more stairs that went up to an attic area - I did not venture up there. Then there is the Hotel section of this complex, which was closed off as it will open next month in October. So, action can be had by talking to the guys by the pool or in the gym. Or upstairs in the cabins or dark maze area. Also, you can arrange something with the masseurs - but for payment.

It's open. Left with a handsome boy 2 days ago, and we went to Cafe Blu at Arcadia Beach right next door. Anyone who has contact with the owner should really suggest allowing free entrance to boys under 25. Just add 20 baht for farang if needed.

Always agree what service you want from a boy before you off him whether its through the mammason or the boy, that way you will not be dissapointed, especially kissing as the straight ones will say no once you get home if you don not pre ask, however in order to be offed they will say yes in the bar & mentally they are prepared to follow through, & how many hours you will use there service i always say 2hours max, you will get drama queens who only want to be there for 20 minutes & will whine non stop until you cum. To weed the drama queens out agree the time before you go.

Adams Apple and Circle Pub are the boy bars in town - both open around 9.00 - 9.30 and close at midnight. Last week Adams had 8 boys on stage with 4 presenting shows before circulating amongst the 9 customers to collect tips. Circle has fewer boys with a show starting around 10 .30. Both locations are on Facebook. Some boys can be taken off from each place. Ram Bar in Soi 6 in the night market has a popular cabaret. Also in Soi 6 is Orion Bar which has a few boys who will sit with you to drink and so earn tips. There are many host bars in Chiang Mai including Maya, Route 181, FinFin, Barocco, Maximo, Meeting, Monkey Club, G2K - most are mixed venues that tend to kick off after midnight. The Apps Hornet, Grindr and Blue'd are usually busy. Not sure what massage shops are open - Classic House near Thapae Gate I know is open and is usually popular. Other venues are House of Male and Club One Seven ( sauna , pool) - not been to either so unaware of their status

Hello Emiel1981. I am truly happy that you had a great time with Woody and his partner. They are a wonderful team and a true pleasure to be with. DM me if you want to meet up in Pattaya. I finally made the move for retirement from Europe to Thailand - however, I am in Jomtien. It is not yet a week that I am here - and my life is upside down with all the things that need to be done to settle into my new Thailand retiree life.

I had a chance to visit many Asian countries before pandemic. The purpose of the visit is always touristic but of course as the sun goes down the urge comes to find some sex too :) I usually stay only couple days in the same place, so getting paid sex is a fast and good alternative vs. looking for free opportunities on the apps. Here is my experience mostly from pre-covid times. My favorite places are not where sex is 4pay but where free stuff still comes easy and plenty. Just to understand my experience : I am in my early 50ths, bald head, white, average looking guy whit gym fit body doing excersize about 4 times a week. -Thailand: we all know on this forum that everything is available for pay, but I am not soo lucky with free encounters. The apps bring few Hi, how are you boys but they never really develop into a sexual fun activity and as I said I usually move on quickly to the next place. Indonesia: I have to separate Bali and the rest of the country as my experience was really different due to culture and religion. Bali: became my favorite place during my travel. It was about 10 years ago when first time entered the island. I had the best time getting a handsome driver on the app. He became my daily tour guide, party friend and fuck buddy. Never asked me to pay him, of course fuel, food and drinks were on me. We were doing some crazy fun together including hunting for a 3rd one on Kuta beach in the night or he offered his virgin ass to make it up for me. He dropped me on the aiport on the last day and I never saw him again, lost contact when I left my phone in a taxi next year. I come back to the island many times, locals and plenty gays from other part of Indonesia (freedom and escaping from their family pressure to get married) are all friendly, getting fun nights like a guy invited me to a villa for naked swimming and sex in the pool, or model looking guy wanted me to stay with him because my bald head was making him horny all the time. No wonder the island is on the top of my list. Jakarta (rest of Indonesia): Nothing much touristic in Jakarta but as a huge city, plenty on offer. I never had so many boys contacted me looking for daddy experience. Apps are full of massage boys and escorts but free offers coming easy as well. I just returned from Thailand - Jakarta last month. I could not get a 3some in Thailand (not even for pay, I know you are probably rolling your eyes, ha ha ha) but my two days in Jakarta was enough to get a twink and a bear guy with scary thick dick to come and play with me on the first day, and a handsome police man who was eager to stay all day in my hotel room next day. Hong Kong: no good luck there, small plays in saunas but just like the city with expensive hotels the escorts were coming with the price tag too. Philippines: Manila is a huge city, had some good and bad experience there. Run into the biggest scam after a party night when I was offered 4 hands massage on the streets of Malate's gay bar areas. They took me to a short time hotel and during the massage they offered extras, gladly accepted not knowing one of the boy was in contact with corrupt policemen and taking evidence to blackmail me. To keep the story short I had to collect all my money from my hotel room to pay them. Now the good ones, I have few gay friends in Manila, they introduced me to straight boys hunting on the streets. Certain areas of the city the boys are hanging around in the night and as we walked by the negotiation started. Then I had a chance to choose any boys I wanted. My friends knew short stay cheap hotels and remember it was around 5 usd for the boys and I was told not to pay more to keep the local business running. Probably it was the cheapest sex I ever paid for and I was gladly walking around the streets every night. I visited other parts of the country: Puerto Galeria and Palawan were fun places too. The Saturday night in PG beach was a night to remember, sucked a boy at the end of the beach, shagged with a boy in one of the restaurant toilet, had a lady boy took me to his room and on the way back to my hotel picked up a handsome guy who did not have transportation to go home. Of course, I insisted to sleep next to me, not on the floor and I could not fall in sleep till I made him come. All this action was in one night and it was in the low season. Cambodia: I visited only once and I was more excited about seing Angkor Wat and around the capital but those Khmer guys are so sexsy. Massage was cheap in Siem Riap and met few boys, handsome dark skin, sexy body and facial hair my weak points. No wonder, I tent to pick Cambodian boys in Bangkok Boy Bars. Vietnam: I had a guy was crazy for nipples and keep biting them for days till they become so sensitive that just putting on a Tshirt was a pain, with pleasure of course. But somehow Vietnamese boys are not driving me crazy. Their face is more, how to say: softer. I am missing that manly look I can find in other asian countries. I have few other places could mention but my story getting too long. The bottom line is (to go back to the original post) that different places will give you different experience. While gay4pay is available everywhere I am more happy to visit Indonesia and Cambodia because of the free encounters. Philippines are cheap too but got to be more carefull. ...I learned one thing from my last visit in Bangkok, we are not the same. What works for me, maybe will not work for you. Visit as many places as possible, experience the local cultures and soak in the boys, you will find your place to be happy the most. I was hoping to repeat Vinapu's legendary offs but as I mentioned I even failed to organize one 3some (not giving up, reading all the experience from other forum members will help me to succeed next time lol). Sorry If my story was dragging for too long. First time I actually shared such things and hope it was helpful for forum.

Brazil would be 25% less than in those times now..... I'm going to Bogota next month, I haven't been there in ages. CUN-BOG 195usd r/t, industry rates at Hiltons and a stop on the way back in Panama, Waldorf Astoria 😵 Like Namazu said, airfare depends on where you are originating and carries a bulk of the expense generally.....but travel is fun (or at least it used to be). I don't keep charts, I barely remember where I've been (I'm not Asian, btw)......but my "go to" places are: #1 all around- Brazil= Amazing sex, fun guys, a little danger Avg cost for a guy=$36usd, plus entry fee and drinks if you go to a sauna...online is the same price. #2 Mexico= I live here, brown skin, lot's of fun, generally everyone turns somewhat gay when drinking- depending on what types of guys and what city will vary from free-$75usd...My average, when paying is $25usd. Mexico is a good sized country and lots of different cities to choose from ...Cancun being my least favorite because of the gringo tourism and tourist scams that go along with that. #3Thailand= There is enough info here to know what it's all about Indonesia= Bali, lot's of semi-openly gays- Because of religion, most guys are circumcized - much like Morocco or Egypt or Turkey...different being with an Asian or latin looking guy that is cut....I've been to Jakarta and Bali, is like NYC vs Miami or Mexico City vs Cancun or Bkk vs Pattaya....Jakarta is a big city not much to see but LOTS of people Bali is used to tourism, lots of Aussies go there and the hook ups are on apps or massage shops....average price was $25-30usd Cuba= Use to be lots of hot guys that were into pleasing....not so much anymore, but are diamonds in the rough sometimes- All street cruising and pick up points $20usd is the standard, I've seen some go as low as $5 and some asking $50....things are not good there right now, nothing on the shelves- I was going to go there instead of Colombia/Panama but changed my mind based on the ground reports. I've been all through Central America and no organized or set places/prices to really go by....just like spinning a wheel on the Grindr roulette. Dominican Republic= Haven't been there in ages, but in the Latin America forum there is info- Fares are too crazy from Mexico to there, but if I was on the east coast with cheap fares, I'd go back easily..... Colombia= I've been to several places, but not for awhile....good info in Latin America forum and going rates seem to be $25-40 usd Panama= some BEAUTIFUL guys....gay clubs seem to be underground still , but I've had AMAZING sex there, just finding it is not as easy as the other places listed here...prices seem to be about $50-$75 Those are the places I go to , for this type of stuff. I've been to many other places in the world...but those are the ones I return to....no wonder I don't write trip reports, thoughts run through my head like squirrels.

This reminds me of a post I did describing a way to compare different countries' cost to hire a boy relative to where I live, which is California. The information presented is old, since pricing is dynamic, for boys, airfare, cost of living etc, and the world has changed dramatically since 2018, but maybe I should update this for 2022 prices: It is a metric I came up with called the Monger Index, or a way to compare the cost of hiring in different countries versus the boys you get back home. It’s a metric me and a buddy of mine came up with while super drunk at the Crowne Plaza Bangkok at 3 AM in the morning years ago. He asked me why I get all these prostitutes overseas. With the airfare and hotel rooms, that cost adds up. Wouldn’t it be just cheaper to hire prostitutes back home? I told him he was crazy because (a) the prostitutes are expensive back home and (b) sex is more fun when on vacation anyway. But I disputed his thesis that it is cheaper to hire prostitutes back home. So I came up with an index that measures how much cheaper it is to get hot guys overseas than in the USA, accounting got airfare and lodging costs. This is the Monger index. I apologize for the math. I am Asian after all. Some assumptions: (1) Time Range: The index would not work in measuring one-offs. Of course ONE prostitute would be cheaper in the USA than ONE prostitute in Bangkok. A $250 an hour prostitute you hire for one hour to take home to your USA house is cheaper than a $50 gogo boy you get in a nice gogo bar if you add the $600 roundtrip airfare one needs to get to the sauna, plus the hotel cost. It will only work if you hire by bulk, and have a longer time range. My assumption for this index example is one week, or 7 days. For example, if you get one guy every day in a week in the USA, that adds up to 7*$250 = $1750. Now we are talking bigger dollars. Have sex in bulk when overseas helps you recoup your cost. (2) Airfare: The index should include the airfare. For my purposes here, I use airfare coming from California, because that's where I live. So for example, a typical off-season RT air ticket to Sao Paulo, Brazil is $1000. For Bangkok, it’s $550. This is a fixed cost in the index. (3) Hotel: Of course you have to assume you are getting a hotel in the city you are mongering in. I assume my hotels will be typical AirBNB’s, with basic amenities in a decent and nearby neighborhood. Translation: not a dump but not fancy, and Uberable or walkable to the sauna and tourist-friendly services. For Sao Paulo I assume of the cost, the AirBNB me and the BF got in Bela Vista last December. It was a decent $50 a night. For 7 nights that adds up to $350. For Bangkok, a typical decent Silom Soi 3 AirBNB costs $45 a night. (4) Overnights: I put in the calculation the cost it takes for hiring a guy overnight. For California, a typical overnight with a hot but not “superstar porn star” hot is $1000. For Sao Paulo, Jonas’ example was 200 reals, but I count his initial 200 reals in the sauna as part of the overnight, so 200+200 = 400 reals, or $104. For Bangkok, its a bit tricky, but I assumed a high-end 3000 baht overnight, or $91. I pay that because of all the sexual acrobatics I require all my boys. It is only fair. So here are the gross calcs. For 7 days, if I hired a boy for one hour and another boy for overnight every day: California Prostitute: Price for one hour times 7 + Price for an overnight times 7 = $250*7 + $1000*7 = $8750 Bangkok GoGo Boy: Airfare + 7 nights in AirBNB + Price for a garoto in the sauna times 7 + Price for a garoto overnight times 7 = $550 + $315 + $52*7 + $91*7 = $1866 Sao Paulo Garoto (Jonas): Airfare + 7 nights in AirBNB + Price for a garoto in the sauna times 7 + Price for a garoto overnight times 7 = $1000 + $350 + $52*7 + $104*7 = $2442 The index is calculated as the ratio of the 7-day cost of USA boys, divided by the total cost in that country. 7-day Monger Index for Sao Paulo = $8750/$2442 = 3.58 7-day Monger Index for Bangkok = $8750/$1866 = 4.70 Issues: (1) I do not count the Uber cost to get to the sauna or gogo bar, or the entrance fee for the sauna, or the cabina price, or the off fee, or the drink costs in a bar. (2) I do not account for food costs. Of course you have to eat whether in the USA or Brazil or Thailand. This may be a future improvement to be added. (3) The airfare is just from California, maybe it’s more or less where you are. Maybe my assumption of $550 for Bangkok is too much or too little. This is just what I see anecdotally. So, with that, here are my Monger Indices for some 6 cities I’ve been to, ranked by the best to worst: 1. Pattaya, Thailand: 5.54 2. Bangkok, Thailand: 4.70 3. Mexico City, Mexico: 4.53 4. Bogota, Colombia: 3.77 5. Sao Paulo, Brazil: 3.58 6. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: 3.44 These are solely based on my experience. Your Monger Index may be different. Some observations: (1) Thailand remains the most bang for your buck, because of the presence of cheap decent places to stay in and low cost to fly there from California. (2) Mexico is helped by the fact that it’s so close to California, therefore the airfare is cheap. (3) Brazil on the other hand, is dinged by how expensive the airfares are from California. (4) If I factor in food, Thailand may even get a higher index, and Brazil may get a lower index. (5) Grindr prices were only used in Bogota and Mexico, because I do not have experiences getting anyone there outside of Grindr. So your mileage may vary. (6) Quality of boys is impossible to measure. And it is subjective, so it can’t be put in the index. The index is solely a quantitative metric. For example, twinks may be better in Thailand. Adonises may be better in Brazil. Again, quality is subjective, and can’t be measured meaningfully. Of course, in the end, your mileage may vary, and these indices are only meaningful to me. If you don’t like having sex with Asians, your Monger Index for Thailand is -1000000, for example. link: